40 Replies to “True Colours”

  3. For a while now, I have been watching this discussion about free-speech and the HRC go on in the blogosphere between those on the left and those on the right. When it started, I was confident that the argument would quickly get down to the bare-bones of each sides’ views and motives.
    But, it has not. I guess the desire of some people to bring the debate down by making comparisons the Nazis was just too compelling. Letting the conversation get to where it should naturally end up was too much for some. So, I will sum up and carry the conversation to its logical end…The place where it would have gone were it not for people throwing in the “Nazi” distractors:
    Conservative: The whole concept of hate speech and crimes based on hate should be eliminated as it requires the introduction of “Thought Police”.
    Liberal (incredulously): So, you think that anyone should be able to say whatever they want about people of a certain color, gender, sexual orientation, or religion?
    Conservative: Yep. And if their views are so disrespectful, hateful, and reprehensible, then society will take care of things by ostracizing that person (or group). Membership in their group will naturally become its own punishment. You don’t need Draconian laws that can only lead to unintended consequences like the ideal of “state-approved thought.” Besides, my world-views are based on the premise that the average person knows right from wrong and will be smart and sophisticated enough to be able to make the proper decisions for themselves and, thus, these hate-mongers will never prosper. Expose people to everything (good and bad), and they will be able to discriminate properly.
    Liberal: Well, I don’t think that the average person has that ability. In my experience, people are products of their environment and must be told how to think and what to feel based on a foundation of thoughts and ideas that are the least likely to offend any group. In my world, the only people who can be discriminated against are those who would attempt to discriminate between the concepts of good and bad, right and wrong, etc. And, by the way, what if the racist views of such people aren’t dismissed? What if they actually gain traction (like they did in 1930’s Germany)? What then?
    Conservative: Then, there’ll be a conflict…quite possibly an armed conflict between those who are willling to embrace such crazy views and those who won’t accept them in their society.
    Liberal: So, you think that we should just let these situations take root and go all the way to war?
    Conservative: The horrors of that possibility are still better than the alternative. But, I really don’t think that that is too likely an eventuality. Nazi Germany was the exception and not the rule. I have faith in my fellow citizens. But, if it were to come to that, I would be willing to face it because I believe that there are such things as “good” and “bad” and that there are things worth fighting for. Freedom does not come without risk.
    Liberal: Well, I prefer a society where we don’t take risks. And I believe that conflict is only acceptable if the UN says so (unless we’re talking about Afghanistan and there are conservatives in both the White House and 24 Sussex). Trust in the common person is foolhardy, in my opinion. And because I have nothing more to challenge your views with, I am going to end the conversation and go on making comparisons between you “neo-cons” and the Nazis. Actually, since I am concerned that you conservatives might be saying something that will make a lot of sense to a lot of people, I will also do my best to make sure that the substance of what you are saying does not get released to the public via the MSM. I have a friend at the Toronto Star who will be happy to make it sound like what you really support is…Don’t make me call my lawyer…

  4. Between this, their anti-Semitism, Hezbollah support and support of HRC section 13.1, the fascist label has become very sticky for the Liberals.

  7. I’ve read a lot of what passes for debate regarding HRC’s, especially enjoyed the thread on Jason Cherniak’s site.
    The fancy stickhandling by the left is always entertaining as they try to pretend that there are shades of grey in a black and white issue.
    The conclusion is this:
    Lefties will always avoid siding with reason, because almost every left-leaning individual belongs to or believes in certain special interest groups. Because of this membership, usually in a “protected-class” group, they believe that eventually they, themselves may need the protection of group-think bureaucracies like the HRC’s.
    Therefore, they are playing a game of high stakes monopoly and betting that it is safer for themselves to accumulate “get out of jail free cards” that they might need to use in the future, by having HRC’s to fall back on when the time comes and their particular interest-groups perversion comes up for inspection.
    Whether the interest-group is political, racial, social, religious, sexual or environmental, the lefties do not have enough faith in the strength of their own movement to feel that they are right…they need extra advantages to protect them.
    They would rather argue against reason, against freedom, against liberty and against democracy and side with Big Brother.
    What they fail to come to terms with is that when the time comes, and their own perversions come up for inspection, it may not be the western liberal courts that hear their case, but an orthodox eastern tribunal that has no interest in splitting hairs over such things as the presumption of innocence.

  8. Say, can’t somebody drag Kinsela before the HRC for linking to stormfront? There’s gotta be a way to make that hate-speechy enough, and since it won’t cost a dime to try…
    Hiya Warren, you little lefty sock-puppeteer. These things cut both ways, y’know. Going to get a good deal on legal fees from Richy Warman? Won’t help if somebody launches a new complaint every time you post anywhere on the web. Will it? And think of all the fun someone could have with your back-catalog.
    Are we getting the point yet, Warren? You wanna live in Canada, or would you prefer to live in Cuba-North when you aren’t best buddies with Fearless Leader? Not much future in that.

  9. Ya Okanagan, your conclusion equates to mine, they’re Cowards, only you stated it with much more eloquence.

  10. It is troublesome that those that call themselves liberal (as opposed to those who actually are liberal) call others that they don’t agree with, Nazis, due to lack of valid argument. It may be that they just would not have an argument that could be supported by common sense.
    Is this some kind of tragedy, where those that went to school for a long time, instead of being enlightened, as one would expect, become so superior in their mind that no other opinion lest it be their own, will do or else?
    Seems that further they get into an ideology, the arguments get more convoluted, until they become a bizarre collection of vindictive personal attacks without any attachment to reality.
    Just trying to remember from some time ago, Trudeau fancied himself as a benevolent dictator, thought in the system of government in Canada that is an actual fact. Unless the prime minister is in Harper’s situation, the above sentence is true.
    Free speech is so very important. It is frightening to see, in this country, those with a mouthpiece making mockery of those that think, that freedom is more important than someone’s ethnicity, religion, politics.

  11. Lev,
    One to many commas – it almost takes a meaning opposite of what you intended.
    It is frightening to see, in this country, those with a mouthpiece making mockery of those that think that freedom is more important than someone’s ethnicity, religion, politics.

  14. Does this mean that the run of the mill rat bag conservatives don’t support Keith Martin’s bill to repeal Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act? Apparently the rat bag conservatives at Stormfront like it.

  15. Ural,
    Thanks for the point. As you can tell, I don’t know much about anything. I’m just thinking.

  16. “Does this mean that the run of the mill rat bag conservatives don’t support Keith Martin’s bill to repeal Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act? Apparently the rat bag conservatives at Stormfront like it.”
    No, it means that someone needs to hunt down your seventh grade teacher and kick their ass for not getting you into a remedial program.

  18. No, it means…? What?
    No??? Then you are saying that you support the bill? Just like the rat bag conservatives at Stormfront?
    Why don’t you take a poll. Who likes the bill to get rid of that hate speech laws (just like Stormfront) and who wants to keep the hate speech laws as they are (just like all but one Liberal)?

  19. I agree with kate,some people can’t read.The Liberal-white supremacist link wasnt invented by sda,it was printed by the Canadian Press and linked to by sda.If you have a problem,take it up with them.I hope to Hell you didnt graduate from grade school.

  20. Ural, don’t be too eager to criticize posters’ grammar while you are suffering from homonym dyslexia.

  21. *
    “Blipforlife rages… No, it means…? What?
    No??? Then you are saying that you support the bill? Just like the rat bag conservatives at Stormfront?”
    No, it means…? What?
    No??? Then you are saying that you support kiling fetuses but not convicted murderers? Just like the pussy liberals at club steffi?
    hey… you started it.
    *

  23. Why are Liberals under Stephane Dion and including Mr. Kinsella so keen on keeping a horrendous Orwellian state thought and opinion apparatus in place in Canada.
    Even turncoat Liberals like Keith Martin understand the unsavory nature and reach of such an apparatus.
    Surely such apparatus are tools of totalitarian despotic state and have no place in Canada.
    Who would support such a law, the contempt for democracy in Canada, dare I say, communists?
    Is communist actionable?

  24. FREE,
    Punctuation police. When I read, I follow the author’s punctuation. That sentence didn’t fit with what Lev was saying. Grammar and spelling may not change the thought anyone wants to convey, but punctuation can.
    Alienated – homonym dyslexia? Please enlighten me.

  25. homonym dyslexia? Please enlighten me.
    There’s a difference in meaning between the homonyms ‘to’ & ‘too’, and I believe you meant to say “One too many commas”.

  29. “the supremacist COMMUNITY” – what are skinheads a protected group now? God save us from the sight of Dion’s community outreach for that.

  32. Chill yoos guys. Is possible too tipe colloquial speech. I distinkly herd him say “yor right. “o” challenged”. He should have said ” you-er” right…” Damn dialects!

  35. No word yet from the media that the Taliban also supports the withdrawl of Canadian troops from Afghanistan; just like Layton and Dion.
    When do you think this obvious and logical (well, at least as logical as the link in the above article) link will be picked up by the major news outlets?
    On a side note and out of personal curiousity, does anybody know if Dion flies the flags of both his countries outside of his house? I wonder how the proud Canadian flag looks beside a plain white one.

  38. Oh my God! I sorta, kinda, in a way agree with Libforlife. There are lots of Liberals who think what the HRC is doing right now is lousy. Cherniak and Kinsella are just in the my party right or wrong crowd. Every party has them. I, like many Liberals and Conservatives, like what Keith Martin has done and MPs should support his PMB.
    As for the white supremacy vote, who cares what those a******s think anyway? Let’s talk about the real issues, not this silly crap.
    I had a long talk with a fellow while walking my dogs. I think his view reflects what a lot of Canadians are thinking right now.
    He’s wants the bickering to stop and is interested in the issues. I told him IMO Grits don’t have the parts (money, policies, leadership) to play clean on the issues.
    I told him (after disclosing that I have never voted federal Liberal) that the MSM seemed biased to me but I sensed they were just locked into their comfortable ways of thinking, given many of their close interraction (to say the least in some cases) with the imperiously governing Chretien Trudeau cabal.
    I told him that the Grits were harpooned by their failure to understand the power of the internet , and outright corruption brought on by years of easy money and power. They could no longer control the message and Harper outflanked them with his idea a day approach after Christmas last election.
    This neo con tied into Mulroney smear is not going to work for the Liberals, any more than it did last time. Oliver, Travers et al are trying to sell an illusion, that Harper is so bad that maybe he can’t even beat Dion. Grits are bereft of policy formulation, and every time they try, all we get is contradiction and confusion, with Dion, Ignatieff and now Rae trying to control the message on the fly. Harper seems to be keeping his powder dry, and is content to govern, having called many Grit election bluffs.
    Several media types have flatly stated they want want revenge on Harper, so the skirmishes have just begun, where Chief of Defense Staff having his third rum and coke on some beach equals an indignant call to Harper on POWs. It’s not washing because nobody’s listening. Close polls? Oh ok, you got us now, so long as we throw out that rogue 37% Tory one.
    If the MSM illusion were actually true, with Dion nipping at Harper’s heels, wouldn’t we be in election mode right now?

  39. I thought red was the traditional color of the Bolsheviks, the deadly-enemy-though-almost-indistinguishable-from of National Socialists.
    But then one wouldn’t really expect a Stormfront Idiot to know that, would one?

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