There isn’t a single windmill owner in Holland who doesn’t have a second job, for when there is no wind. ~ Johnny Ball
Few people at the moment realise quite what is at stake, as the ROC “contribution” is not identified on consumer bills and is currently less than £400 million a year. But, as each mast is erected to disfigure the countryside, the costs will ratchet up until we are all paying this incredible sum of £6 billion a year for the privilege.
And, such is the grip of the greenie monster that is driving this insanity, even when people have expressed a clear rejection of a development, the officials plan to go ahead regardless. And to think we once lived in a democracy.
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On the subject:
wind farms are killing large numbers of bats
The liberal/left theory of generation:
First we generate hysteria based on unscientific assertions about issues;
Next we generate unscientific solutions to those issues;
Then we generate financial spin-offs to entities who design supporting infrastructure for the unscientific solutions while at the same time contributing to our political welfare;
Finally we pat ourselves on the back for addressing the original mythical issue thereby generating votes to keep us in power.
Clinton’s on TV right now, he wants the US to take the lead on ‘Global Warming’. I guess he is a communist after all.
T Boone Pickens is showing his hand in recent adds. His support for wind power is nothing more than a scheme to sell more natural gas. All those windmills will be backed up with gas powered generators. He’s also pushing the use of natural gas in commercial vehicles. Pickens owns the largest network of gas distribution in the US.
All these plans to use more natural gas are the worst ideas I’ve heard for decades. Natural gas is a dwindling resource in Western Canada. We need to keep it for home heating and petro chemical uses. Electricity should be produced with coal. Period. Clean coal technology is plenty good enough, and will only get better. The only sensible alternative is nuclear.
The suggestion that we run big trucks on natural gas is ridiculous. They’d need 1000 gallon tanks to make it any distance. They wouldn’t have enough power to make it up hills. There’d be hundreds of moving warheads on every highway.
I have nothing against wind power, but it’s not going to get the job done.
At least the idiots here can see the results of their idiocy over there and wake-up.
When pigs fly 😛
The have started the construction of a wind farm about 60 km south of me here in Newfoundland.
First of all, the closest sea port to get the gear ashore is near me. So it all has to be trucked to the site. This will require big rigs with a pickup marshall fore and aft on the journey on this hilly terrain.
This is Newfoundland, nothing goes under ground. Literally, this components will have to pass through 10 towns on this journey, and in these towns, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to state that on average every 100′ at the most, a power line crosses the road. These all have to be lifted so the area is swarming with utility trucks running around in preparation for these lifts which for the 9 windmills will require something like I believe 3 lifts per tower.
So that is a lot of fuel burned getting them into place.
Next, every one of them requires 500 cubic meter cement base. This is a total of 4500 cubic meters of cement using local cement trucks with a capacity of 6 cubic meters of cement for 750 round trips for cement. A cement plant has been put in place in the area for the project but I’m not sure where the stone is coming from for all this concrete. Either way, thats a great deal more trucks running around that that area has seen in, well, ever.
Since I don’t believe in any of the carbon hysteria, I just don’t care about all this. However seeing as greenies push these damn things, have they bothered to factor in the fuel burned just to build these?
Indiana, the problem is, the idiots here won’t draw that conclusion. They will just decide that the idiots there did it wrong and they can do it better. And if they can’t, oh well, they tried and that’s all Gaia can ask.
Excuse me while I got pound my head against a wall.
badadonitz- Wait til they start needing service. They’re trying to say these things will run twenty five years with no service, but we all know that’s bull. The technicians will have to come from Europe, as will all the replacement parts. These windmills will have a pretty big carbon footprint.
The enviromarxists don’t care about results, compliance by the masses and burdening the capitalist economy is what turns them on. If they can’t achieve that in the populace after all the indoctrination through primary and high school they may as well fold their tents.
The bottle recycling propaganda program ran for years everywhere in Ontario with not a peep about the fact that everything was going to landfill except for the bottles collected in and around the GTA. Now glass companies are closing in the GTA because of the unstable outlook.
Fear and more fear that is what these losers try to keep going through their moronic friends in the MSM. You are right on DP, natural gas should be saved for heating houses and buildings and NOT generating power when we have coal, these environMENTALists are breaking the economy and their bullsh.t has fooled most gullible politicians who don’t do any homework. When people are losing their houses and going without food so we can placate the likes of Fat Albert Gore and that bastard Suzuki it is time for the average Joe to pick up the phone and tell their polititian to STOP, stop wasting money on this giant money theiving hoax called Global Warming!
There’s a big conspiracy to get us hooked on electricity for heating our homes, bartinsky. Once natural gas gets scarce, we’ll be heating our homes with electricity. That will break most families’ budgets.
Somebody behind this movement has some strategic investments that need to be uncovered. We can start with T Boone Pickens, and work out from there.
Pumpjacks, on the other hand, are striking additions to the natural landscape.
Chuck- The first time I flew into Calgary was 1972. I was just a kid, visiting by big brother who’d moved here from the east. The first thing I saw when that plane touched down was a pumpjack beside the runway. That was the old airport, and most of you probably don’t remember it.
I’ve been here for 32 years, every one of them spent working in the oilpatch. I don’t know if you were being sarcastic or not, but I can assure you that I think pumpjacks are as beautiful as a prairie sunrise. The site of them still makes my spirits soar.
Invest in copper. Everyone of those wind turbines has a pile of copper windings in their generators. Then of course so do the backup nat gas generators.
Clinton’s on TV right now
I clicked over for 3 seconds and saw his earnest-looking body language, learned, strategic orator’s pause-for-effect, …
I confess. I couldn’t handle it, I flicked off. There’s only so much cheesiness I can take.
This makes the McCarthy Era look like a tea party. One psychosis piled onto another. Energized by blind faith in an improvable theories. All with our tax money .The Good Lord help anyone who speaks out. Its the HRC for you buddy! This truth with no room for any other no matter what, you will believe, otherwise you will be persecuted for environmental heresy. Political thoughts or speech rendered into rights for indignant indigents, ungrateful immigrants, Environmentalists with a Goddess fetish, criminals having the vote, with of course these autocratic government monsters as the arbiters of what you can or cannot say or do.
How many billions with ruined lives are we going to stand for? Waste of money for nonsense plus the usual graft in this scam of global warming, that’s the real pollution of our times.
wind power? i read an estimate that said the entire state of connecticut would have to be covered with wind turbines to power the city of new york and backup for very kilowatt would still be necessary. is the human species heading toward extinction? we must be, because we are doing things that show we lack the intelligence to do things that are practical and in our best interests.
Some basic calculations from the numbers provided in EU Referendum show that the 25 GW of wind generators will produce about 35.4 TWh annually, assuming a generous capacity factor of 25%. He’s more pessimistic than I am about their capacity.
The 50 nuclear plants however will produce about 350 TWh annually for the same capital cost, assuming a conservative 80% capacity factor. Getting ten times as much energy for the same capital investment means wind is about 10 times more expensive, call it eight times when you factor in fuel and operating costs.
phantomsoapbox.blogspot.com/2008/08/new-york-times-discovers-obvious.html
The New York Slimes has made an amazing discovery. When you put a 5 megawatt windmill generator at the far end of a rinky-dink little 1 megawatt rural service powerline, an amazing thing happens: The wire melts.
Think of running your cloths dryer off the 100 foot extension cord meant for your enviro-fiendly electric lawnmower. Dryers have big fat cords for a reason.
400 windmills in Noo Yawk spend most of their amazingly expensive time generating NO ELECTRICITY, because the power grid can’t handle the input. Noo Yawk lawmakers have addressed this problem by planning to build way more generators to generate even more no-electricity, while doing absolutely NOTHING WHATSOEVER to beef the power grid.
I’m thinking maybe the Mob switched from garbage to windmills, eh?
So do yourself a favor and choke a greenie today.
“Greenie Monster”.
I like that. Hope it catches on.
Nuke plants are the only reasonable alternative to coal. Period.
The perpetual ignorance British subjects (which means you too Canada) is driving me crazy! If you are a subject in England or Canada, you do not, nor ever have lived in a democracy. You live in a parliamentary monarchy, where government executives and leaders are never, ever elected. They are always, and have been always appointed by the Queen.
This would be analagous to working at a privately owned company that is unionized. As an employee, you might get to vote for a union steward, but are never afforded voting rights on who leads the company itself and who wields executive power.
Canadians and Brits by their nature are bright people but this blatant false assumption about living in a democracy really exhibits wholesale ignorance.
Now before all of you patriots flame me, I defy you to produce an actual ballot that has a Prime Minister, Head of State, Commander in Chief, Premier or any other executive position on it.
No ballot, no democracy.
KDP
by strange coincidence some of us live in Stephen Harpers riding. however, I cant produce a ballot as I turned it in at the poll.
but I do get your point.
most democracies dont elect the head of state directly. the executive duties of government are not always broken out as per the US and most countries have the legislative and executive duties in the office of the prime minister.
ie , you dont have to be a republic to be a democracy.
KDP- Our system wasn’t designed “for the people”. It was designed more or less as a truce between the crown and her subjects.
Please stop pointing this out for everyone to see. We’ve managed to fool ourselves for centuries that we’re a democracy. The truth just puts us into a depressed state.
There are certain elements of our bicameral parliamentary structure (notwithstanding the monarchy factor) that many find less than ideal; but it’s a hysterical stretch to say that we’re not functionally a democracy.
DP:
I’ve always liked the site of pumpjacks. At any rate, they are far less noticable than those giant bird blenders that are popping up all over.
“So do yourself a favor and choke a greenie today.”
Phantom
I’m glad to see your on board with my “Pimp-smack a socialist” drive. I am concerned that choking may take it a little too far, not to mention it may not work because apparently socialists are not getting any O2 to the brain anyway.