…if these professors were confronted with a situation in which their favorite Party, the NDP, had won more than 140 seats in the House of Commons. Imagine if the NDP had double the seat total of the Conservatives. Imagine what would happen if the Conservatives had then gotten together with two other parties, one of them being an Alberta Only party and then perhaps the Christian Heritage Party, one that would be supporting Capital Punishment and Opposing Abortion. Imagine if the Conservative Party with their right of centre coalition partners including a party dedicated to the Independence of Alberta. Imagine if the Conservatives signed a document with these smaller parties and presented that to the Governor General and said, “We have ourselves a legitimate, constitutional, coalition of elected members who have lost confidence in the government led by Jack Layton. He must face the house. He must face defeat, and we must now come to you Governor General, your excellency and pick up the keys to a new government.”
Can you imagine the professors of our elite universities going on the National TV Newscasts, saying “This coalition is very much in keeping with Constitutional Values, Canadian values and there is no reason to go back to the polls. These coalition partners ought to be given a chance to make government work.”
If you can imagine the professors giving their intellectual and moral consent to that, then you can also imagine Pigs flying, Cows barking, and Cockroaches coming up with a cure for cancer. If you are willing to believe that the professors of this country would approve of a coalition of the right then you are willing to trade in your fine mind for a fine box labeled B.F.I. For the alphabetically homeless, that means a dumpster.
Many apparently Canadians had no idea we as taxpayers are feeding / financing the political parties.
That is now out in the open and the $30,000.000 per year should be put to better use in the economy.
The shrill call for Harper’s replacement is coming from the yappers in MSM.
Leftists all!
And once again it needs repeating, had the troika become the governing body, Canada would have been governed by a trio of communists.
Stephen Harper and his conservatives are the best money managers Canada could possibly have, as the world economy backslides to recessio0n.
Stay the course Stephen!
Have you ever noticed that the Trio elitist’s “Progressive religion” Modus Operandi is thus:
Society must change it’s attitude and be less critical of others who have opinions and behaviours that are not in the mainstream. This all ceases when THEIR religion is challenged
This is effected by wielding the power of the state to enforce this. The problem is that the power of the state ceases to function when granting those same rights to the traditional and majority viewpoint. Selective application. Selective memory. Massive fraud.
When confronted by this they try to move to goalposts. See “Global Warming” shifting to “Climate Change”- as if the climate never ever changed until man came along. But “the Science is in- the debate is over” (you can’t touch me). Before their plan was implemented we had to listen to their “hysteria”, but after the debate is over- no questioning them or their religion.
Many wars have been fought over Religion. This current war we are in against the Progressivist religion is still on. It may be bloodless, but it is a true Religious WAR none the less. “They” are trying their best to force their religion on society no different than the Christians, Muslims and others have done for millennia…
Remember when Cretien strangled that guy…that was a bully.
Harper has run the longest running minority government in Canadian history. If an election were held today Harper would win a crushing majority. Nik Nanos, a liberal polling icon, believes Harper actually lured Dion into his hostage video screw-up.
So why should Harper quit?
There are only two things that will kill leaders. One is criminal behaviour and the other is looking weak and ridiculous. Harper suffers from neither.
What the separatist coalition and their cheerleaders in the media and the faculty lounges really want is for the CPC to voluntarily replace Harper with a weak leader.
I agree glasnost. It is blatant discrimination on my part. But, unlike progressives, I do not think all discrimination is bad. It is a often an opinion based on life experience. Many of the non-progressive boomers either got disgusted and left the universities, were driven out or are closet conservatives. Beyond places like engineering, the left has total control. Only a few stubborn conservatives remain.
“Calling for Harper to resign is an opposition tactic.” I think we have a winner!
Maybe I didn’t notice this before, but does everyone on this forum always start their post off with: “As a staunch conservative voter I think…” Or. “I voted for Kim Campbell because I’m awesome, blah blah blah”
I do say congratulations on being 1 of the 100 people that voted for her. We should keep you around as a valuable trump card. When the conversation isn’t going our way we can pull you out to say “I voted for Kim Campbell”. Bam! Everyone shuts up in awe of your stupidity.
Don’t trolls hate fire?
BE GONE TROLLS! *waves fiery torch in their faces*
Harper is the best, you losers know it, and you won’t convince us otherwise. Thanks for the comedy anyway..
Dump Harper?
Liberal party leader – Iggy, Toronto, Ontario
or – Rae, Toronto, Ontario
NDP party leader – Layton, Toronto Ontario
Bloc party leader – Duceppe, Montreal, Quebec
CPC party leader – Flaherty, Toronto, Ontario
or – Clement, Toronto, Ontario
or – Baird, Ottawa, Ontario
What’s wrong with this picture?
Tarpaper
I’ve been wondering why Ignatieff didn’t come out and openly reject this obscene coalition.
After all, it is deeply undemocratic, deliberately rejects an election to ask Canadians if they want a coalition; and sets up the House as two-tiered, with MP votes irrelevant because all Motions have to be approved by the Bloc; and has nothing to do with the economy. It’s blatant power grab.
So- why is Ignatieff supporting this? I think it’s political. IF he supports it, in a mild fashion, muttering only something about the ‘technicalities’.. then, he might get a fair number of NDP voters to ‘go Liberal’ at the next election. If he rejects it, then they might ‘stay NDP’. And, he also might lose those Liberals who felt that they could somehow return to power in this manner. So, he’s walking the fence. It’s all about politics. Not the morality of the issue.
Layton? He’s got his hardcore NDPers – all the unionists and other govt funded people. How’s he going to prevent his people from going Liberal?
Rae? He’s basically NDP and his agenda is to somehow merge the two parties.
There’s still more going on but it’s murky..
Professor. To me that means someone living in a make believe world insulated from reality and common sense by tenure. If you don’t have to think to earn a living, your livelihood guaranteed, is it any wonder they come up with all these goofy ideas. Most of these idiot professors are just that, idiots, that would die of starvation if locked in a supermarket, the due dates would expire.
Harper played all his cards masterfully:
1- He knew a coalition was in the works and decided to expose it and at the same time create/awake Canadians on a few of his pet projects for the not so distant future:
A- The Political party taxpayer funds: Canadians have now been polled on that and the response? 61% oppose it. Now ask yourself if the MSM would of arbitrerally done a poll on that without this “crisis”?
B- The question of Quebec and how much appetite they have in separation these days. Harper knew Charest’s Liberals were heading towards a majority. After MSM keeps fireing that there will be a Quebec backlash, Charest is still poised to get his majority on monday. Harper is furious at Quebec for having denied his own majority but more so, angry at a hand full of oppertunists: Duceppe, Parizeau, Marois and others who know Quebec is no longer going or even thinking/justifying to separate but keeps brainwashing it’s overly emotional and often illogical electorate into voting Bloc. Duceppe does it with over 3 million $’s of Fed money using a bus to go through every single town more than once in many cases and lots of french airwave time. If Quebecers were truly “dissatisfied” with Canada and Harper after the last Fed election like it would seem the result of a majority Bloc seats would attest, the Partie Quebecois should logically be the front runners and should at least win a minority on Monday.
Some will debate that Quebecers now vote Bloc for purely “Defending the interests of Quebec” at the Federal level without actually wanting independance. Without saying this is’nt true because it is, then logically and fairly, the Bloc should say loud and clear that it is no longer in pursuit of Quebec separation. Duceppe was loud and clear yesterday: “This coalition brings Quebec closer to it’s goal of souverenism”.
This is where Harper draws the line: Quebec is purely blackmailing Canada for selfish gain.
So this week the PM has awaken the citizens of this land: No more silence towards Quebec. This political correctness has gone too far. The school yard bully must get a swiff kick in the behind once and for all. You either play the game by the rules, or you become isolated. Canadians have spoken and the MSM cannot say it is only Harper. Quebecers have received the message loud and clear. Harper will continue to stir it up: Just yesterday, after meeting with the GG (BTW, a French Quebecer with ex separatist sympathies denied power to a Bloc participating coalition: Should’nt that alone propel the Partie Quebecois to at least closer to power next Monday?) Harper said loud and clear he reaches for the “two other Federalist parties to work on the budget” deliberately excluding the Bloc.
Briefly what happened this week because PM Harper is a master strategist and the opposition are only interested in power at all cost:
– The opposition has been exposed for being power mongers only and the MSM could not spin it otherwise: A big majority of citizens were clear: NO COALITION GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER.
– Quebec has been told by Canadian to smarten up. We are not going to take the threats anymore.
– The political party public funding is unnaceptable.
– Labour unions in government better thread carefully. They are not royalty. Belt thightening is for everyone in tough times. Especially so for servants of the population.
Conclusion:
-I see some floor crossing soon. Liberals to Conservative ranks. I would not be surprized (And it would be smart for him) Ignatieff moves with a Government role in the front bench.
– The coalition will die before year’s end and Rae has just kissed him wanting to coming back into politics goodbye by declaring himself the coalition “leader”.
– Jan. 26 budget will not contain massive spending like Layton and Dion wants. We will have the already tabled infrastructure dollars and a few stimulus to auto and forestry more so in the form of worker career retraining: Can’t build cars or houses nobody wants.
I suspect the political public financing to parties will be in it but with a more consilatory phase out instead of initial Apr 09 cut off.
Public labour unions will also be put on notice with maybe a bit less of a time frame for strike ban.
If an election is triggered anyway by budget defeat, The Conservatives, based on today’s standing are poised to win a majority with extra seats coming from BC, Toronto and even Montreal where Liberals will go Conservatives.
With or without Quebec, a majority is imminent.
Dion and Layton are toast.
And finally, unlike the MSM would like you to believe, Stephen Harper’s leadership and role as Conservative boss is not in danger. Like the french would say, “Au contraire”.
Pay attention those calling for Harper`s resignation: When Kate puts a sign up on her site saying ” Stay Steffi Stay ” that means she wants him to stay because she wants Liberals to lose and he`s a loser.
Using that same logic, when liberals call for Harper to quit, that means they really think he is a winner and that`s not good for them.
We see that easily—don`t you guys ever think—you seem to put the same thought into your writings as your bodily functions.
As a Reformer and reluctant Con, who did not vote for Kim Campbell (& I sent her a letter telling her why well before the election), I agree Harper has to go. He should go straight to to an election while he has this support. Good time to teach the socialists & MSM a lesson. He won’t get many more chances.
Actually, as a professor with a PhD in Canadian history, that’s exactly what I’d say. We elect MPs. These MPs decide if a government has the support of Parliament. It’s a wacky thing, this Westminster parliamentary system, but that’s exactly how it works.
Steve Janke has one of the best lines I have read for awhile.
“I wonder if Gilles Duceppe has promised Bob Rae the leadership of the Liberal Party once Stephane Dion is disposed of.”
I am still laughing.
Puppet Stephane Dion: Blows his big chance; annoys his boss
http://stevejanke.com/archives/279171.php
I see Rae is now out promoting the Coalition so maybe Steve got it right.
Rae’s battle cry will be “Coalition values are Candian values.”
Columnists are still writing about Harper’s “blunder”. Do they know what is going on?
Did they not read the polls?
The Coalition is dead.
Dion is finished.
Layton must be wondering if he was smart in bragging about his deal with the Bloc and his members must be looking at Layton out of the corner of their eyes.
Duceppe wanted to leave Federal politics a year ago or so. His dream of skimming the Treasury for all that money is dead.
I think we could have new leaders of all three opposition parties by this time next year.
Is it just me or aren’t people getting tired of hearing the Talking Heads from MSM saying “Harper should resign and they should get a new leader.” Almost crying on air. I have now switched them off completely. The problem I see is that he is far too competent a leader for them and much NICER. Most of us are proud when he goes to G20’s, G7’s or whatever and represents us Canadians. Hope he stays in his job and the Talking Heads finally get that the majority of us want him. Can you imagine “Flapper Mouth Layton” at one of those conferences. It would be totally embarassing as would our Sask. Liberal – Ralph Goodale. Today I say “Many Thanks” it did not happen as these bozos wanted it to. Oh yes, and I am also tired of hearing about poor Quebec – there are 9 other provinces in this union plus the Territories.
Note People: There is an orchestrated campaign underway which I believe is being instigated by Bob Rae and the coalition cous cous that goes like this:
Harper must go!! He caused this whole mess!!!
It is letters to the editor, blogs, blah blah talking head elites – some of which say “I was a conservative but Harper has lost my vote. Harper has caused thhis worldwide economic problem. The coalition will save you.
Harper bad. Bob Rae good. Coalition – your saviours. All you downtrodden – overthrow the conservatives if you want to save your job, your home, your pensions, your country.
Sickening that there are even media, so called smart people, who parrot this.
I grieve for my country don’t you?
I must confess I voted for Kim but I have an excuse,I was well juiced and suffering from dementia.
“I voted for Kim Campbell”
Yeah, well Albertans didn’t.
(the really funny part was when Hedy Fry ate Kim Campbell’s lunch) 🙂
William you are right on and Roscoe and others who think Harper must go: You watch too much MSM or your lack of political instinct is sorely exposed.
Harper just reinforced his party. He has gained true respect by being tough and uncompromising in his beliefs. In tough times, Canadians admire a tough leader.
In tough times, people’s instinct naturally turn right wing in thinking. In other words, it might be a “buyers markets” on deals like homes and other purchases but at the same time it is not a “lefties market”. Pie in the sky spending on feel good ideologies like “climate crisis” (Dizzy Lizzy’s favorite line) and national daycare programs take a back seat big time.
BTW, like Dion, Rae and Layton, Lizzy May is toast too. She has chewed her last MSM free reign of Harper bashing.
Why do Conservatives have to please Liberals, NDP, BLOQ, Greens, media, university professors, pollsters etc. Isn’t the choice of leader up to party members? I certainly do not expect to have a say in the election of the new Liberal leader – I have a preference of course but its not based on altruism – these are partisan picks. If the people of Canada disagree – then they get to turf the bums and elect the other party. Politics is a blood sport and the weak are discarded to the dustbin of history.
mark bourrie – well, I’m a PHD as well, in societal structures and information systems, and I say that your notion that we elect MPs and they then do exactly what they want – is competely wrong.
We have a representative government; this means that those MPs don’t act as themselves; they represent us. That means that they can’t do what they want; they must do what we want. That’s why we have elections. Not to simply send some individual up to Ottawa, free as a bird, to make whatever random choices they want, without any accountability.
Our wrath should not be directed at Dion.
He is merely the personification of the term ‘useful idiot,’ intelligent but not too smart.
As the days pass, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that Jack Layton, with the support of Big Labour, is the mastermind behind this putsch.
Unless Iggy (another university professor, BTW) wakes up and sees that the NDP is attempting to swallow the Liberal Party with the help of Trojan Horses like Bob Rae, he will look around and see a country his ancestors fled.
Iggy’s grandparents could not stop the marxists that turned Russia into the Soviet Union. Is he smart enough to not let history repeat itself?
Now, we’re seeing a deliberate attempt to demonize Harper, the economist who actually knows what he’s doing. I’m listening to it right now on the Rutherford show.
Curiously, Harper received more votes than than any of the other party leaders and absolutely kicked Layton, whose party received 18% of the votes.
Are we ready for Prime Minister Layton? Think it can’t happen?
Think again.
As a wise person noted in an article I read the other day, the Bloc shouldn’t be called separatists, but the shake-down party. After all, he pointed out, every other separatist group within the last 20 years has actually separated, where the Bloc use it as a tool to shake down Cdns for their precious tax dollars, all the while thumbing their noses at us.
According to Licia Corbella, over $5M is sent to Quebec for electioneering purposes. Are we crazy or what~!
I’m just hoping that the coalition hangs on long enough to force another election. The best thing would be to see those two assholes lose their seats, along with the complete evisceration of the lieberal and DP parties.
With apologies to Monty Python:
Brave Sir Stephen ran away – (No!)
Bravely ran away, away – (I didn’t!)
When danger reared its ugly head
He bravely turned his tail and fled – (No!)
Yes, brave Sir Stephen turned about
And gallantly he chickened out
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat
Bravest of the brave, Sir Stephen
It’s obvious that the NDP-Liberals are setting up a campaign against Harper.
The strategy is to have people write in to papers and blogs, with two points: they’ll claim that ‘I’m a lifelong Conservative but am now quitting the party because of Harper…”
Rubbish; that individual is a lifelong NDPer or Liberal who is working to help their party grab power – and the NDP/Liberals want Harper out because he prevents them from betraying democracy and grabbing power.
Notice how this Coalition told us that it consists of over 62% of Canadians. Lie. No-one voted for the coalition. That’s over 100% DID NOT VOTE for it.
They’ve simply merged all the opposition parties. Heh – what about the 78% who didn’t vote for Dion? And the 82% who didn’t vote for Layton?
Then, they tell us that Harper is ‘against Quebec’. Nonsense; remember, he had that Motion passed that ‘the Quebecois are a nation within a united Canada’.
But he is certainly against the Coalition’s use of the Bloc, which is electorally isolated from over 80% of Canadians, to ensure that their Coalition doesn’t go to an election. Harper has saved our democratic rights.
And he is against the Coalition’s setting up the Bloc as the vetting agency in the House of Commons, which would make ALL MPs votes irrelevant unless approved by the Bloc. How’s that for democracy?
So, the tactic now, is to hide what they did under the rugs, by claiming that Harper is evil. When, if we want to talk about morality and ethics, it’s the Coalition who are immoral and unethical.
“Any actual intelligence left at Canadian universities is most likely to be found in the Engineering department.”
I personally have to deal with engineers on a daily basis. My one knock against most of them is they’re not very good double loop learners. Rarely do they admit failure, rather they choose to externalize problems.
They may learn the price of concrete but when the bridge falls down they’ll blame the contractor or the concrete provider. The contract specifications they write are full of ‘weasel’ words and clauses which should qualify them as politicians.
ET : absolutly correct if 62% did not vote for Harper(CPC) then 250% didn’t vote for Dion(78%),Layton(82%),Duceppe(90%).That the coalition was turned down by 250 % of voters, now those are impressive numbers. BTW -Iberia, you spelled Stephane,s name wrong.
Not Stirred said: “Now folks imagine for a minute that conservatives actually had a moral compass. Imagine conservatives had compassion.”
Let me tell you the difference between the conservative mind and the liberal mind, Stirred. And I’m not talking Consertvative or Liberal Party mind.
I’m going to be standing in the cold for three hours today, just as I do three days a week. I’ll be shaking those bells on behalf of the Sally Ann. Meanwhile, last night some low life scumbags cut through iron bars on the door of the Vancouver Sally Ann, stealing $25K worth of toys and food. Even more of the frozen food that wasn’t wanted, was scattered on the floors and had to be thrown out.
The conservative mind calls them thieves and scumbags who need to be thrown in jail. The liberal mind, in this case the Sally Ann spokesman, described the thieves as ‘victims’ who should be forgiven because he was concerned for their ‘conscience’. He did not understand that not only were the ‘clients’ of the Sally Ann and Sally Ann were victims, but me too.
Why should I take valuable time out of my day week after week. to freeze my butt off, only to have some ‘victim’ cut through bars – not exactly a thoughtless ‘crime of opportunity’ and then have him publically forgiven as a ‘victim’.
Sure, the liberal mind will call it generosigty of spirit. I’ll call it obvious stupidity and the ignoring of reality.
Mark B.,
Ulm, kinda right and yet to simple an answer. The canadian variant, which includes parties, not caucuses electing leaders and those leaders taking up the respective positions is just one of the complications.
What happened to Thatcher can’t happen to Steffi, this is the problem the Liberals face. So it isnt that simple.
Secondly, the convention in Canada is that the largest number of seats by party is who the government is, this has been broken once or twice…in King Byng King was the existing PM who came back with less, but leveraged his position as existing PM to get his chance, more on this in a second. There was talk of this in 72 but Trudeau was able to squeak out 2 more seats than the PC’s. Trudeau also would have had the advantage of incumbency.
Being PM matters, the GG has one advisor at a time and by default accepts his/her advice unless there is a good reason not to. Good reasons are very hard to come by, none have been found yet and King Byng served to show that it should be undertaken with extreme caution. Default being the office of the sovereign would rather hear from the people over turning down the PM’s judgement.
The UK is different. The UK has a longer tradition of chnging based on reconfigurations in the House. Different country, different culture. They are able to depose PM’s if the ruling caucus doesnt like the PM, per Major’s takeover from Thatcher.
I would say that the UK has moved on to a point that even a change of parties based on coalition without an election would be very difficult to do now, although more likely in the UK than Canada.
Essentially, it aint as simple as you say, and with the Bloc reality intrudes to negate what might be a jsutifiable switch in other situations.
The coalition can state the fact that the Bloc memebers are legitimate and duly elected memebers all it wants, but this isnt about math it is about legitimacy and the Bloc is not seen as a desirable nor legitimate long term, as opposed to single issue, decider of governments. That is the reality, the fact that Westminster isnt just about math and mechanics is part of the reason it is a good and enduring system.
The Queen never wants to utter the words, In My Judgement, because those may be the last words uttered as Queen.
No Guff,
I’m a liberal and I call them theives. Find them, prosecute them and then throw their sorry asses in jail where they belong.
Don’t let a small bunch of total jerks sway you from doing the good work you’re doing.
Post by: uuess at December 5, 2008 8:46 AM
Now that is a very astute analogy about the political parties, senate and the bureaucracy of Canada. The Conservatives are trying to cut unnecessary programs and is receiving this sh*t for their troubles.
Post by: ET at December 5, 2008 10:32 AM
Thanks ‘ET’. There is something going on and right now it is murky. I think that you stated on a previous post about the ‘Centrists’ from each of the 3 minority party breaking off and forming their own party.
Post by: Right Honorable Terry Tory; Yes it has woke up Canadians to where there money is going. Keep exposing this fact PMSH.
I agree 100% with ET, above.
But Adler, in trying to make a good point, is, I believe, missing the bigger point. The NDP, Bloc, and Liberals did receive actual votes. Hypothetical scenarios don’t work for this example when there is no chance of them ever being a reality. The scenario he’s dreamed up did not occur, and never would, because Canadians wouldn’t give it anywhere near the support the coalition has. No vote went that way. He might as well be saying “imagine if axe murderers from Pluto got together with venusian brain suckers, blah blah blah. Then these professors would see things differently, and that’s not fair.”
I believe Adler’s trying to point out that the professors support the coalition’s right to govern because it’s aligned with their left wing views (and I agree). However, they are making the argument that it’s real votes that they are counting, irrespective of party, and there’s no getting around that argument using Adler’s methodology.
I’m more with ET’s 0% voted for a coalition.
I think Layton is the biggest loser in this sad affair. Rather than replacing a wounded Liberal party and their abysmally weak leader, he has instead become their subsidiary. This will cost him votes big time, especially in the West.
In doing so, Layton has achieved something many thought highly improbably – he has caused people who voted NDP to consider/actually vote for the Conservatives.
That would have been unthinkable before this affair. Bob Rae is also making a monumental error, by trying for personal power under the Liberal mantle, frankly with little chance of succeeding (can anyone imagine GG refusing dissolution request, given obvious public sentiment – she is on record as saying she can’t make these decisions in a vacuum). He has blurred the lines between Libs and NDP, especially given his previous pedigree.
Harper may have made an error that, in some ways, will hurt his credibility, but he has managed to garner political support, and thus currency, with this monumental error in judgement on the part of the Liberals and NDP.
I suspect he will gather strength by reaching out to many quarters of Canadian political life, thereby ensuring a strong majority in the next election, whenever it happens. If Rae’s cross country tour gets him the result he wants, he will be forced to fight an election with Dion as his leader (something he must loathe), tied to the NDP, with both parties bleeding support to the Conservatives (except in Quebec of course).
Duceppe seems the master tactician of them all. He stirs the pot, and will be the recipient of more seats in parliament as a result.
I live in Vancouver and want to know what time on the sixth is the rally if it’s still on?
“F” You lberia.
Get your own schtick, nothing funny about a serial rapist murderer and his petty politics, you probably can’t even do the Ministry of Funny Walks properly.
Funnily
Monty Python
I wonder when the Liberal Party will wake up and realize that the tiny NDP is infiltrating and very quickly taking over and pulling the strings.
I think what most of you here are saying is ;
“Meaning Canadians are in the process of rejecting the propoganda of mainstream talking heads and pundits – perhaps for good. If you want the pulse of the nation, talk radio is where it’s at, baby. In all of this mess, they were the only ones who got it right. ”
It’s Ministry of Silly Walks, you boob.
lookout
excellent comment, but let me help you out a little in your phrasing
“””” He may not be perfect, but he’s head and shoulders above the bloodthirsty pack””””
TO
“”””he’s head and shoulders above the bloodthirsty pack but he is only human””””
and it is questionable whether the sames same can be said about the “bloodthirsty pack”:-))))
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and as to replacing Harper,why, he was only repesenting conservative values, for which he was re-elected
t’is about time we revisited our constitution and rectified that trudeau “document”
Hey Burrie,
You notice the only time the second party uses the also ran parties to steal power from the first place party is when the second place party is the liberals?
Not once have the usurper scumbags been anything but liberal. And their co-conspirators have been either the “progressives” or the NDP.
As an aside, who were the logic-challenged idiots to merge the “progressives” with the conservatives to begin with?
Adler wrote a very good article. My complements to him. He actually nailed it this time with his analogy theme.
Your on a roll ‘ET’ with this statement; We have a representative government; this means that those MPs don’t act as themselves; they represent us. That means that they can’t do what they want; they must do what we want. That’s why we have elections. Not to simply send some individual up to Ottawa, free as a bird, to make whatever random choices they want, without any accountability.
Keep it coming because it’s there and has to be exposed. We have to get this out to Canadians.
I cannot for the life of me believe the number of trolls here today calling for Harper to step down. Here is the man that has been castigated by the MSM and the opposition and yet he was able to unite a fractured right after the Mulroney government. He brought the Reform, the Alliance , and the PC all together into the CPC. He did this in short order and now the MSM want him to resign. This same MSM want everybody in Parliament to work co-operatively well here we have a leader that has proven that he can do the job and they are still pounding on him. He knew what the opposition had in mind and knew that it was constitutionally illegal and he worked to a solution the let them off the hook and the MSM are saying he shot himself in the foot. If you believe that Steven Harper is anything like the picture the MSM and the opposition are painting then you don’t deserve to live in a FREE Canada, but don’t ask me or the rest of Canadians that can think for themselves to acquiesce to the usurption of power that is evidently underway by the NDP, Liberals and the Bloc in this country. We have sat back for too long and now we have a leader that we can rally behind and declare, excuse me for borrowing this phrase,”Never Again” Now that the enemy has been identified we can muster the troops and gird for war. We didn’t want this but you and your ilk have no qualms about stealing our heritage and our country and so we will now rise up to defend it once again.
Phantom:
Before engineers in Canada and the US graduate, they go through (or at least used to..) the “Iron Ring” ceremony, where an unattractive wrought iron ring is put on the little finger of their writing hand. The ring is purported to be made of the remains of a bridge that fell down due to poor engineering, and is meant to be a constant reminder that when an engineer gets something wrong – and that’s wrong as judged against the immutable and unforgiving laws of physics and nature, not the the wavering and mutable standards of liberal arts professors – there’s a good chance people can die. So, yeah, we do try to get things correct.
But for med students – well, I roomed with a med student while I studied engineering. On Thursday nights, if I had my problem sets done and no tests on Friday, I’d head out with my fellow frat buddies for a night on the town. Not so my roomie – I would come home around midnight, and find him hunched over a book, memorizing nerves, and bones, and dosages, and symptoms, etc. He did pretty well at school, and more than once I asked him to come out with us, but he always declined. Towards the end of the year, I asked him why he always said “No” (he was a pretty good student, and in no danger of failing). His reply: “I’d hate it if one day I prescribed the wrong drug, or missed a diagnosis, and someone died because I decided to go drinking.”
I have a lot of respect for med students. I think they understand responsibility just as much as engineers.
“It’s obvious that the NDP-Liberals are setting up a campaign against Harper.”
“The strategy is to have people write in to papers and blogs, with two points: they’ll claim that ‘I’m a lifelong Conservative but am now quitting the party because of Harper…”” – ET
Why not fire off the same to the Liberal MSM?
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Letter to the editor:
I am a lifelong Liberal and I say Dion must go for the sake of the party. He is more of a threat than Stephen Harper.
Though, I fear the damage may already be done.
How will we ever recover any credibility as a federalist party? Or, as a party of the centre?
How will we ever expand our support west of Toronto?
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See, it’s easy.
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The NDP/Liberal coalition, as they themselves call it, is not a coalition. They do not have the seats.
For it to be a legitimate coalition, the Bloc must join them in the proposed government. Third party support and holding the balance of power through blackmail should not and must not qualify.
Why is this not being legally challenged?
To wade into this debate over whether or not Harper should go, I see it this way. Harper is the best Conservative leader we have seen in my lifetime. Unfortunately, he will never win a majority. If he can’t utterly destroy Stephane Dion, his prospects aren’t going to get any better against Rae or Ignatieff.
RM,
After this fiasco, I wouldn’t write off a harper majority even without Quebec.
And yes, Harper is the best PM of my lifetime.
RM:
I’ve put 200 bucks on Harper wins a majority with my son.
If bringing issues to a head is a crime in the ‘progressive’ world, then it’s no wonder they see him as a threat.
Remember a couple of days ago when the coalition talking point was that the grassroots reaction was actually astroturf of Conservative operatives?
It’s quite clear they are using their false accusation as a justification for their own conduct to astroturf the strongest leader Canada has seen in decades.
Kinda reminds me of when my sister called my dad ‘mean’ when she was disciplined for doing something out of line.
This Mr. Mean line is meant to appeal to those with immature worldviews. ‘Give me your children, then I will take your world.”
Please tell me where I’m wrong.
Jim in Ottawa
Jim you are no conservative! The opening line for almost every socialist is…” I’m a conservative but…, or I usually vote Conservative but…” In truth you and your type are trying to be a “wolf in sheep’s clothing” but your sheep outfit is one of those crappy Halloween costumes at the department store made out of garbage bags.
Off the record many people claim this all started with Harper’s musing about eliminating the $1.95 political subsidy. Liberals admitted that the opposition parties need the money because of their financial difficulties.
The opposition officially claims the crisis is because the government hasn’t come forward with a bailout for the automotive industry and others.
To paraphrase:
The three parties that can not financially manage their own organizations, would like to form government so they can send your money to companies that can not financially manage their own organizations; because, the party that can financially manage their organization is not qualified to to handle the finances of the country.
Interested in the headline on page A4 of today’s National Post “East and west deeply divided,’ I read on.
Imagine my surprise that Ontario is now considered part of the west.
Welcome aboard, pardners!
I’ve been to Ottawa many times and can attest once you get outside of Parliament Hill, there are many people who hold Western Canadian values.
Help our new brothers in nation-building deliver as many of the 49 seats still held by the socialist hordes to assure the Conservative Party gets a majority in the March, 2009 election.
That way, my son will have to pay me the 200 bucks he’d owe me.