I admit some remorse after reading this column in the Torstar;
“I’m not certain the truth about history will do much to enhance the cultural esteem of white students, though perhaps ultimately, that’s what we need is for black people feel [sic] a little better about themselves and for white people to feel a little worse.”
Mostly for the 45 seconds I’ll never get back, but as badly as it’s penned, it does ask a question that I’ve struggled with most of my adult life. Why can’t I feel worse?
I live in a modern western society, blessed with wealth I’m told was extracted at a cost of centuries of pain and exploitation. But try as I might, I cannot bring myself to share this essential white burden.
While my melanin content is a product of my birth, “guilt” does not come easily to me. Call it a flaw in character, but my guilt has always been partnered with “consequence” – consequence for my transgressions – not my mother’s, nor my grandfather’s three times removed.
I cannot feel their pangs of conscience. Their remorse eludes me.
And even in those rare moments during quiet reflection, when I push back the force of reason and allow quivers of 18th century slave-trading shame to wash over my 21st century privilege… I have no place to put it.
Scotland was never known for its cotton.
While I’m sure many Scots grew fat trading in human bondage, I can’t count my rooming house ancestors among them.
And there withers the root of my spiritual failure. Like the African hyphenated people of today, my cultural history is lacking completeness. Their ancestors were robbed of their liberty – my ancestors were deprived of their slaves.
History has never fully reconciled my people, haunted as we are by a record of slavelessness.
Our society, our governments, must reach out to support our search for worse feelings, recognize and answer for our diminished angst.
I know there’s no turning back the clock. No government can compensate my ancestors – men and women who toiled their own soil, tended their own flocks, washed their own laundry. No program of today could provide the restitution that might fulfill my ancestral guilt – a slave of my own.
But they could pay for a maid.
.There is another unspoken reason why even the mention of this topic, or rather its explicit
public mention, draws such negative reactions. The establishment, in order to manipulate
public opinion, has succeeded in reducing discussions of race relations to a ritual, a ritual
for which the high priests of the media and political elite have written the ceremonial script.
Nothing outside the ceremonial script is tolerated; all else is heresy. The establishment
has succeeded in manipulating the minds of most Americans to the point that racism
means white racism exclusively. Black racism simply does not exist in establishment
mythology, and any assertion that it does is immediately denounced by shrill accusations
of racism. In fact, by the concoction of the racist euphemism affirmative action, the
establishment has succeeded in painting black racism as beautiful, rather like putting a
dress on a pig.
outstanding comment Kate!
Speaking of Scots, why can’t the English feel a little more guilty about us? Maybe, because the Scots took great advantage of the prosperity of the British Empire.
While we are at it – why can’t the Arabs feel guilty?
Jeffie Davidson, um, have you never heard of …wool? That’s what Scots textile mills wove, not cotton. So much for your “connection”.
well phantom, if you knew anything at all about scotland, you would understand that the cotton famine of the 1860’s had a direct impact on mill towns like paisley that produced cotton thread by the mile.
you’re bogus attachement to the place seems limited to cliches and stereotypes. not surprising considering the source.
btw, you might consider my surname for a moment. i can promise you i’ve spent far more time in scotland and understand more of her people and history than you.
i don’t recall reading much about the phantom clan…
As for the need to teach the truth about slavery in Canadian schools I ask, At what time was there slavery in Canada (1867 and beyond)? After all Canada was the terminus of the underground railway. As for the need to feel responsible or ashamed for a Canadian slave trade that didn’t exist. How can I be held responsible for a 200 year old crime that wasn’t committed, by someone who I may or may not be related to, When we barely hold criminals responsible for the crimes they themselves commit today?
I seen a black politician on fox a while back who thought he should thank god for the slave trade. Otherwise he would be living in africa today. Yikes!!!
My ancestors didn’t arrive in the US until 1906. Before that they were picking rocks out of their potato patch in County Kerry. (And by the way, we were a sept of the Fitzgeralds back in the day. When am I going to get my castle back?)
The argument you hear in response to that is that white people all still benefit from the fruits of slave labor–even people who weren’t here pre-Civil War. In fact, I was just treated to an elegant disquisition on the bus the other day about how white people in this country would still be running around dragging their knuckles on the ground if it weren’t for blacks. I’m sorry I didn’t have a chance to ask this woman to elaborate or to rebut the idea that the county was built by European and Asian immigrants. I’m sure she would have had a calm and rational response which wouldn’t at all have involved calling me a variety of obscene names describing my race and gender. Because, of course, whites are the only racists.
The whole reparations nonsense is just a scam from the likes of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. It’s completely meaningless.
And as far as Native Americans are concerned, the same principles apply as they do to everyone. Poverty is a terrible grind, and facing discrimination is devasting. But if someone gets pregnant at 14 and drinks or uses throughout the pregnancy, and both parents neglect nutrition and education, and fail to give any guidance or protection, then their kid’s life is going to suck. No government program is going to not make it not suck. I’m so sick of the same stupid argument. You can’t condone destructive behavior in your own community as being part of “the culture” and then turn around and scream that your community and culture are being destroyed. And at some point, certain people have to at least mull over the possibility that what others feel toward them is not blanket racism toward the whole group. It’s a specific dislike of them based on their own behavior and attitudes.
Wow!
People here talking about sending black people back to Africa. Another poster talks about Native people being ‘lazy and useless’.
On another thread David Suzuki is called a ‘nip’. The owner of the site talks of a ‘school-to-jail pipeline’ for black people.
You guys sound like embittered Klansmen commiserating in a Tim Horton’s because they’re not allowed to march down Main St.
This is exactly the stuff – along with the 5 Feet of Fury site – that the HRC has a mandate to prosecute and shut down.
It can’t happen soon enough for me.
Nobody is forced to read the posts on this website.
At the age of 15 years I had an ingrowing abscess on the shoulderbone. I had a major operation and four minors. I was told that three years early an amputation would have been high up on the arm. Forty years earlier, most likely my demise. I survived ok and was classified fit for serving in the British Army(nothing fancy mind you).
Penicillin is the operative word. Sir Alexander Fleming. (Scotsman).
Then there is the Salk vaccine for polio.
Now throw in Dr Banting for diabetes insulin.
I wonder how many persons striving to eradicate or stem the ravages of AIDS happen to be plain old whitey?
Toronto Star- just damn.
Wow, volik, we failed to submit our posts to the volik censor before we posted. So damn sorry.
So, do what you got to do, buddy. Send the whole darn link if you will to the HRC.
Bummer. I’ll have to spend money on a tribunal outfit.
Re: volik
You are taking some comments out of context. And regarding the “school to jail pipeline” comment, Kate is quoting a supporter of the Afrocentric school idea, as in:
“Longtime community leader Murphy Browne said she was alarmed at the high number of youth being “pushed out” of school by a European-centred system, who then get “caught up in the school-to-jail pipeline.”
There are indeed some posters here that cross the line as far as I’m concerned, but one of the things I appreciate about this site is that people are allowed the latitude to speak their mind, without the politically correct thought police jumping all over them.
When I disagree with someone, I try to make my argument using reason, rather than resorting to government agencies to silence them. That smacks of fascism and is reminiscent of many of the governments/countries I most abhor.
“All self loathing white LIberals will be offered a slap in the head and a boot in the ass.”
Posted by: OMMAG at February 5, 2008 2:56 PM
Good idea OMMAG. Do you think there are enough of the rest of us to do it to all of them in just a single day?
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I do not mean you no disrespect, I am just curious
volic; you and your like are the most despicable people that I have had the misfortune to come across.I dont know if you realize how easy our right to free discussion can be taken away.You or your teachers must have been educated in a communist country or another haven of anti free speach.Even Canada has the start of a restrictive speach agency called the CHRC that can charge people outside the protection of the court system.Make outlandish charges against a person in court,lose,and YOU will pay.Do it at the CHRC and the accused pays even if they are exonerated.Dictatorships do this as a way to cower their citizens.THe SOB’s that set up the CHRC knew this when they did it.If you dont believe me,ask someone thats been down the road.
Affirmative action helped me get my role in 007.
Never bring a knife to a gunfight.
Fight on Volik.
These twisted kattys-i mean kittys need to look into the mirror at their hate filled thoughts.
Who would jesus bomb?You bible thumpin neo-cons.
Why do canadian tax payers have to pay for all the sodamizing those priests did to the natives?
Why doesnt the church?
And islam is so bad?
For what it’s worth:
a. 1777- Vermont Constitution forbids adult slavery, Mass in 1783;
b. 1793- Upper Canada “Act against Slavery”;
c. 1803- “Slavery not compatible with British Law”, Chief Justice Osgoode;
d. 1807- UK Slave trade illegal;
e. 1834- UK Slavery illegal.
Cheers
Well, Jimbo
The ol’ ‘political correct thought police’ cliche is a bit mouldy by this time.
It’s used mostly by people complaining they can’t talk trash about black people, asians, and Natives anymore like in the good old days.
Strange as it may seem, there are many Canadians who have a right to live unmolested by the hate spouted by many here.
Have you ever known base racism to listen to reason?
I’ve never owned a slave but i had a very kinky lady friend a few years ago.And I feel no guilt.
“I am very grateful that black students in Toronto may soon have the option of attending Africentric schools.” – Donna Bailey
I don’t see a downside to this. What harm is there in putting social engineering under a microscope? Can’t wait to see what the unintended consequences are.
Push … push hard.
Jeff D: “scottish mill workers made cotton thread that was sold world-wide. many lost their jobs during the american civil war due to the cotton famine, a shortage created by confederate states in order to draw england and france into the civil war on the south’s behalf.”
Um, the effective Union blockade of southern ports might have had something to do with this. Plus, with most able-bodied men up in Virgina fighting for the Confederacy, there weren’t that many independent farmers able to produce cotton. Finally, the Confederate Congress implored cotton planters to reduce cotton planting, and plant food instead to feed the South and the army. From http://www.civilwarhome.com/kingcotton.htm:
“But even with resistance by the planters, the shift to the production of foodstuffs combined with the drain in manpower and the eventual Union occupation created a drastic drop in Cotton production as the war dragged on: 4.5 million bales were grown in 1861; 1.5 million in 1862; 500,000 in 1863; and only 300,000 in 1864.”
But you’re a lefty, Jeffy, so I don’t expect you’ll let the facts get in the way of your argument.
Ouu, look at the cry babies!
{ snif, snif, I’m hurt and you’re gonna pay!!! And I’m gonna call you names too!!! }
Could it be that, I KNOW I am solely responsible for my feelings? Or that I know factual history NOT revisionist ward churchill type teachings?
Islam a cult not a religion.
Any doctrine that dictates that a person must be killed because they choose to leave, is in a cult.
Period.
I despise Islamic practices, so what? I hate rapists, murderers and wife beaters, child killers, pedophiles, and violent criminals, and that maybe gives you the right to call me a bigot, not a racist, man people are so stupid.
I love being a neo-con -what ever that means!
I will now wear it proudly.
Infidel and Kafir forever!
Oh yeah, another thing I hate about Islam:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/05/wiran205.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox
H/T cjunk, commenter Dave.
Two sisters are sentenced to be STONED TO DEATH for being in the company of a unmarried and unrelated male in public.
.. and the babies cry: ‘is Islam so bad’?
… good friggin grief!
DrD — there was a recent settlement with our native brothers of the Tsawwassen band, which was reported in the local paper. It included $ and land, and the map printed in the paper had a whole block set aside and labelled “for future treaty negotiations”. If anyone thinks ANY of these ‘settlements” are full and final, they are mistaken. Only leads credence to your arguement…
I, myself, was a slave. A slave to the capitalist machine. I’m no longer indentured, but oddly, still have most my teeth. Presently by choice I’m slave to my own whim, and that’s a lot better than being slave to a lack of imagination.
I found this post brilliant. I intend to use this reverse argument about slavelessness, (a concept spellcheck rejects) if only to enjoy the fireworks.
Strange as it may seem, there are many Canadians who have a right to live unmolested by the hate spouted by many here.
volik – no. There were no words inciting imminent harm to anyone or group in these comments, a very important free speech distinction. There were words that criticized the attitudes or behavior of others.
There are no Canadians that have a right to never be criticized or offended.
It’s cheap and easy to label people racists for opinions that you don’t like, but, it won’t be working for you here. You are an example of the little fascist narcisisstic bore that feels compelled to manage the thoughts and behavior of others. If you feel “molested” by my opinion, then, scurry as fast as you can to the HRC.
Cantuc said,
I’ve never owned a slave but i had a very kinky lady friend a few years ago.And I feel no guilt.
And I say thank you Cantuc, I needed to laugh!
gosh, Vokim, here’s an idea for you: instead of just accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being racist and practicing “hate speech”, try putting forth an argument showing they’re wrong.
“Racist” and “Hate Speech” are the rallying cries of the braindead – who have trouble putting two thoughts together to contribute to a debate.
I’ll consider, carefully, accusations of racism and un-pc speech when the terms become universally applied, and not just to those who actually pay taxes and support society.
Actually Penny –
The HRC outlaws expressions of hate towards any persons for reasons which make them identifiable as a group prone to discrimation.
Such as: saying black people need to go back to Africa becasuse they’re black, saying Natives are “lazy and useless’ simply because they’re Natives, and …well, you get the idea.
These words don’t criticize the ‘attitudes and behaviours of others’. They’re nasty, hateful expressions of racism by people who don’t have the guts to say them in public (as K. Shaidle noted “Wouldn’t it be great if we could say this stuff at the water cooler and not have to come here to say it?” By all means – try it at the water cooler. Love to see the results!)
Sorry Pete –
It really isn’t up for argument that racism is a wrong and destructive thing. You don’t ‘argue’ with racists, Nazis, Klansmen. You prosecute them.
As well, it isn’t ‘braindead’ to point out that someone who calls Davis Suzuki a nip is a racist. It’s simply an observation of objective fact.
Wouldn’t it have been nice to get the Nazis when they were still meeting in beer halls to trade their vile thoughts?
It’s time to shut down the beer halls.
Ah, I see Mr. Davidson returned my comment. Good of you Jeffie. If I may take your points in order:
“well phantom, if you knew anything at all about scotland, you would understand that the cotton famine of the 1860’s had a direct impact on mill towns like paisley that produced cotton thread by the mile.”
I will freely admit my knowledge of the Old Country is not all it could be. That would be because after three generations in Canada on one side and five on the other, the doings of people long dead back there don’t have much impact on me. My history is Canadian. Possibly you are right about the cotton famine. Unfortunately for your slavery theory half of my family comes from Glasgow after WWI (ship building), the other comes from the far Highlands which were sheep country. Nice try though.
By the by, wouldn’t Scots losing their jobs and having to move to the howling wilderness that was Canada in the 1860s make them a victim group? I repeat, where’s my ten square feet of heather?
“You’re bogus attachement to the place seems limited to cliches and stereotypes. not surprising considering the source.”
My attachments to Scotland by blood and culture are FAR more recent and solid than any of these put-upon African slave descendants being discussed by slavery reparations hucksters. I’m pure blood on both sides, I learned how to be a man by watching my elders, quite a few of whom were fresh off the boat. Which only amplifies the stupidity of the reparations theory and your position.
“btw, you might consider my surname for a moment. i can promise you i’ve spent far more time in scotland and understand more of her people and history than you.”
That’s quite a statement Jeffie, given that you have no freakin’ idea who I am or where I’ve been. However since there appear to be a large number of Leftist retards infesting Scotland lately, and since I’ve never been there, what you say is possible. Please note that knowledge of African history and visiting Africa are not prerequisite for joining the slavery victim group. Again amplifying the vacuity of your position.
“i don’t recall reading much about the phantom clan…”
That’s because I don’t trust you, Jeffie. Statements from yourself, Morningstar, Volik indicate that you have no tolerance for views which differ from your own even slightly. You’re vindictive too.
I have found this to be true of Lefties generally, so for my own personal and professional safety I remain The Phantom in these discussions. I note that you feel perfectly safe making snide comments to this collection of racist/bigot/homophobe/rednecks under your real name. You might want to think a little bit about what this means regarding your personal behavior and that of your fellow travelers, vs. the knuckle dragging rest of us.
Please go and consider what I have said, then think about the word “freedom” and how it applies to same. For example, is there any freedom if government can reach back through time to ancient wrongs against single racial groups and send you a bill? Is there any freedom if individuals have to post under false names for fear of government retribution?
Morningstar just hates hateful neocons.
What a hypocritical idiot.
Who would Jesus bomb? Nobody you moron. You need to get your stupid unstuck.
So many letter writers have explained how this land is made up of immigrants. Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people why today’s Canadian is not willing to accept the new kind of immigrant any longer.
Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to Canada, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in Halifax and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new Canadian households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home. They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture. Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills, craftsmanship and desire they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity.
Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. Canadians fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France, Japan, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Sweden, and so many other places. None of these first generation Canadians ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Canadians
fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the Freedom as one people. When we liberated France, no one in those villages was looking for the Ukrainian-Canadian or the German-Canadian or the Irish-Canadian. The people of France saw only Canadians and we carried one flag that represented our country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country’s flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be a Canadian.
And here we are in 2007 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by
playing with a different set of rules, one that includes a Canadian passport and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I’m sorry, that’s not what being a Canadian all is about. They should ADOPT our country, and our flag and our morals and our customs. Leave their wars, hatred, and divisions behind. I believe that the immigrants who landed in Canada in the early 1900s deserve better than that for the toil, hard work and sacrifice those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags, fighting foreign battles on our soil, making Canadians change to suit their religions and cultures, and wanting to change our countries fabric by claiming discrimination when we do not give in to their demands. Its about time we get real and stand up for our forefathers rights we are CANADIAN Lest we forget it!!! NO MORE POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ! NO More not saying CHRISTMAS In stores and our schools, Seasonal Holiday be damn
ed!!! I Want my Canada of birth BACK !!!
Why should anyone,at the time, go after the Nazis in the beer halls when the murder of thousands of Ukrainians by Stalin was being ignored? The starvation of a whole population had gone on since 1919 and no one did anything about it.When Mr. Suzuki advocates jailing scientists for an opposing view THAT sounds like something vile coming out of a beer hall!
Volik, nice of you to prove my point so beautifully while I was writing the last post to Mr. Davidson. You personify the reason I remain The Phantom. Congratulations, you are the perfect embodiment of the term Useful Idiot.
Where’s my ten square feet of heather, Idiot?
Volik, Morningstar
I am offended by your statements. Although not a Christian myself, the HRC takes complaints from unrelated third parties so I demand that the brownshirt HRC thugs use the coercive power of the state and place its jackboot on your throat to crush your rights.
If you laugh and think that the HRC would never do that, what happens when someone puts radical Christians on the committees and they change the game?
What can by used by you to crush the rights of others can by used on you against your rights. Don’t ever think that your lot will control the state forever. If you won’t respect fundamental liberties, the constitution, charter of rights and the unbiased rule of law, you will have no cause to complain when they come for you.
That’s the part you are far too f’ing stupid to understand. You don’t support the rights of others because you like them, you support the rights of others to protect the rights of you and yours.
Too bad you don’t have the intellectual capacity to comprehend the obvious. No one should even have to explain this to you. I blame your leftard professors.
Davidson,
Go eat chocolate.
Well, Phantom, no need for you to hide as long as you’re not making gross comments about entire races of people.
Is it really so hard for you to refrain from doing that?
There’s a theory, you know, that we’re all God’s children, and that we’ve been put here to love each other. You might want to check it out sometime.
Oh, and what’s with the “idiot” stuff? Seems like everytime someone here disagrees with me they have to toss in some grade school insult. What’s the purpose of that?
It’s just a shared reflex you guys have?
“It’s time to shut down the beer halls.”
As a student of WWII and its origins, I find it fascinating that some leftie loogin’ would suggest that a lack of proper enforcement of government liquor licenses would’ve prevented the rise of the Third Reich.
What a complete retard. Nothing like a latte Liberal to smooth the ride down the slope to complete irrelevance.
Perhaps the real solution was to ban the use of German Beersteins, hence making toasts impossible in the Rhineland.
Beautiful. Water pistols to extinguish a forest fire.
“There’s a theory, you know, that we’re all God’s children, and that we’ve been put here to love each other”
You may wish to read Augustine’s Civitate Dei and his inauguration of Christian Just War theory. While you’re at it, perhaps read the passes in the NT that mention Roman Centurions.
Oh hobo –
I’m a ‘retard’ am I?
Another example of a person here who can’t make his point without belching up some childish insult.
It’s like you’re all in state of constant, panicked hostility.
If you’re so confident you’re right, why the baby-ish ad hominems?
Is it because you don’t dare to utter a peep in your day-to-day life, so you think that kind of talk makes you ‘tough’?
Anyway, my point was that the beer halls were the gathering-place for the Nazis. The idea is – let’s shut down the gathering-place. Has nothing to do with liquor licenses.
Kind of a drag I even have to explain this, but…
Hobo!
Thanks for the reading list.
Me, I read the Gospels, in which it’s stated we’re to love our neighbour as ourselves…
No matter whether our neighbour is black, Japanese, Native or Asian…
If you do not do this, you are no Christian.
It really is as simple as that.
Cheers.
In the Public TV documentary The Irish Come To America, it chronicles the Famine Irish who worked on the levees in New Orleans. They came over in empty ships as ballast. They made like ten cents a day and were buried in the mud where they fell and died. Slaves were not usually used for that work because a slave was more expensive and of no value if dead. A dead Irishman could be easily replaced, with no money upfront.
volik,
“It really isn’t up for argument that racism is a wrong and destructive thing. You don’t ‘argue’ with racists, Nazis, Klansmen. You prosecute them.”
…
“Wouldn’t it have been nice to get the Nazis when they were still meeting in beer halls to trade their vile thoughts?”
Funny, I thought it was the Nazis who shut down debate as their way of silencing dissent and instilling the fear in the population they required in order to further their Totalitarian Agenda.
I find it disturbingly ironic that those that perport to want to fight Nazis adopt many of their anti-democratic and liberty-crushing ways.
You don’t protect liberty by destroying it. Funny how leftards seem to understand that when they’re attacking Bush’s (but not the liberal’s) anti-terror bills. It’s also funny how the reverse is also true. As Steyn suggests, given the government’s history, why given them more control over us by letting them crush our liberties in the name of safety? Especially given that both the Liberals and Bush inserted unconstitutional powers that were shut down by both countries courts which have nothing to do with terrorists!
And Volik, as I said elsewhere, people lash out at you not for your message (you rarely have one) but for your snarky, condescending attitude towards others. If you give respect, you will tend to have that returned. Give contempt, you seek abuse – and you shouldn’t be surprised to receive it.
I was talking to a friend of mine in a school that is multi-ethnic, mainly Asian and black new immigrants to this country (ironically, in a part of the city where all the street names are in honour of the British founders of the city).
Lunar New Year and Black History Month have been a BIG THING at this school. OK. Today, my friend, a Christian, asked a member of the administration if Ash Wednesday—it’s today—was going to be featured in the daily announcements. The answer? No, because Ash Wednesday has not been included (?) in the board’s book of observable feasts.
Just about every other group gets to “self-identify”. Apparently, not Christians because any Christian worth his or her salt—the board probably “consulted” the other kind—would have included Ash Wednesday as a very important day of observation. (It’s the first day of Lent, a penitential season and the 40 days leading up to Easter.)
Considering that Judeo-Christianity is the very basis of Magna Carta and Canadian democracy, it’s, at base, the reason these immigrants have been welcomed here. My family helped to build Canada and has been here for over 200 years. I’m thoroughly tired of being expected to be a door mat to too many—not all—entitled newcomers of very different cultures who contribute little and show no respect for those who paved the way for and opened their doors to them.
I’ve also noticed that the kind of people who disagree with me—heads filled with PC one-sidedness—are usually so brainwashed by the kind of propaganda I’ve just documented, they have no basis on which to make any counter argument, let alone an intelligent, principled one.
Quoth Volik: “Oh, and what’s with the “idiot” stuff? Seems like everytime someone here disagrees with me they have to toss in some grade school insult. What’s the purpose of that?”
Its part of a quote from Lenin, ducky. He refers to Western apologists for the Soviet Union as “useful idiots”.
The purpose of it is to let you know you’re shilling for something bad. Freedom good, censorship bad. Got it?
Hey Phantom
Was your earlier reference to “lefty retards” a quote from Trotsky?
My point was that all you guys are incapable of engaging in discourse without throwing in a bunch of infantile insults.
It’s as if you know your viewpoint can’t be defended, so you vomit forth all these crude, childish ad hominems with the delusion that you’re ‘vanquishing’ your ‘enemies’. (“ooh look, I called him a retard! that’ll put him in his place!”)
It kind of mirrors your racism. You don’t actually seem to have a political philosophy. all you know is that you *hate* (black people, Native people, Japanese people, etc). and you make up reasons to justify it aferwards.
The funny thing is that you don’t even have the guts to own up to your prejudices, as you admit. You hide out here and yelp “Retard!” if anyone dares question you.
Warwick
The Nazis were able to seize power partly because of their Jew-baiting. Then they clamped down on free speech.
Why should people like you and your pals be able to slander entire races of people, fulminating hostility against innocent individuals, adding to the burden of innocent black and Native children not even born yet?
As the HRC has seen, such words cause pain. In the case of the Nazis, words were enough to unleash a horror on the world.
If you’re so convinced that you’re guaranteed the freedom to spew racist bile, why don’t you go to a black neighbourhood and do so? Come on – don’t skulk on a website and do it. Take some of your friends here and go for it. I’d really like to see the results.
Oh, and Warwick? Thanks for the lecture on civility. I’ve been called a dumbass, a fool, a retard, and an idiot here. Not once have I used these terms against anyone else.
Other posters, including one of your own politcal persuasion, have remarked on the childish rudeness of you and your pals. I suspect it is directed at me because so many of you feel impotent at losing debate after debate.
As well, Warwick, your hypocrisy is laughable. You have the nerve to lecture me on rudeness in a post where you use the term “leftards”.
Yeah, Warwick. Everyone to the left of you in the political spectrum is a “retard”. And you lecture me on incivility.
Whatever.
Clearly Volik, you still can’t comprehend the point.
I don’t feel the need to “jew-bait” or yell racist comments at people. That isn’t the point.
The point is that if you don’t support the right to free speach, you lose all of your other rights along with it.
The point is that if you disagree with someone’s speach, you don’t have them crushed by the state, you use your own right to free speach to counter the statement you found offensive.
Bad ideas are fought with good ideas, not forced silence.
You don’t have to support what someone says to support your right to say it. This is what you don’t understand and after 50 posts trying to explain it to you I give up. You really are stupid. Not in the cheap insult way of calling you stupid but in actuality. You are not smart. You don’t understand even the most basic arguement.
And the Nazis were able to crush rights because they started with the elimination of free Speach and Press and worked from there. They consolidated their power before rounding up jews, not after. They consolidated power by shutting down free press and intimidating the non-jews so that they would be too fearful to speak out when they did come for the jews. But you don’t understand that.
So, it’s unanimous then.
Based on the fact that volik has proven that he cannot offer one rational counter argument. Has zero knowledge of any topic he comments on. That his comments are singularly based on nothing more than irrational feelings. That he pompously believes his feelings, invective, insults and ad hominem attacks trump fact and rational thought. That after he has been thoroughly and bleedingly whipped, he ludicrously trumpets victory. That his mental growth was halted at 12…(drum roll please)
He qualifies on all points, in fact, passes with flying colours as the newly elected poster child for the leftard, moonbat nation…(overwhelming applause)
Although the competition was great, he must be congratulated on such courage. It takes guts and iron will to publicly display such an absence of intelligence and irrational, juvenile behaviour. Even more so, allowing this odious display to be recorded for all time.
Warwick, Daisy –
More of the same.
You guys really can’t argue your points because you have none.
So again: “Volik’s stupid, a leftard, a moonbat – why? ‘Cause we say so.” (It’s ‘unanimous’ – between you and Warwick, right, Daisy?)
You have your little playpen here where you cna spew your racism and your sub-mental ideas.
And if anyone from the outside wold should challenge you – why they’re ‘retards’, right?
So: lean over your computers, guys, and as old age creeps up on you, you keep typing inhow those blacks and Native and Japs are ruining your country. Fight the good nattle, boys!
Show’em you won’t go down with out a fight!
Your ideas are identical to every other inbred knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing racist in the country.
But it’s ‘everybody else’ who’s stupid.
Right, guys?
(Guess your fathers called you stupid all the time when you were kids 😉
Actually no, volik:
In your support of the Islamic ideology as illustrated in and taught from the texts and Mohammad’s life example, it can be concluded that you are an anti-Semetic racist, bigot and misogynist. In this, pleading ignorance is not a defence.
Because you lack critical skills, the capacity to reason on a rational basis, not to mention, your complete lack of knowledge of current and past factual history – and in place, you argue based on your feelings – then indeed, you are an idiot.
Because you can’t comprehend any of the above, you are a moonbat.
Any questions?