145 Replies to “Influential Muslim Beheads Wife In Rijadh”
failed at his job, thats so funny i laughed my head off
Apparently influencial Muslims don’t observe Valentines Day in the same way as infidels.
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
As I mentioned when posting this in an earlier thread, his action may create a bit of a setback to his cause.
I wonder if they were acting out a potential script for Little Mosque On The Prairie.
Was his job to create a better view of muslims or a more realistic view?
“Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.”
Just another moderate Muslim.
Meanwhile, a British Home Office “official” spokesman had this to say on the barring of Geert Wilders from England:
“The government opposes extremism in all its forms. It will stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.”
Ho! ho! What a jolly mixup!
Come on, this was simply a domestic disturbance, could’ve happened easily in any ethnic group…
When we refer to Muslims, we should remember that the women of this faith aren’t necessarily meant to be included in the discussion.
It’s just their way.
As the womens groups have no problem with it, why should we?
What was his tv station motto, “reach out and kill someone,”. At least it was only a muslim female, and they are non persons according to the feminist movement, and islam. The muslim community will be able to forgive him, and the feminist movement will chalk it up to a quaint acceptable muslim tradition.
I agree with Kyla. What’s the big deal? This kind of thing happens all the time in Canada, and has been accepted for generations. We have not heard what the motive was yet, but of course it was justified. Perhaps she went outdoors without a scarf, or talked to a strange man, or came home 10 minutes late. we all know that’s a death sentence for any woman. Gee, people today, complain about everything.
Actually she was filing for divorce for some reason, I mean hey come on what would you do?
funny, just checked CBCpravda and this just hasnt made the headlines.
however, in Canaduh , sentencing circles dont see anything wrong with murdering your children. even with 51 priors.
Well, if he didn’t video the beheading and put it up on a website, as some of his more notorious co-religionists have done, then perhaps he can salvage a good news story out of this one.
See? You people are too negative sometimes.
The RELIGION OF PIECE!
Guess the question is how many pieces…
Remind me again why diversity and culturally indiscriminate immigration have intrinsic social value?
Remind me again why group identity politics holsa all cultures as equal.
Oh Please help me here, I need to revalidate my vacuous Lib-left PC dogmatism.
Beheading is so passe. My hometown Windsor,ON. was the site of the first honour beheading in Canada, probably in North America. The honour killing in the name of Allah was over the finances of a new mosque came under scrutiny by a donour, who requested his money back.
The gentleman also spoke out against the radical element within the community,to which he paid for with his life.
I must also point out that Islam gives equal opportunity to all sexes as teenage girls were involved with the beheading.
America Alone.
Perhaps Muslim men will solve the question posed.
Women are precious until they speak up or act on their own behalf without male approval. Beheading is such a culturally sensitive act, not to be viewed with horror. These are just minor disagrements that the infidels don’t understand, we are the heathens. This is what you do to people you disapprove of or disagree with. Why talk, when you can kill or maim. Final solution courtesy of the 12th century.
Maybe he was just wanted to avoid the hassle of a divorce lawyer?/sarc.
I will ask the stupid question…where are all the femnazis on this?
I’m sure that these unfortunate beheading’s occur across a broad strata of society. More importantly it is paramount that Bridges TV continues to cast a favorable light on our misunderstood Muslim brothers and the odd decapitation here or there is of little consequence.
It’s the big picture that matters folks!
Syncro
That sound your hear is a chorus of crickets chirping at NAC-SOW
He’ll likely get higher ratings with his new plan, but they’ll have to post a warning about violence.
I’m as wary of Muslim immigration as anyone here. That said, I think this particular incident cannot, by itself, be taken as an indictment of Islam, at least not in the absence of more detailed information. The deed was not as clearly motivated by cultural considerations as, say, the slaying of that rebellious Muslim teenager by her family. Muslims offer plenty of other targets. We don’t need to shoot at questionable ones.
Pretty sad for the family’s children, to say the least. http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2004-11/2004-11-16-voa70.cfm
Nuzzammil Hassan came to America from Pakistan 25 years ago. He became a successful banker in Buffalo, New York, near the famed Niagara Falls.
While he and his wife were happy to be in the United States, they were upset by the negative perceptions of Muslims, and particularly how this perception might affect their children.
That is how they came up with the idea of Bridges TV. Mr. Hassan’s wife challenged him to start it.
Muzzammil Hassan
MUZZAMMIL HASSAN, FOUNDER, BRIDGES TV
“I had no background in television. I didn’t know anything about TV. Her comment was, ‘you have an M.B.A. (masters degree in business) why don’t you write a business plan?'”
And so he did. He quit his job at the bank and for the next two to three years worked almost non-stop in developing an English language television network that offers news and entertainment for Muslims.
Mr. Hassan hopes Bridges TV lives up to its name by uniting American Muslims and by helping non-Muslims overcome the negative images they may have of both Muslims and Islam.
MUZZAMMIL HASSAN, FOUNDER, BRIDGES TV
“There should be a Muslim media so that Muslim
According to Reuters:
Bridges TV founder and Chief Executive Muzzammil Hassan founded the TV network in 2004. According to a Reuters story at that time, “his wife came up with the idea in December 2001 while listening to the radio on a road trip.”:
“Some derogatory comments were being made about Muslims that offended her,” Hassan told Reuters ahead of Tuesday’s launch. “She was seven months pregnant, and she thought she didn’t want her kids growing up in this environment.”
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Well, she doesn’t have to worry about that anymore.
“The deed was not as clearly motivated by cultural considerations”
I’m curious what other considerations would have motivated a head hacking headache remedy like this one. Was it disappointment at the last 3 weeks of Obama’s presidency? A bad run of numbers on the state lottery? A bladder infection?
I think, before rushing to judgment, a few facts would be useful. After all, is this situation one where this man killed his wife BECAUSE he was Muslim or did he kill his wife AND he was Muslim?
There’s an enormous difference. After all, do we assert that Madoff robbed all those people BECAUSE he was Jewish (national treasurer of the American Jewish Congress) or that he robbed AND he’s Jewish.
Do priests abuse young boys BECAUSE they are Catholic or…well, I’m sure you get my point.
RSP
“””” Muslims offer plenty of other targets. We don’t need to shoot at questionable ones.””””
HUH!!!
this is a perfect example of muslim attitudes towards their women folk
“this particular incident cannot, by itself, be taken as an indictment of Islam”
Agreed. However, added to the infinite number of atrocities incited by the Quran, bracketed by Shariah and exemplified by Mohammad’s behaviour, it is very much an indictment of Islam.
I wonder who “Bridges” sponsors are. I am thinking perhaps axe and machete manufacturers.
Hannibal Lectern:
Your attempts at humor are truly pathetic. Read ET’s comment and, for a change, think before you write.
Kala, I can’t agree with your assessment that it was simply a domestic disturbance, and could have been any ethnic group.
Islam has a history of horrific violence towards women which appalls most western people. In this case, the accused set himself up as an example of the ‘Moderate Muslim’ and as such was and is exposed to more media and community attention.
The accused in this case, has attempted to portray himself and Muslims as really no different that anyone else.
While it may happen, I can’t recall the last time a ‘prominent conservative’ cut his ex-wife’s head off.
The optics in this case bears close scrutiny, because it looks very similar to what is referred to as an honor killing.
I personally don’t like the term “Honor Killing” because it portrays an excuse for the accused actions.
I suspect the proper term would be “Narcissistic Killing” because it’s not about honor, it’s about the possibility that the world will see the sick sons-a-bitches for what they really are.
ET, how many non-Muslims hack the heads off people with whom they disagree?
Your comments seem somewhat disingenuous because beheading seems to be the execution style of choice of one religious group over the others. The HOW of this murder is not incidental.
In the context of Hassan’s TV station to improve the image of Muslims, the fact that he, a Muslim, has apparently carried out this heinous act has, in fact, everything to do with this story.
I concur with ET on this…to a point….
Too much emphasis is put on religion….when the culprit is likely the culture of the country of origin…
The problems surrounding the (Black) Donolleys of Lucan, On was more a cultural thing than religious….tribalism perhaps….
I am still bemused by the Pakistani-Canadian women affecting an Egyptian headdress in the name of religion.
What are you folks obsessing about? Aren’t you following the cogent and irrefutable arguments detailing the appalling spread of right-wing racism over at Katsella’s site? Wake up! Somebody drew a swastiki over a urinal in the men’s room of the Esso station in Punkydoodle’s Corners! Fascism is on the rise! Can’t you hear the jackboots?
Come on, people! Get with the program! The real hatemongers aren’t the terrorists, the professional (and, in polite liberal society, socially acceptable) Jew-haters, the wife-decapitators and the daughter-killers; the real hatemongers are Steyn, Levant, Kate, and all those who have the bad taste to highlight unpleasant correlations!
(And let us not forget the horror of Shaidle on TVO! Oh, the humanity!)
Omar Khadr’s not a terrorist, he’s a victim! He deserves our sympathy, our compassion, our love. But Aqsa Parvez isn’t a victim. No, siree.
You’re all, apparently, forgetting the key logic of multicultural leftardism. When a muslim smashes a plane into a building, self-detonates at a mosque, decapitates his wife, plots to do the same to the Prime Minister, calls for all Jews over 18 to be targeted, marches through Toronto calling for the murder of all Jews, or hangs a 13-year-old girl from a construction crane for being rude to an imam, the leftist elite maintains a dignified silence. But when a non-Muslim says, “Hey, I don’t know if you folks noticed, but the guy that just smashed a plane into a building / self-detonated at a mosque / decapitated his wife / plotted to behead the Prime Minister / called for all Jews over 18 to be targeted / hanged a 13-year-old girl from a construction crane…well, he just happens to be a muslim”, the leftist elite screams “RACISM!!!”
How is it ‘racist’ to notice a correlation? Was it ‘racist’ when the (muslim) editor of an Egyptian paper said “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be muslims”? And if it wasn’t ‘racist’ for him to notice and say it, why is it ‘racist’ for a non-muslim to notice and say it?
This is the leftist tyranny of language, hard at work. I’m not aware of any facts that only Christians are allowed to speak.
Am I being racist when I notice that the vast majority of the Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan have been white, English-speaking men? Or am I just commenting on what appears to be a trend in observed data? Would it matter whether I was white, brown, or black when I said it? Would my faith (or lack of it) matter?
Can a fact be ‘racist’? Or is it just a fact?
How about a correlation? Can a correlation be racist? As Dennis Miller said, when 15 out of 19 hijackers come from the same country and you notice, it’s not called “profiling”, it’s called “minimally observant.” Is it racist to notice that 19 out of the 19 came from the same religion? Is that ‘racist’? Or is it just “noticing a correlation”?
Is it racist to posit a causal relationship between faith and activity? If so, isn’t it racist (or at least, ‘ageist’) for actuaries to charge higher insurance premiums for younger drivers? After all, in doing so they are pre-judging an individual’s likely behaviour on the basis of his membership in a defined group. Aren’t actuaries guilty of profiling?
Are life insurance agents discriminatory when they charge higher premiums to smokers than to non-smokers? They do so because there is a documented link between a certain lifestyle choice and mortality. Would it be legal for a life insurance agent to charge higher rates to a sexually active gay man? Why not?
If profiling – which, at its root, is noticing correlations and acting on them – is acceptable for picayune things like auto insurance, why is it unacceptable when we are dealing with national security?
But that’s not the reality of Trudeaupian Canada. Some things cannot be said. Refusing to speak about them does not stop them from happening, of course; it just makes it harder to deal with them. The commission of a heinous, abominable act will be ignored by the leftist elite if the person committing it is one of a select group of pre-forgiven minorities who are entitled to a get-out-of-condemnation-free card because they are covered by the left’s “soft bigotry of low expectations”. The champions of womens’ rights will ignore forced marriage, polygamy and honour killings; and the self-promoting, self-congratulatory anti-hate crusaders will scribble themselves into a spittle-flecked frenzy over pathetic internet Nazis, and refuse to acknowledge, let alone condemn, the legions of genuine, and far more committed, Jew-haters stomping through Canadian streets, shrieking like maniacs and promising mayhem.
Commit the act? No problem. But MENTION the act, and you’re screwed. Noticing the correlation between faith and violence is punishable if the person noticing it is one of the pre-convicted majority.
The willful blindness of the left to the suicidal insanity of their paradigm is simply mind-boggling.
Anyway, I suppose I shouldn’t get my knickers in a twist about this sort of thing. The Ontario HRC certainly doesn’t have time to deal with petty things like attacks on mosques, decapitations and honour killings. They’ve got their plate full dealing with the hordes of slavering hatemongers down at Maclean’s Magazine.
If he beat her to death, then I’d call it domestic abuse. Beheading is indicative of an Honour Killing, thus that’s how I view it. Chopping off someone’s head is not an easy or clean task, he chose to humiliate her after death that’s also indicative of an “Honour Killing”.
Honestly, you people are getting way too worked up about this. I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Hardly to the point, but: influenTial
Until I hear otherwise, I assume that ET’s comment was intended as satire.
Daniel Pipes has been tracking this guy since 2004. Get with the program, children. Dick Wolf isn’t creating a new Law & Order SBU – Special Beheadings Unit because gay Episcopalians are knocking each other over in record numbers at Sunday services.
lookout – I maintain my point. The fact that he beheaded his wife does not mean that his killing her was because he was Muslim. It is not and cannot be an indictment of Islam.
No, beheading is not a religious but a cultural mode of behaviour – and, as we changed from the era of ‘la guillotine’ and beheadings in Tudor England etc…so that culture can change. It’s not a religious aspect.
Again, I consider it erroneous to attribute the action of murder to his religion, just as it is erroneous to locate the causality of priestly abuse of children to their religion..and so on.
There are many Catholic priests who do not abuse; there are many Jews who are not thieves, there are many Muslims who do not murder their wives. The causality of behaviour is many cases is psychological and not ideological.
“…No, beheading is not a religious but a cultural mode”
—ET
Funny thing is cultures who are into beheading all have in common one thing; Islam…
So what was your point again?
Ideology, psychology and culture are of course mutually exclusive and in no way influence each other. Rather an exquisite compartmentalization is inherent in all individuals thereby ensuring that all ideologies and cultures are equally admirable.
Any deviant behavior is the product of individual psychology alone.
Yep…that sounds plausible.
Syncro
I agree with ET on this one. If a culture is based on beheading then that is just the preferred metheod of murder. Plus it has a public perception that leads one to think they would prefer that didn’t happen to them. We have been sensitized and sanitized but in the end the victim is dead. If a beheader grew up in Watts would they just use a gun?
How is it that he missed the opportunity to broadcast his act? He was right there, in the studio, and didn’t bother to roll cameras.
Maybe it was just a random act of domestic violence. When a white guy does something like this, though, it’s usually a murder-suicide. I haven’t heard of a lot of white guys walking into a police station, and bragging about their crimes. Guilt usually gets the better of them.
I read a comment on another post that really explains this phenomenum. Muslims live in an honour society, while Christians live in a guilt society. When muslims commit a vicious crime like this, no one in their community feels the need to condemn them. When a Christian does something like this, even the most cynical among us feels a twinge of shame.
I think that there’s a great muddling of thought here; that is – a lack of logic.
Can you really conclusively say that IF a man who is Muslim kills his wife, THEN, that act is due to his religion?
Wouldn’t you have to provide some proof of this direct relation of ‘religion-to-act’? This would have to include ratios of Muslims who do NOT kill their wives (vis a vis other religions).
It would also have to include a study of men who are NOT Muslim, who also killed their wives. Did they do so because of their religion?
What about the method? Beheading. Can you make the same direct relation of Islam religion and beheading?
Did Vince Li, who beheaded a young man on a Greyhound bus last year, carry out this act..because..well, he wasn’t Muslim.
I’m merely saying that to jump to the conclusion that this man killed his wife because he was Muslim, is illogical. Furthermore, the method does not mean that IF one beheads, THEN one must be Muslim. Lots of murders carried out by Muslims are with knives, guns, ropes.
syncrodux – your suggestion that ‘any deviant behaviour is the product of individual psychology alone’ is as trivial (because it is a universal) as the suggestion that ‘any deviant behaviour is the product of a religious belief’.
Nor can you assume that an action is caused by any blend of culture, pyschology, AND religion.
And why on earth are you bringing in cultural relativism to this debate? It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.
ET – do the words “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” among others, hold any particular meaning in your universe? Speaking of which, what IS the colour of the sky above your head, today? What was it yesterday?
What sort of background, religious or otherwise could even have a thought about chopping the head off another living human being? This horrible creature did it to the mother of his children.
It’s certainly the method of choice for radical Islamists throughout the Muslim world, whether we attribute it to religion or not.
Excellent post DN and right on the mark. ET, it may be cultural but as soon as I read that a man had beheaded his wife I thought, must be a muslim. Same as when you read about a machete being used in a crime you will almost inevitably find out it is a black, most likely Jamaican.
DN, the murder of a 23 year old man that was just innocently riding a bus in Ottawa by a black falls into your post. Even though this 17 year old thug admitted he stabbed the man through the heart for his Ipod his mother, as usual no father, screamed racism as there were 12 whites on the jury and they found her budding nuclear scientist guilty of the murder. This fat sow refused to accept any responsiblity for her unrepentent POS son blaming everything else but her own culture.
ET- Since you opened this door, I’d like to comment that Vince Li might have been a muslim, after all.
Why is everyone so upset, it was just another woman. Moderate islam will set the record straight for all infidels and I’m sure everything will be all right. Aren’t you? I am also positive that all the S.O.W. types here and across the border will howl their indignation at this minor slip of indiscretion on the part of islam and some positive and conclusive action will be taken.
Oh well, I guess I am just getting old and everything really is alright, nothing to worry about, just a woman.
Dave- I have to disagree. When I hear “machete”, I think “Somali”.
failed at his job, thats so funny i laughed my head off
Apparently influencial Muslims don’t observe Valentines Day in the same way as infidels.
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
As I mentioned when posting this in an earlier thread, his action may create a bit of a setback to his cause.
I wonder if they were acting out a potential script for Little Mosque On The Prairie.
Was his job to create a better view of muslims or a more realistic view?
“Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.”
Just another moderate Muslim.
Meanwhile, a British Home Office “official” spokesman had this to say on the barring of Geert Wilders from England:
“The government opposes extremism in all its forms. It will stop those who want to spread extremism, hatred and violent messages in our communities from coming to our country.”
Ho! ho! What a jolly mixup!
Come on, this was simply a domestic disturbance, could’ve happened easily in any ethnic group…
When we refer to Muslims, we should remember that the women of this faith aren’t necessarily meant to be included in the discussion.
It’s just their way.
As the womens groups have no problem with it, why should we?
What was his tv station motto, “reach out and kill someone,”. At least it was only a muslim female, and they are non persons according to the feminist movement, and islam. The muslim community will be able to forgive him, and the feminist movement will chalk it up to a quaint acceptable muslim tradition.
I agree with Kyla. What’s the big deal? This kind of thing happens all the time in Canada, and has been accepted for generations. We have not heard what the motive was yet, but of course it was justified. Perhaps she went outdoors without a scarf, or talked to a strange man, or came home 10 minutes late. we all know that’s a death sentence for any woman. Gee, people today, complain about everything.
Actually she was filing for divorce for some reason, I mean hey come on what would you do?
funny, just checked CBCpravda and this just hasnt made the headlines.
however, in Canaduh , sentencing circles dont see anything wrong with murdering your children. even with 51 priors.
Well, if he didn’t video the beheading and put it up on a website, as some of his more notorious co-religionists have done, then perhaps he can salvage a good news story out of this one.
See? You people are too negative sometimes.
The RELIGION OF PIECE!
Guess the question is how many pieces…
Remind me again why diversity and culturally indiscriminate immigration have intrinsic social value?
Remind me again why group identity politics holsa all cultures as equal.
Oh Please help me here, I need to revalidate my vacuous Lib-left PC dogmatism.
Beheading is so passe. My hometown Windsor,ON. was the site of the first honour beheading in Canada, probably in North America. The honour killing in the name of Allah was over the finances of a new mosque came under scrutiny by a donour, who requested his money back.
The gentleman also spoke out against the radical element within the community,to which he paid for with his life.
I must also point out that Islam gives equal opportunity to all sexes as teenage girls were involved with the beheading.
America Alone.
Perhaps Muslim men will solve the question posed.
Women are precious until they speak up or act on their own behalf without male approval. Beheading is such a culturally sensitive act, not to be viewed with horror. These are just minor disagrements that the infidels don’t understand, we are the heathens. This is what you do to people you disapprove of or disagree with. Why talk, when you can kill or maim. Final solution courtesy of the 12th century.
Maybe he was just wanted to avoid the hassle of a divorce lawyer?/sarc.
I will ask the stupid question…where are all the femnazis on this?
I’m sure that these unfortunate beheading’s occur across a broad strata of society. More importantly it is paramount that Bridges TV continues to cast a favorable light on our misunderstood Muslim brothers and the odd decapitation here or there is of little consequence.
It’s the big picture that matters folks!
Syncro
That sound your hear is a chorus of crickets chirping at NAC-SOW
He’ll likely get higher ratings with his new plan, but they’ll have to post a warning about violence.
I’m as wary of Muslim immigration as anyone here. That said, I think this particular incident cannot, by itself, be taken as an indictment of Islam, at least not in the absence of more detailed information. The deed was not as clearly motivated by cultural considerations as, say, the slaying of that rebellious Muslim teenager by her family. Muslims offer plenty of other targets. We don’t need to shoot at questionable ones.
Pretty sad for the family’s children, to say the least.
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2004-11/2004-11-16-voa70.cfm
Nuzzammil Hassan came to America from Pakistan 25 years ago. He became a successful banker in Buffalo, New York, near the famed Niagara Falls.
While he and his wife were happy to be in the United States, they were upset by the negative perceptions of Muslims, and particularly how this perception might affect their children.
That is how they came up with the idea of Bridges TV. Mr. Hassan’s wife challenged him to start it.
Muzzammil Hassan
MUZZAMMIL HASSAN, FOUNDER, BRIDGES TV
“I had no background in television. I didn’t know anything about TV. Her comment was, ‘you have an M.B.A. (masters degree in business) why don’t you write a business plan?'”
And so he did. He quit his job at the bank and for the next two to three years worked almost non-stop in developing an English language television network that offers news and entertainment for Muslims.
Mr. Hassan hopes Bridges TV lives up to its name by uniting American Muslims and by helping non-Muslims overcome the negative images they may have of both Muslims and Islam.
MUZZAMMIL HASSAN, FOUNDER, BRIDGES TV
“There should be a Muslim media so that Muslim
According to Reuters:
Bridges TV founder and Chief Executive Muzzammil Hassan founded the TV network in 2004. According to a Reuters story at that time, “his wife came up with the idea in December 2001 while listening to the radio on a road trip.”:
“Some derogatory comments were being made about Muslims that offended her,” Hassan told Reuters ahead of Tuesday’s launch. “She was seven months pregnant, and she thought she didn’t want her kids growing up in this environment.”
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Well, she doesn’t have to worry about that anymore.
“The deed was not as clearly motivated by cultural considerations”
I’m curious what other considerations would have motivated a head hacking headache remedy like this one. Was it disappointment at the last 3 weeks of Obama’s presidency? A bad run of numbers on the state lottery? A bladder infection?
I think, before rushing to judgment, a few facts would be useful. After all, is this situation one where this man killed his wife BECAUSE he was Muslim or did he kill his wife AND he was Muslim?
There’s an enormous difference. After all, do we assert that Madoff robbed all those people BECAUSE he was Jewish (national treasurer of the American Jewish Congress) or that he robbed AND he’s Jewish.
Do priests abuse young boys BECAUSE they are Catholic or…well, I’m sure you get my point.
RSP
“””” Muslims offer plenty of other targets. We don’t need to shoot at questionable ones.””””
HUH!!!
this is a perfect example of muslim attitudes towards their women folk
“this particular incident cannot, by itself, be taken as an indictment of Islam”
Agreed. However, added to the infinite number of atrocities incited by the Quran, bracketed by Shariah and exemplified by Mohammad’s behaviour, it is very much an indictment of Islam.
I wonder who “Bridges” sponsors are. I am thinking perhaps axe and machete manufacturers.
Hannibal Lectern:
Your attempts at humor are truly pathetic. Read ET’s comment and, for a change, think before you write.
Kala, I can’t agree with your assessment that it was simply a domestic disturbance, and could have been any ethnic group.
Islam has a history of horrific violence towards women which appalls most western people. In this case, the accused set himself up as an example of the ‘Moderate Muslim’ and as such was and is exposed to more media and community attention.
The accused in this case, has attempted to portray himself and Muslims as really no different that anyone else.
While it may happen, I can’t recall the last time a ‘prominent conservative’ cut his ex-wife’s head off.
The optics in this case bears close scrutiny, because it looks very similar to what is referred to as an honor killing.
I personally don’t like the term “Honor Killing” because it portrays an excuse for the accused actions.
I suspect the proper term would be “Narcissistic Killing” because it’s not about honor, it’s about the possibility that the world will see the sick sons-a-bitches for what they really are.
ET, how many non-Muslims hack the heads off people with whom they disagree?
Your comments seem somewhat disingenuous because beheading seems to be the execution style of choice of one religious group over the others. The HOW of this murder is not incidental.
In the context of Hassan’s TV station to improve the image of Muslims, the fact that he, a Muslim, has apparently carried out this heinous act has, in fact, everything to do with this story.
I concur with ET on this…to a point….
Too much emphasis is put on religion….when the culprit is likely the culture of the country of origin…
The problems surrounding the (Black) Donolleys of Lucan, On was more a cultural thing than religious….tribalism perhaps….
I am still bemused by the Pakistani-Canadian women affecting an Egyptian headdress in the name of religion.
What are you folks obsessing about? Aren’t you following the cogent and irrefutable arguments detailing the appalling spread of right-wing racism over at Katsella’s site? Wake up! Somebody drew a swastiki over a urinal in the men’s room of the Esso station in Punkydoodle’s Corners! Fascism is on the rise! Can’t you hear the jackboots?
Come on, people! Get with the program! The real hatemongers aren’t the terrorists, the professional (and, in polite liberal society, socially acceptable) Jew-haters, the wife-decapitators and the daughter-killers; the real hatemongers are Steyn, Levant, Kate, and all those who have the bad taste to highlight unpleasant correlations!
(And let us not forget the horror of Shaidle on TVO! Oh, the humanity!)
Omar Khadr’s not a terrorist, he’s a victim! He deserves our sympathy, our compassion, our love. But Aqsa Parvez isn’t a victim. No, siree.
You’re all, apparently, forgetting the key logic of multicultural leftardism. When a muslim smashes a plane into a building, self-detonates at a mosque, decapitates his wife, plots to do the same to the Prime Minister, calls for all Jews over 18 to be targeted, marches through Toronto calling for the murder of all Jews, or hangs a 13-year-old girl from a construction crane for being rude to an imam, the leftist elite maintains a dignified silence. But when a non-Muslim says, “Hey, I don’t know if you folks noticed, but the guy that just smashed a plane into a building / self-detonated at a mosque / decapitated his wife / plotted to behead the Prime Minister / called for all Jews over 18 to be targeted / hanged a 13-year-old girl from a construction crane…well, he just happens to be a muslim”, the leftist elite screams “RACISM!!!”
How is it ‘racist’ to notice a correlation? Was it ‘racist’ when the (muslim) editor of an Egyptian paper said “Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be muslims”? And if it wasn’t ‘racist’ for him to notice and say it, why is it ‘racist’ for a non-muslim to notice and say it?
This is the leftist tyranny of language, hard at work. I’m not aware of any facts that only Christians are allowed to speak.
Am I being racist when I notice that the vast majority of the Canadian soldiers killed in Afghanistan have been white, English-speaking men? Or am I just commenting on what appears to be a trend in observed data? Would it matter whether I was white, brown, or black when I said it? Would my faith (or lack of it) matter?
Can a fact be ‘racist’? Or is it just a fact?
How about a correlation? Can a correlation be racist? As Dennis Miller said, when 15 out of 19 hijackers come from the same country and you notice, it’s not called “profiling”, it’s called “minimally observant.” Is it racist to notice that 19 out of the 19 came from the same religion? Is that ‘racist’? Or is it just “noticing a correlation”?
Is it racist to posit a causal relationship between faith and activity? If so, isn’t it racist (or at least, ‘ageist’) for actuaries to charge higher insurance premiums for younger drivers? After all, in doing so they are pre-judging an individual’s likely behaviour on the basis of his membership in a defined group. Aren’t actuaries guilty of profiling?
Are life insurance agents discriminatory when they charge higher premiums to smokers than to non-smokers? They do so because there is a documented link between a certain lifestyle choice and mortality. Would it be legal for a life insurance agent to charge higher rates to a sexually active gay man? Why not?
If profiling – which, at its root, is noticing correlations and acting on them – is acceptable for picayune things like auto insurance, why is it unacceptable when we are dealing with national security?
But that’s not the reality of Trudeaupian Canada. Some things cannot be said. Refusing to speak about them does not stop them from happening, of course; it just makes it harder to deal with them. The commission of a heinous, abominable act will be ignored by the leftist elite if the person committing it is one of a select group of pre-forgiven minorities who are entitled to a get-out-of-condemnation-free card because they are covered by the left’s “soft bigotry of low expectations”. The champions of womens’ rights will ignore forced marriage, polygamy and honour killings; and the self-promoting, self-congratulatory anti-hate crusaders will scribble themselves into a spittle-flecked frenzy over pathetic internet Nazis, and refuse to acknowledge, let alone condemn, the legions of genuine, and far more committed, Jew-haters stomping through Canadian streets, shrieking like maniacs and promising mayhem.
Commit the act? No problem. But MENTION the act, and you’re screwed. Noticing the correlation between faith and violence is punishable if the person noticing it is one of the pre-convicted majority.
The willful blindness of the left to the suicidal insanity of their paradigm is simply mind-boggling.
Anyway, I suppose I shouldn’t get my knickers in a twist about this sort of thing. The Ontario HRC certainly doesn’t have time to deal with petty things like attacks on mosques, decapitations and honour killings. They’ve got their plate full dealing with the hordes of slavering hatemongers down at Maclean’s Magazine.
If he beat her to death, then I’d call it domestic abuse. Beheading is indicative of an Honour Killing, thus that’s how I view it. Chopping off someone’s head is not an easy or clean task, he chose to humiliate her after death that’s also indicative of an “Honour Killing”.
Honestly, you people are getting way too worked up about this. I don’t see what all the fuss is about.
Hardly to the point, but: influenTial
Until I hear otherwise, I assume that ET’s comment was intended as satire.
Daniel Pipes has been tracking this guy since 2004. Get with the program, children. Dick Wolf isn’t creating a new Law & Order SBU – Special Beheadings Unit because gay Episcopalians are knocking each other over in record numbers at Sunday services.
lookout – I maintain my point. The fact that he beheaded his wife does not mean that his killing her was because he was Muslim. It is not and cannot be an indictment of Islam.
No, beheading is not a religious but a cultural mode of behaviour – and, as we changed from the era of ‘la guillotine’ and beheadings in Tudor England etc…so that culture can change. It’s not a religious aspect.
Again, I consider it erroneous to attribute the action of murder to his religion, just as it is erroneous to locate the causality of priestly abuse of children to their religion..and so on.
There are many Catholic priests who do not abuse; there are many Jews who are not thieves, there are many Muslims who do not murder their wives. The causality of behaviour is many cases is psychological and not ideological.
“…No, beheading is not a religious but a cultural mode”
—ET
Funny thing is cultures who are into beheading all have in common one thing; Islam…
So what was your point again?
Ideology, psychology and culture are of course mutually exclusive and in no way influence each other. Rather an exquisite compartmentalization is inherent in all individuals thereby ensuring that all ideologies and cultures are equally admirable.
Any deviant behavior is the product of individual psychology alone.
Yep…that sounds plausible.
Syncro
I agree with ET on this one. If a culture is based on beheading then that is just the preferred metheod of murder. Plus it has a public perception that leads one to think they would prefer that didn’t happen to them. We have been sensitized and sanitized but in the end the victim is dead. If a beheader grew up in Watts would they just use a gun?
How is it that he missed the opportunity to broadcast his act? He was right there, in the studio, and didn’t bother to roll cameras.
Maybe it was just a random act of domestic violence. When a white guy does something like this, though, it’s usually a murder-suicide. I haven’t heard of a lot of white guys walking into a police station, and bragging about their crimes. Guilt usually gets the better of them.
I read a comment on another post that really explains this phenomenum. Muslims live in an honour society, while Christians live in a guilt society. When muslims commit a vicious crime like this, no one in their community feels the need to condemn them. When a Christian does something like this, even the most cynical among us feels a twinge of shame.
I think that there’s a great muddling of thought here; that is – a lack of logic.
Can you really conclusively say that IF a man who is Muslim kills his wife, THEN, that act is due to his religion?
Wouldn’t you have to provide some proof of this direct relation of ‘religion-to-act’? This would have to include ratios of Muslims who do NOT kill their wives (vis a vis other religions).
It would also have to include a study of men who are NOT Muslim, who also killed their wives. Did they do so because of their religion?
What about the method? Beheading. Can you make the same direct relation of Islam religion and beheading?
Did Vince Li, who beheaded a young man on a Greyhound bus last year, carry out this act..because..well, he wasn’t Muslim.
I’m merely saying that to jump to the conclusion that this man killed his wife because he was Muslim, is illogical. Furthermore, the method does not mean that IF one beheads, THEN one must be Muslim. Lots of murders carried out by Muslims are with knives, guns, ropes.
syncrodux – your suggestion that ‘any deviant behaviour is the product of individual psychology alone’ is as trivial (because it is a universal) as the suggestion that ‘any deviant behaviour is the product of a religious belief’.
Nor can you assume that an action is caused by any blend of culture, pyschology, AND religion.
And why on earth are you bringing in cultural relativism to this debate? It has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion.
ET – do the words “penchant,” “predilection,” “predisposition,” “proclivity” or “tendency,” among others, hold any particular meaning in your universe? Speaking of which, what IS the colour of the sky above your head, today? What was it yesterday?
What sort of background, religious or otherwise could even have a thought about chopping the head off another living human being? This horrible creature did it to the mother of his children.
It’s certainly the method of choice for radical Islamists throughout the Muslim world, whether we attribute it to religion or not.
Excellent post DN and right on the mark. ET, it may be cultural but as soon as I read that a man had beheaded his wife I thought, must be a muslim. Same as when you read about a machete being used in a crime you will almost inevitably find out it is a black, most likely Jamaican.
DN, the murder of a 23 year old man that was just innocently riding a bus in Ottawa by a black falls into your post. Even though this 17 year old thug admitted he stabbed the man through the heart for his Ipod his mother, as usual no father, screamed racism as there were 12 whites on the jury and they found her budding nuclear scientist guilty of the murder. This fat sow refused to accept any responsiblity for her unrepentent POS son blaming everything else but her own culture.
ET- Since you opened this door, I’d like to comment that Vince Li might have been a muslim, after all.
Why is everyone so upset, it was just another woman. Moderate islam will set the record straight for all infidels and I’m sure everything will be all right. Aren’t you? I am also positive that all the S.O.W. types here and across the border will howl their indignation at this minor slip of indiscretion on the part of islam and some positive and conclusive action will be taken.
Oh well, I guess I am just getting old and everything really is alright, nothing to worry about, just a woman.
Dave- I have to disagree. When I hear “machete”, I think “Somali”.