Enoch Powell gave a speech to the Conservative Association meeting in Birmingham. “Rivers of Blood”.
I simply do not have the right to shrug my shoulders and think about something else. What he is saying, thousands and hundreds of thousands are saying and thinking – not throughout Great Britain, perhaps, but in the areas that are already undergoing the total transformation to which there is no parallel in a thousand years of English history.
In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General’s Office.
There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.
Though according to a report of the British House of Lords published last month, the data about the stock of immigrants in the UK “are seriously inadequate,” the British government estimates that there are almost half a million migrants residing illegally in Britain while the foreign-born legal inhabitants of the country currently account for 10 percent of the population. More than 1 million foreigners have legally settled in Britain in the past decade.
As Mr. Powell pointed out forty years ago, increasing numbers of native Britons are fleeing their country because they no longer consider it “worth living in for [their] children.” Last year Liam Clifford, director of Global Visas, a consultancy which assists people who want to leave, pointed out that the number of emigrants is rising dramatically while “the main reason for these people leaving the UK is the over-stretching of services caused by inbound immigration to the UK.” The same phenomenon can be witnessed all over Western Europe. In Germany and the Netherlands more natives are currently moving out than immigrants moving in. Those who leave no longer feel at home in their own country.
Yowza. Pierre Elliott Trudeau was the fifteenth Prime Minister of Canada from 20 April 1968 to 4 June 1979. (h/t Maz2)
So ???? Have we not learned enough about racism since 1968?
You can always be depended upon to raise even higher the alarms of such as Powell, Miss Kate. Regressive conservative blogging, led by a leading CPC ‘nuanced’ thinker! Always waiting for your loyal repondants in the Comments section to do your dirty work.
So????? Have you not learned enough about Jihad,blacks murdering blacks,Muslim’s enforcing Sharia Law,leftards being,well,leftards?
There.Fixed that for you EM.
More pavillions for Mosaic and Folkfest! hahahaha!
oh for god’s sake you collectivist dunces….res ipsa loquitur….RES IPSA LOQUITUR !
In today’s terms , what he said back in 1968 & the reality of today’s England are understated.
When the Queen appears with a hijab, you will know the jig is up. The British Isles will have become a tomb.
RES IPSA LOQUITUR !
… and your point is?
But what about Caribana?
How will we show our Canadianess if we don’t have Caribana?
“You know, you can hear every language of the world at Young and King as yoyu cross the street!”
We are so much better than the Americans, we are so multicultural.”
Speaking of cheery events, 119 years ago today, Adolf Hitler was born.
What is really wrong with this picture is that Canadians are not allowed to talk about the negatives. That translates into no restraints placed on excesses.
Minority enclaves that vote in organized blocks rule when the rest of the population is uninformed and split in at least 4 different political directions.
I’m just suspicious enough to entertain the thought that politicians embrace boogymen such as GW to keep the electorate distracted. They and their strategists know that they must placate the voting blocks much to the detriment of everyone else.
Oh; and just for those who are about to screem the “R” word; according to comedian Russel Peters, white people are not. And I am including all people in my remarks who play politics on the basis of ethnicity.
Wow, I never realized what a racist Enoch Powell was. I always imagined he was wrongly forced to resign due to merely expressing a restrictive immigration policy.
Now I see some good points he made on unchecked immigration… and outright racism. Thanks for posting this, Kate, and it’s good to see dumping Powell was the right thing to do.
Educating us about that was your reason for posting this, right?
it ain’t about race my friend…it’s about culture….and human nature….and latterly it’s about unchecked immigration of an of an avowedly hostile ideology…res ipsa loquitur.
your style of debate leads me to believe you’re another fellow traveller of the hangdawg…you and the hangdawg..what a potential dream team…both of you a mighty right and left cleverer than any phalanx of neocons….steyn and hitchens and podhoretz and kimball and coulter and numberless other falstaffian boobies, countless others, all quail and ground their weapons before your singing swinging beheading intellect and dialectic.
i don’t wonder you are so cavalier about the future of our culture when you are so dismissive of it’s past.
What’s the stat on foreign-borns for CDA? It’s got to be similar I would think.
what’s my point ?….it’s on the top of my head and in my levis….
next question please ….if i’m not going too fast for you of course…btw Idd…read any good books lately ?
“Brits fear race violence will erupt”
By Paul Majendie in London
April 18, 2008 07:45pm
Article from: Reuters
ALMOST two out of three Britons fear race tensions could spill over into violence and half the population want immigrants to be encouraged to leave, a new poll shows.
In a country where the last serious race riots erupted seven years ago between white and Asian youths, the head of Britain’s equality watchdog called the poll findings “alarming”.
“What worries me is if that friction starts to catch fire – if people genuinely believe it’s going to catch fire – then we’re in trouble,” Equality and Human Rights Commission head Trevor Phillips said.
Of the 1000 people sounded out by Mori pollsters for the BBC, 60 per cent said Britain had too many immigrants.
A quarter of those polled said their area did not feel like Britain any more because of immigration.
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Rivers of blood?
It is already too late for Great Britain; it will be ruled by sharia law within 20 years. Power to the people!!
btw Idd…read any good books lately ?
Posted by: john begley at April 20, 2008 4:42 PM
Yep, plenty, and you?
“res ipsa loquitur” LOL!! A lost cause, John Begley. But keep trying. It’s great fun to watch dunces parading their shortcomings for all to see.
Anyway, about the ethnic enclaves business, I wrote a piece today on my blog about Tarek Fatah’s disillusionment with the New Dunces Party. Fatah says something very similar to “Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.” and decries it. Course, can’t call him a racist, can we. Just another example of garden variety leftie hypocrisy.
Given the combination of bombings, extreme government control and out of control youth in GB, conflict is just a matter of when not if. Of course, we in Canada will not be able to read about it because the HRC will make it illegal for the media to report it. Given their current attitude, I suppose the MSM would decide to self censor anyway because reporting multicultural friction is not PC.
Leftists and statists always decry the voice that sounds the warning..they never see that there is truth in the words.
Was what Enoch Powell said wrong?
Was it not factual?
Are we not experiencing the problems stated by this man and others?
In fact, were not these warnings understated?
I have one question for those who see nothing wrong with massive unchecked immigration and social re-engineering..
When did you decide to be a cultural apologist?
I remember Enoch Powell and the “Rivers of Blood” speech.
He was unfortunate in one way, he was too early. The insanity of multi-culturalism (whoever voted for that policy?) hadn’t yet descended from hippy heaven. Therefore he wasn’t capable of framing his argument, nor were his correspondent constituents, and pointing it at the correct target; therefore it came over as racist.
At the time, I was having public arguments (literally shouting matches on trains) about “coloureds”, and why they shouldn’t be put up gainst a wall (they’re just like us). I was arguing against racism; but it was still accepted, by all, that the immigrants adopted British norms.
Not so since the advent of multi-culti.
oh christoph…really ?….fascinating really you know..i’ve always maintained a sound understanding of the contemporary canon will never lead a 1st 2nd or even a 3rd rate intellect astray !
so…cher colleague ….what have you read recently that may pertain…something that will makle podhoretz shake his head and cry uncle ?
JJM @4.13PM
Just what the world needs, another socialist!!!
I love the way the lefties almost always lead with the race card.Though,they are the ones who always take a person’s colour into consideration before any response or reaction because of their abject fear of being called the dreaded ‘r’ word. That seems to make them the actual racist,hmmmm.
ah Louise ….marry me my dear…finally a woman who appreciates me …and to meet you here of all places…la!….i wonder if Kate would condescend to be best woman ?
Another thing about the Leftards, they are predictably cynical about anything emanating from their own culture. They refuse to be cynical about any of their “pet” ideas, including their “pet” “minorities” Smacks of Marxism, doesn’t it?
And John, to “let something speak for itself” presumes, again, as in a previous post, that there are immutable truths. Do you honestly believe that a Leftard can stomach this? It would mean that they would have to accept that their ideas are bankrupt.
Enoch.
Powell.
Was.
Right.
EM, a heads up, most Muslims(especially the majority belong to the terrorist type – Arabs and Pakistanis) are the same race as us. They are afflicted with a bad religion and 7th century tribal mores. That’s the issue. Indians, from India, are also whites. Yep, they are Aryans from the same racial roots. They aren’t afflicted with a vicious religion. You seem to be anthropologically challenged when you hurled your racist smear.
Also, the old lefy racist smear to stop any debate or freedom of opinion isn’t working so well any more.
I like it though that if you lived next door to a menacing/unlawful slob of a gangbanger of color you’d suffer in silence, too incapacitated to do anything for fear of being smeared by like-minded pc sheeple as a racist.
Typical.
Right on Lori!
Thanks for that!
Deal with it or not:
It’s the laydown-surrender mentality of those of us in the West which has allowed the takeover of our societies by those who have chosen our democracies over the tyrannies in their countries of origin–notice, we’re not interested in moving to their countries or having to live under their laws, or lawlessness, whichever it is. It’s always the other way around. Regrettably, many, NOT ALL, immigrants, have come to Canada, live freely in our democracy, and then use our “openness,” “tolerance,” and “multicultural diversity” against us and our time-tested values.
Certain immigrant groups are able to do this because we have lost our way as a culture. The culture of the West was built on the solid foundation of Judeo-Christian values, but we in the West have allowed ourselves to suffer historical and spiritual amnesia, forgetting our roots or simply not knowing them, which has meant we have not a leg to stand on. “If you stand for nothing, you’ll fall for anything.” Hmmm. We have no cultural “weapons,” if you will, to stem the tide of an invasion of very strongly held values and beliefs—often antithetical to our own—or, until recently, “our own.” We’re afraid these days to admit to and own the Judeo-Christian values upon which our democratic, educational, judicial, and political institutions were built and which have held us in good stead for hundreds of years.
Thus cultural relativism: Hey, all cultures are equal. Well, if that’s the case, how come the immigration flow is so lopsided–that is, in one direction only? If Sharia Law and life under the Ayatollahs is so great, how come more of us aren’t immigrating to Muslim countries? Why wouldn’t I, a woman, want to live, say, in Afghanistan, Iran, or Iraq?
Spiritual and historical amnesia. Willful blindness. Political correctness. Moral relativism: a pox on them all.
‘Time to wake up, you sleepy heads in the West. Rub your eyes, get out of bed. OPEN your eyes, look around you, see what’s really happening. And stop calling the prophets amongst you, “racists” and “bigots” and taking them to Human Rights Commissions and Tribunals. (Are you listening, Barbara Hall?)
I remember when Toronto was actually a well-run and pleasant city to live in. Though Toronto may be “the most multicultural city in the world,” so what? It’s always said like a badge of honour, but what it seems to have resulted in is a morass of lawlessness, police afraid to charge anyone with “an ethnic” background, the judiciary afraid to prosecute anyone who is part of a so-called “ethnic minority,” and run-of-the-mill citizens running around with blinkers on, pretending that everything’s just A-OK, just Hunky Dory, when the infrastructure of Toronto is falling apart at the seams and our streets, parks, and public places are filthy, unkempt, and, often, unsafe.
I agree with Mr. Powell’s statement: “As Mr Heath has put it we will have no ‘first-class citizens’ and ‘second-class citizens.’ This does not mean that the immigrant and his descendent should be elevated into a privileged or special class or that the citizen should be denied his right to discriminate in the management of his own affairs between one fellow-citizen and another or that he should be subjected to imposition as to his reasons and motive for behaving in one lawful manner rather than another.”
This state of affairs seems to be exactly what’s happening in Canada now, and it would be difficult to say that we weren’t warned.
batb, OMG, don’t try to inject a little reality here, the leftards are quite allergic to it.
Sounder: I’m allergic to leftards. 😉
What is happening in Britain, the Netherlands, Belgium etc and still to a lessor extent in the rest of the Free Western Democracies is nothing short of an alien invasion ala flying saucers.
Except that this one is coming on metaphorical flying carpets complete with chanters and what looks a lot like nightshirts and sacks for apparel. Not much in the way of metallic spandex. The tools of conquest are all stolen or borrowed from us. Semtex, rocket launchers, Airliners, the Internet.
There is little will to stop it other than from those few on the right who still value what we have accomplished politically economically and culturally over the past several hundred years.
Too bad, the coming dark age will last a lot longer than we did.
What I say here has nothing to do with race so don’t lay that crap on me. It is all about culture, religion and backwardness imposing itself on western guilt and shame. Yes, unbelievably our magnificent caring Left is ashamed of our success …. the embarrassment of riches. It’s just not fair eh?
Although, I have never detected this embarrassment in people like the Clintons, the Obamas, G Soros, Fat Albert Gore, The mammoth Michael Moore, David fruit fly Suzuki, Hollywood’s finest and that dick head rock star Bono etc etc.
It is almost amusing that the the saviors of our planet are the destroyers of us.
Say, I think it’s happy hour now … I need a drink.
Kate – cleanup in aisle 1; Smith888,4:06 PM
Thanks.
John Begley et al., and thanks for engaging in the discussion, by and large I agree with Enoch Powell’s thesis.
Because I agree with him that England is largely destroying itself (although while unchecked Muslim immigration is a large part of it, and the English’ reluctance to deal decisively with criminal terrorist elements within it… I think it’s biggest problems are their massive numbers of abortions, rampant sexualism of youth without corresponding marriage, growing crime, socialism, etc.), I was disappointed to see the space Powell gave to “Negroes” in his speech, many of whom became British (and Canadian) subjects ages ago during noble anti-slavery work.
The story of the woman who was too afraid to rent her rooms to Negroes and once had someone knock on her door or whatever late at night, but wasn’t a victim of crime that I’m aware of, was… well… it weakened what was largely a strong speech, which is why we’re discussing it 40 years later.
So I exaggerated my disagreement with Powell to make that point, that I was surprisingly disappointed by Powell’s addressing the supposed Negroe problem, and not just sticking to the real problems of different cultures, including large numbers of people immigrating from regions of the world whose dominant religion’s radical elements, anyway, call for conquest of Britain.
That said, the British government worker who informed the old lady she wouldn’t get anywhere with racial prejudice or whatever was just doing her job. I’m glad to see each generation, including my own, is less racist than the ones before it.
And thank God to Britain for doing a large part of that work, in times past. Canada too, like during the U.S. Civil War, and of course many Americans and others on the right side.
Britain is going to hell in a hand basket alright, but it isn’t a racial issue it’s a religious and cultural issue. Britain has rolled over and ceded superiority to Islam, even though Muslims make up less than one percent of the population the leftards can’t do enough to appease Radical Islam or Political Islam. As a result the Islamists have become the domoninant religion and culture in British society using threats of violence and joining forces with the mewling tards from the left to further the Islamist’s agenda, Muslim only swims Muslim only this that and the other thang. The socialist left can’t do enough to kill British Culture, really they can’t.
It’s not the Hindus or Christians or Buddist screaming and rioting pretending to be offended is it. Frankly it has nothing to do with race but religion and culture, the leftarded socialist goberment killed British Culture hoping to replace it with a communist ideology instead they’ve replace British Culture with seven century Islam. The tards think they can control Political Islamists and their ilk, Eurabia is going to be the death of leftard Ideology we can see what a failure socialism is and stop the spread of it in Canada.
What Rose said.
Here is the 8 part series on Enoch Powell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFo1xOSlGgg
Christoph,
What is mistaken over and over for racism nowadays is not the belittlement of hatred of a persons genetics, but rather a fear and loathing of those other peoples, regardless of their skin color who are trying to destroy our culture. Our culture is also the culture of many people of different skin color and backgrounds.
The tossing around of the racism insult should end here and now. It is no longer a valid concern. Militant Islam is. So is the congregating of other cultures in ghettos in Western Cities where there is no assimilation into the larger society. IE Jamaicans in North Toronto, Sikhs in Surrey BC, Muslims in Dearborn Michigan etc.
That is the problem we are dealing with, not racism.
The other major problem bundled up in all this is the idiocy of the Leftist collectivists who are just a big a threat to our culture as is radical Islam.
Powell is an uncomfortable read for those raised in today’s’ culturally debauched consumptive states (I cannot legitimately use the word “societies”), and his dwelling myopically on immigration as root rather than symptom has unjustly marginalized his more salient points: the asymmetric devastation “one-way privilege” creates in a hitherto complacent host society.
Powell’s comments are, at best, incomplete. In my more contrarian moments, I think uncharitable thoughts of chickens and whirlwinds.
The racial make up of any human can be compared to the hardware of a computer; it is nothing more than the inherited physical characteristics of the framework in which a person exists. It has no real bearing on the quality of that person, even as it may affect physical capability, specific disease resistance or lack thereof, or longevity. The fundamental nature of racism is that it conflates racial characteristics with the culture of its target ethnicity.
Likewise, the charge of racism is most often leveled by those who do the reverse conflation of what the racists do: they assume that the reason you object to the specific standards or accepted and expected actions of a specific culture is because you hate the race – and racial characteristics – of its adherents. In fact, the cultural relativists will allow no other explanation for your judging one culture superior to another. Yet they have their own hierarchy of acceptable cultures (all other cultures are automatically better than Western Culture) and do not believe that they think this because of racism. If you suggested that the reason they object to Nazis was that the Aryan super-race was blond and blue-eyed, and not the because of the incidental genocide, repression and aggressive warfare that the party practiced, they would properly laugh you out of the room.
(There is a subset of anti-Western, irony-challenged thinkers who believe that only whites can be racist. They suggest this seriously, and override objections with the claim that you disagree because you’re racist.)
From something I read recently, I gather that the Conservatives are going heavy duty with immigrant bloc pandering even suggesting various constituencies be given their own “national” holidays.
Sadly, the BNP — the only political party with serious intentions of doing something about out-of-control immigration — is genuinely racist in that they apparently refuse membership to non-whites. A remarkably dumb position if it’s true. Does anyone know for sure if this is true?
I read the speech a few months back and yeah the “negro” stuff was a bit cringeworthy but I try to remind myself not to backdate current sensibilities to an earlier era.
Re: Trudeau
Saw/heard something today on CTV’s Question Period (first time I’ve tuned in in a very long time) that made my jaw drop.
Craig Oliver said “40 yrs ago today Pierre Trudeau was elected Prime Minister… it seems the longer ago it was the more his blemishes fade and his strengths are magnified…don’t you think a lot of Canadians are saying “when cometh such another.””
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/clip47371#clip47371
I don’t know about you, but my opinion is the polar reverse and talk about bias…
thee problemo may become Muslim in kanada, but it started long ago by the invassion by a peoples from a Judeo-Kristian country
I am still troubled to see red white and green stickers/emblems on vehicles of people who do not consider themselves as canadians, just people removed from their land of birth for financial reasons!!!!!
“first time I’ve tuned in in a very long time”
And you won’t be making that mistake again, will you? I know the feeling.
It isn’t just the bias, but giggles and the elderly owl seem like such amateurish flakes.
Here’s an uncomfortable thought for you…
Why? How come we find ourselves in this mess?
The “greatest generation” thought their job was done, so they downed tools. There thinking became insular (again), money became their god (again), they became proud (again), and mortgaged the future. As with Hezekiah, they were content with “peace and security in [their] days”.
Chamberlain merely carried on a very old tradition…which is alive and well.
Short-term thinking…
Naïveté…
The reason for this hesitant resurgence of conservatism is the horrifying realization that we have indeed well and truly screwed the pooch. It’s also the reason for the increasing shrillness of the “peace at any price” brigade and the polarization of social discourse. Blame alights…it’s our fault.
“We have met the enemy and he is us.”
Re Trudeau: I’m with you, Gord Tulk.
I was never impressed with PET and the more I get to know about his, already, unimpressive record and the Librano$ he brought on board, not to mention that he was a puppet of Power Corp, the more amazed and disillusioned I become when I realize there are a large number of Canadians who idolize the guy.
You know, the Americans have seen two or three waves of immigration in the last hundred and fifty years and it hasn’t done them a pinch of harm until lately.
You had your Scots and Irish wave, your European wave, and lately your Latin American wave.
The difference between pre-1970 immigration and now is primarily socialism and the use of illegal immigrant votes. Without welfare and the DemocRats getting illegals on the rolls to boost their traditional cemetery vote, nobody would care if a bunch of Mexicans came to America. You work, you pay taxes, welcome aboard Juan Valdez.
Maybe Britain should have a look at that concept. If you build it they will come, maybe if you tear it down they will all go home. Jettison the welfare state, give people back their rights to speech, association and self defense, maybe even God forbid their right to keep their own earnings, I bet this whole issue becomes moot.
England 2080 … Lebanon 2008: Indistinguishable
c. rivers:
You will not be surprised to know I turned it off about 30 seconds after I heard the above out of oliver’s piehole. I mean, what would be the point?