A paraphrase:
“It’s ok for me to make fun of evangelical Christians, but the rest of you: leave Muslims alone!”
89 Replies to “Shorter Warren Kinsella”
How are people to know then what might offend others, if some are offended, and others are not. This guy is a Christian and isn’t offended by the band’s name, but another Christian may be offended, and what, this Christian should be able to take it to a HRC to complain? How come Christians never even bother? Maybe because Christians believe God is alive and can take care of himself, and others for that matter in any which way he pleases. I guess Mohammed is dead and can’t protect his reputation, so somebody else has to? Don’t Muslims believe Allah will take care of things for them, or is it because Allah doesn’t take care of things for anybody, that they are concerned about? I don’t know, but does Allah answer prayers?
My question is how did Muslims recognize Mohammed in those cartoons? I personally would never have known.
How can you charge someone with inciting hatred, when there is no act to follow? Muslims fear death as the consequence from other Muslims, but they are not going to get that from westerners, so they had to downgrade to hurt feelings…..wah! Sissies, the whole lot of them.
What you are talking about is not free speech. It is already a criminal action.The operative word being action. I think Ezra’s HRC videos explains some of the other limitation of free speech. Ones that are libelous, direct other to commit murder or violence, infringes on copywrite etc.
What Ezra is on “trial” for is words and opinions that have historically never been illegal. He republished some poorly done cartoons that offended a religion. He is being censored over hurt feelings not actions.
There is a huge difference. The HRC is a unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy that is taking away rights by reinterpreting our free speech laws. Complete with closed door hearings and a punitive financial liability to the accused but free to the complainant. It is a horrible system that is easily abused and used to promote a progressive agenda through the backdoor.
Whatever hatred there exists against muslims has been caused by their own actions – destructive acts of terrorism around the world, that we all see in the news on a regular basis. What significant additional hatred could these cartoons possibly inspire?
Wha. .? WK? Eyes roll. = TG
I see that Warren does’nt allow comments to be posted to his site. I can begin to understand why. Who would want to be told by that many people just how full of sh_t he is. Kind of brings a guy’s spirit down, ya know.
Warren
Poop from Purgatory is appropriate. You have become redundant squared and no amount of self promotion will change that fact.
Your specious arguments only serve to further expose your lack of intellectual and motivational depth.
BTW…did you know one can drown in as little as six inches of water.
Your apparant stupidity would sugest that both tubs and toilets are areas where you should not go unsupervised.
Sincerely
Syncro
p.s. I would have posted this at your site but it seems the overwhelming number of “Canadians”(tm) prefer to absorb your bullshit without comment. Sez you.
randall: If it were only acts of terrorism. The fact is that Muslim doctrine, that is it’s written text, is barbaric. Islam, when practiced devoutely, is everything that liberal democracy is not. That is why WK is so wrong … he has no grasp of what he speaks.
I oppose Islam because of its doctrine just the same as I oppose fascism, communism, totalitarianism, etc.
WK’s arguement comes down to saying that you can’t lampoon or mock fascism because it offends Germans.
The man is a political animal, but a philosophical midget.
the hateful thing he said was NOT said in order to promote hate.
Free speech is not un-limited.
But, who acts as arbiter, my friend? You, me, the state? That’s the point.
Yelling fire as a prank in a crowded theater isn’t free speech. Burning Mohammed in effigy or, as offensive as to me as it is, the US flag is free speech. I have no right that says I’m not allowed to be offended.
I believe that there are times circumstances where a pointed and purposeful hatred is entirely appropriate!
Kinsella’s a lightweight.
He’s demonstrated he knows little about the new media – which was supposed to be his gig at the post.
Notice too the change in the Post, and the fact they actually have an unemotive professional (Karen Selick) writing much column space on legal topics.
And the frequency of column inches Kinsella has.
This turd don’t float.
I’d venture a guess he’s 6 months away from back to begging government for more business to his business.
And in the meantime, will get more provacative for the sake of exposure and readership. To paraphrase: ‘I don’t care what’s written about me, as long as it’s written”
People should ignore this gerbil, and focus on writers who are at the very least, sincere. Not a failed ‘new media’ commentator.
You’re getting strung along…
To paraphrase: ‘I don’t care what’s written about me, as long as it’s written”
To parapharase: There’s no such thing as bad written.
We did not elect *Censor WK & Liebranos*, remember?
The last thing Canadians need is WK/liebrano censorship keeping us in the dark.
What you do not know can surprise you and slit your throat. http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_fatah/20060210.html
Cocky, daring, Levant brought us the STORY, not simply the cartoons.
It would be nice if the AHRC would stick to human rights abuse and not PC appeasement.= TG
Heh.
It must be quite a mind-blower for Kinsella to read a blog where the average blogger is 100% smarter than the entire power group of the present Crooked Liberal Punk Party du Canada.
“Although most people have heard of the growing Christian Rock industry, less is known about emerging Christian Punk Rock. A direct counter to the anti-Christian attitudes of modern Punk Rock, Warren’s counter band, Poo Poo from Heck, promote a positive message of individual responsibility and cleaning up after yourself.”
“Less is known about the just formed band, Mammary Love Me Saviour.”
Joanne at 12:45, Kinsella may have been born into a Catholic family, but I don’t think he claims to be Christian by belief or persuasion. Certainly, anyone who is persuaded of the Lordship of Jesus Christ would find the very vulgar name of his favorite rock band to be extremely offensive. That he doesn’t is telling.
And Kate, I have to agree with WL Mac Redux, who do yoou tortue us by linking to his site? If you link, I’ll invariably read it, but he doesn’t derserve the attention and it only encourages him.
Rick, actually he does claim to be so. From his page, and I quote:
“I’m a church-going Catholic, and that band’s name doesn’t offend me in the slightest. Nor the stuff found on the covers of Black Flag records, nor the songs by my beloved Bad Religion.”
I can provide the link if necessary, but I would rather not give him traffic.
I think that makes it even more disturbing.
Myself, as a church-going Catholic, the band’s name offends me. As well it should.
A little late to the party but I think it is needful to realize that the cartoons in question were not offensive to Muslims until Denmark embarrassed some potentate from the Middle East. Just like it was ok to name a teddy bear Mohammed until Britain embarrassed some potentate in Africa. Since that time Muslims in the free west have exploited the “outrage” to their political advantage but we as free thinking people need to be aware that the only outrage Muslims feel is when their way in this world is thwarted. That we should even consider losing our freedoms because some petty tyrant somewhere in the world can get his people to riot is down right idiotic.
“Reading his rants, I can only say he suffers from serious cognitive dissonance…Psychiatric care. Go for it, wk.”
Posted by: otter at January 15, 2008 8:54 AM
Actually, Otter, I think he suffers from a particularly virulent strain of Tourette’s syndrome. There is some virtue to linking, only occasionally mind you, to his site, just to display to your readers how unhinged the Canadian left has become. Other than for occasional didactic purposes, however, it would be better to keep him outside the public discourse until he has successfully completed therapy.
Just heard Adler explaining Kinsella’s position while interviewing Levant. My question is if a horde of enraged Catholics threatened to violently riot every time someone offended Christ, would Kinsella support disallowing such freedom of expression? Absolutely ridiculous!
‘They’ say the true measure of a man’s belief in freedom of speech is how far he will go to protect those rights for another man who is saying something he strongly disagrees with.
In that sense,WK seems pretty damn wishy-washy to me.
Although it disgusts me some think that putting a crucifix in a jar of piss is art,I do not want to see that freedom lost.
Although I feel like sh*t-kicking some idiots burning a flag to protest the very soldiers dying to give them the freedom to burn that flag,I know I must restrain myself.
And when someone wishes to draw cartoons of a ‘symbol’ of a religion to editorialize their opinion of it’s inherent hypocricies,I say well done.
For it is most often those who cry oppression loudest that have the worst records for denying others’ freedoms.
I think we should all be careful when referring to the “Left” here.
I would think the ones usually refered to as the ‘left’ — those that put a roof over our heads (carpenters, ect) have nothing to do with WK types. More the ‘latte’, ‘basket-weaving crowd’, I would say.
Johann – I too am a practicing Roman Catholic and yes, I am offended with the band’s name. At the same time, living in a free society, I respect their right to name themselves whatever they want. I hope that no one launches a human rights complaint over something so stupid but, guess what, there are people stupid enough out there to do just that.
hiding behind freedom of expression in order to willfully incite hatred towards muslims is what’s at issue here. hypocrites.
Posted by: jeff davidson at January 15, 2008 9:07 AM
Islamicizes
Rat on! Warnout Kinsella does a column for the National Post- I just cancelled my subscription……..
wk …. Canadas first official Islamocrat .
“Spray painting “Death to the Jews” on a school IS NOT FREE SPEECH IT IS VANDALISM!”
Therein lies the problem…
“Spray painting “Death to Muslims” on a school IS NOT FREE SPEECH IT IS A HATE CRIME.”
Liberals like Mr. Kinsella do not get the irony. It doesn’t fit with their cloistered world view.
Kinsella said, “…what Muslims seek from the rest of us is not anything we do not already seek from them… a modicum of respect for the things they hold closest to their hearts”
Hmmm.
And I thought it was the jizya. Who knew?
As usual, jeff davidson swaggers in with the dumbest of comments. Re-read Hans Rupprecht’s 11:42am posting and then try to string a sentence together that doesn’t make you look like a moron, jeff. See any Christians killing muslims over serrano’s “piss christ”? Or, for that matter, calling for kinsella’s execution over his “barney” slander against Stockwell Day?
Well, that’s another New Year’s Resolution down the tubes: mustn’t…feed…the trolls…
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
As always, Kinsella misses the point by a mile.
This isn’t about “respect” and consideration for each other. OF COURSE we should be nice to each other; that’s called Polite Society. The point under debate is whether the government should be allowed to regulate our speech, and what that does to our fundamental freedoms.
You’d think a fifth grader would understand this distinction, but Kinsella doesn’t get it. Therefore, I choose to exercise my freedom of speech by proclaiming him a complete and utter bonehead.
Did THOSE words hurt, Warren? Stick and stones…
It’s OK to make fun of evangelical Christians because it entails no personal risk.
So much for those moral relativist attempts to equate Christian fundamentalists with Muslim ones.
If the two really were the same, no “artist” would dare come up with something like “Piss Christ” or “Tit Fuck Me Jesus” for fear of being murdered by an irate Pentacostalist.
As the young uns say; “It’s all good.” I guess. But this back and forth about who is the goofier goof in the never ending nah nah nah na na of free speech vs censorship is sort of a waste of time a little bit. Kinsella is interested in his own notoriety. A few commentors have pointed that out. So 80 plus comments will be very pleasing to him, I’m sure.
My other point is this: we often resort to longish words to write things that can be written in shortish words. For example: “I don’t like Islam.” is shortish. So is “I don’t like Christianity.” That’s me done.
Yes, but… those 80+ comments are HERE. All the traffic is HERE.
He gets squat aside from a few paltry visits, and deservedly so.
Kinsella has a burr under his ass BIG-Time !! He sees it all falling apart, so he lashes out, while riding along with other middle-aged punks. Literally and figuratively.
So Warren, all commenters at sda have a nothing-life, eh?
Well, for most of MY life, ‘I’ was the one who put food on YOUR table. Literally ! Next time around you can kiss-my-ass !
This era, the Internet/blogs era, is a first. Ever since the Printing Press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg in 1440, the Media has had the advantage over the citizens.
Spin-Masters, such as Kinsella and Billary, in the pocket of Media Orgs, got away with murder. Literally and figuratively. (think Medicare)
What’s Warren got against people who clean bathrooms?
What’s with all the hateful writings on his blog? I think he should take advantage of some of the services that mental health professionals offer. Might help him out of most of issues, but there’s no known cure for being a hippie Liberal in your fifties.
The reason he’s so pissed off of course is that ALL these blogs strike a nerve, not just this one. Remember, he’s still nostalgic about his Barney the Dinosaur stunt the same way Al Bundy remembers scoring 4 touch downs in one game of high-school football. Bundy, of course has more excuse.
When its pointed out that the asskicker of Canadian politics got his ass kicked in Canadian politics(remember BC?). When he settled out of court for a libel suit because of his anti nazi book.(right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Kinsella)
And of course when Kate delivers some emasculating humiliation…get the point?
A Confused Liberal
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Warren Kinsella made an inelegant attempt to discredit “canadian infidel” on the “Fullcomment” site by employing the Liberal method of drive-by slagging. Our “canadian infidel”made note of some pejorative history related to Mohammed and the adherents of the Muslim religion. Mr. Kinsella took great annoyance at this in a posting on “Fullcomment” which he used to note why he didn’t allow comments on his personal blog.
Previous to this, on January 14, 2008, Warren Kinsella’s item, “Cartoons and Islam” also appeared on the “Fullcomment”site. Some of his comments from that column are noted below:
*”Expressing hatred about someone else’s spiritual beliefs is not free speech. It is hatred, and it is almost always calculated to cause pain and hurt.”…
*In early 2006, at a band practice, we were talking about another Toronto punk group, called – and I am not making this up – T** F*** Me Jesus.”
*”I’m a church-going Catholic, and that band’s name doesn’t offend me in the slightest. Nor the stuff found on the cover of Black Flag records, nor the songs by my beloved Bad Religion.”
*”But that’s just me. And I can understand how someone else could be offended – really and truly hurt – by something like a band called T** F*** Me Jesus. And, just because I’m okay with that, doesn’t mean that someone else has to be, …”
*”And, when all is said and done, what Muslims seek from the rest of us is not anything we do not already seek from them. Which is, mainly, a modicum of respect for the things they hold closest to their hearts.”
*”I say they deserve that respect. And, if that makes me a censor, I’ll wear that insult with pride.”
It would be beneficial to Warren Kinsella and his soul, (You still do believe in a “soul”, do you, Mr. Kinsella?), and educational for the rest of us, to have someone such as Father Raymond De Souza tease out the tenets of Warren Kinsella’s Catholicism. Currently, Warren Kinsella comes across as a kind of “cafeteria Catholic”. Other “buffet snackers” of the Liberal ilk being the corrupt Paul Martin (Raymond De Souza: “Post” 06.01.24), and the theologically confused McGuinty brothers. What we seem to have here is a fuzzy notion of Catholic/Christian theology. At least. (Is there something adulterating the holy water in the Catholic churches in the Ottawa Valley?) But, I welcome clarification on this.
Mr. Kinsella sees comments which are made about the dark eras of Muslim history as being a source of “hatred” which engenders “pain and hurt”. He rushes in to essentially advocate for silencing, through censorship, those who make such comments about Muslims.
Warren Kinsella, “a church-going Catholic, encounters a group with a derogatory name, a group which attacks his religion, by demeaning the essence of Catholicism (Christianity); that is, Jesus, the Son of God. But Mr. Kinsella is not offended by this!
Since he acknowledges that “… I can understand how someone else could be offended – really and truly hurt …” by the punk rock band’s name, does Mr. Kinsella think that that band and its name should be sanctioned by being silenced? Should someone who is “offended” make this out to be a case to take to the Ontario Human Rights Commission or one of its similar incarnations across the country?
Given Mr. Kinsella’s attempts to silence comments made about Muslims so that Muslims do not experience “pain and hurt”, does Mr. Kinsella, a lawyer, not feel some obligation to voice similar concern, and then take some substantive action, to silence those who would engender “pain and hurt” to Christians? Should not Mr. Kinsella feel obligated to rid us of groups who are voicing “hate” against Christians by legally pursuing those who are violating our (seeming) hate laws?
So, what has Mr.Kinsella, an officer of the court who is pledged to uphold the law, done about eliminating this blatant injustice which is being perpetrated upon Christians through the use, by a certain group, with a punk band name of “T** F*** Me Jesus”, and others employing “Black Flag” album covers, and certain songs by “Bad Religion”?
Let us take a Warren Kinsella comment, a lawyer’s comment, and substitute one word.
Warren Kinsella: “I say [Christians] deserve that respect. And, if that makes me a censor, I’ll wear that insult with pride.”
What do you intend to do about this, Mr. Kinsella? How are you, as a lawyer, going to see that Christians get that respect in regard to the matter at hand?
Otherwise, Mr. Kinsella, you are culpable.
(Note: The original posting on the “Fullcomment” site by Warren Kinsella about his not allowing comments on his blog, and in which he attacked “canadian infidel”, drew about two dozen postings from readers who totally hammered him. Curiously, Mr. Kinsella’s entry and all the approximately twenty-four condemnations of his entry, have been removed from the “Fullcomment” site at this writing. It should also be noted that sometimes, for whatever reason, some entries come and go on the “Fullcomment” site without explanation. However, his kickoff to the whole discussion, “Cartoons and Islam” still remains.)
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How are people to know then what might offend others, if some are offended, and others are not. This guy is a Christian and isn’t offended by the band’s name, but another Christian may be offended, and what, this Christian should be able to take it to a HRC to complain? How come Christians never even bother? Maybe because Christians believe God is alive and can take care of himself, and others for that matter in any which way he pleases. I guess Mohammed is dead and can’t protect his reputation, so somebody else has to? Don’t Muslims believe Allah will take care of things for them, or is it because Allah doesn’t take care of things for anybody, that they are concerned about? I don’t know, but does Allah answer prayers?
My question is how did Muslims recognize Mohammed in those cartoons? I personally would never have known.
How can you charge someone with inciting hatred, when there is no act to follow? Muslims fear death as the consequence from other Muslims, but they are not going to get that from westerners, so they had to downgrade to hurt feelings…..wah! Sissies, the whole lot of them.
What you are talking about is not free speech. It is already a criminal action.The operative word being action. I think Ezra’s HRC videos explains some of the other limitation of free speech. Ones that are libelous, direct other to commit murder or violence, infringes on copywrite etc.
What Ezra is on “trial” for is words and opinions that have historically never been illegal. He republished some poorly done cartoons that offended a religion. He is being censored over hurt feelings not actions.
There is a huge difference. The HRC is a unelected, unaccountable bureaucracy that is taking away rights by reinterpreting our free speech laws. Complete with closed door hearings and a punitive financial liability to the accused but free to the complainant. It is a horrible system that is easily abused and used to promote a progressive agenda through the backdoor.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/01/13/nalien113.xml
Here is a good article in a newspaper in the UK about a British man who goes back to the neighbourhood he grew up in and what it has now become. A very good read.
Whatever hatred there exists against muslims has been caused by their own actions – destructive acts of terrorism around the world, that we all see in the news on a regular basis. What significant additional hatred could these cartoons possibly inspire?
Wha. .? WK? Eyes roll. = TG
I see that Warren does’nt allow comments to be posted to his site. I can begin to understand why. Who would want to be told by that many people just how full of sh_t he is. Kind of brings a guy’s spirit down, ya know.
Warren
Poop from Purgatory is appropriate. You have become redundant squared and no amount of self promotion will change that fact.
Your specious arguments only serve to further expose your lack of intellectual and motivational depth.
BTW…did you know one can drown in as little as six inches of water.
Your apparant stupidity would sugest that both tubs and toilets are areas where you should not go unsupervised.
Sincerely
Syncro
p.s. I would have posted this at your site but it seems the overwhelming number of “Canadians”(tm) prefer to absorb your bullshit without comment. Sez you.
randall: If it were only acts of terrorism. The fact is that Muslim doctrine, that is it’s written text, is barbaric. Islam, when practiced devoutely, is everything that liberal democracy is not. That is why WK is so wrong … he has no grasp of what he speaks.
I oppose Islam because of its doctrine just the same as I oppose fascism, communism, totalitarianism, etc.
WK’s arguement comes down to saying that you can’t lampoon or mock fascism because it offends Germans.
The man is a political animal, but a philosophical midget.
the hateful thing he said was NOT said in order to promote hate.
Free speech is not un-limited.
But, who acts as arbiter, my friend? You, me, the state? That’s the point.
Yelling fire as a prank in a crowded theater isn’t free speech. Burning Mohammed in effigy or, as offensive as to me as it is, the US flag is free speech. I have no right that says I’m not allowed to be offended.
I believe that there are times circumstances where a pointed and purposeful hatred is entirely appropriate!
Kinsella’s a lightweight.
He’s demonstrated he knows little about the new media – which was supposed to be his gig at the post.
Notice too the change in the Post, and the fact they actually have an unemotive professional (Karen Selick) writing much column space on legal topics.
And the frequency of column inches Kinsella has.
This turd don’t float.
I’d venture a guess he’s 6 months away from back to begging government for more business to his business.
And in the meantime, will get more provacative for the sake of exposure and readership. To paraphrase: ‘I don’t care what’s written about me, as long as it’s written”
People should ignore this gerbil, and focus on writers who are at the very least, sincere. Not a failed ‘new media’ commentator.
You’re getting strung along…
To paraphrase: ‘I don’t care what’s written about me, as long as it’s written”
To parapharase: There’s no such thing as bad written.
We did not elect *Censor WK & Liebranos*, remember?
The last thing Canadians need is WK/liebrano censorship keeping us in the dark.
What you do not know can surprise you and slit your throat.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_fatah/20060210.html
Cocky, daring, Levant brought us the STORY, not simply the cartoons.
It would be nice if the AHRC would stick to human rights abuse and not PC appeasement.= TG
Heh.
It must be quite a mind-blower for Kinsella to read a blog where the average blogger is 100% smarter than the entire power group of the present Crooked Liberal Punk Party du Canada.
“Although most people have heard of the growing Christian Rock industry, less is known about emerging Christian Punk Rock. A direct counter to the anti-Christian attitudes of modern Punk Rock, Warren’s counter band, Poo Poo from Heck, promote a positive message of individual responsibility and cleaning up after yourself.”
“Less is known about the just formed band, Mammary Love Me Saviour.”
Joanne at 12:45, Kinsella may have been born into a Catholic family, but I don’t think he claims to be Christian by belief or persuasion. Certainly, anyone who is persuaded of the Lordship of Jesus Christ would find the very vulgar name of his favorite rock band to be extremely offensive. That he doesn’t is telling.
And Kate, I have to agree with WL Mac Redux, who do yoou tortue us by linking to his site? If you link, I’ll invariably read it, but he doesn’t derserve the attention and it only encourages him.
Rick, actually he does claim to be so. From his page, and I quote:
“I’m a church-going Catholic, and that band’s name doesn’t offend me in the slightest. Nor the stuff found on the covers of Black Flag records, nor the songs by my beloved Bad Religion.”
I can provide the link if necessary, but I would rather not give him traffic.
I think that makes it even more disturbing.
Myself, as a church-going Catholic, the band’s name offends me. As well it should.
A little late to the party but I think it is needful to realize that the cartoons in question were not offensive to Muslims until Denmark embarrassed some potentate from the Middle East. Just like it was ok to name a teddy bear Mohammed until Britain embarrassed some potentate in Africa. Since that time Muslims in the free west have exploited the “outrage” to their political advantage but we as free thinking people need to be aware that the only outrage Muslims feel is when their way in this world is thwarted. That we should even consider losing our freedoms because some petty tyrant somewhere in the world can get his people to riot is down right idiotic.
“Reading his rants, I can only say he suffers from serious cognitive dissonance…Psychiatric care. Go for it, wk.”
Posted by: otter at January 15, 2008 8:54 AM
Actually, Otter, I think he suffers from a particularly virulent strain of Tourette’s syndrome. There is some virtue to linking, only occasionally mind you, to his site, just to display to your readers how unhinged the Canadian left has become. Other than for occasional didactic purposes, however, it would be better to keep him outside the public discourse until he has successfully completed therapy.
Just heard Adler explaining Kinsella’s position while interviewing Levant. My question is if a horde of enraged Catholics threatened to violently riot every time someone offended Christ, would Kinsella support disallowing such freedom of expression? Absolutely ridiculous!
‘They’ say the true measure of a man’s belief in freedom of speech is how far he will go to protect those rights for another man who is saying something he strongly disagrees with.
In that sense,WK seems pretty damn wishy-washy to me.
Although it disgusts me some think that putting a crucifix in a jar of piss is art,I do not want to see that freedom lost.
Although I feel like sh*t-kicking some idiots burning a flag to protest the very soldiers dying to give them the freedom to burn that flag,I know I must restrain myself.
And when someone wishes to draw cartoons of a ‘symbol’ of a religion to editorialize their opinion of it’s inherent hypocricies,I say well done.
For it is most often those who cry oppression loudest that have the worst records for denying others’ freedoms.
I think we should all be careful when referring to the “Left” here.
I would think the ones usually refered to as the ‘left’ — those that put a roof over our heads (carpenters, ect) have nothing to do with WK types. More the ‘latte’, ‘basket-weaving crowd’, I would say.
Johann – I too am a practicing Roman Catholic and yes, I am offended with the band’s name. At the same time, living in a free society, I respect their right to name themselves whatever they want. I hope that no one launches a human rights complaint over something so stupid but, guess what, there are people stupid enough out there to do just that.
hiding behind freedom of expression in order to willfully incite hatred towards muslims is what’s at issue here. hypocrites.
Posted by: jeff davidson at January 15, 2008 9:07 AM
Islamicizes
Rat on! Warnout Kinsella does a column for the National Post- I just cancelled my subscription……..
wk …. Canadas first official Islamocrat .
“Spray painting “Death to the Jews” on a school IS NOT FREE SPEECH IT IS VANDALISM!”
Therein lies the problem…
“Spray painting “Death to Muslims” on a school IS NOT FREE SPEECH IT IS A HATE CRIME.”
Liberals like Mr. Kinsella do not get the irony. It doesn’t fit with their cloistered world view.
Kinsella said,
“…what Muslims seek from the rest of us is not anything we do not already seek from them… a modicum of respect for the things they hold closest to their hearts”
Hmmm.
And I thought it was the jizya. Who knew?
As usual, jeff davidson swaggers in with the dumbest of comments. Re-read Hans Rupprecht’s 11:42am posting and then try to string a sentence together that doesn’t make you look like a moron, jeff. See any Christians killing muslims over serrano’s “piss christ”? Or, for that matter, calling for kinsella’s execution over his “barney” slander against Stockwell Day?
Well, that’s another New Year’s Resolution down the tubes: mustn’t…feed…the trolls…
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
As always, Kinsella misses the point by a mile.
This isn’t about “respect” and consideration for each other. OF COURSE we should be nice to each other; that’s called Polite Society. The point under debate is whether the government should be allowed to regulate our speech, and what that does to our fundamental freedoms.
You’d think a fifth grader would understand this distinction, but Kinsella doesn’t get it. Therefore, I choose to exercise my freedom of speech by proclaiming him a complete and utter bonehead.
Did THOSE words hurt, Warren? Stick and stones…
It’s OK to make fun of evangelical Christians because it entails no personal risk.
So much for those moral relativist attempts to equate Christian fundamentalists with Muslim ones.
If the two really were the same, no “artist” would dare come up with something like “Piss Christ” or “Tit Fuck Me Jesus” for fear of being murdered by an irate Pentacostalist.
As the young uns say; “It’s all good.” I guess. But this back and forth about who is the goofier goof in the never ending nah nah nah na na of free speech vs censorship is sort of a waste of time a little bit. Kinsella is interested in his own notoriety. A few commentors have pointed that out. So 80 plus comments will be very pleasing to him, I’m sure.
My other point is this: we often resort to longish words to write things that can be written in shortish words. For example: “I don’t like Islam.” is shortish. So is “I don’t like Christianity.” That’s me done.
Yes, but… those 80+ comments are HERE. All the traffic is HERE.
He gets squat aside from a few paltry visits, and deservedly so.
Careful, kids, Warren’s comin’ after you:
http://warrenkinsella.com/index.php?entry=entry080115-222529
Kinsella has a burr under his ass BIG-Time !! He sees it all falling apart, so he lashes out, while riding along with other middle-aged punks. Literally and figuratively.
So Warren, all commenters at sda have a nothing-life, eh?
Well, for most of MY life, ‘I’ was the one who put food on YOUR table. Literally ! Next time around you can kiss-my-ass !
This era, the Internet/blogs era, is a first. Ever since the Printing Press was invented by Johannes Gutenberg in 1440, the Media has had the advantage over the citizens.
Spin-Masters, such as Kinsella and Billary, in the pocket of Media Orgs, got away with murder. Literally and figuratively. (think Medicare)
What’s Warren got against people who clean bathrooms?
What’s with all the hateful writings on his blog? I think he should take advantage of some of the services that mental health professionals offer. Might help him out of most of issues, but there’s no known cure for being a hippie Liberal in your fifties.
The reason he’s so pissed off of course is that ALL these blogs strike a nerve, not just this one. Remember, he’s still nostalgic about his Barney the Dinosaur stunt the same way Al Bundy remembers scoring 4 touch downs in one game of high-school football. Bundy, of course has more excuse.
When its pointed out that the asskicker of Canadian politics got his ass kicked in Canadian politics(remember BC?). When he settled out of court for a libel suit because of his anti nazi book.(right here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Kinsella)
And of course when Kate delivers some emasculating humiliation…get the point?
A Confused Liberal
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Warren Kinsella made an inelegant attempt to discredit “canadian infidel” on the “Fullcomment” site by employing the Liberal method of drive-by slagging. Our “canadian infidel”made note of some pejorative history related to Mohammed and the adherents of the Muslim religion. Mr. Kinsella took great annoyance at this in a posting on “Fullcomment” which he used to note why he didn’t allow comments on his personal blog.
Previous to this, on January 14, 2008, Warren Kinsella’s item, “Cartoons and Islam” also appeared on the “Fullcomment”site. Some of his comments from that column are noted below:
*”Expressing hatred about someone else’s spiritual beliefs is not free speech. It is hatred, and it is almost always calculated to cause pain and hurt.”…
*In early 2006, at a band practice, we were talking about another Toronto punk group, called – and I am not making this up – T** F*** Me Jesus.”
*”I’m a church-going Catholic, and that band’s name doesn’t offend me in the slightest. Nor the stuff found on the cover of Black Flag records, nor the songs by my beloved Bad Religion.”
*”But that’s just me. And I can understand how someone else could be offended – really and truly hurt – by something like a band called T** F*** Me Jesus. And, just because I’m okay with that, doesn’t mean that someone else has to be, …”
*”And, when all is said and done, what Muslims seek from the rest of us is not anything we do not already seek from them. Which is, mainly, a modicum of respect for the things they hold closest to their hearts.”
*”I say they deserve that respect. And, if that makes me a censor, I’ll wear that insult with pride.”
It would be beneficial to Warren Kinsella and his soul, (You still do believe in a “soul”, do you, Mr. Kinsella?), and educational for the rest of us, to have someone such as Father Raymond De Souza tease out the tenets of Warren Kinsella’s Catholicism. Currently, Warren Kinsella comes across as a kind of “cafeteria Catholic”. Other “buffet snackers” of the Liberal ilk being the corrupt Paul Martin (Raymond De Souza: “Post” 06.01.24), and the theologically confused McGuinty brothers. What we seem to have here is a fuzzy notion of Catholic/Christian theology. At least. (Is there something adulterating the holy water in the Catholic churches in the Ottawa Valley?) But, I welcome clarification on this.
Mr. Kinsella sees comments which are made about the dark eras of Muslim history as being a source of “hatred” which engenders “pain and hurt”. He rushes in to essentially advocate for silencing, through censorship, those who make such comments about Muslims.
Warren Kinsella, “a church-going Catholic, encounters a group with a derogatory name, a group which attacks his religion, by demeaning the essence of Catholicism (Christianity); that is, Jesus, the Son of God. But Mr. Kinsella is not offended by this!
Since he acknowledges that “… I can understand how someone else could be offended – really and truly hurt …” by the punk rock band’s name, does Mr. Kinsella think that that band and its name should be sanctioned by being silenced? Should someone who is “offended” make this out to be a case to take to the Ontario Human Rights Commission or one of its similar incarnations across the country?
Given Mr. Kinsella’s attempts to silence comments made about Muslims so that Muslims do not experience “pain and hurt”, does Mr. Kinsella, a lawyer, not feel some obligation to voice similar concern, and then take some substantive action, to silence those who would engender “pain and hurt” to Christians? Should not Mr. Kinsella feel obligated to rid us of groups who are voicing “hate” against Christians by legally pursuing those who are violating our (seeming) hate laws?
So, what has Mr.Kinsella, an officer of the court who is pledged to uphold the law, done about eliminating this blatant injustice which is being perpetrated upon Christians through the use, by a certain group, with a punk band name of “T** F*** Me Jesus”, and others employing “Black Flag” album covers, and certain songs by “Bad Religion”?
Let us take a Warren Kinsella comment, a lawyer’s comment, and substitute one word.
Warren Kinsella: “I say [Christians] deserve that respect. And, if that makes me a censor, I’ll wear that insult with pride.”
What do you intend to do about this, Mr. Kinsella? How are you, as a lawyer, going to see that Christians get that respect in regard to the matter at hand?
Otherwise, Mr. Kinsella, you are culpable.
(Note: The original posting on the “Fullcomment” site by Warren Kinsella about his not allowing comments on his blog, and in which he attacked “canadian infidel”, drew about two dozen postings from readers who totally hammered him. Curiously, Mr. Kinsella’s entry and all the approximately twenty-four condemnations of his entry, have been removed from the “Fullcomment” site at this writing. It should also be noted that sometimes, for whatever reason, some entries come and go on the “Fullcomment” site without explanation. However, his kickoff to the whole discussion, “Cartoons and Islam” still remains.)
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