105 Replies to “War Hero < Cigarette Smoker”

  1. It’s much worse…Obama is currently a smoker while McCain is not. Which one is showing better judgment at this point in time?

  2. and the same fools then say this about Obama’s current habit.
    “In an age when many politicians seem molded from plastic, Obama’s smoking may actually help his image
    Politics-watchers have speculated about how the electorate would react to everything from his youth to his pigmentation to his acknowledgement that he had messed around with marijuana and “maybe a little blow.” But a far more interesting, if less legally dicey, bullet point was buried in a few of the recent stories about the Illinois senator’s ambitions: Mr. Obama is a cigarette smoker.

  3. Bambi has been photographed smoking, you will see very few of these pictures. If he becomes POTUS, I don’t want him trying to quit on our time either.

  4. That’s right, If PRESIDENT Obama were filmed during his captivity in an Israeli run Death Camp, he would not be smoking a cigarettre, he would be doing Oprah-approved yoga exercises and invoking the Gaia Theory and Deepak Chopra.

  5. I think there was something cut out of the original message to his wife.
    He said he loved his wife but only until something better comes along.

  6. Boo hoo…he smokes..whooppee.??
    Why doesn’t the media mention every time Scott Brison opens his yap that the message is tainted by the fact that Scotty bends for men

  7. Right of centre, let’s make a deal:
    I won’t make moral judgments of you based on the most private matters in your life and mistakes you’ve made, if you won’t do the same of me…or of a man with a chestful of medals and six years in a POW camp, who turned down early release from the enemy, as a matter of honor.

  8. notasocialist…What’s more relevant about Scotty is that it appears the media is not interested in investigating the Blackberry issue.

  10. I suppose video of his angry wife bashing America won’t be turning up anytime soon either.

  11. If the fact that McCain smoked a cigarette while in the brutal custody of the North Vietnamese has even the slightest bearing on his presidential chances, then we’ve travelled down the road to irreversible stupidity much further than I’d originally thought.

  13. Ralph Klein was a smoker.
    I think Scooter Brison is noted for putting more than his foot in his mouth.

  14. Being held prisoner and tortured for years by the Vietcong must be something serious if it could drive a man to smoking.

  15. “””””I think Scooter Brison is noted for putting more than his foot in his mouth.”””””
    some one else’s 6 inches???????

  17. 5 years in a prison camp would likely warrant two fingers of scotch, along with the cigarette!
    Considering he wasn’t simply lined up and shot after a bogus show trial, simply shows that the Communists weren’t completely stupid in inviting a death wish.
    For lesser mortals, not connected to an admiral’s family, perhaps a meaner fate.
    Not so cheery reading:
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    Frankenstein Battalion
    2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von
    Baden(Rheinisches) Nr.7(Saarbrucken)
    Knecht Rupprecht Division
    Hans Corps
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”
    Many Vietcong units were semi-independent, operating mostly at night;[12] many employed terror as a standard tactic.[13] Demand procurement of rice at gunpoint was used to sustain VC forces.[14] Anyone who aided South Vietnamese or U.S. forces was killed or tortured as a matter of policy. Notable Vietcong atrocities include 48 killed in the bombing of My Canh floating restaurant in Saigon in June 1965[15] and a massacre of 252 Montagnards in the village of Dak Son in December 1967 using flamethrowers.[16]
    http://www.vnafmamn.com/VNWar_atrocities.html
    #12 ^ Zumbro, Ralph, Tank Sergeant, Presidio Press (1986), pp. 27-28, 115: The VC were commonly referred to by the Vietnamese rural population as “night bandits” or the “night government”.
    #13 ^ Zumbro, Ralph, Tank Sergeant, Presidio Press (1986), pp. 25, 33
    #14 ^ Zumbro, Ralph, Tank Sergeant, Presidio Press (1986), p. 32
    #15 ^ “The My Canh Restaurant bombing”
    #16 ^ “On the Other Side: Terror as Policy,” Time, Dec. 5, 1969.
    “The Massacre of Dak Son,” Time, Dec. 15, 1967. Pictures of Dak Son can be viewed at link above.

  18. What they should do is play film footage of Jane Fonda posing with the AA gun in tandem with it. Not all of have forgotten her little trip to the north.

  19. McCain, who was filmed smoking, was emotional during the interview and showed little respect for French reporter Francois Chalais and the media the world over by not sitting up, the Sky News reported … After landing in the lake, McCain said he was picked up and taken to the hospital, where I almost died. Asked to comment on the obvious campaign ploy, Presidential hopeful Barak Obama simply stated he was disappointed by his opponent’s inability to walk on water. When confronted on his own lack of military credentials the Senator said, “Hey, whichever way the wind blows…I was, um, only 7 at the time, but I was, um, thinking about blowing things up.”
    Obama’s VP pick, Senator Joe Biden, speaking at a Scranton rally yesterday brought up the newly-discovered footage saying, “When I saw this WWII movie, my first thought was what a clean and a nice-looking guy. I’m not joking. I wanted to yell ‘Stand Up John!’–but what was I thinking?–God bless him. But mark my words, to find out Barak America won’t be the only candidate in this year’s election to have gone down in flames…I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
    Okay…I made that last bit up.

  20. everyone here knows how to spell stupid right. why won’t people say what they mean and mean what they say? it just gets farther out there day after day. i didn’t do drugs when i was young but some days it sure feels like i am doing drugs now.

  21. Cal i will be laughing & thinking about that line everytime i see brison yapping in QP or duffy
    good one

  22. ‘Anyone else totally convinced that we’ve lost ALL perspective, that we live in ABSOLUTELY CRAZY, MORALLY PATHETIC times?
    ‘Anyone else noticed that the “greener” we get, the more we worship “the planet,” the more “holistic” we get, the less we see of common sense or decency ?
    ‘Anyone else notice that the further we get from the faith of our parents, grandparents, and all of our other ancestors–which would be our Judeo-Christian faith, which sponsors most soup kitchens, clothing depots, and food banks–the more we become moral/ethical pygmies?
    Just an observation. Something to consider.

  23. Frankly, the timing of this docu-film release, is a pathetic play for sympathy votes for McCain – and by golly.. he needs’m doesn’t he?? Desperate measures such as these intimate details of something that happened to him over 40 years ago.. turned me off.. and pissed me OFF!! I know war veterans from “Nam” and not one of them, would have resorted to such low-level desperation for a sympathy-vote election!! Pisses me OFF(sorry, said that already, didn’t I?) In lieu, to me; if McCain needs sympathy to win an election; what “WILL” the man do.. if elected?? Release honeymoon footage to his 2nd wife, after he left his first, disabled/disfigured wife when the pooor old POW came home?? awww.. poor baby, somebody give McCain some sympathy and respect, because he just isn’t getting any!!(from me, that is)

  24. The PC band of self righteous fanatics must have their ‘whipping Boy’; right now that group of shrills have all cigarette smokers. Smoking tobacco is worse than being a criminal these days. I smoke cigarettes, I know. I like smoking and it is legal. I never patronize places where the establishment does not cater to tobacco smokers and I do not endure long patronizing speeches from fanatics who think that I should quit.
    I do not like Obama’s ideas or his ‘pals’. His cigarette smoking is of no interest to me since it affects me not at all.
    Most soldiers smoke because smoking tobacco is, and always has been, a way to stop and sort out thoughts and emotions with a relaxing, enjoyable habit. If a soldier is in a battle zone the last thing the shrieking ‘public’ should be concerned about is the soldier ‘poisoning’ the air of the enemy! Great Balls of Fire! ‘They’ are really winged out now!
    Almost all the Viet Nam soldiers I have met smoke or smoked tobacco – they, unlike their critics, know what it means to have to deal with stress. In WWI, WWII, and Viet Nam the soldiers always gave a man who was dieing a last cigarette. This tradition is ignored in the PC media today because they cannot figure out a way to present this tradition as a very nasty thing and make the soldiers into criminals for doing such a thing-they are ‘murdering a dieing man with a cigarette AND poisoning the air of the men attending him…oh wait those soldiers are smoking too!! – spinning on mud the msm just ‘edits’ to stop the spinning and ruin the story. PATHETC.

  25. And what would the self rightous say about Mr. Winston Churchill? Hitler and Lenin, of course, did not smoke tobacco and banned it for all the rest of the people unlucky enough to be forced to suffer the presence of those last two monsters.
    McCain smoked in public – Obama hides his habit – that is all we need to know folks.

  26. I totally agree, batb–and with Jema54 too.
    We’re living in really crazy times. Everything seems to be inverted.
    Kyrie eleison.

  27. The MSM believes this will villify John McCain to help ensure The Messiah is elected POTUS.
    MSM, are you seriously believing these tactics will have an effect? You are truly believing your own horsepoops if that’s the case.
    Kate is correct, it’s suicide.

  28. Marlboro Man has nothing on McCain.
    A pic I’d love to see is McCain kicking Hanoi Jane square in the cootch in front of the AA gun.

  29. North–Your arguement is foolish. The French National Archive released the footage. You know…the same country that supports an Obama presidency by a 90 to 1 margin. You think they did it because they want McCain to win? The French National Audiovisual Archive INA posted the interview on its web site, http://www.ina.fr, for one week. It was first broadcast on the French television program Panorama in January 1968. Surrender monkey attention whores desperately seeking web traffic is more like it. And Donna, I seriously doubt you know war veterans from “Nam”…grow up and quit fibbing. But then again, perhaps you just have the old hippie draft dodgers you march with confused with real soldiers. Be gone troll.

  31. Dave in PA
    Why Dave dont you think it is important to really know what kind of person John Mac is?
    Just because he was a POW it doesnt make his character out of bounds.
    I admire his courage as a POW but he doesnt get a free pass for the rest of his life because of it.

  32. wingwalker,
    Seeing as the percentage of people who smoke is 50% larger in France than it is in the U.S., I’m not sure how they would expect this to hurt his campaign. I think the media are the only ones who think this will hurt his election chances.

  34. contrary to your assumptions wingwalker; to have to resort to “namecalling” someone a troll reveals I hit a “nerve” a chord of truth perhaps if one wishes to percieve truth as such. To be truthful, the Department of Lands and Forests in Ontario, Canada; employed me for 3 consecutive seasons planting trees. I worked side by side with a vet; whom had tomb-stones in his eyes. He was young, perhaps mid-twenties, a wife and child he brought with them!! In 1989, I hosted a Christmas dinner for 10!! I invited a man, whom “ran” from service.. I admired his admission to not want to kill, maim and torture another human being. I have a picture. He lived in our apartment building in Brooks, Alberta at the time. He lived in hiding; and his family, friends sent him money to survive on. Once again, this can be “legally confirmed” so.. troll-away your angering name-calling elsewhere please? I thought adults posted here?

  35. wingwalker – people have “friends” in every corner of the world, why doesn’t McCain?? hello?? you are quite the cynical sort, aren’t you? whew!! the names you called me.. please seek active support for your obvious hyper-tension issues at hand, dear wingwalker!! Lastly(to you) the majority of voters in any country are older.. that film will pretty much tweak mccain a sympathy vote or few thousand.. perhaps enough, to unbalance the scales of solid win though.

  36. This is my last word on this wingwalker et al?
    Where do you think your vets are accepted when they come home, broken of body, mind and spirit; when tombstones of emptiness reside in their eyes, down to their heart?
    Being as, the US condemned Vietnam vets in the late sixties when I were a teen to current date; they come to Canada.. moronic plague that you are!

  37. cal2: I do believe you won this thread (and a couple of internets) good one to save.

  38. I remember seeing a film about Eisenhower. God that man smoked like a chimney! So what?
    But I don’t appreciate the gay jokes. We don’t have to go there.

  39. My only comment is that when you see the clip it is very moving (I think most Americans will see it that way). This guy has no idea what he will be doing in 40 years. He is just trying to survive and get back to his wife and kids. The thing that also strikes me is that you can immediately tell from his look and voice as to who he is and you can see that he is very honorable and polite to the interviewer.
    The downside is that this guy looks like James Dean or Marlin Brando taking a drag – he’s in serious times and he needs to contemplate stuff with a long denied smoke – and so maybe it might promote smoking.
    I am starting the think that McCain is going to win this thing in spite of the media and hysteria.

  40. I think it’s foolish to “choose to believe” that the French National Guard released this possibly election-potent sympathy-vote getting archive; so as to make McCain “look bad” just because he is a smoker? Besides, it takes endurance to run a country; McCain is too old, and of ill-health; being as one of “ill-health” it is impossible to remain totally grounded 24/7; especially if sleep is deprived!! Hey, let’s drag in his wifes addictions too… hell’s bells; they are just like “the rest” of society.. aren’t they? sans poverty though…

  41. north “- people have “friends” in every corner of the world, why doesn’t McCain?? hello??”
    You just revealed your age,north. Only teens think ‘popularity’ is a measuruing stick of worth.
    The fact that ‘most’ of the world is expressing anti-American rants, and turning a blind eye to what America has represented and contributed to our present civilisation, coupled with the endorsement of Obama by the ‘enemies of America’ is unsettling.
    What is more unsettling is that American voters would see Obama’s pouparity with the enemy as a good thing.
    You’ll grow up some day.

  42. I think if I went through what he endured, I’d START smoking, plus maybe several other bad habits.

  43. @ bluetech; you pretty much covered everything I didn’t talk about.. bravo! Btw.. I am 52. click my name to peep my site; it’s all there.. who I am.. why I am.. the important thing though; is “I am!” I am a digital artist; whom does commission work.. with an interest in political hypocricy(and pointing it out)

  44. actually, if you had read my previous posts bluetech I reveiled I worked with a vet for 3 years planting trees; which makes me at least over 50!! fuzzball

  45. Bluetech,
    It’s a real shame that you equate age with experience… and it’s a further shame that the idiot youth backlash to your condescension is voting for Obama.
    Thanks for hurting the cause.

  47. bar_jebus, you’re quite correct about it being the media jumping on the smoking angle, not the National Archives. Actually I don’t think I said it was them that did–just that they took the most opportune moment to post it for a week, for whatever reasons no one can be sure. Sorry if I wasn’t clear. My guess was that INA saw it as free advertising for services i.e. British Pathe, Movietone News, Getty Images, Film Australia. What happened next, as they say, is history. The “smoking man” attack seems very silly but I suppose there’s that chance that some anti-smoking undecided out there is scanning the interwebs looking for a shot of McCain in the green room at the RNC pulling hard on a coffin nail. Nevertheless, this nonsense wont work in Obambi’s favor IMO. In fact, the opposite–it makes McCain look tougher and the outlets reporting it that way look like asses. Cheers

  48. North, given a confessed disability, I might have thought you would have more compassion for a Vietnam Vet, or at least the young man that he was in 1968.
    Whatever you may think of the man by today’s (well, at least, your) standards, he was at the time, injured, brutalized and then captured on film in his hospital bed by a prying French media.
    I have every confidence that the John McCain of 1968 in that video had no idea that in 2008 he would be in the running to become President of the United States.
    It ain’t 2008 political spin. It’s what was. Too bad you have trouble dealing with that reality.
    Would you be more moved watching a video of the Bill Ayers and the Weatherman circa the same era?

  50. @Jon – just because I feel the release of the video was pre-meditated for a sympathy-captivating vote; in no way implies I have less sympathy for a vet.. like I said, I worked with one for 3 years!! Actually, his nams was John.. I had an “American-runner” over for Christmas; because I believe, one should not have to be “forced” to fight wars they feel they canot partake in!! I do not believe in forcing teenagers to fight my battles like leaders do.
    Not sure where/how you deduced, I have no sympathy for McCain as a vet?? I merely mentioned(again) that I thought the release of his capture was a lure, a worm on an obvious, desperate political-hook.
    My uncle Joe was a vet, was half-deaf; we’d be sitting to dinner, a bbq, sitting in the yard; and all of a sudden, he’d be on the ground in “commando flashbacks” I know only too well; the realities of vets, and the lives they often come home to.. what Americans did to Vietnam Vets.. curled my toes of anger-even at the age of pre-puberty; we had social classes in school; where we talked of the vietnam war, politics, religion and social consciousness… I think, in large part, it made me a human rights, womens rights, elderly rights, childrens rights, and disabilies rights…activist for the past many, many years. btw-tnx for taking the time to peep-it

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