What’s good enough for the country is good enough for the Liber… oh, wait.
Noting that only two Liberal MP’s were elected between North Bay, Ontario and Vancouver, Rae argues a simple vote of the Commons caucus would exclude Liberals in huge chunks of the country from participating in the selection of the party’s next leader.
Greg Staples notes the irony as well;
We are supposed to believe that Mr Rae is comfortable with being one who would anoint themselves to pick a new leader, of the country no less, but is uncomfortable in doing that within his own party.
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Check out ProgressiveBloggers.ca for people who favour the coaliton going batty over Ignatieff being installed as the interim leader of the Liberals …
Liblogs are a barrel of fun this morning, too.
It does not matter if the grassroots or the parliamentary caucus chooses the leader since no Liberal grassroots exist west of North Bay.
Ergo, the wisdom of a liberal:
“But his chief rival, Bob Rae, is not going down without a fight. He’s challenging the legitimacy of a leadership process that excludes tens of thousands of rank and file Liberals.”
You mean, like the coalition would have denied the will of rank and file Canadians?
Does the Liberal party have idea how desperate they appear right now? Lowest votes in history. Financially bankruptcy. A coalition with NDP and Bloc to take power while fearfully avoid voters. The video fiasco. Installing Iggy as leader without asking the membership.
Do they really think that they can go to their faithful and ask for money after selling their votes to the socialist and separatists, and not allowing them to have a say in their own parties leadership? The coalition stupidity and now the crowning of Iggy will further destroy their ability to raise funds from any remaining supporters.
Have they not even once considered just slowing down, having a proper leadership race, reconnecting with their grassroots, selling themselves to the Canadian voters and honestly winning an election? What is their hurry? Why intentionally step on every explosive in this minefield created by Harper, Layton and Duceppe.
He has a truly dizzying intellect…
And the Liberals are trying to choose between the wine in front of them and the wine in front of Harper.
Thanks for the link Kate.
Bob is out there causing all kinds of collateral damage. He is unelectable, Liberals know this. The best he can hope for is kingmaker, which he can leverage into some cushy cash flow, and to be ensconced in the Canadian power structure in a way that is advantageous to a certain large corporation in Montreal.
More Bob Rae, please.
Oh, and Stephane, if you want real revenge, refuse to go anywhere until your debt is paid. At this moment you actually have the LPC hoist on its own petard – the less democratically they attempt to remove you, the deeper the impact crater in the next general election.
The Liberals and the MSM.
Always one step behind the mood of the public.
How about that bourque poll that shows Bloc support down 8% in Quebec?
Yep, that Harper sure is a mean one to bring issues to a head.
The Lib/MSM coalition’s Mr. Mean is the ordinary man-on-the street’s freedom fighter.
But I guess we’re just the schoolyard, cheering on the bully.
Lib/MSM! Are you men or mice? Squeak up!
I wonder if Mr. Rae has asked his ‘people’ if they could stump up C$1.95 each for their effort.
Or is it that the total that could be raised could pay for one large double-double, but not much more?
If the Liberals think they are out of the woods on this issue, they are sorely mistaken.
We’ve only just seen the opening volleys of the civil war.
Democracy for me but not for thee…
Scratch a leftist and you’ll find a hypocrite!
According to ‘Fried Hedy’ on cbc this am,Saskatchewan’s lone Lib Ralphie..was one of main negotiators of the deal.Marlene Jennings also mentioned.Will this help Ralph get re-elected? I can’t see this helping him.
BTW,any photos yet of the tractor invasion of Ottawa this am in protest of the ‘deal?’Mz.O’Malley was whining about the dirty farm machinery invading Ott.on the wk-end.I guess rural Canadians,even if they come from Ont.don’t count.
When Dion, Rae and Ignatieff get together the amount of ego in the room must be a physical presence. Add Layton to the mix and I am sure a critical mass would be achieved and nuclear fission would occur. Maybe we could arrange the meeting to take place at Toronto city hall.
They only have two to choose from Mike Ignatiaff whose hasn’t lived in the country for 30 years and Bob Rae who bankrupt Ontario in the 90’s. It looks like the grassroot movement is dead in the liberal party. If the future looked like Justin Trudeau that was put out to pasture when he signed on for the coalition. The LPC is dead and I hope they take the NDP with them.
You must find it completely ironic or moronic, whatever. We have a national party that have been screaming about democratic rights being overruled by Harper in his request for prorogation and at the same time their own party doesn’t even know how to spell democracy. Ignatief was parachuted in to the Etobicoke riding by the Liberal party over the objection of the nominating committee in the riding when he was first introduced to the Canadian electorate. Now he’s being installed as interm leader, over the head of the constitutional process again and I believe in contravention with the understanding that the interm leader must be a non-contender for the leadership position since an interm leader would have an unfair advantage over other leadership contenders. Canadians are now aware that they have been led by the nose for the greater part of the last 40 years by a bunch of shysters and confidence men, that only care about power and the rape of the Canadian taxpayer, with the complaisancy of the MSM. This party has finally thrown all sense of decency and morality to the dogs and pigs by scheming behind the backs of the taxpayer by conspiring against the Canadian taxpayers and their duly elected and appointed government. You have to wonder what the MSM will receive from the junta if this coup that has been engineered is successful. Can anyone in Canada picture someone/anyone from within the ranks of the opposition having to deal with leaders from the international community. Canada would become a defacto “BANANA REPUBLIC”.
Plus, the final entry on the career of Johhny Crouton will read:
“Came back to Ottawa on the sly to create a coalition with separatists and socialists, thus in one stroke undoing a career-long meme that he was a fighter of separatists.”
Christie Blatchford praises Stephen Harper while the rest of the MSM tries to bury him:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081208.BLATCH08/TPStory/National/columnists
Why not invite the NDP to help pick the Liberal leader? Make sure to run it past the BQ to ensure they don’t have any objections.
I find it funny that some media/liberals were throwing around the idea of an online vote for the new liberal leader.
Yeah, that would work really well in the party of powercorp and corruption. I’m 100% sure that no tampering would go on there!!
The Tories will be the Naturally Governing Party of the 21st Century.
Imagine that! Lieberals NOT allowed to vote for their new leader!
What about this coalition f%$kup?
Not the same thing you say?
H HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! What a bunch of geniuses!!!
Hippcracy: thy spawn is named LIBERAL.
Oh yeah, by the way, anyone seen Ralph Goodale? Hiding under a chair some where in Piapot Sask I think..
This gong show is a LOT of fun to watch.
andycanuk, many thanks for that fine Christie Blatchford column.
If the Lib caucus is who chooses their next leader there will be a bunch of pi–ed off Western Liberals. Couldn’t be better news for the CPC. I’m not saying that those votes would go to the CPC. Some would but even if Liberal votes went to the NDP that would help to split the vote which is good news for Conservatives.
I’ve warned Ralph a couple of times now that what is going on in the Liberal party down east is bad news for Western Liberals and they will spend a long long time in political purgatory for it.
right now lieberal fortunes are falling faster than Wylie Coyote over a cliff. the MSM has them suspended just long enough to give us the look of resignation.
Posted by: andycanuck at December 8, 2008 11:05 AM
– “Christie Blatchford praises Stephen Harper while the rest of the MSM tries to bury him:”
God bless Christie Blatchford,( bought her Afghanistan book – want tears? read it!)
it’s a pity Christie toils in the leftist boar’s nest of Globemadia.
I suspect she remains the token “conservative” voice there.
I just heard the Boob on the radio, saying: CORONATIONS are not a good idea in politics. People should have a CHOICE.
What a bloody hypocrite. This man—like all the other lefty “leaders”—has no shame. I guess not: they have not a clue what the word means.
Now, the word “power”: they know what that means. They don’t have it and they’re ready to get it at any cost, including stealing it.
My husband has a good name for their party: the Coup Coup (Coo Coo) Party. A more incompetent, irresponsible and immoral gaggle of goons one couldn’t find if one looked in Sicily. (Sorry, Sicilians!)
Never in my wildest dreams did I think the Liberal Party could sink any lower than they did during Dion’s tenure. I figured they had finally hit bottom with nowhere to go but up. They have, these past few days, proved me wrong.
There apparently is nobody left in that party wearing ‘big boy’ pants. They are like the toddler, who seeing a prized toy on the shelf, demands it immediately, not understanding the concept that ‘Mommy doesn’t have any money to pay today’. Mommy’s promises of a purchase next visit, ‘When I have some money in the bank’, means nothing to the toddler. He wants what he wants when he wants it.
No matter that the party is bereft of trusted and experienced leadership, lacking in funds to fight not only an election but any concerted effort at policy promotion, at least that is, were there any policy to promote, poisoned by serial fratricide and numbed by public opinion by their latest foray into defining Canadian values as in line with those held by three supposedly distinct political parties, including socialists and separatists.
No, the Liberal Party does not have the patience to rebuild their tattered brand but now believes in democracy by expediency. With the added bonus of crowning a man who has barely lived in this country for the last 35 years, its King.
It is truly the season of giving.
Re the Three Amigos and their partners in crime: they’re hiding their staggering dishonesty and duplicity in plain sight.
As I’ve said before, they’re like Emperors, as in the fairy tale: everyone else—well, if they’re not the sycophants and toadies in the MSM—can see these men (all white too: and why shouldn’t they be?) for the utter fools they are.
As my uncle used to say, “What a crew!”
Best one Ive seen yet.
“The best way to pick their new leader would be to get all of them in a room and let them all play a game of Russian roulette. The last one standing wins.”
Kelowna AM1150 radio this morning.
Stephen LeDrew, former LPC President.
LeDrew: (paraphrasing) “Dion is the most stubborn and the most delusional person you could ever meet.”
Liberal delegates elected him leader.
Add, Rae’s hypocrisy to the mix and you have the three words that best describe the Latte “Intellectual” Left in Canada !!
Stubborn Delusional Hypocrite
Here’s what Rae said today: “I think the notion of a natural governing party is outdated. We have to earn the trust of all Canadians, particularly those who haven’t voted for us in a long time. We have to become a more populist party and have to learn to listen and speak for people and not at people.”
My question to him is, how can you earn the trust of all Canadians when you deny them the right to vote in their government?
He continues: “The Conservatives are going to have a hard time arguing they are not responsible for the current recession”.
First, we aren’t yet in a recession, and second, we live in a global economy. There is no way that the Canadian government is responsible for an economic downturn that is affecting all, and I repeat, all, nations around the world. We simply aren’t that economically powerful to have such a global effect.
He then declared: “I don’t like backroom deals.”
Wow – what was the Coalition all about then? It was a clear backroom deal, denying the Canadian voter any say in this setup.
I’ve just heard some fool called Rodger Cuzner, the Liberal Whip, speaking to Marci What’s Her-Name on CTV. (Every blatant lie was allowed to pass.)
E.g.,
1) When asked if the Liberal Party, re the leadership contest, was divided? No, opined Mr. Cuzner, people just have different ideas.
OK . . .
2) Rodger said that the people of Canada just would NOT accept what PMSH had in mind for our Parliament. Any reference to the polls that show just the opposite? Nope.
OK . . .
3) Rodger also said that the Coalition is strong . . . OK . . .
What a joke.
I’m only watching News (sic) TV because of the extraordinary circumstances. This activity—and I steer altogether clear of CBC—puts my health in danger. The blood pressure rises precipitously, seeing the deliberate collusion of the MSM with their co-conspirators in the Liberal, NDP, and Bloc parties whose wicked scheme to hijack democracy is nothing short of treasonous.
The Librano$ are in total denial, utter and total denial.
Despite the Rallies for Canada (which, in actuality, given the short notice and no resources to rival the union resources of money, organization, buses, media spin, etc.) and the weekend polls which make it clear that the CPC and PMSH are popular by a ratio of two to one, they’re still talking about the crisis precipitated by PMSH.
That’s the Librano$’ meme now: the crisis to Canada’s democracy is all PMSH’s fault and, according to Martha Hall-Findlay on CTV news tonight with Marcia MacMillan, “no one” in the HOC can trust Prime Minister Harper.
It seems as though it doesn’t matter whether the CPC delivers everything the coalition parties want or not: “No one” trusts PMSH in Parliament, according to the Librano$.
What I’m hearing is: We WON’T co-operate with the minority goverment when the HOC sits again, no matter what their stimulus package is. We don’t care if they promise the sun and the moon, we’re out to get them.
‘Someone mention toddlers, Jan? “I want what I want, when I want it. And who cares about anyone else?”
These Disloyal Opposition Parties are depraved. They don’t live in the real world and they’re dangerous. “What a crew!” is right, lookout.
ET, Bob was speaking to the Liberal party members. The rest of us – the great unwashed – can go fiddle fuddle.
Saints be praised, Bobo Rae has found religion. Today he is scambling with statements against the coronation of “my good friend” Iggynatheif because appointing someone with no chance for any say from the people of Alberta would not be right. The height of hippocracy. It is,although, quite entertaining to see these immoral bottom dwellers eating their own with even Hedy Fried(I see KKK burning crosses) in on the act. The positioning and bumbling of in-out, for-against, up-down rolled out today for the MSM to desiminate to the public was truly the best Looney Tunes cartoon work that has been seen in YEARS.
On The Agenda, discussing the Liberals these days, not one Conservative voice.
David McGuinty has just said that the heroic Dion has stepped aside for “personal reasons”.
Just when these idiots have gone as low as one thinks is possible, they go lower.
‘Standing by and watching . . .
lookout – I can’t handle the ‘news’ (sic) on any Canadian TV – CTV, CBC, Global. I skip it all; but as I was surfing, I saw that Liberal Whip and his statements (saw two before I rapidly switched). It was obnoxious.
The Liberal Party now has to slither out of the Coalition fiasco, which they will do, just as they slithered out of Adscam. How? Their strategy is to Be the Victim.
They will claim that everything they did was because of the nefarious actions of Harper.
They ignore that the coalition was in planning for months before the fiscal update; they ignore also that they are not five year olds; they are able to make choices and they chose to foist an undemocratic government on Canadians, one that was set up immune to the electoral will.
They’ll join in this public proclamation of themselves as Victims, and define Quebec, as usual, as the co-victim of That Evil Harper. They ignore that their act of setting up the Bloc with veto powers over the House was an act that deserved our deepest condemnation and criticism. But to an agenda that is focused around the Self-Will of a Political party, any criticism is akin to an assault.
Now that they have lost Bush and America as another of their regular stable of Evil Others, I think they’ll move Harper into this role.
What’s their problem? They have, for a generation, operated without policies. They have operated by means of the financial support of large corporations and the networked contacts of Power Corp.
This has set them up, not as a political party operating as the governance by and of the people, for the people..but as a System masquerading as a political party and acting as a front for these backroom financial interests.
The Liberals therefore, have no knowledge or experience in operating as a political system, as a system responsible to and for, the nation.
They have maintained themselves in power by virtue of this funding from corporations, in return for their subsidies and govt funds, by setting up immigrants as dependent groups in return for their votes, by setting up large make-work projects in various parts, by bleeding the West for money..and so on. That is, rather than operating as a political party, they operated as an oligarchic cabal.
With the loss of funding, the loss of power, they have no ability to understand or organize themselves as a political party.
So, they continue with the schemes, the plots, the setting up of Evil Others and the self-definition of themselves as White Knights fighting these Evil Others.
Asking them to learn to be a political party, is akin to asking an Emperor to drop his divine right to rule.
I altogether agree with your analysis, ET. The Liberals are Babes in Coup Coup Land.
But, what I hope has changed is that ordinary Canadians are now seeing the desperate little men behind the curtain.
Until now, most Canadians have not seen the utter depravity of this coven of Liberal traitors to all that most of us hold dear. Canadians now understand that these jackals would sell their own children to get their hands on our money in order to pad their pockets and those of people like Mo Stlong in China.
The “We’re nice and will save you” mask of the Liberals has slipped and is now around their ankles. Many ordinary Canadians have noticed and are incensed. IMO, “Business as usual”—hoodwink the Canadian public—has just become a lot more difficult.
GR-8 analysis, ET. How come the MSM is so dumb? How come their “investigative reporters” can’t come up with similar reasons for why the Librano$ are so utterly in disarray?
It’s beyond belief what wimps the Librano$ are–and yet our MSM props them up and lets them think that they have legitimate grievances and gravitas, while the rest of us can see, “Hey! These guys are clowns! They’re idiots! They’re the neighbourhood bullies!”
Thank G*d for the blogs, for Kate’s in particular.
Listening to TVO tonight and it’s all Librano panel of “experts” it seems the Libs are more than bankrupt. I do commend Steve in pushing the talking points but he failed to follow up on the spin from mainly the Ontario’s premiers’s little sister David.
Then there was the young liberal spouting of, as to no surprise, that the Libranos, after all, are the natural governing party. A lad that age has not been allowed to even try and fly from the nest on his own. Shame that.
bverwey
“The Conservatives are going to have a hard time arguing they are not responsible for the current recession”. – The Boob.
Alternate universe.
Liberals won’t know where the bottom is until they’re fully engorged on it.
“”””David McGuinty has just said that the heroic Dion has stepped aside for “personal reasons”.””””””
well now, stupidity is rather personal
Jack Layton today delivered a eulogy to mark Stephane Dion’s resignation. Among other things, he makes the following interesting statement:
“Mr. Dion and the entire Liberal caucus have shown courage and leadership by putting aside political differences with New Democrats to forge a majority coalition.”
The Liberals and the NDP have taken great pains to claim that the coalition is only between their two parties, and not with the BQ. But the Liberals and the NDP combined have only 114 seats, so their coalition is no “majority coalition.” They can only claim a majority of seats if those of the BQ are added in — in other words, if the BQ is part of this coalition.
So by claiming that the coalition is a “majority coalition” (and I heard the NDP spinner Brad Lavigne refer to it the same way on MD Live last week), Layton is admitting that the BQ is part of the coalition, something that the NDP and Liberals have constantly denied. This all seems so obvious. Will someone ask Layton and the others about this contradiction? I’d love to hear the answer.
Charles Adler & Lorrie Goldstein discuss Bob Rae’s hypocrisy at 34:00 here: http://ckryfm.corusradionetwork.com/shared/corus_content/emmis/cjobam/dynamic_audiovault_process.asp?dt=20081208_15
Not only that, mj, but the operating reality of their having set up the Bloc as the ‘Maxwell’s Demon’ ..I’ll explain in a minute..is that this ‘de facto’ means that ALL the votes of the other parties in the House are irrelevant. The only votes that have any effect are those of the Bloc.
Maxwell’s Demon, is an imaginary being that operates a door between two boxes; let’s call one box the Votes and the other Box the Result. We have a Motion put on the Floor. The CPC with 143 seats votes NO. The Coalition of Liberals and NDP with 114 seats votes YES. Now, this ought to mean that the CPC wins. Nope. The Bloc, that little Demon, with its 49 seats and its promise to support the Coalition, moves in and the ‘NO’ side wins.
You can have the CPC vote NO; the Coalition vote YES. Irrelevant. Because the BLoc alone makes the decision.
Therefore, my point is that this Coalition effectively set up the BLoc, made up of MPs out of the electoral reach of over 80% of Canadians – the Boss of the House of Commons. ALL MP votes are irrelevant; they might as well stay home. The only votes that make the decision, are those of the Bloc.
This isn’t discussed on the Liberal MSM shows. Another thing that isn’t discussed is that this setting up the Bloc as a Maxwell’s Demon, was geared to last for at least 18 months; that is, the electorate was barred from input into this coalition. How’s that for imperialism?
The Liberals are now starting to back away from this coalition. Hmm. I wonder why. Could it be the polls over the last few days? Now, those polls are also NEVER mentioned on the various Liberal talk shows and Liberal blogs. Swept under the cover.
As for Dion – ‘personal reasons’ heh. Gun to the head more likely. And a golden handshake of the Liberals paying his debts.
You should write a book, ET.
Seriously.
This all seems so obvious. Will someone ask Layton and the others about this contradiction? I’d love to hear the answer.
Posted by: MJ at December 8, 2008 9:15 PM
Of course it’s obvious, but you won’t hear any reasonable answer from the left. Because, in the mind of a typical leftard, this Orwellian Doublethink is perfectly logical: the Bloc is not part of the coalition — the Bloc is part of the coalition — the Bloc has never been a part of the coalition — the Bloc has always been a part of the coalition.
I’ve seen it for years, but this naked power play from the Libs/Dippers/Blockheads has put it out on full display for all to see. I’m rather hoping it’s finally dawning on a large segment of the Canadian electorate, and that the boost in the Conservative polling numbers gain some traction.
i’m glad that the gg took harpers advice and shut down the parliament, everyone needs sometime to cool off. we didn’t need dion the pm . poor bankrupt bob is not going to get his big show and layton looks like his mother died but the grin on iggies face is like he just poked the neighbors wife or something. bob has been snookered.
one thing that i am disappointed about is the conduct of mr goodale and mr broadbent. although i have never supported their beliefs i always had respect for them especially broadbent…but the last couple of weeks have shown what a pair of politcal prostitutes they are..all that matters to them is who is on top and the money they can get by riding there..they simple are a pair of whores. i can hardly wait for the next election.
Interesting new blog posting from Andrew Coyne. Be sure to read the link he makes to Liberal blogger Rob Silver: http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/12/07/leading-from-the-rear
Sheesh, I guess we won’t have Dion “the dim” to kick around any more…
Awe shucks, I’m starting to miss the little dweeb already,…sniff..sob.
Oh well, time to take aim at whomever takes over as the new leftist “super-czar”:
-Bobbo “not without a vote” Rae, except when in coalition-land)
-or Iggs “I was against the coalition of weasels, before I was for the coalition of weasels. Then I sort of was against it after the Canadian public showed what scheming, lying, assholes we truely were”. I’m sorry. (that’s as sincere as I can make myself look in front of the tv cameras. (Do you think they’ll buy it ?). Excuse my, I need to go get my manicure….