Kathy Shaidle has a point;
“I too have to object to the use of the word “cracker”.
Unlike Protestants, Catholics believe that the communion Host is the actual Body of Christ. We’re touchy about people pocketing the Host because believe it or not, there are weird people into Santeria and stuff who use them in pagan rituals.
Also, er, it’s Jesus.”
It’s just not a very good one.
(Peace Be Upon Him.)
Kathy (not Shaidle: As an Evangelical Christian who likewise believes that we consume the Body of Christ and drink the Blood of Christ during communion my point remains. TURN THE OTHER CHEEK!
Or at least pray as Jesus did while being nailed to the Cross, “Father forgive them for they do not know what they are doing”.
Its not the unbeliever’s job to live up to our standards or beliefs, its our job to bring them into the discipleship of Jesus. We won’t do that by running around telling everyone how offended we are by their actions or beliefs.
Back on topic: It should be noted that I have asked many non-bloggers what they have heard about this situation. ALL heard that PMSH pocketed the host, NONE heard his press conference when he defended himself and dissed the lazy, low-life media.(I beleive you can still find it on CTV.ca)
Point..the MSM have once again proved their laziness and bias and Harper-hating agenda. They are fools.
This really wasn’t about faith and religion was it?
Any real or imagined insult to Islam sets off such an over reaction that it’s almost an act of charity to help desensitize Muslims with deliberate insults. Insulting and offending your Roman Catholic friends and allies is just rude and it serves no purpose.
“Just as I reject the demands of Muslims that I observe their religious laws, I do not recognize demands by Catholics that I conform to Catholic terminology that suggests I believe that a biscuit, wafer, or cracker is the “body of Christ”.
I don’t”.
That is what Kate wrote. Call the host whatever you want to call it. What we Catholics say it is in our Church IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! We don’t really care what you call it. That is your perogative but no one is “demanding that you conform to Catholic terminology” on what it is.
What I am saying is what Catholics say it is is none of your business. You are not a member so it is none of your business. Can it be any clearer than that? Your writing to say that you don’t agree with this or don’t believe that is totally and completely irrelevant. Capeesh?
this thread surely confirms my belief that AGW believers and religious folk have a lot in common, wheather they admit it or not!!!!
BTW; Hi lookout, good to see you back in full contibution mode:-)))) I may not agree with your POV, but do enjoy your delivery of it
AND
ET is significant in her absense:-))))
No, she has an excellent point. People are free to be offended. If she isn’t murdering people or committing arson or suchlike, why, she should object as loudly as she likes: it isn’t only her right, it is her duty.
I won’t give a crap, but she surely should.
> What I am saying is what Catholics
> say it is is none of your business.
> You are not a member so it is none
> of your business. Can it be any
> clearer than that?
Bob, for crying out loud, I’ve got a seven year old daughter who runs circles around you at reading comprehension.
Re-read Kate’s words and you’ll see that she said she doesn’t care what you call the host/cracker/Christ-crunchies in your church. That’s YOUR business. However, not being Catholic, she refuses to allow you to dictate to her what terminology she uses to describe an item outside of your place of worship.
Which is emminently sensible.
Just a rough sum-up of pro and con Kate: Pro 37,
Con 17, somewhere in between, or don’t know or don’t want to offend anyone, about 10.
Personally, I like those odds, besides the Pro have WallyJ to contend with.
Okay Sean, let’s make sure we’re clear. You have no right to offense at my referring to your slutty b*t#c wh%r$ cu%t mother in rude terms, right? It says nothing about me, and everything about your self-righteous intolerance. Got it. And don’t you dare try to dictate to me, this is America!!
Sean – you are the one with the reading comprehension deficit. Get some tutoring then re-read what I wrote. Its quite clear.
So – once more just for you Sean “What we say it is IN OUR CHURCH is none of your business”. Blabber all you want about what you might believe but to Catholics what you believe or don’t believe is irrelevant. Now if you are having a problem understanding what I have just written consult a good english teacher to shed some light for you. Or better yet have your seven year old daughter explain it to you.
“Now daddy, what Bob is saying here is…….”
Kathy (not the interesting one): You can call my mother whatever you want and I’d support your right to do so. Furthermore, I wouldn’t take offense — saying things like that hurts you more than me, so have at ‘er.
Oh, and speaking of not being dictated to, you may want to stop worrying about what Kate called your crackers and start paying attention to the Broadcaster Freedom Act kerfuffle in your own country. You’re fussing over the mole hill whilst ignoring the mountain.
Bob: If you want to call it the Host in your church, good for you. If I was a guest in your church (which is damned unlikely — I’d probably burst into flame), I’d show respect for your beliefs, call the Host by its proper name, and politely defer if the priest mistakenly offered it to me as I’m aware that non-Catholics are not supposed to partake. Outside of your church, I’m calling a spade a spade and a cracker a cracker, even if it tastes more like recycled asbestos.
Which was Kate’s point, btw.
It’s not intolerance if I don’t share your beliefs or find certain aspects of them ludicrous. It only becomes intolerance if I actively try to block you from holding your beliefs or practicing them at church or in your daily lives, which is not the case here. I’m perfectly comfortable with having Catholic neighbors in my community, and feel they make it a better place as a whole.
You’re going to have a hard time accusing me of anti-Catholic bigotry given that I’ve written numerous letters and e-mails in support of Fr. Alphonse de Valk, protesting his treatment by HRCs. I’ve walked the walk when it comes to supporting the right of those I disagree with to speak their piece. It’s a shame that you refuse to extend the same courtesy to Kate and others.
Anyhow, I’m done with this thread. Talking to you is like talking to a dial tone, and only half as productive. Enjoy bashing each others brains in over the finer points of cracker consumption.
“It’s not intolerance if I don’t share your beliefs or find certain aspects of them ludicrous.”
Well put Sean. When people refer to tolerance nowadays they usually mean acceptance.
Now you’re getting delusional on me Sean. Where in my postings on this subject did I write anything accusing anyone of intolerance or anti-Catholic bigotry?
Time to go over this material again with your seven year old, Sean.
Kate vs. Kathy?
The winner: Paul.
1 Corinthians 11: 27-29
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%2011:27-29;&version=31;
Sean, I know you’re probably not here, but to close the circle – why are you so angry? Yes, you are, it’s all over your response. I only stated something that was unnecessary, untrue, inconsiderate, inappropriate if consideration for others and manners are at all important, and intended to sting while I claim that if it stings it’s because you’re trying to dictate my thoughts and censor my words and you resent it because you can’t. We’re just as bad as the lefties, you know. Like us pro-lifers who KNOW that if we could just get the message across, abortion would stop. They already know. That’s what all the cricket chirping is about. They know all the bloody truth and they just don’t care. And you already know “cracker” is a slap in the face, but you just don’t care. I wonder why that is.
I’m back! This thread is like a good car wreck that you just can’t stop rubbernecking at.
Bob: Go back and tell me exactly where I proscribed what you can and can’t say in your own church. If you can prove that I’ve attempted stifle your speech I’ll proudly wear the delusion label.
Kathy (not the libertarian one): Please point out where I’m censoring you?
I haven’t told you what you can or can’t call the wafer in question. Call it whatever you want. Believe whatever you want about it. All I’ve denied you is the ability to force me to use the terms you’ve prescribed for said wafer in the course of my every day conversation.
So it bothers you for me to call it a Christ Crispy, a Believer Biscuit, or a Catholic Cracker?
Not my problem.
Just like it’s not my problem if it upsets some devout muslims that my daughter wears a bikini swim suit at swimming lessons. Just like it’s not my problem that the Mormon sitting two seats over from me at a restaurant is annoyed by the smell of my cup of coffee. Just like it’s not my problem that some of the local Hutterites are bothered when my wife doesn’t wear their traditional black clothing, ugly black shoes, and won’t take any crap from other males. Ad infinitum.
You’re entitled to your beliefs, and to practice them as best you can in your life. You’re just not entitled to force me to behave according to your beliefs, particularly ones that I don’t share.
It’s not that I’m angry — amused is more the word — I’m simply refusing to let you tell me how to live my life. There’s even a Kathy Shaidle t-shirt to that effect, although I’m guessing it doesn’t apply to crackers.