They mean 16 “years”, don’t they?
Don’t they???
Get me the little bastards’ names. I’ll see to it they get published, Youth “Criminal Justice” Act be damned.
They mean 16 “years”, don’t they?
Don’t they???
Get me the little bastards’ names. I’ll see to it they get published, Youth “Criminal Justice” Act be damned.
Girl, the older one got 24 months!
Was at the range last weekend – they have a province-wide petition to abolish HST going. Abolishing YCJA sounds like a more noble cause than that. What would it take to repeal YCJA? A torture-murder? A mass murder? If it saves one life, you know… Ah, does not work THAT WAY, only if it’s a duck hunter’s gun.
Nothing a good old fashion healing circle won’t fix,cue the Whooping Goldberg quote.
c’mon, it’s not like it was rape-rape, they only Polanskied her…
I wish I could call this “unbelievable”, but it is pretty much par for the course.
victim impact statements? Every judge should begin sentencing symbollically by calling the victim “my daughter”, “my family”, etc. The maybe the “JUDGE” and lawyers will get ‘it’. what has a victim impact statement ever done but just fool the victim or their family into thinking that their sufering and view matters to the justice system? If it was the Judges daughter who was raped would the sentence be the same? Would plea bargains happen all of the time with crown prosecutors? It’s all such a sewer and it has to be changed.
it will be appealed to a healing circle.
this kind of stuff is too harsh on our Native soldiers.
“Nothing a good old fashion healing circle won’t fix”
Old fashion meaning approximately 20 years old. I believe true traditional justice would have consisted of a severed carotid artery with an obsidian knife.
Kind of makes the argument for a judiciary that’s elected, doesn’t it? Imagine, if this “judge” ran for re-election, how his opponents would destroy him/her for this judgement?
~~favill~~
Lets not forget Pre-Trial time served!
Liberal Justice Inaction, Hug a thug or a Liberal Senator.
Three things one can count on in life:death,taxes and a two tier justice system.
As Whoopi might say, how do you know it was “rape rape”?
self defence is a criminal offense—taking the law into your own hands.
Dial 911—dial a prayer—
Actually traditionally among the FNs this matter would have resulted in war….attacking a member of another community….an event only avoided by surrendering the offender to the offended group to IT’s tender mercy’s….not pretty…I approve that….
If Kate did publish their names she’d probably get a stiffer sentence than they got.
Not surprised.
White collar crime has the most severest of sentences – that’s what’s important here – money.
Best to realize it’s a different world today and be way more prepared for this and more aware of your surroundings when it comes to personal safety in Canada anymore.
Sad that the boyfriend wasn’t able to kick their asses down right there. Good he got the police and wasn’t injured to the point that he couldn’t do that.
Just another reason why I favour Capital Punishment. Both of them.
I’d also give the boyfriend a pretty severe ass-kickin’
…a ‘street soldier’ with the Native Syndicate.
Yes we would like to know which ‘disciplined soldiers’ practice rape, pillage and plunder as a method to secure “Peace, Order and Good Government” among the “Native Syndicate”.
Meanwhile, are we to assume that “To him foreplay is kill husband, burn house”.
Cheers
Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
> I’d also give the boyfriend a pretty severe ass-kickin’
You should have sent both boy and girl to karate and aikido clubs at young age instead. Lamenting how he failed her now is stupid and cruel.
I teach self defense, I know how EASY it is to hurt an assailant to make them cry of pain like a sissy.
All it takes is systematic training, that’s it. How many parents actually think about possibility of their kids having to defend themselves and the loved ones so seriously, that they send kids training in martial arts for real? Not many. Many more prefer to piss away those $100 a month on booze and cigs.
So now that they’ve been given a slap on the wrist, what will happen the next time they do this? Sexual predators (I use this word deliberately) have a taste for what they do. Sending such people to prison for a mere few months isn’t going to fix things.
Publish their names and faces.
16 months of good food and bad dope.
I recommend N. Korean justice. 15 lashes when most people don’t survive 12!
Aaron you are right but you also need the will to inflict horrendous damage and extreme pain knowing you will be the one in the court and you ‘know better’.
Heaven help them if anyone tried that to my daughter. I’m thinking a punishment involving a rope and a woodchipper might be in order.
Then we should be starting a “Self-Defense is a Human Right” campaigns, especially in the faces of those prosecutors and judges who would treat the average citizen more harshly than the criminal in that case.
And start an ongoing defense fund to hire legal pit bulls to fight those cases where it can be clearly established.
Don’t know what to think of your reply, Speedy.
For me the turning point was a beating I received in the street. That was Rubicon crossed, there was no turning back: since then assailant has no rights, no personality, only the vitals.
The most important part of training is training of spirit. The criminals have self-preservation instinct that helps them identify their prey. They avoid individuals capable of harming them like plague.
99% of the time trained persons don’t have to fight.
No lamentations Aaron. Just stating the opinion that there was only one victim here and she was let down by society, her boyfriend and the justice system, in that order.
better yet: let victims and family’s hire lawyers that match their ideology for punishment instead of letting whomever’s next in line in the crown’s rotation represent them incompetently on behalf of the dysfunctional and rehab-the-criminal-centric system.
> there was only one victim here and she was let down by society, her boyfriend and the justice system, in that order.
She was let down by her parents in the 1st place.
Publish their names in violation of the Criminal Code of Canada and your site would be out of business so fast, as well as you being criminally charged.
Any mention of this on CBC or CTV? A significant number of Canadians will will still vote Liberal, NDP or Bloc. Without unspun information, they deserve the legal industry they’ve got. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer this injustice as well. Looks like some more than others… How long before attrition puts conservatives in the majority of our senate?
I’m guessing more than their names are being protected here.
Must be “rape rape” not real rape.
Publishing their names serves no purpose. They’re no bodies to civilized people. Publishing their names might give them more ‘street cred’ with their other low life peers. Now branding their foreheads if they make it back from a couple years on an ice flow might inform people of what type of animal they are. ChrisinMB’s obsidian knife idea has merit too.
Seeing as many criminals only serve 1/2 the imposed semtence, I wonder if 16 months is about double what is actually served.
Canada’s #1 enemy….its justice & parole system.
> there was only one victim here and she was let down by society, her boyfriend and the justice system, in that order.
She was let down by her parents in the 1st place.
I understand your point Aaron, I just don’t feel that the girls parents are as culpable as the three I listed.
I do agree that people should be prepared to defend themselves and their loved ones. I guess I could have initially said:
“Just another reason I support concealed carry.”
This is not a justice system, it’s a criminal enabling system.
AND a great place for a job/support for life, on either either side of those temporary jail bars.
Not surprised. White collar crime has the most severest of sentences – that’s what’s important here – money.
Posted by: ldd at October 16, 2009 2:19 PM
I don’t know ldd, them Wall Street Boys got off pretty easy.
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Many more prefer to piss away those $100 a month on booze and cigs.
Posted by: Aaron at October 16, 2009 2:36 PM
Aaron ? Can you please point me in the right direction where I can smoke and drink for a $100 a month ?
> I just don’t feel that the girls parents are as culpable as the three I listed.
This is the definition of the problem with Canadian society.
> Can you please point me in the right direction where I can smoke and drink for a $100 a month ?
No, I can’t. You would need a supplement, and being able to quickly size your comprehension skills, I can estimate that you will need to rob a few old ladies a month for that.
This is not a justice system, it’s a criminal enabling system.
AND a great place for a job/support for life, on either either side of those temporary jail bars.
16 Months! Why, I hope that includes no TV privileges as well (sarc off). That’ll fix em.
If you moved the hosting to a US based server, could you publish without fear of the Canadian Justice system?
Ratt at October 16, 2009 3:36 PM
Agreed their ‘white collar’ sentence fit their crimes, but that was in the USA not here. Here, I still contend that white collar crimes, ie insurance fraud get stiffer sentences than say for someone ( esp visible minorities ) who do serious violent crime that affects their victims/families just as negatively and does just as much damage.
robp:
As I am particularly interested in repealing YCJA’s privacy provisions, I though about that. Probably not, as it is unpredictable to what extent RCMP will go to investigating a violation of CCC/YCJA by an ‘American’. It may come to bite the publisher in the rear.
But there is cheap hosting in the countries Canada has no extradition treaty with.
> I just don’t feel that the girls parents are as culpable as the three I listed.
This is the definition of the problem with Canadian society.
The problem with Canadian society is that we’re more concerned about a criminal than decent people.
If you hurt or kill a criminal while defending your person or property you’re just as likely to get arrested as they are.
Aaron, I think we’re basically on the same page, but arguing over minutiae.
Here’s my favourite arguement on crap like this:
1. A jail on Han Island where the guards wear white fur coats.
2. When one of these precious folks are parolled they become the responsibility of the individual parole board members and get to stay with one of them.
I wonder what ever happened to common sense in this country (or the one next door for that matter).
This incident screams for elected judges and the the right to carry concealed firearms.
Smith said the teen being sentenced on Wednesday has not showed remorse for the crime, and is only bothered that his co-accused broke a gang code by co-operating with police.
Is THAT worth anything when sentencing someone? Or, it maybe it was considered and he didn’t get a 3 month sentence. Sweet.
Hollywoods trickle down morality and the liberal sense of justice.The CBC and the toronto party would definately approve that two out of three lives are salvagable.
“I teach self defense, I know how EASY it is to hurt an assailant to make them cry of pain like a sissy.”
Then I suppose you also must know how difficult it is to defend against knives, which is what these thugs were armed with.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure we’re basically on the same page here. I would submit though that concealed carry is always a better option than martial arts, although sadly it isn’t an option in Canada. But I digress, a 120 pound woman, no matter how well trained, is gonna have little chance against a 250 pound thug. The same woman trained with a pistol is an equal to any opponent.
All of that said, lets not get distracted from whats at issue here. Saying they should have been prepared and that their parents failed them is beginning to miss the mark, and edging towards the idea that the thugs weren’t 100% responsible.
How is it that if you touch a woman without her consent it is regarded as assault with severe penaltys attached but if you rape her its a minor offence subject to 16 months with double time for already served,manditory parole,and no limitations on being near the person raped when released.Shouldnt there be a civil action here someplace? Wheres Tony when we need him?
“You should have sent both boy and girl to karate and aikido clubs at young age instead.”
I’m a firm believer in training kids to fight but…everyone shouldn’t have to learn how to fight to protect themselves against thugs. It’s the thugs who need to be stopped.
And Junker is right, it is difficult to defend against knives no matter how good you are. I did some training in knife fighting and I’ve also been in a few knife fights. Things don’t fall together in real life like they do in the dojo’s.