39 Replies to “China Set to Exceed US Carbon Emissions in 2009”

  1. the story is crapolo . . . already happened.
    China Increases Lead as Biggest Carbon Dioxide Emitter
    By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
    Published: June 14, 2008
    China has clearly overtaken the United States as the world’s leading emitter of carbon dioxide, the main heat-trapping gas, a new study has found, its emissions increasing 8 percent in 2007. The Chinese increase accounted for two-thirds of the growth in the year’s global greenhouse gas emissions, the study found.
    http://tinyurl.com/6pnncj

  2. I’m curious, which country has the lowest CO2 emissions per $ of GDP adjusted for climate? I’m guessing that the US would be way up there and places like bangledesh would be near the bottom.

  3. “But will the socialists of the world turn their ire towards China or keep it on the big, bad US?”
    I know it’s a rhetorical question, so let’s answer it with another question(the usual lefty way)….Would socialists turn on socialists who make them look bad? Or just make excuses for them?

  4. Last I checked per $/GDP the US was several times more efficient at using energy than China or India.
    i.e. it wasn’t a couple of percent better it was 2 or 3x better.

  5. And it’s not just CO2. China, Thailand, India and Bangladesh are countries I either visited or worked in. All those 2-stroke motorbikes, cars, ratty trucks, burning leaded gasoline…the pollution/smog is breath-taking (pun intended).
    When I was commuting between Canada and Bangkok for a little over a year, I had an apartment on the 14th floor of a high-rise. By 2 pm, you literally could no longer see the apartment from the ground; the smog was just that bad. And a half hour on the streets would lead to me tasting lead in my mouth for the rest of the day…

  7. The pat socialist answer is to show the US data vs China using carbon dioxide emissions per capita.
    Come to think of it, who’s going to cap volcanic carbon dioxide emissions?

  8. The link above is data from 2003 converted to 2000 Purchasing Power Parity. China is about 16% higher than the US according to this. Be interesting to see more recent numbers more recently.
    Another source
    http://www.iea.org/textbase/nppdf/free/2007/key_stats_2007.pdf
    I’ve read that if China emissions continue on the current trend they should exceed US per capita emissions by some time between 2020 to 2030.
    Then (answering Earl’s quesion) per capita emissions will never be spoken of ever again.

  9. Fred:
    If you use the IEA data, China C02/GDP is 2.68kg per 2000$ GDP versus the US at .53 kg per 2000$. So you are correct.
    The PPP numbers I used before are still correct. (The IEA source has similar numbers) I guess a $ goes a lot further on a PPP basis in China?

  10. The answer to that question is simple:
    Even if you force a leftie to face the fact that China and India are much bigger emitters, they’ll just fall back to the same argument that they are already using in Canada:
    “But, we should be setting an example for the rest of the world.”
    That’s the left. All feel-good symbolism over substance. It doesn’t matter if it does no good or (as is more-often-than-not the case) actually does harm. The symbolic gestures matter more than reality in their religion.

  11. “But, we should be setting an example for the rest of the world.”
    Agree completely…
    Accompanied by a rousing chorus of “Kumbaya”, but NOT around a campfire, due to the threat to Gaia posed by those nasty, CO2-emitting campfires…
    However…the obligatory group hug is carbon neutral…

  12. As I said in another thread here, Kyoto is nothing more than the Pet Rock of the new millenium.
    Fifty years from now, an aging hippie will be up in the attic sorting through his ‘tickle trunk’ with the grand kids and he’ll stumble upon his dusty old Al Gore carbon credit ‘bonds’ and they’ll all have a few laughs about how stupid old Gramps was ‘back in the day’.

  13. But…but…but we need to put a price on carbon here in Canada, because China and India are looking to us for solutions…well, we need to lead by example, we’re Canada!
    So our Liberals have proposed the carbon tax which, of course, will be revenue neutral.
    According to Garth on Mike Duffy live, it won’t affect the gas price at the pumps. It will be added to more frivolous things like, say, home heating oil and electricity. (?)
    Garth got ribbed on both sides, and made to look the fool. Even by the end of the segment Garth himself was laughing.
    If the Liberals are planning to “get back to power as soon as possible”, they are sure turning themselves into a running joke with this one.

  14. Eskimo, said aging hippy had better be in darned good shape. The “average” hippy would be about 60 today. So in 50 years, that’d make for 110 years on the planet. The grandkids may be laughing about gramp’s folly, but it’s doubtful he’d be joining in the mirth.

  15. Why do the environmentalists use per capita? Does it really matter how many people you have spewing pollution? The same amount of pollution is out there no matter how many people are producing it.
    It’s the same marketing ploy as changing the wording from global warming into climate change.
    I fail to understand why the lefties give China a free pass (no Kyoto targets), while they skewer the US for reducing their GHG’s.

  16. Why do the environmentalists use per capita? Does it really matter how many people you have spewing pollution? The same amount of pollution is out there no matter how many people are producing it.
    It’s the same marketing ploy as changing the wording from global warming into climate change.
    I fail to understand why the lefties give China a free pass (no Kyoto targets), while they skewer the US for reducing their GHG’s.

  18. “I fail to understand why the lefties give China a free pass (no Kyoto targets), while they skewer the US for reducing their GHG’s. ”
    Hunter. Easy answer. The USSR collapsed,and all the failed commies(read lefties) had to deflect their hatred at somebody,so lets blame CO2 and the USA. After all,the USA is mostly responsible for the downfall of their pet country,the USSR.
    In short, the lefties will skewer the USA no matter what they do,just because lefties are spoiled school-yard bullies who never grew-up past mememe,and they are jealous of the USA,and Western democracy in general. The best thing we can do to save Western democracy? Bi*&h-slap the next leftie you see completely silly,and then ship it to Cuba for its medical treatment.

  19. Actually, I think the “socialists” are likely to turn their ire on China.
    That’s because the People’s Republic of China is a sham “socialist” state and has been increasingly so since Mao’s demise.
    It’s China Incorporated, folks.
    Don’t let those cosmetic communist banners fool you.

  20. Fred and Dave;
    thanks for the info. Again there needs to be some adjustment for climate (heating or cooling of oneself produces CO2) – and perhaps for agricultural production – finland does well but does import a lot of its food.
    PPP may not be the best metric as it is the real world value of the products that an economy produces that matters. A dollar may go further in china but its exports are valued on par with its competition.

  21. “dis his why we muss tagz and tagz and tagz again so dat we can sent our carbon tagz credit to china to stop them do this hawful ting, da carbonne tagz is the honely ting” Borat Dion

  23. Sober2nd,
    I was referring to modern-day hippies. C’mon, you take my daydreams even more serious than me.

  24. Sober2nd,
    I was referring to modern-day hippies. C’mon, you take my daydreams even more serious than me.
    Posted by: Eskimo at June 18, 2008 12:01 AM
    Oh sure! Shoot the messenger! I was just trying to save you the worry time. :p

  25. There is never anything the government does that is “revenue neutral” and a carbon tax will not be any diferent. Governments in general always seem to be more efficient at collecting than returning funds. The “temporary” income tax to help pay for WW1 is a prime example. Does anyone recall if the “temporary” Martin’s 1.5 cent/litre tax to balance the budget was ever lifted?

  26. Not to worry about China spewing carbon, Kyoto fixes the problem. We send them the big bucks to build more polluting coal fired plants to churn out the goods, making big bucks for big companies and investors.
    Hey, even Chretien and Martin are said to have interests there. Hasn’t the granddaddy of Kyoto, Mo Strong been pulling strings in China for decades?
    The total hypocrisy of the lot of them is beyond belief.
    We have to remember Kyoto was signed by Chretien and the only part he implemented was shipping our money off to allow for more pollution. Over a period of close to a decade he somehow never got around to doing squat else on the Kyoto file.
    The Lefties have no concern for the people of
    China who are constantly exposed to polluted air.
    Due to their incapacity for reasoned thought they’re all worried about the tiny amounts of pollution/GHG’s contributed here in Canada.
    It boggles the mind.

  27. Any stick will do to beat a dog.
    The Greenoids need the per capita CO2 figures to keep swatting the US since China has outstripped the US in absolute total CO2 generation.
    Per capita output means nothing if you believe in anthropogenic warming: one ton of CO2 has the same effect (or not) whether it was produced by one American or four Chinese.

  30. The Liberals mean “revenue neutral” to the govt.
    Which is Liberalese for tax breaks for Liberal client groups( a triangulation between deserving Liberals, where the most votes are, and who is most easily fooled).
    The next election should be looked at as a National IQ test.

  31. Now that North America is entering a period of severe belt tightening, China will be stock piling it’s poisonous/useless/trashy products for awhile. That will be good for the environment sort of, but really bad for everything else in the world.
    It’s alway and ever the economy stupid.
    We can live just fine with a bit extra carbon dioxide in the atmosphere a lot better that we can with not enough money to buy food and energy.
    Consider how people make slaves of themselves in jobs they hate. Go neck-deep into debt to have their toys and life-style they crave. They save little for retirement and live relatively unhealthy lives themselves. And you think most of these tax-slaves are going to willingly give up all those efforts to cut down on carbon dioxide in the air?
    Carbon dioxide is plant food.
    Taxing the air we breath is what the government is trying to do. They have been doing it in Europe for awhile now and it’s starting to backfire. People are more interested in their economy and even Europeans are just smart enough to see that it’s a scam that is heading nowhere.
    Let your thieving politician know that you don’t want to pay for the air you breath! Do it now. Once a tax is in place, it NEVER GOES AWAY.
    TIP: Shop in the underground economy to save consumption taxes. Every little bit helps.

  32. Yet the kyoto kult still insists on bankrupting the middle-class for their luddite fantasy.
    Do these envirotards really believe that China, India, Russia and Brazil are going to stop developing just because some spoiled western rich kid wants to “make a difference” with daddy’s money?
    I’m wondering if there really is an environmental emergency we should be concerned with. Like retard juice in the water. Seems like too many people (especially in places like Toronto) have been drinking it.

  33. It use to that there were only 2 sure things in life. Taxes and death.
    More commonly now is being ‘taxed to death.’

  34. If leftists have been able to ignore rockets being shot almost daily into Israel for all these years, they should have no problem ignoring China’s pollution and co2 emissions.

  35. Oh, and the comeback for those watermelon fools who use the per capita measure is to point out the third world’s “environmental crime” was past over-breeding.
    You shouldn’t get credit for having too many kids. The environmental impact of inefficient third-world economies is at least as bad as more productive developed economies. And the third world is where the rainforests are. If you’re poor and breeding like rats you don’t have less of an impact when you’re burning the rainforest just because you used a match instead of the newest Cat bulldozer.
    This is also the drawback of using GDP as a measure of environmental impact.
    The rich western countries are cleaning up their country’s environment while the third world is burning theirs down. The quality of our water in the great lakes is vastly improved since the 1970’s.

  37. God bless the Chinese for raising their living standards…every bit of progress puts their population further from another Cultural Revolution repeat. Their growing middle class is the key to their renaissance and China’s already looking at sustainable economic models to adapt to.
    Surpassing the U.S. in carbon emissions is a good thing for everyone…20% of the planet’s human population is getting much closer to earning a membership with the first world. A healthy diet of carbon is just what the doctor ordered.

  39. Amen, Martin B. The Chinese are building American-style housing developments for their wealthy complete with mega-square footage McMansions. They’re snapping up Buicks as fast as GM China can build them. Those, my friends, are true signs of progress.

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