Update: NDP conference call audio is now on Youtube courtesy Stephen Taylor.
Blow up the Hill…
The New Democrats and Bloc Quebecois had a secret plan to form a coalition party well before the opposition’s uproar over the government’s fiscal update, CTV News has learned.
NDP Leader Jack Layton was in talks with Bloc Leader Gilles Duceppe for a “considerable period of time,” reported CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief Robert Fife.
Layton held a telephone-conference meeting with his caucus Saturday morning that was recorded by a Conservative member. According to the audio tape, Layton appears to take credit for the possibility of a coalition.
“Let’s just say we have strategies. This whole thing would not have happened if the moves hadn’t been made with the Bloc a long time ago and locked them in early,” Layton says. “Because, you couldn’t put three people together in one or three hours. The first part was done a long time ago.”
He then goes on to say that the NDP “spotted and prepared for the opportunity and had taken the steps that were required, so that when the opportunity arose, which was when Mr. Harper made his disastrous strategic error by not providing stimulus to the economy and instead playing political games, we were able to move and things began to move very quickly.”
Update: Stephen Taylor has the transcript of the NDP conference call.
Update 2 – Signs arise of a rift between the Loser Who Would Be King and the Heir Apparent…
ET:
Watch for all types of smears from the commies.
Like, Harper teamed up with the Bloc to overthrow the LIberals.
Yup, to force an election.
Layton’s alliance with the Bloc is not designed for force an election against a corrupt party, playing with taxpayers’ money.
It is clearly a power grab without having to go through the formaility of an election.
Earlier today, Flaherty moved up the budget date to Jan. 26. That’s five days after Obama is inagurated as the US president and the first opportunity to react to the Big Three woes.
There’s no need to ‘stimulate’ the economy until then since the budget year does not end until March 31 and there will be no deficit under Flaherty’s plan.
I have never seen such desperation from the lefty bloggers here before.
What is the issue that would cause Harper to voluntarily resign?
Stimulus package? Totally unnecessary at this time and totally pointless until Obama takes office on Jan. 21.
That leaves only one issue. If these guys want to go to the polls on the issue of taxpayer funding and cause another $300 million to be spent on an unnecessary election just to preserve $30 million in funding, bring it on!
So, anyone know of a western separatist party that isn’t currently full of wackos? Or do we need to create another Reform-like party?
I’ve had enough of the political feudalism of the Eastern parties and their dismissive attitude of Western concerns.
I believe that a credible Western Separation organization will rapidly gain support. Of interest, the Eastern backlash toward it could prove to be the catalyst we need to achieve separation.
It has been said that a politician is only concerned with his own fortune the next election.
And a statesman is concerned for the fortune of the next generation.
The trouble with Canada is that there are far too many selfish, greedy, small-minded politicians like Taliban Jack Layton, and not enough statesmen.
@Stephen,
Are you telling us that you don’t see a distinction between discussing the state of parliament with other leaders (one of which may be the leader of a separatist party) and plotting to form the government with a separatist party as soon as an opportunity to seize power appears?
I can respect Liberals and NDP members (and their supporters) who believe that it is important to vote against the government in a confidence motion; but I find it very difficult to respect anyone who wants to help traitors get to the highest levels of government, and to be able to decide how the country is ruled.
If Taliban Jack goes forward with this, I will be devoting a great deal of creative energy on how best we can become ungovernable.
Jack and Gilles, I send you a Trudeau salute.
TimR, how in hell is releasing the tape to the media going to be damaging to the Conservatives, after all someone in the NDP sent the Conservatives the phone number for that conference call?
Is it not in the public interest to know what treasonous scum Layton, Duceppe and their dupe Dion really are?
The Liberal leadership convention will be quite the comedy, no?
Jack and Gilles went up the Hill?
But, of course, they were more interested in subsidies than water.
count me VINNE.
new nation nation -free from eastern canada!!
New WESTERN CANAD
NO MORE P.M FROM QUE
Ann
“Jack E. Coyote accidentally gave the Conservatives the conference code.”
Nice to see that the future head of Nato has got that “don’t tell the Taliban” thing down pat when discussing Canadian Armed Forces plans in Afghanistan.
Maybe he can conference Putin in as well. Canada is an inclusive country after all.
Keith Martin (from the Liberals) was just on CTV News Net and he was focusing on how Dion was “Holding a hand out” to the Conservatives …
I get the feeling that the Liberals are starting to look for (just about) any way out of this.
“Keith Martin (from the Liberals)”
I’m starting to feel like a minor prophet in the Old Testament.
We’re only in the middle rounds of a 15 round battle royale.
Given some time to think about this, is it really out of the question that the Fibs aren’t exactly One Big Happy behind Steffi the Weak? That is the $64,000 question right now. It just doesn’t add up, as there will be the Rae and Iggy factions that want Dion gone yesterday. Why would they support Dion’s attempt to usurp power via bloodless coup? Their ambitions are to be leader NOW, not to let Steffi the failure make a desperate grab at power.
There is still a lot of game to play here, and despite the leftard similarities between the troika, I believe there are enough within the Lib ranks, that won’t support a coalition with the Separatistes, let alone the Horde.
Governments must be decided by election, not by coup, bloodless or not!
From Stephen Taylor’s transcript, Jack E Coyote channels Barack Obama, community organizer:
“When you’re organising your community meetings make sure there’s a speaker phone facility, or a webcam. Secondly, I believe that we should get immediately into the driver’s seats on organizing these community meetings, you have people who worked on your campaign who are exactly the kind of people, whether in labour movements, labour councils, uh, childcare groups, environmental groups, these are people that need to be pulled together.”
Yup. Make sure there’s a speaker phone.
@ Noone
“but I find it very difficult to respect anyone who wants to help traitors get to the highest levels of government, and to be able to decide how the country is ruled.”
In securing Duceppe’s support for the 2007 budget by means of an equalization deal, Harper was letting him ‘decide how the country is ruled,’ to borrow your term.
What’s the difference between a Conservative government twice recruiting BQ support to pass budgets agreeable to the policy agendas of both parties, and a Lib-NDP government relying on BQ support to advance its own policy agenda?
Ritz, for obvious reasons, acts like it’s outrageous for anyone to have anything to do with Duceppe now, but he and his government had no problem dealing with Duceppe during the last parliament, even if it meant breaking a solemn promise Stephen Harper had made to Ritz’s home province.
It’s an obvious case of special pleading.
Speaking as a Westerner,our only recourse is to back away from this lunacy.
ET, the last time a Liberal government had any hint of integrity was when Lester Pearson sat in the House.
The way I see it, Layton’s hidden agenda to take out the Liberal Party requires that he make his move before they choose their next leader.
For example, if the Liberals chose Rae, and Layton took another opportunity to move into apocalyptic mode and set up a coalition, it would be seen as NDP-NDP. Rae would be branded as going back to his NDP roots and that would greatly harm the image of this coalition.
If it were Ignatieff, he might tell Layton to ‘get lost’.
So, he had to move now, while Dion was still wavering – but I somehow think that Dion has enough integrity to reject this agenda; however, it’s possible he could be persuaded; he can get trapped in semantics.
But Layton had to move now before the new Liberal leader. He had to get the Bloc onside because Bloc support is frankly, the key. Layton can dress it up as much as he likes, with his words that the Separatist Party is ‘doing something to benefit Canada’…which is a false assertion for it assumes without evidence that such a coalition is actually benefiting Canada. It isn’t.
As the transcript shows, the benefits are to unionized industries, civil service and other unionized interest groups. Nothing to do with the economic robustness of Canada; just the maintenance of the Good Life for all those elite unionistes.
The Liberals ought to be very worried; if they go ahead with this coalition, they are finished as a separate political party; they would be merged, forever, with the NDP.
This is all starting to look like Germany in the early 30’s. After the bloodless coup I wonder when we get the fire at the Reichstag.
Yeah, the good Dr Martin……..
He’s my local MP, and a maverick. Once a traitor always a traitor? I don’t know, but he has shown thru the years, despite his arms length party allegiance, that he’s not afraid to go out of step with the status quo of his own party.
Yes, I’ve e-mailed my concerns to him, as a constituent, that the West abhors allowing separatistes into the halls of power is a move that will never be forgotten, and that governments MUST be elected, not seized via coup.
You never know with Keith, but, there are others like him in the Libs, and the possibilities are out there, that the day a vote is held, they might get a very nasty flu….
Yeah, the good Dr Martin……..
He’s my local MP, and a maverick. Once a traitor always a traitor? I don’t know, but he has shown thru the years, despite his arms length party allegiance, that he’s not afraid to go out of step with the status quo of his own party.
Yes, I’ve e-mailed my concerns to him, as a constituent, that the West abhors allowing separatistes into the halls of power, is a move that will never be forgotten, and that governments MUST be elected, not seized via coup.
You never know with Keith, but, there are others like him in the Libs, and the possibilities are out there, that the day a vote is held, they might get a very nasty flu….
Jackel Layton: “Nothing could be better for our country than to have 50 members who have been elected to separate Quebec…actually helping to make Canada a better place?
Earth to Jackel: they want to destroy Canada, not make it a better place.
how in hell is releasing the tape to the media going to be damaging to the Conservatives?
The NDP is already claiming that the call was illegally recorded and released. They are consulting legal experts to see if the Criminal Code was violated.
Have you forgotten how much furor there was over the Grewal tapes and the Cadman affair?
Stephen, that has got to be the most idiotic comparison anyone could come up with. This coalition would stimulate the economy by destroying it with increased taxes, Canadians have already voted against such a proposition.
“This is all starting to look like Germany in the early 30’s.”
The Germans dressed better – Hugo Boss did all their men’s wear. I think a more likely scenario is Italy back many years ago when they used to change governments once a week, or one of those quaint Latin or South American banana republic schticks.
Hugo Chavez (not Boss) must have some free advice for Jack.
Big surprise, the NDP and leftists such as yourself foaming at the mouth TimR.
Short pier, long walk?
“smart ndp”? Isn’t that the same as stupid Canadian?
Who are some Liberals that might throw Dion under the bus and join a “Tory-Blue Grit” coalition? I suspect that several of the GTA Liberals who almost lost to Tories in the last election would be prime targets.
Notice no mention of this fiasco on Iggy’s campaign site. No mention on the campaign blog or Twitter accounts.
Harper does not have a Deputy PM? Offer Deputy PM to Iggy and encourage his minions in the House and Senate to sit with the Tories. 9 Liberal defectors, let Casey back into the caucus, and the Independent Arthur would be enough for a majority.
Hey Ed, can I use that?
I feel I must apologize to ET. On an earlier thread I intimated that the inanity of her comments was due to an excessive indulgence in the demon rum. I see now that is not the case, that there is indeed no correlation between the inanity of her posts and her sobriety or lack thereof. Mea culpa.
Hugo Chavez is Proud of Cabaña. The West will not be looted for Ontario or Quebec by these traitorous greedy power hungry imbeciles. Nor will we stand for4 a bogus GW policy rejected. Or companies being pilfered by the NDP. I for one, will never acknowledge Dion as PM.
No election , no real PM. They will have spit on my vote. Not the least of which plotting this premeditatedly, before an election. This is a Junta make no mistake by the left against the EAST for monies. For power to the NDP & who knows how much of Canada has been offered to Quebec separatists. The price to do business with the devil is never cheap with a 100% loss in the end.
How can they possibly think the ROC will go along with a central Canadian coup?
There all mad hatters. Toronto is not Canada. even if they think they are. Wonder now why Westeners did not want a gun registry even an none crooked one? Starts to look plain now does it not?
BTW, sorry to interrupt, but breaking news is that India is about to go nuts on Kashmir and Pakistan, so our new Foreign Minister gets to jump in quick behind Barack for his “P-AHKeestan” strategy.
Wallyj…I had the same thought as I read your comment a couple of minutes ago. The uncanny similarity speaks to the new zeitgeist:
FREE THE WEST
We need a new contest to find the most deranged NDPers that could form a cabinet and highlight their community organizing resumes.
I’m sure it would be entertaining.
Free speaker phone with conference call password for the contest winner.
Kate?
Layton really IS the DEVIL in the details !!
Coalition Of Deceit, Satan & Yawn
Ward, there is no way the GG can allow separatists into the government.
It would be interesting to get Preston Manning’s take on all this. He probably knows more about Constitutional Law and Parliamentary procedures than the rest combined.
As far as the three amigos, perhaps they should go ahead and then the impetus for Western Canada to go its own way will be front and center, and we could maybe get rid of Red Ed Stelmach in the process.
This could be a major win in this part of the woods.
Well I hope Jack and the coalition get the election they want and I hope the conservatives, can demonstrate just who wanted it. They already got audio for a commercial.
Unfortunately, the GG owes her existence to the largesse of the former PMPM.
It is not inconceivable that she has a debt to pay to her Liberal masters, and, her separatiste Quebec roots.
The real test of her mettle, and constitutional law, is whether she would grant another election, or overrule the PM, and ask the opposition for a coalition. I won’t hazard a guess there, there have been plenty of opinions to that. My ethics dictate that a government MUST be elected, not come to power via coup.
Let the electorate decide!
It’s not going to happen, the commie coalition. Even the fools on the left know that the economy will shut down, no investment, and the bank managers will be standing with shotguns at their doors the following Monday. What would they gain? If they try to shove their socialist shit, Canadians will punish them, and punish them good. Some, not many, but some on the left realize creating a false economy leads nowhere. Canaidans will not allow the liberals, ndp or bloc to steal our money for one of their wealth distribution scams.
“The real test of her mettle”
Thank goodness she grew up in a model of constitutional stability, Haiti. Those model experiences will serve her well.
Re: Keith Martin’s appearance on CTV…
Sorry for the off-topic note, but did anyone else notice the really large growth over his left eye, near his nose?
Hope it’s nothing serious. He often does sensible things in the HoC, such as introducing legislation to repeal Section 13. One of the honest libs.
Bruce, I am not foaming at the mouth and I am certainly not a leftist. I am simply pointing out that the real leftists will be up in arms about the releasing of the tape similar to the time of the Grewal incident. And they will have the media on their side. I think there will be fallout for both Layton and the Conservatives but that’s just my opinion.
Manitoba Moose: Brilliant sarcasm!!! You had me ROFL!!!
Dream on TimR, hoist that Kool Aid, drink heartily.
MM
Second’s to that!
As I’ve said before, I am a born and bred Westerner. Stephen Harper is the elected Prime Minister. I will not acknowledge an unelected PM. or any illegal coalition. Yes it sure the fu*k is illegal in my view. I will not obey your coup, but I will fight you, whoever the hell you are.
Long live the Western Republic.
I’m guessing that the Brad refered to at the end of the transcript is Brad Lavigne. He was thoughtful enough to share his email address.
brad@ndp.ca
Posted by: ward at November 30, 2008 4:56 PM
I was hoping for his phone number
I doubt that Jack Layton accidentally gave the conservatives the conferance code. but obviously there is a Dipper inside that realized that democracy was about to be gutted from the inside by a hidden agenda Layton.
jeff davidson :
A perfect name for a revealing post.
By the way Fife is such a gay journalist who always will be. He’s so lame even even my dog Lucky with no balls, three legs, one eye, & no tail has more talent & integrity. But even a broken clock you know is good twice a day.
Should Taliban Jack being the brain of this three-headed monster be funny?
Does it strike anyone else as odd that TJ would say Quebec leaving Canada would be good for the country? Even if he believes it, would he say it out loud on a conference call? These things leak like sieves at the best of times.
Is he really that stupid?