Summerland Tonight (Bumped)

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Saturday afternoon update.

The fires are still raging. As usual, the most recent reports will be available via X, (but watch for fakes from engagement grifters).

Dan, in the comments;

Water bombing the fire itself is like trying to put out a bonfire with a teaspoon. It doesn’t work. Those airplanes and helicopters instead drop the water or retardant just ahead of the fire line, hoping to make the fuel too wet to burn. Retardant will give off carbon dioxide when it gets hot, to displace the oxygen that feeds the fire.

Yes, there are big lakes right there, but water is terrifically heavy and the airplanes are limited in their weight-lifting capabilities. The fire is huge and very hot and small amounts of water on it do little, but we have no other extinguishing technologies. The smarter thing is to manage the forests, using controlled burns in the winter to remove the dead stuff on the forest floor that makes the fire hotter so that the trees catch.

I was a mechanic on those big bombers for a short time. I remember a fire in northwest Alberta that was so hot that even the retardant had no effect on it. The fire ate it and kept going. One has to be involved with this business to see the limitations. Those big bombers carried 3000 US gallons of water or retardant, a small fraction of the water in a typical backyard swimming pool. Now fly over a subdivision and see those small pools, and then fly over the forest and see how it stretches out forever, and imagine a small slice of that swimming pool trying to douse a fire. Not so easy or quick.

    Original post content below.

@Okanaganscan Multiple people being rescued by helicopter in summerland. Many accounts of having 5 minutes and then being shoved into the helicopter


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76 Replies to “Summerland Tonight (Bumped)”

  1. The fire went from 50 hectares at 5:00 pm to over 5000 by 9:30 local time. We live in West Kelowna, had to go to Peachland to get some stuff from a storage locker. The plume is amazing, growing like a cloud. Acrid smoke in the air. Ash is dropping.
    We are praying for miraculous rain. Thats all that will help now.

    Some first responders are saying that this fire is growing like nothing they have ever seen. The trees and vegetation are incredibly dry.

    We have personally watched an inordinate amount of chem trails a couple of weeks ago. Just sayin…

    1. Chem trails? Puleeze. What are you implying?
      If you saw an inordinate amount of chem trails around here, it must have been a while back, as the valley skies have been yellow and opaque with indistinct outlines of the surrounding hills for many days,
      That said, this is a bad year for fires in the valley, and this Summerland one is especially bad and growing.
      At least the one up by Vernon is seemingly under control, but 100s of homes lost.
      Many firefighters are coming from all over the world to help. God bless them.
      We have our “go bags” ready and hope we don’t have to evacuate.
      Praying for rain.

      1. Ok, Brah. Stay safe.
        I don’t have lyin’ eyes, but I know chem trails when I sees them!

        1. I wasn’t suggesting that you didn’t see bunch of chem trails a while ago, but just wondering what they would have to do with a fire.
          Stay safe back at ya.

        2. “Chemtrails” are nothing more than condensed water vapour that has formed ice crystals. When a gallon of jet fuel is burned, as much as a gallon and a half of water is created, the result of hydrogen from the fuel and oxygen in the air. It will have traces of carbon dioxide and a few other combustion byproducts. We know these marks in the sky as contrails. There are no added chemicals, and if there were, they would have no impact on anything from over 30,000 feet. They would dissipate just like the contrails do. The contrails often disappear rapidly, or are not visible at all behind an airliner, depending on the humidity at that altitude. Low humidity lets them evaporate quickly, high humidity keeps them there. The humidity changes all the time, depending on the weather up there.

    2. This is what the media won’t mention, and the brainwashed populace is unable to see.

      Chemtrails.

      Off-the-charts, chemtrails on steroids.

      And yet unbelievably there are still those who repeat their programming that they are somehow regular contrails. It blows the mind, but that is the result of conditioning someone to lies. Repetition, mockery, and lies.

      The aluminum chaff spread over the years has been ridiculous – even over glaciers where aluminum should not exist. The chemtrails appear to be related to weather manipulation, working in concert with high-powered Doppler radar towers. These towers have been observed to send out pulses in sync, effectively steering weather. They appear to be able to push humid air past where it would normally dump moisture as rain.

      The people are fed anthropogenic global warming, and see the results of organizations purposely creating arid conditions and then setting fires using direct energy weapons (DEW). Those who get their “news” from state propaganda networks like the CBC believe in either the moronic, anti-scientific scam of AGW, or for those who aren’t that unintelligent, they believe in isolated arsonists.

      1. So sad, your delusions. Flat earth and all.
        I was a commercial pilot. If there was such skulduggery going on in aviation, there would be no hiding it.

        Aluminum chaff? Aluminum is the most abundant metal in the earth’s crust. It’s everywhere as oxides or sulfates or chlorides or whatever. It corrodes easily because it cannot wait to get back into the earth where it came from. One never finds aluminum in a natural metallic state. It reacts far too quickly with oxygen and other elements. Furthermore, aluminum chaff would be detected on radar, just as it was on D-Day in WW2 when bombers dropped chaff at appropriate intervals to deceive German radar operators into thinking that Allied ships were coming to Calais. There was no altitude component to radar back then. There is now, and aluminum chaff would show up on everyone’s radar, including the onboard weather radar in so many aircraft, even small airplanes.

        Where are these Doppler radar towers? The only radar installations are related to aviation. Maybe you’re mixed up with the old LORAN system that has been decommissioned since GPS took over as navigation for air and sea craft. Timed pulses, it made, and by triangulating those accurately timed pulses from several stations a LORAN receiver could determine its location. All gone now. GPS is far more accurate and needs far less power. I have used both systems.

        Weather modification? Radar pushing weather around? Ha. You have no idea the scale and weight of the atmosphere.

        Forest fires have been this bad since I was a kid, and for long before I was anything at all. In the 1960s the forestry guys would come to the sawmill where my Dad worked and conscript the men to go fight fires. The areas burned now are far smaller than they used to be, and are started primarily by lightning and humans. Humans that leave campfires burning, humans that toss cigarette butts out the car window, humans that go into the forest when it’s too dry and has been closed to all persons, humans that actually, maliciously start fires. We sure don’t need DEW weapons to start fires. We have enough morons to do the job for free.

        Your allegations are completely unsupported by any science at all.

        1. Don’t have the energy to argue with you right now. But your rebuttals don’t apply to anything I’ve claimed. High aluminum, as well as barium and strontium deposits being sprayed from planes has been repeatedly been documented. This is not a theory. Notice that I have never claimed that the chemtrails come from commercial airplanes.

          Just Google “NEXRAD”. Do you seriously believe that anything someone claims that you don’t want to believe is made up?

          Who are you to say what I do or don’t know about the atmosphere? You just WANT to believe that I don’t to make you feel better about your beliefs.

          As for DEW, this also isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s about observing houses burn down while shrubs around them do not. It’s about seeing steel beams melt, bend, and rust from fire. It’s about seeing aluminum rims melt into puddles while nearby grass is still green. It’s about watching videos of posts of chain link fences burning. Yes, the METAL is burning. Of trees burning from the roots up, as though from an electrical source like an incandescent lightbulb.

          I could go on all day, but please don’t presume to think that my views aren’t informed, aren’t scientific, or are formed from ignorance.

          1. Houses are made of dry wood. They burn. Shrubs and grass in a yard that has been watered are too green to burn. Tires burn real hot and will melt wheels made of aluminum which has a much lower melting temperature, less than half that of steel. Steel beams will get red-hot and soft and bend in a hot house fire. It only takes 1100°F to do that. Chain-link fencing is galvanized, and what you see burning is the zinc plating on the steel wire. Trees often start burning at the ground, where the dry, dead brush has accumulated.

            It’s all physics, not DEW fantasies.

        2. That was a beauty answer to the delusional weirdo but it will keep being weird regardless.

          Interestingly, I know most of what you speak of. The closest I got to chaff was loading the XM-130 Chaff and Flare launchers on the sides of the helicopters way back in the day.

          Thanks for your informed input.

  2. Well … there’s a rather LARGE Okanagan Lake sitting there for lots of water tanker planes, and helicopters to use to fight the fire. So what’s up with that? Don’t tell me your BC and Federal govt. haven’t purchased the necessary fire fighting equipment for ALL the multiple climate change fires? Didn’t Kelowna burn to the ground a few years ago? Surely your government took the multiple arson, err natural spontaneously combusted fires seriously and upped their firefighting capabilities. Because government keeps you safe, eh?

    https://youtu.be/lHYkvos1r0I?si=G-zvyfpbdCOjC34V
    I don’t believe this was what Everclear were singing about … this doesn’t sound like heaven to me …

    1. They can’t fly at night. This is a mountainous area and the water drops have to be from close proximity. They need to see the hills to avoid, the obvious.
      They have to survive the night.
      The original designated fire co-ordinates are right on the Princeton-Summerland Rd.
      Dollars to Donuts, its an arson.
      The Okanagan is ALWAYS hot and dry by August, with temps at 95-100F, since I was a toddler there and before that.

      2. “Dollars to Donuts, its an arson.”

        Yup. But the official cause has been predetermined.

      3. Our airial support are trained to fly at night with special night vision, so they ARE able to attack with water during the night. Tech has improved a lot.

        Not every plane has this equipment, but everything is utilized that is available.

        1. My point is that it’s 2026 … and suddenly for the first time in my 71 years … fires are exploding everywhere. So where is the high tech firefighting solutions? Or do these fires somehow certify the global warming narrative. Psst … it’s hot and dry every summer … and has been for all my 71 years. So why isn’t the government ramping up the ability to fight fires. Buy more water dropping aircraft. Lots more. Create a rapid deployment and portable air traffic control system. The entire government needs to prevent these fires from spreading ASAP.

          Watching these fires destroy homes and lives is sickening. And unforgivable.

          1. There have been zero new waterbombers built in Canada since 2015. ZERO. De Havilland Canada has only very recently began to build the new DHC-515 waterbomber and it is a very slow building process. Much of the aircraft’s construction is by hand including individual pop rivets. An airplane ordered today will not be received until the early 2030’s. The earliest scheduled delivery is in 2028.
            https://tinyurl.com/5dbxrmu2
            https://tinyurl.com/kwsw25vm
            This is unacceptable. It is very much a failure of government to not be properly equipped to fight forest fires effectively in the world’s second largest country that is covered by 318 Billion trees. Liberal governments continue to fail Canadians time after time after time. So much for ‘building at speeds never seen before’. Nothing but lies.

          3. here Is some rubbish that may as well come from a bulls ass but the ai has suggested.

            A high-tech firefighting solution uses advanced tools like artificial intelligence (AI), drones, IoT sensors, and sound waves to detect, predict, and put out fires faster while reducing water or chemical damage.

            There is no high tech solution for mass volume, you can use water or chemicals and chemicals will probably pollute the crap out of the forest.

            The best solution was in the post, maintain the forest, keep the undergrowth cleared. Good luck to the arsonist who attempts to light a fire by holding a match to a living tree. Greenies dont want the undergrowth cleared, greenies want to live surrounded by trees.

    2. I spoke with the Mayor of Peachland last night, he said there were 5 water bombers on standby alert all day yesterday as conditions were extreme. As soon as they were notified of the fire, they were airborne.
      We have watched the waterbombers flying a lot over the past month out here. They have been very busy!!

          1. There are over 120 helo’s deployed by various companies firefighting right now. Haven’t heard the water bomber tally yet. They are spread all over the province. Saw them in the Castlegar area firefighting 2 weeks ago. Flying right over our campsight next to the river, making their runs up to the fires coming towards the city. Smoke built quickly. The same planes were in Penticton (we made note of the numbers on the tails) last week. Moving them around as required.

          2. But Glacierman … Helios can one carry a tiny fraction of what water tankers can carry … and Dan Thomas describes those water drops as teaspoons (hence my call for LOTS MORE teaspoons) … so Mr. Thomas mocks your helicopters as worthless, and a waste of money. Shut up and let it burn

    3. Water bombing the fire itself is like trying to put out a bonfire with a teaspoon. It doesn’t work. Those airplanes and helicopters instead drop the water or retardant just ahead of the fire line, hoping to make the fuel too wet to burn. Retardant will give off carbon dioxide when it gets hot, to displace the oxygen that feeds the fire.

      Yes, there are big lakes right there, but water is terrifically heavy and the airplanes are limited in their weight-lifting capabilities. The fire is huge and very hot and small amounts of water on it do little, but we have no other extinguishing technologies. The smarter thing is to manage the forests, using controlled burns in the winter to remove the dead stuff on the forest floor that makes the fire hotter so that the trees catch.

      I was a mechanic on those big bombers for a short time. I remember a fire in northwest Alberta that was so hot that even the retardant had no effect on it. The fire ate it and kept going. One has to be involved with this business to see the limitations. Those big bombers carried 3000 US gallons of water or retardant, a small fraction of the water in a typical backyard swimming pool. Now fly over a subdivision and see those small pools, and then fly over the forest and see how it stretches out forever, and imagine a small slice of that swimming pool trying to douse a fire. Not so easy or quick.

      1. Yeah, you’re right. We need lots and lots of teens with shovels and pickaxes digging fire lines, and hope they don’t get burned up as the fire overruns them. Or … just let the fire burn itself out … because well … planes can’t hold much water. Pray for rain. Just let it burn.

        Yes, the forests should be managed. Esp. near population centers. Oh! Wait! Better yet, we should ALL live in 15 min. concrete cities. No one should live anywhere near the wild lands.

        Oh. PS … here’s what my AI told me …
        An air tanker can hold up to 9,400 gallons of water or fire retardant.

        A pea shooter in blast furnace? Yeah … just let it all burn down. Do nothing. Hope and pray for the best. Throw your arms up. Too bad you all drive gas guzzling pickup trucks that are killing Gaia. It’s all your fault. Do Nothing.

        Yes, we can fly to Mars and colonize the Moon. Build robots that can do anything man can do. Hell … we can build AI data centers that instantly tell me Air tankers can hold up to 9,400 gallons. The sum total knowledge of mankind at my fingertips … but put out fires? Nope. We’re helpless victims who need to sit down, shut up, and stop thinking like a Californian or something.

        Oh well … enjoy the decline, cause we’re all victims.

        1. Some bombers can carry over 19,000 gallons. The 747 is one. The DC-10 can haul 12,000. I worked on the old Lockheed Electras; they carry 3000 gallons. There are not many of the really big ones flying, and those that do can’t maneuver easily in the mountain canyons where so many of BC’s fires are. They are too fast and too heavy and ponderous. They can’t make a downhill run without picking up a bunch of speed, unlike the propeller-driven ships that can use the props to hold the airplane speed down. There are other less-obvious disadvantages to the big jets, too.

          A 20″ x 40′ pool with an average depth of 3.5 feet holds almost 21,000 US gallons of water. Even the 747 can’t carry it all, and that bit of water is still tiny in the overall scheme of things.

          1. Psst. Lots more tankers, flying and dumping constantly. Make it rain. Rather than pray for rain, eh? Fire doesn’t like rain, Eh?

        2. Then why bother according to your logic. Let it all burn. Burn it all down. Don’t buy more tankers. PS … I’m pretty sure a 747 could easily dip into the MASSIVE Lake Okanagan and fly reasonably close to the mountainous terrain. You do know we have all manner of electronic proximity sensors? And if we need to design new aircraft suited to this purpose then why not? This is a WAR on Terrorism … and deserves at least what we’ve spent in Afghanistan to fight the war on terrorism … over there. Well, the WAR is HERE … and we need to step up the spending. Including electronic surveillance to at least find and execute the arsonists.

          1. Pretty sure, are you? What is your aviation experience? The airplanes that skim the lake to pick up water are all amphibious or are flying boats. They are slower and made to operate off water.They are actually planing on the water to do the scooping. A 747’s minimum flying speed is much too high to be flying anywhere close to the surface and scooping water; the drag of such an operation would be fatal. An error of a few inches would crash it. It has to be pumped full at an airport, like most bombers.

            Designing new aircraft is horrendously expensive. And since the numbers of large bombers that would sell would be quite small, they would have prohibitive price tags. This is the reason we see old airliners being used for it. When I was a kid, the firefighters were flying airplanes from the second world war: TBM Avengers, Catalinas, B-25s and A-26s, the Martin Mars (the last one of only three built was recently retired), and so on. They all wore out and were replaced with newer, high-time airliners. Purpose-built water bombers like the Canadair CL215T, which carries 1200 gallons and costs around US$6 million, are going back into production. It’s an older design, so little or no R&D cost this time around.

          2. Once again Dan. You’re right. Let it burn. And move everyone into 15min walkable concrete cities where they speak fluent Punjabi or Arabic. Burn ALL of Canada’s harvestable forestland … because capitalism’s baaaaad MmmmKay.

            PS … my aviation “experience” is that of a taxpaying US citizen who has funded Moon Flights, Star Wars Defensive missile technologies, and the improbable Stealth fighters and bombers. What I do know about aviation is that my $$$$$ can make it rain. And we are fighting a WAR on Terror … on our own homeland. It’s long past time to make it rain

          3. OK … load 747’s at the airport with full loads of water while the amphibious planes scoop the lake. Pssst … my thinking never drives me into a cul de sac as yours appears to do. You are suggesting NONE of the aerial water assault is of any good whatsoever … so why bother. That’s a cul de sac of death and destruction. Enjoy your time there.

            Psst … that swimming pool is butt load of water on a raging fire.

  3. how long before the Liberals blame,oh, l dunno, the helicopter pilots?
    they’re forever blaming someone else.
    Trump. that’s it. CBC will find a way to blame Trump. you saw it here first !!!

        1. It’s annually everywhere, with the possible exception of Quebec.
          Also, places with drought conditions are prone to this shit.
          Wet places, not so much.
          Prince Rupert isn’t known for dry fire conditions.

      2. No, actually it doesn’t. Rapid City, SD and Flagstaff, AZ learned their lesson when both cities nearly burned to the ground. Forest management on the outskirts of both cities is now stellar.

    2. Well, it’s a beautiful area until it’s burning down. Never used to be a problem until the area population exploded starting in the 90s.
      Coincidence?
      Okanagan fires used to be rare, very rare indeed. Now all it takes is a loony or two, that hates development, cars, modern life, etc, and lights fires to “teach everybody a lesson”.
      I was born there, and have wanted to move back and retire, but, between the fires, the lack of doctors, the crazy cost of housing there, poor water, and, the huge growth there, I’m better off staying put. Sad really.
      The Okanagan has ALWAYS been hot and dry, with “drought conditions” during the summer season, since the last ice age. Don’t let the media suggest it just happened 20 years ago.
      What’s going on here in Summerland and Peachland is criminal.

      1. It’s not the growing population, who came here to enjoy and contribute to the valley, but it’s rather the alarming growth of what you call the “loonies” who are here for criminal and or suffering from mental illness issues. I wouldn’t want to suggest anything more nefarious.

        1. One of them is too many Stevie.
          They are everywhere. Problem is, in the Okanagan, one firebug is one too many.
          Most of those forests have stood for decades without burning down, despite the typical, hot, arid, dry, “drought” conditions of a normal Okanagan summer.
          My late grandpa, an orchardist in the south, kept meticulous records of daily highs, lows, and weather of the day. He was a Saskatchewan boy….he also had his charts for windchill factors, temperature rate, etc.
          What is lost on the Greentards and Climate Chicken Littles of today, is that nothing has changed up there from 70 years ago. Nothing, except the proliferation of firebugs, and, the prohibition of proper forest management/thinning, that was also a regular occurrence years back. It was a regular business to go up into the mountains and woods, and thin the forest of young pine and fir, to use as props for the heavily fruit laden tree branches. My cousin did this annually for work in the winter when times were tough.
          Not any more, for many reasons, not the least of which is ENVIRONMENTALISM!

          1. I hear you.
            I planted trees in the 1970s around here, and all over BC.
            I observed some of the forest practices you mention.
            Then, sacred treefrogs or something got in the way of sanity.

        2. Probably shipped out from Vancouver during one of their many “clean up the city for a month” campaigns ahead of events like FIFA. I hear this time they shipped them to the Interior; 2010 Olympics shipped them over to the Island and small towns like Duncan are still dealing with the fallout, plus I think that’s when Pandora Street in Victoria started getting bad with tents.

        1. I like Armstrong, too.
          A great place to buy cheese and enjoy a farmfare/rodeo event.

          2. Presumably a Blue Rodeo tribute, but who knows? Could be Mancini arrangements of Gene Autry tunes.

      3. More recently, people want houses in among those nice pretty spruce and pine trees, tree that burn real hot and fast when they’re dry. They have resin in their needles that is easily combustible, even in normal wetter weather. When the trees burn, so do the houses. That’s why Kelowna lost some 260 homes in 2003, all of them in a forested subdivision.

        There are more guys with ATVs and dirt bikes and 4x4s that can get into more remote areas, and their carelessness starts fires.

        Something people don’t generally know: The Okanagan is near the northernmost end of the North American Desert system that starts with the Sonora Desert in Mexico, stretching from Mexico all the way north into BC. I grew up in Kamloops, and that desert, with its sagebrush and small cacti and rattlesnakes ended just a few miles north of town. Spokane, with its huge fires right now, is in that desert. Dry country. Just drive though Idaho and Nevada and Utah and Arizona and New Mexica and see that desert.

      4. From the very first moment I started a family and was working for a living I dreamed of moving to the rolling CA foothills … when we retired. I would find 10+ acres on the grid and build a luxurious farmhouse, barn/workshop, pool, and Sportcourt .., above the valley fog line … at the bottom of the lowest snow line. 500 year old oak trees scattering the golden hills, with dense oak forests along every creek and rivulet. Where gray pines transition to ponderosa’s and sugar pines. Open spaces. Views across the rolling hills.

        Then, 20 years ago … my State started burning because global warming [sic]. Of course it was arson and it was strategic lack of forest management. Of course it was fundamentalist radical “environmentalism”. It’s almost as if 20 years ago … at the moment Al Gore published his Convenient LIES about global warming mockumentary … our State started burning. Just as Al predicted in his film. It’s almost as if his insanity inspired the insane.

        Well since 20 years ago …

        I turned to look but it was gone
        I cannot put my finger on it now
        The child is grown, the dream is gone …

        But I refuse to become comfortably numb to the pure EVIL … the flaming HELL … that has been unleashed on our beautiful nations … and now even onto Europe.

  6. Can Pootie lend a few hyperbaric bombs? Might snuff out a few fires and arsonists.
    No! Just let it go out on its own.
    It balances out, like a budget.

  7. So what started this fire? Couldn’t see any indication on lightning strike website were to blame. So arson or stupidity? By the way, anybody ever caught engaging in arson in these types of situations should be charged with terrorism and dealt with accordingly.

    1. “Fire is natural” … let it burn.
      That is the misunderstood narrative that has kept us from doing anything about it.

  9. A correction to one of my posts above:

    The Canadair CL-215T is not $6 million US. It’s $60 million. Alberta is buying five of them for $400 Canadian. That’s C$80 million apiece.

    1. Wow! That’s a LOT of plastic Canadian loonies for teaspoons of water on bonfires. Which I read somewhere above.

      Now how about 10x that amount … to cope with the thousands of arson fires every summer throughout your virgin lands? 5 won’t make a dent.

    2. May I suggest you get some aeronautical engineering expertise from your (new) primary economic partner.

      https://ctif.org/news/china-launches-mass-production-worlds-largest-water-bomber

      I don’t usually bother, But I can AI my knowledge base that will surpass your experience … ‘in the industry’ … with a couple simple questions. But I’m not arguing the nonsensical negative details. I’m arguing we find a way … whatever it takes … to stop the complete destruction of our forestlands, grasslands, and farmlands. We need to find a way to get it done. And it seems the ChiComs are light years ahead of us. But then again … when a nation is in the middle of deindustrializing … oh well.

      1. I did not imply that water/retardant bombing is useless. I simply made it clear that it has severe limitations, and so is often used to protect properties rather than to try to extinguish a hot, fast-moving fire. They are bombing the daylights out of that fire, yet it is still growing. Burning embers are being carried by the wind as much as a mile or so into unburnt areas, which is why it expands so fast. In the Kelowna fire of 2003, trees burned so fast that they created extremely powerful updrafts that would lift the entire tree out of the ground and fling it downwind.

        These are not just big campfires. They create their own weather and winds and send embers and ash to great altitudes.

        There are numerous ground-crew personnel with tanks and pumps and hoses working at the edge of the fire as well. Aerial assault cannot do it alone, usually.

        Wishful thinking of “whatever it takes” technologies will not solve the problem. Catching and charging arsonists and careless hikers or campers that violate campfire bans, and cleaning out the combustible trash near towns makes more sense.

        AI is so full of nonsense that one cannot trust any of it. On aviation forums pilots are fond of posting AI stuff so we can all have a good laugh at the misinformation and stupidity. Garbage in, garbage out.

        1. Because I found this from a three second internet search … you’re suggesting it isn’t real?
          https://ctif.org/news/china-launches-mass-production-worlds-largest-water-bomber

          This wasn’t AI generated … it’s from a Firefighting Aircraft Association. BTW 12 tons of water held by this ChiCom superscooper is more than a 12x20x5 ft swimming pool … scooped off the surface of a lake – quickly. No, Dan … we don’t need spend the ‘expensive’ aeronautical R&D … nope. Just license it from the Communist Chinese.

          Let me summarize our back and forth discussion thus far. You, the industry, Association, expert … who knows all the details.
          Can’t
          Can’t
          Can’t
          Can’t
          Me, the frustrated citizen who observes that we need to do better … much better to both prevent and extinguish wildfires.
          Try
          Try
          Try
          Try
          Me, the taxpayer who understands that some services NEED to be paid by taxpayers says SPEND MORE to preserve our beautiful forests. Invest MORE in firefighting men, equipment, and technology. And why can’t we live in these forests as we’ve done for hundreds of years up until recently in complete safety?

          Me … I’m sick to death of these innumerable, massive, uncontrolled, wildfires … in every type of plant community … in every country. The firefighting (and prevention) tactics we are employing thus far are simply inadequate and need to be stepped up to meet whatever the runaway cause is.

          1. thanks for that KJ. ps DT makes the common mistake that because ‘some stuff’ is from an unreliable source then NONE of it is reliable,.no, one just need to take a *2nd* or *3rd* objective look to discern which is true and which is propaganda.

            surprises me not in the slightest the Chirese with their massive mfging capacity come up with a ‘spruce goose’ size water bomber.
            after all, for instance, once they embarked on a manned space program how long did it take to pay off? *regardless* of the fact they borrowed a lot of known technology, knew where to focus etc, bottom line, a FRACTION of the time vs the cold war ‘space race’.

            and while lm on the topic, dont fergit, Chirese got real real long memories and truth be told, l kinda *cant blame them* for some of the ‘stuff’ they do to ‘stay on top’. not likely we’re going to have an encore of the Opium Wars eh? keep the locals hooked and weak? hmmm? the brits in the forefront of THAT one? (yo, rule britannia, -was- -it- -worth- -it-?)

          2. From Dan’s featured comment … which he later modified when called on it …

            Those big bombers carried 3000 US gallons of water or retardant, a small fraction of the water in a typical backyard swimming pool.

            Well … sometimes a man’s old timey experience … has been eclipsed by our FAST moving technological era. Like the notion forest fires are simply “too big” “too dry” to try.

            I’m no expert. But that’s not the way I think. Perhaps I’ve been trained to think differently … because our Building Codes are upgraded and updated every 3 years. Keep up or stay behind.

          3. OK, I took a look at that Chinese “biggest ever” water bomber. The article clarifies it: It’s the biggest AMPHIBIOUS bomber, not the biggest bomber.

            12 tons of water or retardant. Well, now. One US gallon of water weighs 8.34 pounds. Let’s divide 12 tons (24,000 pounds) by 8.34; we get 2877 gallons, not even the capacity of those old Lockheed L-188 Electras that I worked on. NOT EVEN. A small fraction of a 19,000-gallon swimming pool. Nothing new at all. That Chinese bombers max weight of 60 tons is about the same as the ELectra’s takeoff weight of 115,000 pounds, too. Not bigger at all. Its wingspan is 38.8 meters, or 127 feet. The Electra’s wingspan is 99 feet, since its speed is higher.

            So no, except for being amphibious, it cannot carry more. It can, however, scoop up water closer to the fire as long as there is a big enough lake to do that on, nearer the fire. That’s a handy thing. I bet the price tag will be $10 million or better. R&D and all that.

          4. When you called me a bonehead for suggesting a 747 could skim water off Lake Okanagan … you started speaking of amphibious firefighting aircraft. OK … so this ChiCom amphibious aircraft isn’t larger than anything fabricated in Canada? Or anywhere else in the world? Then why is an aviation article calling it the largest ever? So we’ve scaled-up the amphibious assault.

            I then said fine … refill the 747’s and military cargo giants on the tarmac and fly them in too. Throw everything we have at it.

            Me:
            Try
            Try
            Try
            Try
            You:
            Can’t
            Can’t
            Can’t
            Can’t

            I don’t think like a doomsayer who shrugs and says let it all burn down … it’s natural.

  10. Deadfall fires burn about a mile a summer. Evergreens during a drought burn like a blowtorch and can move 10 miles a day. The dry needles pretty much explode. Until the retards planning everything remove solid patches of evergreens anywhere near urban areas, this will never end. Also houses and other buildings should have no inflammable exterior finishes. No wood decks, just masonry or metal.

    1. Maybe 10 years ago there was a severe fire near Cache Creek, BC. A friend was driving on the highway to that town, and he clocked the speed of the fire’s front along the side of the highway at about 50 km/H, or 30 MPH. Wind and embers, again. Dry grass and sage and a few Ponderosa pines, typical desert vegetation.

      1. Yeah, yeah … and ALL of CA is a desert, right? A “Cadillac Desert” … they didn’t call us The Golden State because of gold found in the rivers … it’s because of our rolling hills of golden dead grass as far as the eye can see for at least 6mos every year. Yeah … so according to your logic, no one should live here … we have no right to make it a “Cadillac Desert”.

        I’m not gonna stop either of you finding a lovely 7th floor, 640 sq ft, flat where everything is available to you in a 15min walk … if you survive the walk … from the junkies and anonymous repeat offender criminals.

        Meanwhile, the rest of us … here in the real world …

  11. chemtrails and flat earth.
    where is the apparatus in or near or behind or under the jet engine exhaust that injects the material that is supposed to affect the atmosphere?
    and howcum there have NEVER been ANY reports of ‘strange undocumented attachments’ on ANY passenger jets? is EVERY aircraft mechanic ‘in on it’?
    and if it supposedly affects the ground how is it substances put into the atmosphere at 30,000 feet affect that area of the ground instead of getting blown around the world 5 times?

    and the flat earth thing. does the horizon go on to infinity or end like a cliff edge or something? if you step off the edge of the world do you just hover or fall down, fall off the cliff? how far? to infinity or does the cliff have a bottom? an end? does the ground then continue flat or is there an ‘underneath’ to the flat earth? so earth is shaped like a cube or something? why does it have to be cubed shape and not spherical???

    ye gawds some ppl are so appallingly STOOOOOPID they fail to ‘think through’ the flat earth’ thing. l have YET to get an answer other than ‘dont wanna talk about it now’.

  12. Wasn’t one reason that Jasper burned so bad was that to Parks Canada, a dead tree left in the bush, was “nature”.

    Nature likes a clean house as much as many of us, but nature uses fire to clean house in a forest.

  13. Forest Fire humbles us.
    The conceit that we can “Fight Forest Fire” vanishes when you get up-close and personal with one.
    Fire prevention was the tool our parents and grandparents used with great success.
    But the parasites called that money wasted and diverted such funds to the welfare schemes and blatant frauds they so love.

    And the regulators,complete idiots appointed over us.
    We have always known that the timber was coming off of the land.Either as lumber or as ash.
    But the fools and bandits claim to know better.

    Idiocy such as forbidding loggers from dousing small fires,insisting that they must leave lightning strikes to “The Professionals”.
    The destruction of logging roads and bridges,ensuring that fire breaks cannot be maintained,is BC policy.
    Fuel reduction near residential areas?
    “Illegal wood gathering” .

    Eventually we will have no fire fighting resources at all.
    But dropping 100 kilo bags of water,in their natural surround of a sack of skin..
    This may become the only solution to our real problems.
    Heh,General Pinochet used the ocean,we can use forest fires..So much less cruel to Shark Kind.

  14. Lemme guess: in a year or two there will be a teensy weensy little mention on page A24 of the paper that the RCMP arrested an arsonist who lit things off and it will never be spoken of again?

    Didn’t that happen with a round of BC Interior fires a few years back and they continue to say it’s all climate change? I mean, yeah, lightning happens and all, but I thought even the mainstream press admitted half the Ontario fires causing the smoke Trump bitched about a month ago were caused by people… not all arson, of course, but it seems like arson does play a significant role every summer.

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