And they said the days of the White House using secret CIA information to expose their political enemies to danger were over…
Rice approved CIA waterboarding.
I wonder how many Islamic terrorists man-caused disaster facilitators are fixing cross-hairs on private citizen Condoleezza Rice today?
(Of course, it was Richard Armitage who “outed” Valerie Plame, a fact that quickly resulted in a complete media disinterest in further coverage of the “scandal”.)
John:
Nancy Pelosi voted in favour of enhanced interrogation in 2002.
Details are on drudgereport.com.
Step away for a while and try to use some facts to back your arguments.
john – these are all your opinions. Without any validity other than your emotional commitment to them.
You cannot assert with any validity that ‘harsh interrogation’ doesn’t yield information. And no, I don’t consider waterboarding, sleep deprivation or light/noise etc – to be torture. The Al Qaeda tactics, of blowtorching, eye removal, drilling hands, severing limbs and fingers etc – those are torture.
I can, you see, distinguish between torture and harsh interrogation tactics – the latter with no blood drawn, with doctors standing by, with no permanent physical damage. There’s quite a difference between that – and torture. The fact that you can’t differentiate – that’s your problem.
Nor can you assert with any validity that Cheney is lying. Nor that those particular interrogations yielded no useful information and didn’t prevent attacks. They say that they did; you, I feel, are obliged to prove them wrong in order to continue to assert your really quite adamant claims.
Your failure, again, is the refusal to protect people against jihadism. That’s an ethical and legal failure. How would you accomplish such a task?
You are, yet again, making a false analogy. To try to claim that WWII was a far greater threat than a few jihadist is sheer nonsense. Both are vicious and equal threats – and to ignore that modern technology can enable two men with timers and miniscule bombs or ten men with kitchen knives in a plane to do what it would have taken a platoon and tanks to do a generation ago is invalid.
You cannot compare a terrorist style of attack, which is against civilians, with a declared war between nations, carried out by their military.
And don’t call me ‘dude’.
Condi approved of water boarding! SO what?
This would ONLY matter to a person with brains like room temperature Limburgher…….
Posted by: ET at April 23, 2009 8:59 PM
I was about to reply to John’s nonsense, but you’re pretty much said it all. Well done.
MoveOn wants O, a Democrat, to become the redux Joe McCarthy who was a Republican.
MoveOn wants a McCarthy-style witch hunt.
Joe flushed down the traitorous commies; O would flush down the loyal Republicans.
Imagine: Obamaism vs McCarthyism.
Joe must be laughing his head off.
LOL.
Suggestion for O: Ted the Kennedy is available to play Joe and The Rev. Sharpton would be a perfect counsel; bi-racial, you know.
O say, “I”ll ask Michelle about this. Get back to you.
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*”MoveOn.org, the powerful social advocacy group, has launched a television ad campaign demanding that Attorney-General Eric Holder appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bush administration. “So far there’s been no accountability for the architects of Bush’s torture program,” the group says on its website. “We need a full investigation and real consequences for those responsible – it’s the only way to keep this from happening again.””
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Ibbitson at Globe& Mail:
*”Torture furor threatens to derail Obama agenda
Left and right each stake out positions, assail President”
Ibbitson also says:
“Perhaps the people who authorized the program should be held accountable, even if that means charging former president George W. Bush and vice-president Dick Cheney.”
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Rundown on the ‘ethics’ of ‘set me free’:
1. The barbarians didn’t sign the Geneva Convention – hey, that means we don’t have to adhere to it, either! We can act like Nazis! Yay!
3. We’re better than the barbarians because we don’t behead them. We only torture them using the exact same techniques the Nazis used! Yay!
4. Beheading is barbaric. But torture isn’t. Us and the Nazis aren’t barbaric. Yay!
Cool moral relativism, set you free.
Achtung.
bleet:
Why didn’t Nancy Pelosi object?
Bleet ..demonstrating a limburgher brain in action.
PS ….. I’ve seen party games that were more intense than waterboarding……care to try?
Setyou free: always seeing things thru the partisan blinders, huh? And here I thought we were talking about morality & your moral relativism.
OMMAG – it’s called waterboarding – not the ‘golden showers’ with which you’re familiar.
According to the lefties – who have alligned themselves with the jihadis – anything that makes the terrorists uncomfortable is torture. This would include panties on the head or the offering of a ham sandwich. Waterboarding is not torture.
From the way they talk, Obama and his bots would have preferred thousands more Americans were killed in L.A.
Obama is setting America up for more attacks. He is practically inviting attacks on Israel and the U.S.
I get the impression he is doing this to gain street cred with the bloody leftie dictators he’s been sucking up to. They have already called him weak and ignorant. We all know its all about Obama – not about keeping the country safe like Bush and Cheney did.
When Obama bowed to the Saudi King and the WH denied it, I think the right take was expressed on The Peoples Cube. He wasn’t bowing down the WH said, he had to reach down to shake the Kings hand because his arms are twice as long as human arms.
bleet:
If Nancy Pelosi voted in favour of enhanced interrogation, who are you to question she who represented the Democratic Party at the 2002 hearings?
Obama’s administration is about to drop this non-issue like a hot potato … whether you like it or not.
A bit of unsolicited advice. Make sure you check your facts before coming on here and sounding like a buffoon.
set you free
Whether Obama drops it or not, or Pelosi did this or that, my issue was whether you and your pals here support Nazi-like torture techniques.
And you do. So much for the great western civilization you’re all so big on defending.
So long, barbarian.
John wrote:
Torture doesn’t yield useful information. And it serves to boost support for terrorist organizations because the millions of people who might be moderates see a nation like the US give itself over to using tactics that are usually the sole domain of dictators.
HAW HAW HEE HEE HAW HAW HEE HEE HAW HAW HEE HEE
Really???? That’s because you are not doing it right.
It’s been a while but I am sure I can make you devulge anything and be reasonably sure as to it’s autheticity…just with a field telephone……..
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sarge here while sarge is pretty sure that old herman goering probably said hee hee and even tee hee while squeezing the life out of cute little puppies sarge has a hard time thinkin old sasquatch ia anything but a bald pale and squishy computer commando sarge thinks the possibility of such a reject havin 1st hand experience with hookin a field telphone to someones yarbles in any context outside a ritzy brit sex club is remote har har har har
I see the trolls are trolling again. Without feeding any particular troll, let me just say you’re a pack of liars and imbeciles, and worse yet you are being USED like a fricking kleenex by some really crooked people.
Nancy Pelosi was briefed in and knew ALL about it ‘waaaaaaay back in 2002. She was there, she said -NOTHING-. Indeed, according to the article she continued to say nothing for several years. Until the Abu Grahib prison scandal gave her a chance to play pile on the rabbit, THEN she was all over it.
There’s a word for that. Several words actually, but Kate’s doodoo filter won’t accept most of them. Lying sack of baboon excrement comes close.
There is nothing this woman won’t say or do in her pursuit of power my troll-y friends. If you care a damn about your own personal freedom and security Nancy Pelosi, Barrack Obama, Harry Reid and their whole flea circus of blood sucking Democrat vermin should scare you white.
Rice and the other architects of the illegal war
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WOW it was. Funny I sure remember many dems voting for it.
We need a higher class of trolls around here.
The ones we have are too stupid to acknowledge the existence of.
“The ones we have are too stupid to acknowledge the existence of.”
This has been another episode of Classics of Unintended Irony.
This is in response to John’s comments: the Nazis didn’t torture their POWs as cruelly:
I had (he’s dead now) an uncle who was a POW in a Nazi stalag — they broke his legs, they broke every bone in his hands (the man ended up not able to walk or write his own name as he got older due to his injuries), he was beaten with clubs, he was starved (to the point even some of the Russian prisoners took pity on him, and probably saved his life by giving him some of their meager rations — and the Nazis didn’t treat Russian prisoners so well); all sorts of hardship. And why did they do it? Not to extract information — he was a lowly private, so they must have known he didn’t have much to offer them; no, because my uncle had a very German last name, a looked the very part of a perfect German…but refused to renounce America.
I doubt he would have seen much similarity there; I know I don’t.
And Andrew Sullivan? The man who made it a mission to “get to the truth” of who was the real mother of Trig Palin? That’s where you get your info from?
And I completely agree with ET’s response to you, John.
Americans are worse than Nazis? Fine, you are entitled to your opinion. I’m entitled to mine as well, and somehow I think subjecting somebody to catepillars, Barney the Dinosaur singing, and water on their head doesn’t seem quite so much torture as subjecting a perfectly innocent, unknowing civilian to the agony of deciding whether or not they should jump or be roasted alive. And somehow I never seem to hear the likes of you screaming bloody murder about other countries and their interrogation practices — somehow I think the catepillars wouldn’t be quite so bad as watching someone chop your child’s fingers off, but that’s just my opinion.