46 Replies to “Palin Email Hacker Arrested”

  2. Young David Kernell certainly broke the law and should be prosecuted, however what he discovered was probably rightoid rightard nonsense such as. Sarah’s conviction that God created the earth sometime around 4004 B.C. or FDR gave a televised speech in 1929.

  4. That kid belongs in prison. Someone should ask Sherrif Joe Arpaio (or however it’s spelled) if he has a youth outreach program out there in Arizona.

  5. Liberal Ron
    “..what he discovered was probably rightoid rightard nonsense..”
    What’s the word “probably” all about. The E-mails were posted all over the internet dum dum. Your over the top “probably” speculation is unadulterated drivel.
    Others, like you, were also “probablying..”, and I emphasize lying, that she was doing Alaska government business in her personal E-mail account, something else that had no basis in fact.
    Don’ty give us “probably”. Give us facts.

  6. or FDR gave a televised speech in 1929.
    Ummmm…that was Democratic VP candidate JOE BIDEN that said that!
    Stupid git!

  7. The juvenile mentality of hackers astounds me.
    What makes them think that just because they have the technical savvy to defeat security/privacy features on the internet, that they can get away with this sort of criminality? All sorts of examples, from invasion of privacy, credit card theft, identity theft, fraudulent impersonation, etc. So many of them seem to think that because it’s just the internet, well what’s the harm?
    I wonder, would these same idiots feel justified in picking someone’s front door lock to gain access to personal possessions and information that wasn’t theirs?
    Would they feel justified in mugging someone on the street for his cash and credit cards?
    Would they walk into a bank pretending to be someone else in an attempt to withdraw all that person’s money?
    Perhaps, if the internet didn’t exist, they would be doing all of the above. But of course, they would have to work a lot longer and harder at it.
    The internet has simply spawned and facilitated a new brand of criminal – the couch criminal. Those too lazy and too gutless to do it the old fashioned way.

  8. At least Sarah Palin knows the difference between right and wrong.
    Notice how Liberal Ron tries to shift the topic?
    Where was this kid’s moral compass?
    What or who exemplifies atheist morality? Stalin? Mao? Pol Pot?
    Give us an idea, Lib Ron. What moral code do you follow?

  10. Who cares about Palin’s privacy? Privacy is a quaint 20th century concept. If Palin wanted true privacy, she would have conducted government business on government email accounts, and chosen a more secure email service, or chosen better security questions.
    If I found that my email had been broken into, would I have the FBI at my beck and call running around busting down peoples doors and dragging college kids to jail? If I realized my government was performing warrantless wiretaps, or was profiling me as a terrorist using automated programs, would I have the right to sue them or face them in a court of law in the U.S.?
    Not a chance. The U.S. government spies on its populace, its only fitting that the populace spy on its politicians.

  11. Privacy is a quaint concept?
    And that excuses criminal behaviour?
    WTF kind of moral code do you live by?

  12. “busting down peoples doors and dragging college kids to jail?”
    Facts Bar Bar! Facts.
    They didn’t bust down his door and they didn’t haul him off to jail.
    A college kid? Is that a free pass to break the law?
    You’re a thoughtless twit.

  13. Back in Canada:
    Lord Hahaha say, “Hahaha”.
    Any suspects?
    …-
    “Alex Yap’s Blog: PMO Official website got hacked !!!!!
    5 Jun 2008 … Hahaha ,,, Prime Minister Office (PMO) official website got hacked. The link is here. This was captured at 05 June 2008, 12:14PM. ..”

  14. Ghost of ed:
    And you’re completely oblivious to the way in which government treats privacy. This guy isn’t a hacker, but since the media has decided to identify him as such, I will take up his defense since no hacker thats ever been prosecuted has ever gotten a fair shake from the government.
    I’m not saying its right to break the law, but everyones shock and outrage over this is ridiculous to say the least. Governments the world over read our emails, watch our internet activity, and monitor our conversations. This includes the Americans. Do you think some kid breaking into Palin’s email account is an outrage when compared to the invasion of privacy that citizens the world over experience by their “democratically elected governments”?
    As to the dragging people out of their homes; that didn’t happen in this case, but do you know how many times police have kicked down a door with guns drawn, trashed a house in the process, all to simply arrest a 14 year old kid? Numerous times. People with computer savvy scare governments, and when hackers who don’t hack just to be a dick, but rather do it for the excitement of exploiting vulnerabilities, they get maligned by their government as evil traitors.
    Just look at the cases of Gary McKinnon and Kevin Mitnick. McKinnon broke into Defense Department computers to find existence of aliens. Do you know how he got in? Remote windows logins that had NO PASSWORDS assigned to them. The government spent 900,000$ securing those computers that he’d broken into (by securing them, they mean putting passwords on them), and now McKinnon is LIABLE for damage totally 900,000$. It’s completely outrageous.
    Next, take Mitnick. Mitnick is the worlds most famous social engineer. He was held for 4 YEARS during pretrial without a bail hearing, without being able to see or view the evidence against him.
    So when everyone gets all up in a huff over someone exposing a public servant of not following official government policy, and its due to her stupidity to boot, I have no sympathy. There’s a thing called due diligence when it comes to your own privacy and Palin failed at that badly.

  15. This is the “most important election in a generation”; therefore, I’m sure the liberal kid feels justified in manipulating the system to ensure the right candidate wins. After all, the ends justify the means.

  16. Indiana:
    *cough* Watergate *cough*
    Both sides manipulate, to believe otherwise is absolute foolishness.

  17. If it’s so pervasive Bar, how is they didn’t know about the countless kids who walked into universities and high schools and gunned down innocent people. That was an outrage too. Were those killers innocent kids too? And a few of them had posted their thoughts on websites.

  18. The reason is that it doesn’t work. I refer to you to this article which details a National Research Council report that profiling people as terrorists or dangerous based on information collected about them creates too many false positives:
    http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/10/07/1827229.shtml
    Systems for trying to watch for people in that way is rarely effective, and white 15 year old emo kids who don’t have any friends are plentiful the world over. Sorting through every kid who is depressed and wants to hurt people at his school isn’t exactly that shocking.
    What irks me the most was the warrantless wiretapping programs that were created under Bush. The ability to watch and spy on people without any oversight once they deemed them as “suspicious” or “dangerous”.

  19. Bar
    I don’t like illegal wiretapping anymore than you do. But I can assure you it won’t come to a sudden stop if Obama is elected.
    I also disagree with your philosophy that two wrongs make a right. “If a government can do it so can I.”
    This 20 year old kid is the son of an elected Democrat and he tapped into a Republican candidate’s E-mail account. I hardly think he was doing it for a lark.
    By the way, I also have nothing but disdain for HRC practices, including phony and hateful postings to trap people.

  20. Well, well. It’s always the libs who scream about “privacy” yet they can’t wait to break yours if you don’t see things their way.
    Try Palin, Ryan, and McDermit stealing telephone calls on congress Rep.
    So lib’s who is breaking laws now.

  21. Agree’d about Obama not stopping it, but he is opposed to it in principle. He voted against the original immunity to telecoms, but in the end they needed to renew the FISA bill, and they got tied together in the same bill. So he voted with it, because to vote against it would give the republicans ammunition, allowing them to say he was allowing terrorists to roam free and that he hamstrung the intelligence service.
    Just a note on retroactive immunity; Ex Post Facto law is illegal in the U.S. under the constitution. Most nations in the world have it enshrined in their constitution that Ex Post Facto law is prohibited, and yet Bush gleefully signed it into law after declaring that is was essential to fighting “the terrorists”.
    As to it being the son of a democrat, indeed, its very suspicious, but the way in which he got into her email was a method that literally anyone could have stumbled on.
    My position about doing it to the government if they do it to us is one that is reserved for very very few actions. I don’t believe that everyone just needs to run amok and start spying on everyone and hacking their computers, but rather I believe that hackers provide an enormous service to their government when their break into their systems. Far better for a citizen of that nation to break into a government system, get caught, and the hole fixed than a foreigner break in and exploit it for that countries gain. When the government doesn’t perform its own due dilligence, there should be no excuse for them. Their attempts to create or find a patsy or scapegoat (usually the “evil” hacker) is just a distraction from the main issue of government incompetence.
    In this case, it was Sarah Palin’s decision (like many people in the white house) to conduct government business from her personal email account. Whether she had nefarious intentions or not by using external channels of communication is probably impossible to determine, but the fact remains that many Bush administration officials use private email to avoid the Presidential Records Act and the Hatch Act, and have gone to great lengths to hide their past dealings, including deleting old email archives.
    http://oversight.house.gov/investigations.asp?ID=251
    So I’m sorry if I don’t have sympathy when their have been past breaches of trust when it comes to republicans and their email accounts (I wouldn’t be surprised if the Dems were guilty of this as well).

  22. Dustoff,
    This isn’t a Republican or Democrat issue. Republicans want to find the terrorists on the internet while the Democrats want to find the child porn pedophiles. Both want to restrict your right to privacy, and will go to great lengths to obtain that ability.
    Republicans and Democrats are responsible for stealing information or trying to spy on each other…to believe that its one side of the other just declares that you’re ignorant and biased and will refuse to look at the facts.

  23. * Name and party identity of his “lawmaker” father remains at large.* Kate
    GOOD ONE !!
    The media tried, but it is Breaking(out)News now !
    [A federal grand jury has indicted the son of a Democratic Tennessee state lawmaker for allegedly hacking into Sarah Palin’s e-mail account.
    A 20-year-old named David Kernell, f Knoxville, Tenn., the son of state Rep. Mike Kernell, was indicted yesterday by a federal grand jury for intentionally accessing without authorization the e-mail account of the vice presidential candidate.
    Kernell, an economics major at the University of Tennessee, faces a maximum of five years in prison, a $250,000 fine and a three-year term of supervised release.
    His dad, Mike Kernell, has said he had nothing to do with the incident.] Globe & Mail
    Yahoo also.

  24. Ghost of Ed, let’s take the ‘probably’ out and just say he discovered rightoid rightard nonsense.
    Horny Toad, “Is it true Liberal Ron, that you molest kids?”. You’re horny and a toad to boot, isn’t that what a child molester is?
    set you free, My moral compass includes, integrity, responsibility, compassion and forgiveness. What’s yours all about?
    Ghost of Ed, The fact is that Palin thinks God created the earth in 4004 BC. Someone should have told the egyptian pyramid builders this fact.

  25. Edward Teach,
    Please forgive me as it actually was Biden with that 1929/FDR/television gaffe.

  26. LibRon
    Your fubar and acknowledgment of it shows your bias wrt S.Palin; therefore, your assertions can not be take seriously since you will repeat anything you hear or read that fits your agenda. Most of us here know where you got the idea that Palin said that “The Incredible Gaffes of Sarah Biden” here on SDA.
    What hole have you had your head in to be oblivious to the gaffes of Biden this last month? What other cheers have you memorized and then try to pass off as coherent arguments? You bloviate about politics regularly, yet apparently you pay no attention to the campaigns or current events. You have an ideology and are willing to suspend reality to protect that ideology, all to protect your own ego.
    Liberal Ron = Sheeple

  27. Indiana Homez,
    Yes I have a negative bias towards Palin. Like rightard rightoids I repeat what fits my agenda.
    That hole I’ve been in is called Ireland, just outside of Newry. I only know what’s going on when a neighbour comes over for some craic and we discuss the latest issue of Private Eye.
    My suggestion to you is to understand that everyone posting here is extremely biased and maybe you should look for some humour in all this.

  28. Hackers like this guy have the same sense of private property as graffiti vandals, none. Its all about me, you, not so much.

  29. “Yes I have a negative bias towards Palin. Like rightard rightoids I repeat what fits my agenda.
    That hole I’ve been in is called Ireland, just outside of Newry. I only know what’s going on when a neighbour comes over for some craic and we discuss the latest issue of Private Eye.”
    LibRon
    I’m glad we agree, you are uninformed.
    I appreciate your suggestion and second it; but, reading comments on this thread I don’t think your comments were in jest. You are trying to save face by changing the subject.
    My suggestion to you is to form your opinions after you are informed. As it stands, you run the risk of being mislead by people who would abuse your good intentions.
    Another suggestion is to change your name from Liberal Ron to liberal Ron. Having a liberal ideology is a valid belief system; but, your belief that Liberals and Democrats represent liberal ideals is misguided. The capital “L” in Liberal Ron speaks volumes about your lack of sincerity.
    LibRon
    “set you free, My moral compass includes, integrity, responsibility, compassion and forgiveness.”
    Just in this thread you have gone against three of your self proclaimed morals: compassion, integrity and responsibility.
    “Sarah’s conviction that God created the earth sometime around 4004 B.C. or FDR gave a televised speech in 1929.”
    Not only is this statement not true (integrity?) you show a blatant lack of (compassion?) for all of those who may believe in god. I don’t believe in god; but, I’m not so arrogant to suggest that others who don’t think as I do are stupid. On top of that, your statement IS a passive aggressive shot at all of those who disagree with you on this issue(BObama) included.
    “I only know what’s going on when a neighbour comes over for some craic and we discuss the latest issue of Private Eye.”
    Commenting on issues you don’t know about is irresponsible on many levels.

  30. Liberal Ron, who the Hell cares what Kernell found on Sarah Palin’s computer? You’ve missed the point–so l/Liberal of you.
    It’s the principle of the act, you moral pygmy. He committed a CRIME, whatever the contents of Governor Palin’s e-mail.
    In fact, the content of her e-mail vis a vis what David Kernell did is completely irrelevant.
    Your mindset is exactly why I fear a Liberal win. Anything goes with them–the only “crime” being an illegal act, of which there seem to be many, for which they are caught. And they’ve got a lot of cover from the MSM.

  31. Lib Ron, you don’t seem to get the point that your moral code that says its ok to hack Palin’s email on the presumption she is doing something wrong, is the same moral code that presumes its ok for GWB to hack your email on the presumption you are doing something wrong…

  34. He’s just trying to be funny Skip, a feeble attempt, but an attempt it was.
    Where’s Liberal Ron, his argument was perfectly slammed so I guess he’s moved onto another thread.
    Typical.

  35. What I don’t understand is why William and Bernardine Ayers are not in prison. Can anybody explain that?

  36. liberal Ron, maker upper of facts.
    Im not keen on the 4004 BC theory, but since the great pyramid was built around 2600 BC I miss your point.
    and of course it was Biden that thought folks watched TV in 1929. are all lieberals as lieberal with their facts?

  37. Let’s get a few things straight.
    1) I prefaced my early comment by saying the hacker did an illegal act and as a consequence he should be convicted. I never said it’s OK to hack e-mail. I just said that Palin’s e-mail is probably all fluff.
    2) I may appear to be uninformed and to some of you I am. Who really is completely informed? Nobody can keep up with absolutely everything that goes on around them. If they say they do then they’re the ones with a deficiency.
    3) Honesty is a large part of integrity. I’ve honestly admitted to not knowing everything. Some of my critics should step up to the plate and admit the same thing.
    4) I capitalize the ‘L’ in liberal because it’s a name not because I subscribe to current Liberal politics. I freely admit to not knowing all the nuances.
    5) I never once mentioned anything about the great pyramid. There’s evidence to suggest pyramid building started around as early as 20,000 B.C.
    6) As I’m one of the only people that actually challenges SDA sheeple thinking I suggest the zealots that misconstrue and twist my posts take the time to thoroughly read and understand what I’m saying before making giant negative leaps.
    7) I may not have all the facts straight but I remember where I was when JFK was assassinated and have paid attention to every election since that day when America lost her virginity.

  40. The KnoxNews story does include the party affiliation (though it may not have originally) when it identifies the father as “D-Memphis”–news stories here include the party initial and city in any reference to a legislator. (His district, for what it’s worth, appears to include the University of Memphis.)

  41. Indiana
    “Not only is this statement not true (integrity?) you show a blatant lack of (compassion?) for all of those who may believe in god.”
    I believe in unicorns. They live in my closet. I don’t believe in gravity…in fact its simply tiny little unicorns pulls us back down to the earth so we don’t escape since they harvest energy from us.
    Now, give me a political office because I appeal to 30 – 40% of the electorate because they too believe in my special unicorns. But I won’t ever show you my unicorns…they don’t like being forced to prove themselves, you’ve just got to *believe* in them, k? Now RESPECT me, have COMPASSION for me, even though I reject sound scientific theory….
    Are you KIDDING ME? Have COMPASSION? Do you think I’m going to have compassion on Islamic peoples when they tell me their religion requires women to wear a friggn bag over their head, or that I need to have “compassion” on them when they start following some of the crazier aspects of their religion? Your blatant bias towards Judeo-Christian values clouds your judgment.
    Now, does that mean I believe we should ridicule all religion? No. I believe that the moral codes that religion tries to enforce in society, or to hold as our norms is very beneficial to society as a whole. It could very well be an evolutionary construct for survival and growth as a civilization, but I’m still open to the brighter side of what religion can do in this world.
    If Obama was conducting government business through personal email accounts, and they got hacked, I would be just as happy. I’m tired of government officials circumventing the rules. It needs to end.

  42. Spurwing Plover,
    I truly hope that someone nabs you for a computer crime like downloading music and puts you into jail for 60 years you dick.

  44. BAR
    Slow down just a bit. I’m not bias towards any religion, I’m an agnostic thinker. The fact that you are requesting “proof” from what you call 40% which is actually closer to 90% of Americans (http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=359) highlights your lack of understanding of faith and people who have faith. I understand what I’m saying may sound cryptic to you as an atheist, but people of faith from all the major religions will understand what I’m saying. I have had many conversations with religious people, argued my perspectives and then listened to some very good counter arguments. I still haven’t been convinced, and I believe the evidence is in my favor wrt this discussion(I agree w/ you). That being said, I have been embarrassed more times than not by the tactics atheists and agnostics use to argue their points. Just as in the abortion debate, like pro-choicer’s, atheists and agnostics typically do not respect the counter position; therefore, typically they are not respectful in these discussions.JMO

  45. Good call Indiana, I agree. Dawkins has radicalized many modern atheists into being aggressive evangelists for their own cause, in the course of which courtesy often falls by the wayside.
    As to 90% of American’s having one faith or another…I think its more of an identity. For example lets say I’m from Israel and identify myself as a Jew, and if asked, I could possibly say that I respect and still carry on my Jewish traditions and that I am of the Jewish faith. In reality however, I really am not all that observant. From my experiences with most faiths, I’d say about 10% tops are “true believers” who take their faith seriously, actively make it a part of their daily lives, and would be willing to give up a great deal for their faith.
    I think the other 90% of people of faith would very quickly abandon any pretense of faith were they faced with a tough decision (i.e. faced with death, loss of home, loss of education or job if it meant standing up for their faith). Now, as to whether that violates the criteria of their faith regarding their acension (or decension) to another place is dependent on the religion I suppose. Many interpret Christianity to be very inclusive and lax in terms of the requirements for heaven, whereas some would say that its in fact extremely exclusive. Verses like ones in the new testament point to this when they state their you must be either hot, or cold, or that if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven (Jesus’ forgiveness being the only path to heaven).
    Anyways. Yeah. Completely off topic 😀

  46. Ya, ya. Give the kid 25 hours community service, I’m just glad I got to see into a little slice of Palin’s thoughts.
    Having her become president when Mcain has a lethal heart attach during his inaugutation would be a perfect, ’cause we’re already used to listening to a buffoon. Actually, GW, sorry, PGWB would seem like a brainiac compared to her.
    If Mcain won and she had a fatal stroke during his inauguration I’d be happy with, he’s got a head on his shoulders and would make a good president. But come on, she’s just stooopid.

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