When the concept of “multiculturalism” was introduced to Canadians, most assumed it meant “more pavilions at Folkfest”.
Hundreds of GTA Muslim men in polygamous marriages — some with a harem of wives — are receiving welfare and social benefits for each of their spouses, thanks to the city and province, Muslim leaders say.
Mumtaz Ali, president of the Canadian Society of Muslims, said wives in polygamous marriages are recognized as spouses under the Ontario Family Law Act, providing they were legally married under Muslim laws abroad.
“Polygamy is a regular part of life for many Muslims,” Ali said yesterday. “Ontario recognizes religious marriages for Muslims and others.”
He estimates “several hundred” GTA husbands in polygamous marriages are receiving benefits. Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.
Who needs four wives to collect multiple benefits? Just one woman covered in a sheet can be used. The same woman can visit the welfare office in a different sheet at another time under a different name.
Foreign countries often have birth certificates that can be bought through corruption or a claim can be made the original records were destroyed by war. At a funeral last year in Winnipeg, I noticed a grave whose occupant was over 120 at death. Did he claim early pension benefits?
Has anyone noticed that the Muslims are using our laws, institutions and sypmpathy from the “Progressives” to slowly “Muslimize” Canada. For their vote, Liberals and NDP will sell our country to Islam and Islamofascism. I refuse to be Muslim!!!
Canadians must vehemently protect against this or we will be a rotting, stinking continent like Europe!
This is what you get for voting LIBERAL!
I live on 15,000 a year and love it.Of course I could have worked my ass off and now be living on much more,but if I having a ball now,how much bigger balls could I have.Somewhere there, there is a thought.?Ya think?
So whats to prevent me an atypical Canadian from taking multiple wives? I thought it was illegal, That’s it I’m doing it!
“Has anyone noticed that the Muslims are using our laws, institutions and sypmpathy from the “Progressives” to slowly “Muslimize” Canada. For their vote, Liberals and NDP will sell our country to Islam and Islamofascism. I refuse to be Muslim!!!
Canadians must vehemently protect against this or we will be a rotting, stinking continent like Europe!”
Don’t worry, when this excuse for a democratic country becomes the sesspoll you rightly envision and that a few of the welfare breaded fruitcakes blow up a few petards in the Good old melting pot down south…The Yanks will come over and take the keys away from Ottawa. It will only require a few jets, a hand full of tanks and 5000 troops for an overnight takeover.
…Some days, I can hardly wait.
How do you wake up a Canuck?
You can’t.
ummm.
jus do it the british way – they offer the regular amount for 1 wife, and a fraction of it for the rest.
is immigration canada asleep at the wheel? thos schmucks give canadians entering the country a hard time everytime they enter, but they seem to be quite inept at their real job. i always assumed it was because most of those idiots at the airport were just jealous that some of us have enough disposable income to travel, but i guess it just boils down to plain old stupidity on their part.
seriously, they re really quite pathetic – even the americans with their heightened sense of security are politer and ask less question about how many boxers you ve purchased from other countries.
New York National Guard, Mr. Grind sir.
By the way, did you know you have more practical freedom to do things and own things as a -visitor- in the USA than you do as a citizen in Canada? That really smokes my salmon.
“Why work?”
Uh, Mark, are you married? Because the toilet paper bill alone from four women can bankrupt a working guy. Especially since no brand other than Charmin will do.
The evidence mounts all over the world:
Dhimmitude is a very real phenomenon.
Islamization is very real and accelerating.
It’s politically incorrect to say so, but say so we must.
If the Far Left can fabricate unfounded accusations, out of hatred and nothing more, against Christians supposedly “wanting to impose their values on everyone” (in a country founded on Christian principles, ironically), then surely it’s got to be perfectly acceptable to raise the alarm, armed with irrefutable evidence, that radical, imperialist, supremacist Muslims are conspiring to impose their oppressive, discriminatory ideology onto everyone.
To say so isn’t “Islamophobia”, nor is it “hatred” or any of that stuff.
To say so is about keeping our freedom, democracy, the rule of democratically-made law and human rights.
Seem to remember back during the US / Somalia war , that some warlord named “Said” who officially resided in London ON, was busy killing American soldiers in Somalia, he was also collecting welfare on his 6 or 7 wives. We sucker taxpayers were also buying these same wives airplane tickets for the wives to go back to warlord Said so they could give them our money personally in Somalia.
Said is dead ,now.
I’ve been told all the wives still live in London Ontario and still suck our system.
Miss.Mat: OT here but that was only 1 game, they(leafs) had a spaz. Things should return to normal this weekend.
A while back there was a email circulating Re: Immigrants recieve more Monies from Social Assistance & welcome to Canada in their first year Then Seniors (that have worked & paid their share of taxes & in to the CPP since its inception) recieve in a year on their CPP Pensions.
I thought this is only another email load of crap circulating, Iam seeing most likely not now.
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t.s. eliot said it best…“this is how the world ends,
not with a bang, but a whimper“.
bye-bye canada.
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I’ll second that neo — bye Canada! Good to know you once…
BryanR,
We don’t win many, so if we have to choose our spots a win over the Habs is the best.
What is it with the whiny fans at the Bell Centre, btw? Always expecting a penalty to be called for incidental- and even non- contact, and booing when the ref correctly ignores their protestations. They boo offside calls, they boo Colaiacovo being hurt … what a whiny bunch.
I know it’s an American owner, but are the fans American too? I’d expect that kind of behaviour in a non-hockey US town, but Montreal? C’mon, you’re embarassing yourselves.
That would be the same Mumtaz Ali who wrote this:
Apostasy – “According to Muslim Law, a male apostate, or murtadd, is liable to be put to death if he continue obstinate in his error”
Ikrimah relates that some apostates were brought to the Khalifa Ali, and he burnt them alive; but Ibn Abbas heard of it and said that the Khalifa had not acted rightly, for the Prophet had said “Punish not with God’s punishment (i.e., fire), but whosoever changes his religion, kill him with the sword.” (emphasis added)
For instance, whenever a major natural calamity (eg. earthquake, flood, fire, or famine, etc.) occurs in some part of the world, people from all over the world rush in to help alleviate the sufferings of the unfortunate victims. This principle, which is applied in this example to suffering of a physical, material nature, must be extended in its application to similar devastating dimensions of the emotional injuries which are inflicted upon the victims of blasphemy. For nothing can cause more destruction or havoc to the universal tolerance of people especially with respect to religious matters than this despicable capital crime.
http://www.am770chqr.com/station/blog_the_world_tonight.cfm?bid=4037&m=10&y=2006
Gypsy: “…are using…Progressives to slowly “Muslimize” Canada”
I’d add: “and mormonize”. Can you imagine the florist bill on Valentines? Yikes.
Scene: Saint-Rémi Cemetery, Quebec.
The February air is crisp as I’m surrounded by Gaul surnames carved into stone, their lives reduced to Born….Died…..
The snow crunching under my boots the only sound offered as I make my way to the gray burial chamber.
Trudeau: October 18, 1919-September 28, 2000…I have arrived.
I pull off my gloves, and with a quick check, I am alone.
zzzzziiiiippp
The gray stone of the chamber darkens as steam rises, and a crooked smile of satisfaction comes across my face knowing my mark will stay until the Spring.
My quest finished.
The headlights of my truck point West…..I long for home.
Wow what a lucky guy getting 4 wives. I can hardly keep one happy. One law for all!
Sean — I have been to a few Muslim countries, with no sign of toilet paper anywhere in the WC’s. I was warned to bring my own.
Miss. Matt — What happens in T.O. on ground hog day? 8 more weeks of bad hockey. Ha.
Conn writes: “When the same sex marriage stuff was happening there were all sorts of arguments made for legalizing polygamy (don’t understand the link between the 2…”
The courts overturned the definition of marriage as being between “one man and one woman”. What, then, would the argument be for forbidding marriage between one man and four women or three women and two men, etc.
Or one man and three camels, Roseberry. I mean, once his head is in the tent…
Was it really only a couple of years ago that we were all being assured by the Chattering Classes that “no one is talking about polygamy anyway!!!” when we raised the issue re: gay marriage?
So Kathy, this raises an interesting question.
If a Muslim man in Toronto marries three camels, as seems to be his incontestable right, will he get the baby bonus check for the “children” of all three wives? Or just the first one? And does artificial insemination count, or will he have to adopt them?
Conversely, if a White man marries three camels will he get jail time or community service?
Canada is known the world over as the easiest to obtain, and the most generous welfare benefits available.
True story. My brother was involved with installing some wiring in a hospital in Somalia. Laying under the floor, he overheard a conversation between a few locals. They were debating which country to go to as refugees. In no short order, Canada was the chosen(lucky us) country for these refugee scam artists to bilk.
Known for peacekeeping, my arse. We are known as an easy target when it comes to pigging(sorry muzzies) at the trough.
So what the hell happened to the “self supporting” part of immigration? I’ve known a few immigrants who have had to line up for years and prove self sufficiency before they were allowed to immigrate. I know because they were extremely ticked off at the ” Get in free” by the boatload refugee program in BC.
Ever think of emmigrating to Oz? I thought about retiring to Australia until I read the fine print: basically you have to prove you are not going to be a burden on the Australian society and be able to pay your own way (including health insurance). Heck, just to visit you need a $10k bond or a return ticket. They don’t take kindly to freeloaders.
“Saint-Rémi Cemetery, Quebec.”
Thank you Rednik!
richfisher,
Your welcome…just a little fantasy of mine.
A couple of years back, when our family was touring Turkey, my dear wife asked our tour guide about polygamous muslim marriage. His reply was that their religion was very specific and firm in that the man was required to be able to support all of his wives or it was not allowed. He further stated that this particular qualification was the reason that polygamous marriage was not a regular occurrence. I wonder what the Imams of these adherents have to say about these men living off of the government welfare of their wives rather than supporting them as required by their religious laws.
It looks like the only real hurdle to run this scam is get a legalized Muslim ceremony abroad.
I am sure for a price there is a cleric that would do it.
Is the federal goverment going to come up with a test for who is Muslim and who isnt.
Sniff sniff “you smell like bacon and booze you are not a Muslim!”
“no offence Mark but 5 people on $72k per year.
I would still have to work.”
Right of center,
Don’t worry, they have other sources of income, but why forgo the government largess, it’s so easy to get. And don’t forget those people have no guilt. They are not us!
“Under Islamic law, a Muslim man is permitted to have up to four spouses.”
Under Canadian law, you can only have 1. I don’t give a sh#t about Islamic law. In fact, as far as I’m concerned, there is no such thing.
I wish our governments would snap out of it and do what we elected them to do. That includes upholding our laws – the laws the people made, not some judge with a messiah complex. If the “progressives” sitting as Supreme Court justices refuse to accept the will of the people, then out they go.
Re: “So whats to prevent me, an atypical Canadian from taking multiple wives? Posted by: bob at February 8, 2008 1:27 PM”
Well, good sense, one would hope;)
Where are all the apologists on this thread?
Heh, reminds me of this fable I heard on Addler awhile back………it would be funny if it was not so true in CanuckSTAN.
“CLASSIC VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a
fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the
ant is warm and well fed. The shivering grasshopper has no food or shelter, so
he dies out in the cold.
THE END
THE CANADIAN VERSION:
The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his
house and laying up supplies for the winter. The grasshopper thinks he’s a
fool, and laughs and dances and plays the summer away. Come winter, the
ant is warm and well fed. So far, so good, eh?
The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why
the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others less
fortunate, like him, are cold and starving.
The CBC shows up to provide live coverage of the shivering grasshopper;
with cuts to a video of the ant in his comfortable warm home with a table
laden with food.
Canadians are stunned that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer so while others have plenty.
The NDP, the CAW and the Coalition Against Poverty demonstrate in front of
the ant’s house. The CBC, interrupting an Inuit cultural festival special
from Nunavut with breaking news, broadcasts them singing ‘We Shall
Overcome.’
Jack Layton rants in an interview with Mike Duffy that the ant has gotten
rich off the backs of grasshoppers, and calls for an immediate tax hike on
the ant to make him pay his ‘fair share’.
In response to polls, the Conservative Government drafts the Economic Equity
and Grasshopper Anti-Discrimination Act, retroactive to the beginning of the
summer.
The ant’s taxes are reassessed, and he is also fined for failing to hire
grasshoppers as helpers.
Without enough money to pay both the fine and his newly imposed
retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.
The ant moves to the US, and starts a successful agribiz company.
The CBC later shows the now fat grasshopper finishing up the last of the
ant’s food, though spring is still months away, while the government house
he is in, which just happens to be the ant’s old house, crumbles around
him because he hasn’t bothered to maintain it.
Inadequate government funding is blamed, Bob Rae is appointed to head a
commission of enquiry that will cost $10,000,000.
The grasshopper is soon dead of a drug overdose, the Toronto Star blames
it on the obvious failure of government to address the root causes of despair
arising from social inequity.
The abandoned house is taken over by a gang of immigrant spiders, praised
by the government for enriching Canada’s multicultural diversity, who
promptly set up a welfare scam(my edit) and terrorize the community.
THE END”
And here in Alberta “ED” is building 11,000 new low cost homes, after stealing billions from the oil industry to do it!
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2007/10/29/homeless-announcement.html
nothing to see here folks, move along……
T S Elliot may have been the original author of the line, but the guy who deliberately screwed this country up big time, also used it as the title to his last book –
Not with a Bang, But With a Whimper – Pierre Trudeau.
The end of Canada.
The evil men do lives after them.
How did these extra wife’s get pass immigration? This country only allows one spouse so they must have lied on the forms, other wise they would not be here. Its against the law in Canada period. Why our government put up with this crap these people is beyond me. These people are not good immigrants if they are on welfare. Send them back to the land of continual protest instead of work. And take there extra women with them. Buy the way were is the womens groups protesting this?
Seem to remember Mark Steyn writing in “America Alone” (can’t check – passed the book on to alarm someone else) that he was a bit bemused that liberals were so complacent since for somebody who is conservative Islamic rule wouldn’t necessarily be a big deal. “just grow my beard, marry another wife and keep my head down” is a paraphrase of what he wrote.
However, for the feminists and the gays Islamic rule would definitely rain on their parade.
It is against the law in Canada, for a review board to ask an immigrant applying for refugee status, if they are lying or have lied on their application.
All the rules, every single one of them, were written by an immigration lawyer.
Immigration lawyers make less money, if less immigrants are let into Canada. Conversely, immigration lawyers get paid more, if more immigrants are let into Canada.
Whoa, there, buds. Before we go shutting down this good thing, let’s see if we can get one of these Muslim fellers to marry my wife and take her off my hands.
kakola – a great Rodney Dangerfield post. LOL.
But, back to another point, I guess because my husband and I had only girls I think he would have jumped off a bridge if one more estrogen unit entered our house. The poor guy never was allowed to linger in a bathroom long and God help him if he offered some lame domestic advice like a color or fashion opinion. Harems aren’t a good thing for most real men which leads me to the whole Muslim male pathological polygamy thing, it’s just another one of their stupid macho male cultural things of theirs.
kakola,
In their ‘religon’ they have every right to take your wife as a spoil of war. And in doing so, your marriage is not recognized and therefore dissolved. You might not like your wife, but do you like their arrogant sense of allah given rights over yours?
It’s the Islamic ideology that needs to be defeated with extreme prejudice.
Nothing new here folks. Fifteen years ago, while working at a banking branch in an area with a high Somali population, welfare day was always a treat. The “family” would drive up in their Toyota or Honda, and one by one each woman (frequenly pregnant) would come into the bank to cash her cheque. And we’re not talking small change here. Most cheques were in the region of $2,000-$3,000! Each of these women were “single” mothers. Then the father would come in with his cheque – not nearly so kind to dear old dad, as his “single” status only allowed benefits of about $600. However, depending on how many women were in each of these “families” their take was between $3,000 and $10,000 per month! And the best is that they were all living in subsidised housing. Had to you know, they were “poor single mothers.” As they left the bank, each woman would hand over her “eanings” to the male. Quite a system.
We knew there were multiple families all living under the same roof.
We knew they were collecting welfare fraudulently.
But, none of us in the bank could do anything about, restricted as we were by confidentiality laws.
What made this even more obscene is that none of them was a Canadian citizen. And to add insult to injury, many of the men had jobs where they were paid in cash under the table. They took and they took and they continue to take. And we open our pockets – whether we want to or not!
Grrrrrrrh; I was in a good mood and now I’m kicking the furniture. What the hell is happening to my country. I gotta go piss on trudeau’s grave again. Maybe that will make me feel just a bit better.
CConn- Is this what you’re remembering?
http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200602030805.asp
Bailey has been working on abolishing marriage. Polygamy is the next step. The Muslims are just being helpful.
Come on Kate… Muslim men having 4 wives in Toronto… This can’t be true… especially if they are collecting welfare for all the wives…. Give me some proof..
Why hasn’t the MSM reported this.. Are they on the take…
Maybe Mansbridge has a harem too. Maybe that’s why we haven’t heard of this.
Why hasn’t W5 or The Fifth Estate done a story on this?
Don’t the MSM know about this stuff, or is it that they don’t care or they are afraid of being called racist (even though Muslim isn’t a race).
This is making me depressed. I feel like taking this to the Human Rights Commission because it is offending me.
Where are the women’s groups again?
It seems that Womens’ Rights Groups are only vocal if the “bad guy” is a poor shlubby bewildered white guy. When the heads start getting lopped-off they apparently run for cover.
Have I missed something somewhere? Please enlighten me.
“It’s like the Tcechs, Russians and Roumanians who are controlling much of Toronto’s poll dancers/female slave prostitution rings: They want more of their women in so they can exploit them here…They use to go see Judy Sgro (Liberal Immigration Minister) for that. And BTW: Most all the cash made here from this lucrative business is transfered into US greenback and smuggled back to the cartels of those countries. I know, a cop told me. So that money is not even reinvested in Canada!”
You think that’s bad. Try living in Britain where the EU dissolved borders. Some months back we had a Slovak gypsy arrive. He has been in Britain for ten years collecting welfare cheques because he is “incapacitated” Originally he made a bullshit asylum claim because he was “persecuted” in Slovakia. Tens of thousands of scabs like this turned up every year in Britain from 1997 on. Immigration in 1997 couldn’t turn them back to the crap hole they came from because they said the magic word “asylum” so the British taxpayer then picks up the tab. However to return to our story. The Slovak had with him a girl on a fake Slovak ID. She was from outside the EU. Now it transpires the Slovak runs a brothel in Britain and aside from collecting welfare for ten years is known for being a pimp and bringing in illegal immigrants. He sends the profits back to Slovakia. In a sensible country he would be locked up for a few years then deported to Slovakia. Not in Britain though. He is allowed in because “He’s European and we can’t stop Europeans coming to the UK” such is the state of Britain now. As for Somalis well I think a recent program summed it up for me. They interviewed some deadbeat living in a council house in London. She had I believe six kids. She was bitching because she “only” received £30,000 a year ($60,000) in welfare. I once heard someone describe Somalis as locusts and I know know what they meant. There are no accurate figures for the numbers of Somalis in Britain and the government would not publish the numbers receiving welfare but from what I have seen it must run into the tens if not hundreds of thousands and by my reckoning the vast majority are on welfare.
As former US President Ford once remarked. “If you pay people to be poor you will never run out of poor people”
The Ontario Family Law Act:
Polygamous marriages
(2) In the definition of “spouse”, a reference to marriage includes a marriage that is actually or potentially polygamous, if it was celebrated in a jurisdiction whose system of law recognizes it as valid. R.S.O. 1990, c. F.3, s. 1 (2).
http://www.canlii.org/on/laws/sta/f-3/20040802/whole.html
What about the legislation in other provinces. Where do they stand?
Apologists not necessary, Kate. But the debunkers are here.
http://www.stageleft.info/2008/02/09/the-frother-the-stunned-and-the-wholly-gross-in-harmony/#comment-130636