Update: NDP conference call audio is now on Youtube courtesy Stephen Taylor.
Blow up the Hill…
The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois had a secret plan to form a coalition party well before the opposition’s uproar over the government’s fiscal update, CTV News has learned.
NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a “considerable period of time,” reported CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife.
Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.
“Let’s just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn’t been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early,” Layton says. “Because, you couldn’t put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago.”
He then goes on to say that the NDP “spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly.”
Update: Stephen Taylor has the transcript of the NDP conference call.
Update 2 – Signs arise of a rift between the Loser Who Would Be King and the Heir Apparent…
Antenor: “As a result he leads a revolt within the Liberal party and takes some “Blue” Liberals” — interesting surmising. I also have been wondering about “cooler heads” in the Liberal party (or even the Bloc)agreeing to cross the floor. Having set that a separate faction of Liberals (possibly lead by Iggy) that forms a coalition with the CPC might be the intelligent way to go to both avoid this nastiness . . . and I think possibly bring Liberals back on track. Unfortunately, I just don’t know how many cool heads there are in the Liberal party these days . . . though I tend to think that Iggy must be one. Rae is more likely to go for the power grab. Canadians and possibly Liberals stand to be devastated by this. The West and most moderate Canadians will be outraged.
The other useful thing about an IGGY lead faction and CPC coalition would be that I think such a coalition would help keep Harper’s more draconian instincts in check. I like him — a lot — but reaction of many people to what he does is often too volatile. Even the latest getting rid of funding is not a bad idea . . . just bad timing (it would appear.) A coalition could help soften Harper a bit, reassure moderate Liberals and keep things nicely balance in the centre . . . where Harper is most of the time anyway.
The CTV gal is saying that PMSH wrote a letter to the GG in 2004 requesting that she recognize a coalition rather than calling an election on former PM Paulie II. At the time (for those who have forgotten), the public affairs committee was looking for the crooks in the Adscam crimes. Liberanos were stonewalling the committee but the opposition were getting close to unearthing the stolen millions from Canadian taxpayers. The Dippers and Blocheads were out for blood against the Liberanos (all Canadians had been LIED to and had been victims of a giant $$ hoist by the Liberanos). The GG refused to allow the Public Affairs committee to continue their work for Canadians, she saved PaulieII and his gang of thieves from the jailhouse by doing PaulieII’s bidding and calling an election. All Canadians lost BILLIONS and the retribution we were entitled to…GG was the same one that is in now.
As suggested by another commentator, on another thread, the GG must have been in the loop, else why the confidence of the three little piggies? This was cooked up a long time ago (probably before the last election) methinks by the evil Carbon credit people – the Unca Mo crowd who want those $$ flowing and who want access to those secret Trust Funds, with Billions stashed full of $$ from the $$ –for- oil set up with Saddam Hussain/UN – it was starving the Iraqi people but the $$ made via the Americans and British (not in the loop) were all that concerned the Liberanos and their MASTER Unca Mo.
The MSM must be getting a kick back from Unca Mo to keep pushing this world slavery agenda (and the American MSM too!) – Kyotee -…Lenin and Stalin had labels for such low ilk…’Useful Idiots’. We can thank Heaven for the Internet and for sites like SDA…and for that Conservative insider who heard it all.
The ‘three little piggies’ are Traitors and criminals, IMO…all who support them are also traitors and criminals. Inductive logic tells me so (that includes the shrills at the MSM).
Iggy said in an interview that he had nothing to do with this coalition plan, leaving it to one with a motive like Dion. Dion took the election loss hard, and Bob Rae also seems open to any idea which might get him back in the corridors of power.
A corresponding CPC / Blue Liberal coalition would save the country from whatever havoc would be wreaked by the left-wing cabal. This would be a quick solution to a dangerous dilemma and would help Mr. Harper restore some credibility if it was brokered by him.
No doubt the police will get involved, recording phone calls isn’t exactly legal…hope that whoever did it isn’t hoping to be re-elected in six months time…
randal g: How the hell did that happen?
According to Corus News, the Conservatives recorded an NDP conference call after they were sent the code by mistake.
Bolshevikgate?
This is good news…
I would accept a temporary liberal-npd-bloc coalition in order to block that evil person called Stephen Harper.
Harper has failed. He must resign. He must go back to Alberta and build the firewall. We had enough of him.
Surprise, surprise. Taliban Jack conspires a coup d’etat with the separatists.What a joke.
Macleans has a partial transcript of the conference call.
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/
Everyone remember how a group of Alliance members left the party and sat independantly? This is what needs to happen among Liberals. They already have deep divisions in the party. Iggy sitting on his own with a group of supporters would have opportunity to show leadership (while all around him are behaving irrationally and impulsively — a sure turn-off for Canadians). I think it would give him a leg-up on the leadership race and the Libs a better chance in the next election. I am not personally interested in Libs doing better in the next election, but the immediate problem is how to bring about a sensible resolution and stability. A Lib faction could do this.
Quebecois Separatiste, your party is funded by a larger percentage of taxpayer subsidies than any party in this country, and that is the main reason Mr. Harper’s idea to cut off that type of funding is a good one. You are free to support your ideology of separation with your own money, but the rest of us aren’t keen on supporting the breakup of our country.
In the meantime, we’re sick of Quebec dictating its’ terms to the rest of the country, despite receiving more special treatment than any other province in Canadian history, and never once being grateful for it. The best news of all would be cutting off your federal cash flow to the Bloc and watching you snivel back to the trough with a little humility. You make me sick.
We, Quebecois Separatiste, have had enough of YOU.
LindaL, from the comments from the Liberal trolls here you realize that there is no such thing as a “cooler headed” Liberal, they are calculting opportunists much like sharks. I think there are enough of them, a dozen or so that can see the writing on the wall if this tri-party coup d’etat takes place. They are smart enough to realize that governments cannot create jobs. Governments can only foster a climate where jobs can be created. Taliban Jack wants to tax the rich and the corporations, great incentive for money to stay in Canada, (remember Paul Martin and CSL) the Liberals want more money, (the brown lunch bags aren’t nearly as attractive when there’s no ‘lettuce’ in them) and the Bloc want whatever they can coerce from the RoC. This ‘manage-a ‘trois’ if it comes to pass would dig Canada into a hole so deep that we’d never get out. I think that there are enough “Blue” Liberals that know this and will cross the floor for their own survival.
jema 54 – that letter written by the NDP, the CPC and the Bloc did not suggest that the GG recognize a coalition. It only suggested that she consider all options. These would include calling an election – which the Martin govt was refusing to do.
As for the GG being ‘in’ on this NDP hidden agenda, I strongly doubt this. That would be treason.
I think that it’s Layton’s hidden agenda, and the coalition ought to be named as NDP-Liberal, not the other way around. I think that Layton’s agenda, which is hardly new, is to get rid of the Liberal party and replace them with the NDP. He had to do it before theg got a new leader, and he also had to use a ‘confidence vote’.
He made the earlier deal with the Bloc, because he knew that the NDP-Liberal coalition still wasn’t enough votes. But he certainly wasn’t going to attempt to merge with the Quebec default party! He did, however, use the Bloc – probably promising them money, money..which is all the Bloc is interested in.
But the party to be very afraid, now, is the Liberal Party. They have a choice; either be swallowed by Layton The Wolf, or refuse, and regain some integrity, rebuild their party, get a new leader, and develop some policies.
Let’s not let the media take our eyes off the ball here folks.
The troika coalition to dump the conservatives consists of three leftist partys.
Should they as a coalition become the government, Canada will have a de facto communist regime in place.
Be very careful folks.
Are you Western Canadians paying close enough attention?
Speaking of media I have concluded that GloeMedia across the corporate entitiy are pumping leftist shi*, equal to CBC and the Toronto Star!
“What about the legitimacy of the democratic process, yeah, what about it?” – Jack Layton.
What a good read over at Stephen Taylor. The whole transcript is up.
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/
Jack Layton …you SON-OF-A-BITCH !!!!
Speaking of media I have concluded that GLOBEMEDIA across the corporate entitiy are pumping leftist shi*, equal to CBC and the Toronto Star!
I don’t know if anyone wants to give her the click-through traffic when the transcript will be released soon enough, undoubtedly, but Kady O’Malley has a transcript at her Maclean’s blog:
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/
I’d rather not give her the traffic, especially when she’s more concerned about how the PMO made the recording than its contents, but for those who can’t wait, go ahead.
Sorry, TimR, I missed your earlier link to the same item.
Most logical comment so far:
jckirlan at November 30, 2008 3:34 PM
we are going to exchange CDN for American USD on monday. Perhaps you should too.
International banks are already jittery, they are looking for a safe, stable haven for their money. Canada just became banana republic status. The foreign banks holding Canadian bonds do NOT like uncertainty, they certainly do not like investing in a socialist paradise. Look for a run on the canuck buck, we are all about to get poorer.
Thanks to Jackoff, the guy is a megalomaniac, remember the election campaign when he was boasting he was applying to be the next prime minister, 18.2% of the vote, worked out well huh! If commies cannot achieve their aims legitimately they will do it by force and subterfuge. And the clueless lieberals will go along.
Jackoff and Gilles have been plotting to overthrow the country, because they will never achieve leadership status with their combined 28.2% of the overall vote (and going nowhere).
These are dangerous times. Free the West.
could Deyawn be going along with this to destroy the liberals, as they did not support him (his fellow MPs) during the election. He will lose the leadership of the party anyways, so maybe payback?????
and as far as the coalition goes, it ain’t a coalition of a greater number without the Bloc in formally, so it would go to court, mark my word!!!
even that fool Ted, who claims to be a lawyer, could see the need to settle such a matter in a court, plus it would be a bonus to Steve, as the final decision will not be his.
now if the liberals would make it a rule that only the one person amongst them, who has the turn with the single liberal brain, would try and think and comment, they may even sound like they have a smidgen of intelligence
I’m guessing that the Brad refered to at the end of the transcript is Brad Lavigne. He was thoughtful enough to share his email address.
brad@ndp.ca
So the Bloc want to seperate from Canada and the Libs and DIPS want to seperate us from our money. They are a match made in heaven, err I mean the other place where Liberals and Dippers go.
The money quote.
Jack Layton: “The Coalition for Canada and Quebec,” (lots of laughter).
Wow!!
The twelve NDP members from western Canada just lost their seats. I’ve know quite a few NDP types out west and they always regarded the Bloc / PQ as traitors. This is unbelievable.
funny how bob fife goes from a despised buffoon, amongst you lot, to a respected first rate journalist when the message suits. conservatives release an illegally obtained taped phone call to CTV and it’s the god’s truth? harper gets caught on tape admitting he tried to bribe chuck cadman and you all b#itch about tampering and media bias.
what utter b@llsh*t.
I agree with Joe Molner, “be careful”
What I’m hearing in Toronto from even Conservative supporters is that this is the second crisis in a couple of months and they perceive this one was caused by the CPC.
The first Crisis this fall had really scared people, it is an economic crisis, it is financial and much value has been suddenly lost in the market .. there has been a meltdown. The TSX got cut in half over the past few months from over 15,000 to 7647.
The mega-city crowd did not have any capacity to handle Crisis II , which is a meltdown of government.
So this is the second meltdown and Bay St likes status quo, it likes certainty, as little change as possible. Maybe that’s why many on Bay St vote Liberal, they think 13 years of doing nothing is better than shaking things up.
The West is hardier; it is used to bad weather and bad crops. Toronto is not used to these tough times. Toronto is a media center. The media is firing people.
As Joe said, “be careful”
Thanks for the correction ET, I had forgotten that PaulieII had cancelled opposition days…but the request was NOT granted and the election was called by PaulieII himself as he blubbered on TV that he would call an election 2 weeks after the Gomery Report. He was brought down 2 weeks early but that was the deal. What do you think the deal is this time? Dippers/Blocistas/Deyawnidites seemed pretty confident.
Robert, McClelland, if Harper is playing checkers, how did opposition checkmate themselves with blundering coalition idea?
Jack has a woody,Dion is drooling,and Gilles is holding up a ‘for rent’ sign. As the quebec separatiste said ” He must go back to Alberta and build the firewall. We had enough of him.” Be very careful of what you wish for. If this skullduggery goes down the way the 3 little piggies have planned,Harper may retreat to the west. And the west will retreat out of Canada. Then who will pay for your child-care,sidewalk snow removal,language police and all those other goodies that you enjoy so much. A western separation movement will be serious,not like the quebec blackmail scheme that has been going on for years.You see,we have the money.It’s not like we mind sharing so much,it’s that we don’t like being buggered while our pockets are being picked.
Quebecois Separatiste A.K.A. Quebec Separatist
Dear Mr./Ms. Separatist:
The only evil here is your own blatant and immoral self-interest, as you take money from other Canadians to plot the your separatist pipe dream. You’ll never really separate: you want to stamp and snivel just enough to take more of our money. Quebec is different from Canada, but, you know what? We’re different out here in the West too, just as former PM Chretien pointed out, only he wasn’t too happy having to deal with our “difference.”
So, please, make our day and separate so we don’t have to listen to our deal with you and your like any more.
WHY oh why are we sending our money to the East any more, while they continually slap us around with their regional self-interest? Canada’s confederation appears to be an abusive relationship, and The West should stop deluding itself that the relationship is anything but damaging to us. Central Canada, what have you done for us lately?
I could be wrong but I suspect that by Wednesday or Thursday the Conservatives, Liberals, NDP and Bloc will all be looking for a way to save face from this.
I wouldn’t be surprised that (after a 2 year American election, several federal elections in the past few years) Canadians are fairly tired of politics and just want the government to disapear for a little while. They (generally) don’t care about party financing and are not big fans of the extreme bailouts that were happening south of the border. I’m willing to bet that for every letter or email that they receive in favour of their current stance each politician will get 10 letters or emails telling them to shut up and get back to work.
Westerner,we think alike,or were you peeking over my shoulder as I typed.Heh….
jeff davidson – the tape of Harper wasn’t any declaration of bribing Cadman. Kindly get your facts straight.
Again, I maintain that this scenario is about Layton attempting to demolish the Liberal party. If the Liberals merge with Layton’s NDP, they are finished as a separate party. There wouldn’t even be a need for a leadership contest for them! It would be over; they’d be an arm of the NDP, just as the Bloc would be the other arm, with Layton controlling both of them.
Again, if the Liberals have any integrity, any care for Canadians, and any care for their party, they’ll throw Layton overboard.
And get back to work on the economy rather than playing “Let’s Play Paint War’.
Politics has been called “the art of the possible”
While I applaud the conservatives on their fiscal update it is obvious that their effort to reduce party funding was clumsy.
Perhaps this speech has resonance today
Oliver Cromwell’s Speech on the Dissolution of the Long Parliament
Given to the House of Commons
20 April 1653
It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your
contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew, and
enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Esau sell
your country for a mess of pottage, and like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have
no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience
for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defil’d this sacred place, and turn’d the Lord’s temple into a den
of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the
whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d, are yourselves gone!
So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors. In the name of God, go!
And the country was governed by a benevolent dictator.
I agree with Joe..a de facto communist govt will be the result of a virtual putsch in Ottawa.I don’t give a damn whether it is Ed Broadbent, Jack Layton, Stephane Dion, Elizabeth May or Gilles Duceppe.Once a Marxist, always a Marxist.
It is now plainly evident that there is no clear delineation between the four leftist parties in our country.Through decades of political indoctrination from the left, and infiltration of our civil service and preparatory schools, the left have paved the way for a seizure of power.
Will the GG show her communist/separatist roots and side with the troika? Have we been had, as it were, in regards to her political loyalty?
We are being set up folks, for a communist coup, brokered by those with no say, to be kept in power by Marxist traitors from Quebec and funded by power corp.
If this goes through, i am afraid we are going to see riots in the streets, and bloodshed.
I hope Brad Wall and Stelmach are having their own conference call as to when to pull the plug on these commies. I think it is already a given that the “Stooges” will look to the West for oil and resource money to feed their Socialist agenda.
The West must consider separation. Harper’s fatal strategic error was not pursuing Ont. and BC voters more aggressively. Quebec should have been ignored and completely marginalized.
A VOTE FOR THE LIBERALS AND NDP IS A VOTE FOR THE SEPARISTS BLOC.
LIBERALS AND NDP BRING THE BLOC SEPARISTS TO POWER.
I think the GG has no option but to dissolve Parliament if the ‘troika’ goes to her with the coalition BS. The 300 million will be money well spent,otherwise there is a very good chance that Canada,as we know it,will be gone forever.Though that may not be all that unappealing to some.BTW,Iggy is on question period,he has bought in to the plot.
I’ll take Harper’s so called hidden agenda any day over the three stooges unbidden agenda.
luckily the Governor General doesnt have any separatist leanings or she couldnt in good concience declare an opposition coolition to be the government with a separatist component.
I think she may have to defer to her husbands advice.
ET said: “Again, if the Liberals have any integrity, any care for Canadians, and any care for their party, they’ll throw Layton overboard.”
Pretty faint hope there, ET. We know they have no integrity, their behavior since 1993 proves it. The guiding principal of the Liberals is “MINE MINE MINE!!!”
If they do manage to seize power with the connivance of Taliban Jack and the Blocheads, ooooh its going to get touchy around here.
Jack and Gilles want the Hill
and Dion came panting after.
Dion came down with half a toonie.
He was forever called a loonie.
I can’r see this working at all for anyone besides the Blocheads. The Libs will want no part of this; Rae and Ignatieff have their own egos & adgendas to attend to… and the dippers would have to kiss (most of) their seats in the West good-bye. This is just lefty scare tactics, wish Haper would have stood his ground.
I can’r see this working at all for anyone besides the Blocheads. The Libs will want no part of this; Rae and Ignatieff have their own egos & agendas to attend to… and the dippers would have to kiss (most of) their seats in the West good-bye. This is just lefty scare tactics, wish Haper would have stood his ground.
Lets call the coalition:
Le manage et’ trois Party, because all three can F#$K themselves.
I say carry with cutting off public funding for Politcal Parties. This proves contempt for this country and its citizens. Them getting into bed with a separtatist party that is bent on destroying this country (Now apparently the NDP wants to see if it ilegal for the Tory to have taped the meeting………like who gives a shit)
Drop the writ Harper, and make removing this public one of the main issues along others. After this…..the public will have enough of these bunch of losers basically playing selfish political games, which creates instability, when we are in economic unstable times.
This proves these others parties could actually give a flying F##k about your job and the economic security of this country. The only thing they care about is power for themselves, regardless.Furthermore….obtaining power without the consent of the Canadian people without an election.What more could you expect from a pack of socialist commies and a bunch of marxist separtists (After all…the Bloc leader was wrapped up with the marxists)
I say Harper………drop the writ and lets put this pack of losers out of their misery. You will not be able to govern effectively with these type of people across the floor.
If this goes to the GG (who icidently was mixed up with separatists) has the common sense to see this for what it is.
http://blog.macleans.ca/2008/11/30/none-dare-call-it-a-desperate-scramble-to-the-lowest-possible-moral-ground-to-stay-in-power/
The blogs over at Macleans have been in the tank for quite awhile but the above really takes the cake.
“(Bloc Leader) Gilles Duceppe only wants money for Quebec and doesn’t care what happens to the rest of the country,” [Gerry] Ritz said.
Interesting evaluation of Duceppe.
I wonder what Ritz was saying about him in the spring of 2007, when Harper was buying Duceppe’s support for the Conservative budget with a fortune in equalization payments, while breaking an equalization promise to Ritz’s home province.
Funnny how “plotting with the separatists” is never dastardly when Conservatives do it.
I’m with ET on this. If the Liberal Party is at all smart, they will run away from this coalition (with Layton as the puppetmaster) as quickly as possible. This tape will be damaging to Layton, and by revealing it quite likely to the Conservatives also. Distancing themselves from this is the Liberals best chance at renewal. But they are Liberals after all and we all know how they love to cling to power.
I can see Jack Layton playing a key role in setting things up months ago. The coalition idea is the only possible way that he can get a cabinet position. He has nothing to lose.
The Bloc has nothing to lose either. They get a chance to influence the government in an overt fashion that they are not getting now.
Dion has nothing to lose either. He might wind up as PM after all.
Iggy probably has serious misgivings about all of this. It derails his game plan to ease into the leadership spot in May and then take on Harper a few months after that. This is why he’s not exactly in the coalition cheering section. At the same time, he’s hedging his bets by not dumping cold water on the idea so that he at least gets a cabinet seat or possibly gets to be leader if this whole mess proceeds.
The Liberal Party has the most to lose here. If the coalition goes ahead, they are truly rolling the dice and pushing into totally uncharted territory. It’s anyone’s guess as to what the Canadian political landscape would look like a year from now. If Jack and Gilles wind up being undisputed puppet masters, the Liberal party could implode all on its own without any help from Harper. If things don’t go well for the Liberals in the coalition, they won’t be able to rely on the CPC to bail them out.