Update 2 – Darcey is hosting Fitna on his own server, and Flea is providing torrent links.
“If you quote the Koran. If you do so in the name of freedom of speech. You will be threatened with death. The press will collude with the enemy.”
When I can figure out how to set it up, I’ll host another here.
Statement from Liveleak on the removal of Fitna
Because “multiculturalism” means “more pavilions at Folkfest”…
In anticipation of this, a number of sources have already saved and rehosted the film, so it won’t be hard to find.
Background info.
Because they just can’t help themselves. – Addressing the European parliament, the Grand Mufti of Syria told his audience that “If there is unrest, bloodshed and violence after the broadcast of the Koran film, Wilders will be responsible.”
A million views at Liveleak already (and nearly two million of the Dutch version) and they’ve issued a statement. Via Hotair – “They’re obviously willing to go to the mat to keep this online.”
Michael van der Galien chronicles the astonishing efforts to stop the film from being seen in the Netherlands. “I disagree with your opinion that Islam is violent, but I will fight to the death to prevent you from inciting them”. Or something like that.
Josef Goebbels et al had to stage their anti-jew propaganda.
The moslems are creating all of the material for making people want to dislike them all by themselves. There is a big difference between staged and actually carrying it out.
Oh I forgot, in the fantasy world of the CHRC, “the truth is no defence”. Maybe the tards in the CHRC will reconsider that just before their bodyless heads die after receiving the appreciation of their benefactors.
Brave move in showing this Kate.
I got to sick to watch after the beheading though.
It needs to be shown, I,m just to squimish I guess.
If you keep this up you will be in the good company of Ezra Levant & Mark Styne. Truth tellers don’t go unoticed in PC Canada.
Brave move in showing this Kate.
I got to sick to watch after the beheading though.
It needs to be shown, I,m just to squimish I guess.
If you keep this up you will be in the good company of Ezra Levant & Mark Styne. Truth tellers don’t go unnoticed in PC Canada.
Islam is the most dangerous cult on the planet, wrought with sadistic brainwashed robotic adherents who have been reduced to sub human creeps.
No one can determine what is the difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam.
Calling a religion moderate in the first place means there are other degrees of it and those are the degrees we can now call the scourge of the planet in this 21st century.
They are mad and unfit to be considered part of humanity. The civilized Western world will have to take severe steps to put down these insane creeps who lop heads off and torture fellow humans in the name of their cult.
I dunno,after watching this eye-opening video I feel a raging urge to put on a pair of Brass Knuckles………..
and go beat up a liberal!
Belisarius: “The movie itself uses deceptive propaganda methodology”
Please explain. And not because you “count a number of them as friends and served with many in the CF”.
You must remember that there were people who thought and spoke exactly the way you are doing in the 1930s.
Please tell the rest of us why you think this movie has used deceptive propaganda methodology. Many English and Germans were friends (and the Royal family relatives numbering hundreds) in the 30s so having Muslim friends cannot be a serious consideration.
How many Muslims are there serving in the Canadian Forces, by the way? A serious question so I would be interested in your answer.
John Daly @ 8.15
You’re not really part of this world, are you? You’re a fiction. And what is happening is not real, right? Or is it all just a conspiracy?
Hey, I agree with you that there is a conspiracy to destroy World Trade centers and other American symbols and innocent victims all over the world; mostly muslim victims, if you do the counting, BTW. And do you know who the conspirators are? Islamo-fascists, and I’m being generous here.
You, however, not being able to do basic arithmetic, nor listen to the words of those who are committing and cheerleading these acts, are not of this world. Maybe you are some kind of superior, transcendanmt, ethereal, elf-like being – or maybe just a fool.
Brave move, things CBCpravda would not show while they stuff their site with Omar Khadr and Mama Khadr
CBCpravda ALL Khadr All the Time.
I’ve never heard of the Book of Judgment.
I know that it is not associated with Christianity in any way, whatever it is.
Maybe if a film-maker would like to film radical, fundamentalists Christians in action, he could film some of my friends in Africa. Some are teaching, some are building, some are working at orphanages; all are loving God and looking forward to Christ’s return to establish the kingdom of God.
“I count a number of them as friends and served with many in the CF. I suppose this skews my view somewhat.”
The movie itself uses deceptive propaganda methodology, which is my principle criticism.
Posted by: Belisarius at March 27, 2008 9:02 PM
Legions of Muslims in the CF? don’t believe you. In fact, I think you are using deceptive propaganda methodolgy. You give yourseld away with this:
“with radical Islam, funded by Wahhabi oil money”
Oh yes, it’s all our fault. We corrupted them by purchasing their oil. We should have insisted that they break their backs clearing the land -as we did.
Belarius @9.02
You’re employing the same old trick there – it’s not islam, just bad muslims. Problem is, the “bad” muslims are quoting the holy book of islam, and the traditions (Hadith), in support of their actions.
Of course, you wouldn’t know this because you only read “good” versions of the Koran, and listen to “good” ignorant Saudi imams whose education amounts to quoting the Koran in ancient arabic that no-one understands.
Now go.
Go on.
Piss off!
What are you waiting for? Go!
..Out
When a madman has a knife at your neck it’s a little too late to use the Chamberlain technique of appeasement.
just did a quick page thru on the old King James ,and there just aint no “Book of Judgements”
so I thought well he must mean “Judges”, well if it is it is about one of the worst parts of history for the joos. they lose most of the battles and Jerusalem gets destroyed.
so I would say as usual you dont know WTF you are talking about.
I wonder aloud what Taliban Jack would say about this video.
Muslims make up about 0.5% of the CF, more in the Reserve. The last ship I served aboard had a crew of 40. Two of them were Muslims. Both volunteered for duty in the Gulf after 9/11, acting as Arabic translators with our Naval task force.
I’ll take those guys any day over some of the ignorant fools who are posting here (I mean you, Terry Gain and RW).
Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahhabism, funds most of the most of the mosques in the west. They pay 80% of the mortages of U.S. mosques. Wahhabism, if you were not aware, is the totalitarian, radical strain of Islam which forms the basis of al Qaeda.
If Islam is so bad then why are we bothering with Iraq and Afghanistan? What do you tell the brave Iraqi and Afghan soldiers fighting and dying alongside our troops? Sorry, but you and your religion are evil.
There are more than a billion Muslims in the world. Millions live in the west. Like it or not, we have to find a way to coexist with them. I say that means cutting off Wahhabi money and throwing preachers advocating violence into jail. Encourage democracy. Fight terrorism. The old “Islam is evil” mantra isn’t going to accomplish a damn thing.
Richard Ball
The Book of Judgement is the product of a dentist John Ballou Newbrough written in the mid to late 1800’s. He supposedly wrote under the influence of spirits (automatic writing) and The Book of Judgement is only part of a much larger book Oahspe. I have no idea why it is even mentioned in this thread as no one takes Oahspe seriously. Well OK maybe a nutbar that takes Edgar Cayce seriously might, but like Cayce no one beyond first year college that even reads it. Which is completely unlike Islam where people take it so seriously that they are willing to kill and be killed in its defence and propagation. We need to have more videos like this one to prove that point despite Terry Gain and Belisarius’ protestations.
RW>
“John Daly @ 8.15
You’re not really part of this world, are you?”
Actually it’s worse RW, he’s an old hippy! You know, no bathing, lot’s of free love and dope along with hatred of “the man” amongst other drug approved Marxist views.
A liberal poster child that should have the authority to decide how you and your family should embrace a world filled with rivers of milk and honey……….and strawberry fields forever.
I seem to recall — but maybe it’s somebody else — Belisarius goes to Islam on Line, which I believe is a ME source for “information” on Islam in English for useful idiots. Apology in advance if I’m mistaken.
This “out of context” trope is getting tiresome, eh? Ibn Warrag, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali don’t think so! Hard to believe it can be said with a straight face.
I didn’t expect to be frightened after all the reading I’ve done on the subject BUT I was frightened.
Of course it’s propaganda! It’s an essential weapon — probably the most important one in this long war. We are losing the propaganda war. Israel, for example, is badly outgunned on the propaganda front. They don’t even sort out the blood libels; e.g., they had nothing to say to the world about the al Durah affair. Another example: the US has done a poor job getting out new info about Saddam’s connections with al Queda.
Remember: demonizing the Hun and the Jap was an important factor in WW2. War is no time for squeamishness, no time for delicacy, no time for nuanced and balanced presentation.
A very good film!
END MUSLIM IMMIGRATION NOW.
“We need to have more videos like this one to prove that point despite Terry Gain and Belisarius’ protestations.”Posted by: Joe at March 27, 2008 10:06 PM
Duh?
Sorry Terry I miss read one of your posts.
Belisarius: I disagree with you for the simple reason that the written doctrine that Islam is based on is barbaric. Condemning it is no different than condemning Nazis doctrine, Communist doctrine, or any other collectivist, violent, ideology. Don’t confuse the condemnation of Islam, with the condemnation of all Muslims.
What would you have said during the cold war if people were bashing Russian communists? Would you condemn people for hating Russians? Or, how about, if we bashed “nazis” in the 40’s? Would you condemn people for “hating” Germans?
German soldiers were, by the way, likely the most motivated and skilled of all soldiers to enter battle during WW2 … so, what’s your point; that you’d want German soldiers watching your back? By the way, judging Islam by 2 Muslims you worked with in the CF is racist and bigotted … knowing 2 or 5 or 10 Muslims doesn’t give you nor anyone else a position of authority on Islam. Islam must be judged in historic context.
I think that by isolating the disagreable aspects of Islam to Saudi influence shows incredible lack of knowledge on your part of the Islamic reality historically.
For starters, there has never been a single instance in history where Muslims, when they held a plurality, tolerated as equals non-Muslims. Only under dictatorship or the colonial boot did they do so.
Belisarius … you don’t get it. Get past the average Muslim … they are no different than the average German, or Italian, or Japanese during WW2 … they are basically innocent; it’s their religion though that is evil.
Finally … would’ve you told me, that I’ve got to get along with communists or nazis during WW2 or the cold war … that I had no choice but to coexist with them?
Belisarius
Your anecdotal experiences with good Muslims are of limited value in assessing how to combat militant Islam. You might start by being a little more Christian in your approach and not accuse me of saying something I didn’t say.
I didn’t suggest that most Muslims are evil. Pretending that Islamists don’t get their inspiration from the Koran is ridiculous and leaves us poorly equipped to deal with Islamism.
We should have no hesitation in taking issue with any beliefs -whether based on religion or not – that are used to justify killing and terrorizing others who don’t share those beliefs.
Joe at March 27, 2008 10:06 PM:
Well, I don’t want to be accused of being an anti-dentite.
Belisarius @ 10:05: you say, “There are more than a billion Muslims in the world. Millions live in the west. Like it or not, we have to find a way to coexist with them. I say that means cutting off Wahhabi money and throwing preachers advocating violence into jail. Encourage democracy. Fight terrorism. The old “Islam is evil” mantra isn’t going to accomplish a damn thing.”
You think that you have a balanced view about all of this, but you miss the whole point of this discussion. Nobody is cutting off foreign money or throwing anybody in jail or encouraging democracy. You’re worried about root causes of the problem, but don’t acknowledge that Wilder’s colleagues ignore that these horrific things are happening at all.
Face the reality that if you were a Dutch parliamentarian with the initiatives listed above you’d be sitting next to Geert Wilder. I don’t see why you are so appalled that he’s chosen to show a film comprised of real events to communicate how radical Islam and public complacency is ruining their country.
Belisarius: “‘Islam is evil’ mantra” – no such thing. That this latest evil is being driven by Mohammed’s teachings is real and must be addressed.
“Like it or not, we have to find a way to coexist with them.” Like it or not, Belisarius, the Muslims you are talking about (in the west and around the world for that matter)have to learn that this is a real threat in the world today and begin to act.
Nazis were Germans (white and mainly Christian) and all of us had to recognize the danger and fight what were considered ‘brothers’. We almost left it too late. (You do understand just how close we came to losing that war, don’t you?)
When the millions of Muslims who are not terrorists (and do not practice the Koran in the same way the so-called radical Islamists do) stand up and say enough is enough then they will be outnumbered – in the same way the Nazis would have been in Germany in 1938.
It is difficult to believe that someone who served in the military (even the Navy) can have no more inkling of the politics of Islam and the very real threat the practioners of this system pose to all countries of the world than you do. May I ask, were you an officer?
By the way, I didn’t ask if the Muslims were Arabs. Possibly you could also enlighten me in this instance. (I have a relative who is very high in your former sphere but will ask you instead.)
May I say, Belisarius, that the clip of the woman wearing a burqha being shot in the head took place in an open arena in Afghanistan and the stands held men who sanctioned this kind of sentence on women. Please don’t ask us what do we tell the “brave Iraqi and Afghan soldiers fighting and dying alongside our troops”. They damn well know! And I must say, at the moment I think they know better than you do what the threat of Islam under insane Immans and tyrannical leadership really is. More the pity that they don’t voice it.
So, what is the consequence? Another courageous non-Muslim puts his life on the line in their stead.
When you think about it, Europe is where they have had many wars. They try to be nice but must be just naturally nasty. While things look bad for the EU we should not loose site of the fact that so far we have not seen the supressed European nature.
When it comes to forcing others to submit to their will we need only look at the histories of Spain, France, Germany, and England etc, to see what Europeans are really like. They can surpress their nature for only so long.
Already we are starting to see the emergence of that old European nature. This film will be yet another step in that re-emergence.
The issue is that our tactics have to change. You espouse Jihad you are kicked out of the country. Not jailed, inturned, or allowed to appeal. Kicked out and sent anywhere that will take you. No second chance, no I made a mistake, you are out. If you want to live here, practice your religion under the rules of the land, not Sharia, but Canadian law. If you can not live under our rules get out. If you do not like open societies get out.
The debate on personal attacks is misguided. The debate should be on what to do with the Jihadists period. Not who is bastardizing the Quoran with translations or interpretations, but who is preaching killing non-islamists.
Well said Terry Gain:
Being a Christian myself I a bore, the after Jesus aberrations in my own faith.
Like the inquisition & other abnormal non-Christian vicious fads that the Church has believed in. I call that not Christianity but Churchianity.
Four modern events come to mind in Christian circles;
1)David Koresh & his doomsday cult.
2)Jim Jones & his poisoned Koolside drinkers.
3)The Devil in the day cares, 80’s style witch hunt.
4)The faith seed fad. Where if you gave God one dollar He would give 100 times more. Oral Roberts was big on that one, but except for Billy Graham & the Pope condemning this doctrine, it grew.
These all clearly go against established tradition the Gospels, if not the words of Jesus Himself in the Bible. Yet these doctrines, plus acts where sanctioned By laity groups & Ministers of the Church.
It was adherence to the Founders words & those Scriptures that defeated the abnormalities or malignancies that grew in the Church over time. A self correcting mechanism if you will.
That is what Makes Islam so dangerous is that not only does some of its visible institutions support terrorism but a large laity & there own Holy book does. As well there Prophet was war like in action, word & deed.
Most Muslims I agree are not fanatics , but their whole culture is devoted to a strict enforcement & environment of a feudal system, that encourages social outrages like honor killings , female mutilation & all the rest. Its sanctioned by custom & the Law.
The film clip was good propaganda but the real message lay in the little girls parroting of her Mother calling the Jews Pigs & Monkeys. Innocence suborned by hatred, disguised as Religion.
Personally I don’t care if people worship purple dinosaurs. Just leave others to presume God or not in there own fashion. They can preach all they want, or not as well. As Jesus did when he told his disciples just to leave if there word was not taken as truth.
It boils down to respecting individuals as fellow humans. Not groups but singular people.
You know where to find copies if the liveleak feeds get pulled…
Surah 8.60
three transltions
008.060
YUSUFALI: Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
PICKTHAL: Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged.
SHAKIR: And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah’s way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly.
They all say the same thing. You can find translations of all the suras quoted in the film from http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/008.qmt.html
The film’s translations are not “bad” – they are accurate.
If this film clip doesn’ instill concern in people then I don’t know what will. I e-mailed most of the people on my mail list and asked them to access the link to Kate’s site to watch this. I them asked them to send it to folks on their lists and so on and so on. This should be require watching for anyone concerned about the values of democracy, freedom, peace and free speech. This discussion must continue and it is up to right thinking people to make sure that it does continue. Our governments must be put on notice that they have to enact laws that suppress radical Islam and radical anything else. We must stop the “Neville Chamberline syndrome” that many of our Western governments (especially in Europe) have adopted. The CIA and CSIS have a big job – lets hope they are up to it.
Thanks for posting this Kate. It’s propaganda, but the type of propaganda that needs widespread distribution. In case it gets pulled, I’ve downloaded the flv file from the torrent link and have my BitTorrent server up and running so other people can download it also. Anyone who’s got the bandwidth to spare should use it to give this movie wide distribution.
Fortunately we’re not in as bad a situation as the Eurabians are and we can help ourselves by banning any further islamic immigrants to Canada unless they’re willing to agree to abide by Canadian laws. We don’t need any more mindless totalitarians in this country.
What would my ma think? Well, she had this great little old simple prairie type saying: the bit pig squeals loudest. Lotsa squealing tonight at small dead animals, eh? Where’s Kate, is what I want to know. Seems to me what she does is not any more complicated or noteworthy than old fashioned s–t disturbing.
Would she also say something about the pot calling the kettle black perhaps?
John Daly you are not. He’s a good ole boy yankee golfer. Obviously you are not he. What you are dude is an asscap coward. Try shutting your pie hole and get a life. If you can’t see the danger that is out there then you are one of them or a complete moron. We do not suffer fools. If it was me I’d just kick yer ass and send you on your way.
Belisarius was possibly in the Navy when a policy seems to have been brought into place by Rear-Admiral Tyrone Pile (Taken from CBC Aug. 25,
2006). He visited the Ottawa Central Mosque to invite Muslim youth to enlist, and said the Canadian military “does not reflect the cultural diversity in this country which is a shame”.
Because: “The Canadian Forces is really dominated in large part by Canadian white males.” (same source)
RCN Cmdr. Denise LaViolette said recruiting people of different religions and cultural backgrounds did present challenges, but the military is doing its best to accommodate their needs re dietary needs, prayer times, etc. The three Muslim women in the forces (in 2006) were issued specially tailored uniforms that were looser fitting than usual and included the hijab, the Muslim headscarf.
More delicate is the question of fighting people of their own religion and culture, but Bader Siddiqi, president of the Ottawa Muslim Association said that is an issue for many other people who join the military, including Christians. He did warn, though, that a more aggressive role in Afghanistan could be an obstacle that could harm Canada’s reputation as a peace-loving nation.
So, there you have it. Peace-loving Muslims in the military of a peace-loving nation will spread good-will. Hope the recruitment drive has been successful.
“Our enemies have some legitimate grievances”. Such as, we are Kuffar. Invite them to tea, read them some poetry, sing them a song, pick them some flowers, and sooner or later, the sunshine of your love will change their hearts and all will live in peace and harmony forever. “Don’t be such a mouse. Grow up and get real.” That’s what ma would think.
…guys are bitchin about this translation, and that translation.
Fer christ sakes people, doesn’t the blood on your monitors, and tv screen tell you something?
Beheadings not enough?
Airliners in buildings?
Hello??
gellen>
I’m a little confused (not with you) as to why anyone would want Muslims in our armies to begin with?
Can anyone else not remember the American Muslim soldier that ran into the command post with a grenade killing a bunch of real soldiers at the beginning of the Iraqi war?
Ok fine, diversity and proving one’s worth to your country is important, but separate and render harmless these units from the regular troops at least. Honestly ask yourself how safe would you feel on patrol with a couple of them locked and loaded at your backside? This can’t be a positive thing for our troops moral with these nagging questions distracting from their immediate tasks at hand. Just saying.
Listen to what the Muslim’s themselves tell us: “Take lessons from the examples you can see!” Every Western blogger, Liberal, Libertarian, Republican, Conservative, everyone! should post this video.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/currentaffairs/region/netherlands/080317-wilders-de-winter-mc
It never ceases to amaze me how radical jihadis and Muslim haters use this same method to justify themselves.
-Belisarius
And it never ceases to amaze me how liberals accuse anyone of “Muslim hatred” if he calls into question the explicit teachings of the Quran. Gee it kinda seems like the mullahs believe that this hatred is right there in the Quran, don’t it dude? The little girl in the video seems to believe it too.
So Belisarius, if you studied the Quran so thoroughly, how can you possibly fail to see these words of hate which lace every other sentence?
And do you doubt whether women are oppressed under Islamic shariah? Isn’t any decent person disgusted by the plight of poor Muslim women trapped in hot burkhas? Maybe it is you libs who are “Muslim-haters” because you are busy celebrating multi-culturism while Muslim women suffer around the world.
How can you libs be so willingly blind and deaf, and ready to sell out the West at every opportunity?
I submit that followers of the Liberal faith embrace Islam because both religions loathe Western culture and its manifest freedoms.
Freedom from Islamic shariah and terror is the new civil rights movement. Liberals will fight against this movement just as they fight against everything which is good and decent.
Thank-you for posting this Kate. Mr. Wilders is a very brave man. He must love his country very much to put his life on the line like this to try to save it and the Dutch people. It is a dire warning to North America (as was 911) that, if we care at all about ourselves and our coutries, we will heed.
after all the comments to this point i will still say islam is evil as are all those who follow the pedophile warlord mohammed.
Hmmmm, let me see…
Case 1)
Make a movie that says Christ is gay, or any other of a million things to slander Christians.
Christians complain, write letters, stop donations, beg for media time (Usually without too much success). No threats of violence, no be-headings, no riots…
Lefties pontificate – We need to examine all aspects of the subject, anything that creates discussion is a good thing, blah blah.
Case 2)
Make a movie that even shows a picture of Mohammed, let alone criticise the violence that seems to be inherent to the religion.
Muslims riot, threaten to riot more, threaten and execute violence, threaten and execute people, get ample media coverage for their point of view, etc,
Lefties condemn the film for agrravating the muslims, if there is violence it is the filmmakers fault, they made the muslims do it. Film should be banned they say.
Conclusion
Lefties are more nutty than the nutters!!
I add my thanks, Kate. This is must-watch.
And to think that the Liberals’ immigration policies (sic and sick) brought in Muslims and their families in great numbers–not all, to be sure, Islamofascists–put them on welfare, with free, all-inclusive health benefits which the vast majority of hard-working Canadians are without (because they can’t afford them)–so that they would continue to vote for them.
I’m sorry. I find that to type “Liberals” is to tell a lie. They AREN’T L/liberals; they’re Librano$. ‘Anything to maintain power, anything to get their hands on Canadians’ money for their own nefarious schemes to make them rich.
So, now Canada is home to too many immigrants who have no intention of assimilating into our society and who, in fact, wish us harm.
Thanks, Librano$. Thanks a lot.
And the rest of us better wake up fast.
I’ve read the Koran, when the surahs reference the “Battle Ground” it means any non-Muslim land on this planet. The Koran preaches and demands for global domination, the less offensive surahs tell Muslims to try and woo us then tax us and then kill us if we don’t surrender. The koran reminds me of a military manual, the moral of the koran is total and under distruction of all other religions. The Koran demands for a global Caliphate, the question is will Muslims want peace or global jihad? I really don’t know.
The video is a series of global news reports, followed up with Muslim leaders explaining why it’s okay to kill Jew Pigs and Infidel dogs and Hindus etc. It’s not fiction those events happened and were reported globally. If Muslims turn to rioting and ranting the video record of those riots will give him the material for “Part Two”. If a video of Muslims committing violent acts triggers further violence how can they possibly blame anyone but themselves for their violence tendancies?
I’d have to give Fitna two thumbs up, way up. If that makes me an evil Islamophobe, so be it. Say it with me, people: “I’m JAFI and I’m proud!”
Praise be to Kate for posting this.
Belisarius means well. However, his view is slanted.
Islam is a foundationally violent ideology, regardless of how one wants to interpret it, or tart it up. There are several reliable english translations of the Quran found here: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran.
As MND noted, Belisarius probably gets his translations from the Muslim Brotherhood at islamonline.
War is deceipt – Mohammad, Hadith
Keep in mind clever Muslims will often use the lesser, humble verses, such as “no compulsion in religion.” These verses are often used out of context, or not explained (kitman) ie “peace” means submission to allah and “innocent” means that you are Muslim. No non-Muslim is innocent.
Also, Muslims are conveniently provided with two surahs pertaining to the same topic, in which case they can believe one and reject the other, or use to deceive (dualism). As well, abrogation is how the Quran is divided between the relatively peaceful Medina period and the violent Mecca period. For example, Quran 9:5 abrogates no less than 124 less violent verses.
9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Islam is an idea and ideas can be rejected. An evil idea is not made palatable or acceptable just because a billion people believe it.
The more information Muslims receive regarding the ideology, the more they are waking up and leaving.
Islam is unreformable and irredeemable. It can only be discarded, as every violently evil ideology must be.
This video did nothing to change my views, it just depicted what I already understand the situation to be.
I guess we should expect grovelling from the Dutch government as they quake in fear of demostrations, I guess we can expect attempts on Wilders’ life. The Canadian army liberated the Dutch from the Nazi yoke, it seems that they and the rest of Europe are complacently allowing another yoke to be put on them, the Muslim yoke.
(copied from a similiar posting on the Sentinel’s Blog)
John Daly sez: “the bit pig squeals loudest. Lotsa squealing tonight at small dead animals, eh?”
Not surprisingly, he’s using Islamic terminology to dehumanize people he doesn’t agree with. “Sons of apes and pigs.” The pigs are generally described as the Christian crusaders.
John Daly is siding with a racist, misogynist, murderous, bigoted, unbelievably hateful ideology. Is his defence ignorance? I hope so for his sake.