The Mulroney – Schreiber media frenzy is less a scandal in waiting than it is a speculation-driven Liberal hope bubble. It’s too old, the basis too flimsy, the source too compromised, too little money is alleged to be involved, but most important of all – it’s already been investigated.
And then there’s the involvement of journalist/police informant Stevie Cameron. If ever a scandal had an Achilles in heels…
But I do like Mulroney’s idea.;
After a tough and lengthy battle against these false and horrendously libellous accusations, the government of the day had to admit that they had absolutely no evidence to support them, and apologized to me and my family. In addition, they had to reimburse me of all my legal and other expenses.
Twelve years later, the same people at the CBC and at certain other media organizations who were at the origin of the 1995 accusations are still conducting their vendetta. Last Friday, Prime Minister Stephen Harper decided that he needed the counsel of an independent third party to advise him on the course of action to follow after new allegations were made in an affidavit filed by Karlheinz Schreiber from his prison cell where he is detained pending the execution of an extradition order confirmed twice by the Supreme Court of Canada.
I will fully co-operate with the special adviser soon to be appointed by the Prime Minister, but I have come to the conclusion that in order to finally put this matter to rest and expose all the facts and the role played by all the people involved, from public servants to elected officials, from lobbyists to the police authorities, as well as journalists, the only solution is for the government to launch a full-fledged public commission of inquiry which would cover the period from 1988 to today.
(Caveat – so long as the Globe, the CBC, CTV, and the Liberal Party of Canada are presented with the bill should he again be cleared.)
But, whatever. I come not to praise Mulroney – my fondness for everything Progressive Conservative finally evaporated with the Bristol Aerospace CF-18 contract – but to provide you a dedicated thread.
Stay on topic.
Has the LPC payed back the $250 million they stole from the public in adscam?
Like you said, already been investigated. Mulroney is wrong though, nothing will put this to rest. There are a bunch of people out there who want to get him, and nothing will ever silence them. After they are gone, their children will probably take up the cause.
$300,000 in cash.
Says it all.
I suggest that Harper have a grand inquiry:
One big inquiry to look at ALL of his predecessors including Chrétien’s hotel/golf/cottage road/family connections, Paul Martin’s gifts of near $200,000,000 in contracts to his own company while only disclosing $200,000 of it…
The Media Liberals and the politician Liberals ask, let them receive.
I bet it would clear Mulroney and jail the librianos. If it doesn’t clear Mulroney, then put him away too. I don’t like crooks of any political stripe. Actually, for any of them found to have done illegal things, put them into cells with the worst psychopathic, gay-rapist sodomizers in the entire prison system. Thieving politicians deserve it.
I understand Mulroney’s motivation — to expose any and all who have been a part of the contriving — and am quite giddy about the possible outcomes, but I can’t support the ding to the taxpayer to simply clear his name. Let it go to the Courts and let the accusers repay his legal and other costs again. The government should keep their hands out of it; the GOC already took Mulroney to Court and lost, so don’t do it again. If the concerned individuals want to take another run at Mulroney, then let them do it on their, not ours.
Upon completion of said full public inquiry (the “Inquisition”), all cost and expense to any persons (the “Deep Pockets”) arising out of, caused by or related to the Inquisition shall be immediately due and payable to the Deep Pockets jointly and severally by all parties responsible for originating or promulgating any and all unsubstantiated allegations against the inquiry subject (the “Lamb”), as determined by the Lamb, acting vengefully.
I smell another Steve Harper blitzkrieg. By having a public inquiry as suggested, all the Liberal laundry comes out along with Mulroney’s. Can you say One Billion Dollars for the gun registry? Its a frickin’ computer database, it can’t cost that much. That’s a biiiig skeleton, and it is spring loaded to pop out.
“Worst” case scenario, if Mulroney goes down Steve Harper loses NOTHING. Its not the same party. Frankly I think it would rock if all three of the bastards ended up in the slammer. Mulroney, Chretien AND Martin. It is win win WIN! for Harper and the CPC.
Proving Dion is an even bigger idiot than I thought. Toronto Sun headline today is “Done Like Dion”.
“… their dime, not ours”. Sorry for the oversight.
Refer to the prophet Dr. Flanagan’s Seventh Commandment, which all Conservatives should know by rote:
“Another point for consideration is how to respond when other parties play hardball. Mr. Harper set the right tone during the last campaign in a squabble with the Liberals’ Paul Martin about who was in bed with the separatists. When the media asked him if he wanted an apology, he said simply, “I don’t go around demanding apologies. I can take a punch.”
As a Conservative I’ve been disappointed that the CPC hasn’t sued the crap out of the MSM and that they haven’t launched an investigation into the Liberals with a view to eliminating the cancer on Canada they comprise permanently.
In the long run, however, the widsom of the rope-a-dope strategy becomes apparent. The media left unchecked has become a joke, and with two years of taking punches under his belt Harper now has the political capital to start throwing haymakers without being (credibly) labelled scary, mean, etc. And to the extent the MSM has been lazy, to be charitable, in investigating the Liberals and vengeful to the point of becoming RCMP snitches in pursuing Tories, this is not going to end well for them.
It’s obvious that 2 things have occurred here.
1) Schreiber is facing extradition and a jail term in Europe and will say or do anything to stay in this nation..including get into a lengthy litigation while he formulates a way to escape interpol.
2) Harper was hesitant to do anything about Schreiber’s wild accusation…this is natural political rection….however, it is also fact that all theur usual Liberal sycophanys in the media are working the Schreiber-Mulroney rumors for all it is workth to smear Harper with 15 year old muck which Chretien couldn’t get to stick to Mulroney.
The Liberals and their media supporters are desperate for anything to put a dent in Harper’s popularity….we are going into a period of Media partisanship where many negative innuendos will be repropagated before the fact….I just hope when the dust settles from this Harper actually sues any media that print false accusations an innuendo .
I’m so sick of predatory partisan and vindictive media I really want to see a few of the main rumor mongers do jail time for the damage they do.
Maybe even the cbc will be taken down. Wonder how many journalists are sweating.
Dion just said liberals did not get a letter. Imagine, going to the ndp and not the liberals. Who didn’t show it to dion.
How did Crouton become a multi-millionaire? How did Paul Martin find the money to buy Canadian Steamship Lines?
I was never a big Mulroney fan (although he did a few good things), but I would agree with Kate, I do like his strategy here.
This nothing but a desperate attempt by the Left to hurt the Harper government.
I believe it is also a vendetta perpetrated by the Left wing press and others to seek revenge on Mulrony for taking eight precious years away from the Natural governing party of Canada.
However, like most Leftist ideas, they probably have not thought this through to a logical conclusion. Those conclusions being, the bones from every closet in every quarter of the Liberals and their cronies in the press and elsewhere that Mulrony has available to toss out.
Why else would he be calling their bluff. The Libs and their army of sycophants know that they can’t win this, but they may get enough mileage out of it to help them in an election that may come at any time.
And don’t forget Mulrony was prominent in the ranks of the Desmarais empire Power Corp). Who knows how far up the food chain his reach is. Chretien and Martin, Bob Rae … All Desmarais folks. The CBC is doing dangerous stuff. They are messing with Bilderbergers here. The biggest of the big world elites don’t like publicity.
Andrew said: “As a Conservative I’ve been disappointed that the CPC hasn’t sued the crap out of the MSM and that they haven’t launched an investigation into the Liberals with a view to eliminating the cancer on Canada they comprise permanently.”
Agreed. And remove the cancer the yellow journaism in the Star which has poisined politics in Canada as surely as crooked Librano and PC polis.
If the Star ever were sued for the unsubstantiated dark innuenbdo they smear their political enemies with, the paper would have been in recievership decades ago.
I say take them out with a Massive suit the second they tred over that line between responsible honest curiosity and propagating damaging innuendo.
there were some civil servants who said they saw the letters but didn’t pass them on to the prime minister. part of an article on the toronto star way down on the page .
http://www.thestar.com/News/article/275877
I say give the Liberals exactly what they want, a full inquiry. But also launch a full inquiry into Cretien and Martin too.
This whole thing reeks of Liberal desperation.
The ghost of Brian Mulroney has about as much impact as the ghost of Grant Devine. I’m no fan either gentleman, but come on now.
Harper warned his erstwhile opponents with regards to the can of worms they wished to open. The Progressive Conservative brand is dead, and for some reason, the Liberals wish to kill their brand as well.
Nobody is sweating because notthing has been called. An investigation into the press…can you imaguine how many court challenges that will result in?
Mulroney appears to be open. And the $300,000 in cash is troubling, mind you if someone wishes to pay you in cash as opposed to cheque do you refuse it? But it is odd.
Schreiber will say and do anything to prevent his extradition. He has been sending out letters with all kinds of accusations….repeat accusations. If you were the PMO and received a letter with an accusation, but no court date, no sworn affdavit attached etc etc would you take it seriously….How many letters get sent to the PMO allegeing UFO’s, or how many talk about Maurice Strong….until there is reason to do anything nothing will be done. It isnt the PMO’s job to initiate investigations, thats what the dept of justice and the solicitor general are for, oh and the RCMP.
Last time that happened the subject was exonerated and the government felt compelled to pay. Unfair for Goldenberg to state that they wouldnt have….Have Chretien authorize release of all cabinet meeting minutes related to this affair then we might have some sense of what went into the decision and what would have changed it.
Schreiber is a weasal, why Mulroney hung around him I’ll never know and it is the most troubling aspect of this. Of course he is able to generate friends in Marc Lalonde and Elmer Mackay, so this guy is an operator and able to command loyalty after his power has appeared to wane.
Mulroney’s cheif of staff was David Mclaughlin, who is now Cannon’s COS….Peter Mackay is Elmer’s son (he’ll know something)
For all of the Mulroney haters out there….don’t be surprised to see him exonerated again. Which is why Harper needs to act carefully, for both protection of a valuable political ally, and to safeguard the purse of the Governemnt of Canada.
The person I cant figure out in all of this is Norm Spector…..he is a total SPhinx on this and just references you to Kaplan’s books and his statement to the RCMP. But keeps highlighting articles on this whole thing.
He knows what the relationship was with Schreiber and I am sure he knows what happened with Airbus, and dont assume the two are necessarily connected.
Mulroney was silly to take the $300,000 in cash….do I think he asked for it, or an aide asked for it…not at all. Do I think Schreiber decided to spread good fortune around to give him protection for the future….yes.
Mulroney was stupid to have accepted the money, but I don’t think he was bribed. The man knew he was uber connected coming out of his PM ship and was destined to sit on numerous boards etc etc.
This does need to be cleared and Harper needs to run away from it. Mulroney has told him he can, with his statement. Do your job Steve H, give Mulroney and the opposition what they want, or follow Spector’s suggestion and do the special prosecutor….
This whole affair needs to be clarified, including as Mulroney said, the chattering classes who have anonymously been trying to get his head.
Matt. They became wealthy the same way Mulroney , Trudeu and many other quebec based politicians did, Power Corp.
I think that the fact that Schreiber made his allegations to the media as opposed to making a complaint to the police speaks volumes. It’s a cheap stunt to avoid deportation.
Now I suppose we’ll have to delay deportation and listen to this idiot’s conspiracy theories for months to come.
I agree – it’s a “speculation drive Liberal hope bubble”.
The Liberals are trying to demean Harper as the PM and leader. They can’t come up with anything on him, so, are trying the ‘Link-A-Crook’ tactic. They are trying to link Harper with Mulroney, insist that Mulroney is a crook (he may be) and, by extension, claim that Harper is ‘befouled and a sinner’.
The Liberal MSM go from one rant on to another rant. They’ve gone through all kinds of ad hominems on Harper> He has a ‘hidden agenda’; he’s a redneck from Calgary; he doesn’t hug his son but shakes his hand; he’s fat; on and on. Nothing interests the public. They’ve moved on to ‘he’s a bully; he’s a control freak..nothing bothers Canadians… The polls go up..
The MSM hide the polls…
Dion’s first statement on becoming leader was to define Harper as a ‘control freak’. Dion wouldn’t have that phrase in his English vocabulary; I wonder who told him to say that.
The MSM have been desperate for an election. Doesn’t happen. They accuse Harper of wanting an election despite his clear rejection of such, and ignore the Liberals sitting on their hands.
So, now, I’m speculating, but the MSM and Liberals have the Mulroney=Harper scheme. It’s obvious that someone is advising Schreiber who is desperate to stay in Canada rather than be deported to Germany to face criminal charges. I’m speculating that the Liberals are behind Schreiber. Why is he revealing these ‘documents’ now rather than months ago?
You have Jim Travers, a Toronto Star opinion hack, claiming that Harper and Mulroney are linked. They are, you see, both in political parties with the term ‘Conservative’ in the name.
And, Travers tells us, civil servants in Mulroney’s era are also civil servants in Harper’s era. He’s implying…I”m not sure what…but, he seems to be implying that a civil service employee, working in Mulroney’s govt, is as good as/as corrupt as..Mulroney. And, if that same civil service employee is working in Harper’s govt, then, …..
But wait..if the civil service employee is a clone of their govt leader, then, wouldn’t this same employee no longer be like Mulroney, but would now be a clone of Harper????
And, you can’t fire civil servants; they remain in the service – government after government. They were employed during Chretien and Martin’s eras also. Why doesn’t Travers mention this?
I’m speculating that the whole thing is a set-up by the Liberals and their propaganda Ministry, aka, the MSM (CBC, Star, G&M).
But – it may readily backfire on them. Mulroney (and Harper) may have called their bluff. A full public inquiry will require asking Chretien and Martin about why they charged Mulroney, and why they paid his bills..and..why…
And it will involve the Propaganda Ministry of the Liberal party – the CBC, Star, G&M…
Normal non-criminal incentive, [palm greasing], is real world normal business practice.
Compare $300,000 to the $300 Million$ this is likely to cost us. [Recall Air-India costs?]
Compare $300K to $300,000 Billion$ in Liberal foundations and 200 plus scams..[Google Scamslist.]
How can any sane Judge accept the evidence and testimony of jailbird Schreiber who will do anything to avoid no-nonsense German justice.
This story has Liberal-CBC legs and they don*t care how much of your tax money gets tossed so they can do *The Harper Smear*.
British Columbia just accepted a new German built Ocean going ship, [ferry]. I may eat that boat if it could be verfied that absolutly no *palm greasing* happened there.= TG
The Bristol CF-18 fiasco.
I remember it well. Never voted Federal PC since.
I also remember the Manitoba PC convention being canceled by an early November 1986 snowstorm (36cm). It was to have taken place a few weeks after Mulroney’s interference and was to have had some strong words against it’s federal counterpart.
You really have to follow Kate’s Stevie Cameron link to Coyne. The letter below trashes Coyne et al.
“The only reporters around these days with “chops” are female; they are considered niave by their male confreres – maybe they are – but they pay the price, males are not prepared to pay.
And the public is dumbed down, numbed out or just doesn’t care – as Canada developes a growing international repution for being the most corrupt bush league back water in the West – and you think this is Stevie Cameron’s fault – and you believe the RCMP when they say she was an informer (or when they say anything else)?
I left the busines in disgust. Many of my age group did. We watch you to whom the torch was passed trash the profession, buckle under to political, economis and legal pressure (SLAPP suits) every day, and we cringe.
I have told Harper and his senior Ministers that the next few months time is about more than winning or losing an election; it is about winning or losing a country. If we don’t get a grip soon,it will be too late.”
ET et al:
The fact of the matter is Harper came from the Reform Party, which was rose to prominence in reaction to the CF-18 contract.
Trying to link Harper as a political descendant of Mulroney is totally goofy, since Mulroney killed the red Tory PC brand.
It was only when the PC’s finally figured out they could never come back that they latched onto the success the Reform movement was having.
Even though historically Harper was a rival of Mulroney’s, it really is not his legacy.
Mulroney wants a full public inquiry? Why should the taxpayers be stuck clearing his name?
On the other hand, the issue should be dead since it’s already cost the taxpayers millions of dollars, thanks to the Liberal Party’s rush to judgement without knowing all the facts.
Is there some double jeopardy at play here?
If Mulroney wants to clear his name, he could certainly sue the parties resurrecting the story in a court of law. No problem with that approach.
iam starting to think that maybe someone should be looking into who has been visiting & calling herr schreiber in jail while he awaits deportation. This could just reveal the foundation of the accusations.
Read Kate’s link to Andrew Coyne’s piece. (informant Stevie)
Also read the first comment — by Jim Roache (ex CBC, CRTC, Communications Director)
There is a lot there. Can some one familar with Roache and his rant fill us in ??
“Archilles in heels” !!!
How do you come up with these Kate ?? Impressive mind !! An ability to see many, many things in any story.
Jim Roache? Try Syria.
The Liberals always seem to find ways to waste taxpayers money.
I don’t care about this, it is a non issue!
I would prefer they stay on the dwindling Kyoto bandwagon.
I would prefer they stay on the income trust issue, although that ship also seems to have balanced out.
I would prefer that they keep howling at the moon about a National Daycare program even though it puts them in to the moon bat camp.
I would prefer that they acted as a responsible official opposition but given their propensity for sitting on their hands when votes are called I guess that isn’t going to happen either.
How about Harper distancing himself from Mulroney and his slimy predecessors by doing the fiscally responsible thing by saying the Government of Canada sees no pressing need to spend millions on re-hashing ancient and publicly-costly scandals (and giving the MSM fodder for the next 3 years). He should state that if there is any merit in the allegations let the complainants take civil actions on their coin.
Mulroney has a bad political stench about him (he even blamed Manning for all the damage done to the PCs) and I regret ever having voted for him (twice). Harper owe’s him nothing. He’s better forgotten.
Even Kinsella says that.
Amen to that John Chittick!!
Amen to that John Chittick!!
Amen to that John Chittick!!
Jim Roache is clearly a far-left, tin-hat drooler of the Rabble set.
His rant is delusional. He thinks the media is in Bush’s pocket and that the media in the US got rid of Clinton (who served the us constitutional max of two complete and full terms.)
He’s also wrong on fact. It wasn’t a “bush boy” who outed plame but an ANTI-bush boy. If he had any competence at all as a journalist he’d know that. But if he had any competence at all he’d have worked for a more respectable outfit than the communist broadcasting cabel and the CRTC- thought nazis.
Apparently it is LIBERALS who have funded millions of dollars for Karl’s bail over the years including that oh so “clean” Marc LaLonde. I say, follow the money. Find out where all of those millions for basil for Karl came from and you just may find all roads lead to a Liberal /Chretien bribery coverup… the kind of corruption that Karl himself is alluding to knowing all about but is not giving details about.
In fact, some of Karls letters to Mulroney allude to the fact that they BOTH are being shafted by the REAL criminals behind the scenes.
So, I ask again, WHY are Liberals spending millions to bail out Karl Shreiber?
Bring on the inquiry I say.
And let Karl testify by video link from his jail cell in Germany.
Read Roache and his rant. It’s almost incomprehensible, it’s so filled with hatred. He manages, in his outburst against Harper, to include rants against Bush, support for Muslim claims about the ‘degenerate West’, assurances that Mulroney is guilty, rants against the RCMP, against politicians who ‘sue’…
He provides us with a quote from Schreiber, interviewed by the CBC in his cell (?), who declares that “the Harper govt has reneged on past demands by two of its ministers to hold an inquiry into the Airbus affair because it is scared of potential revelations”.
Hey, wait. How can the Harper gov’t have ‘reneged’ when it had never agreed to such an inquiry? A ‘demand’ by an opposition minister (MacKay when the CPC was in opposition) isn’t a commitment; but a request for the govt in power.
I’m saying that Schreiber is cutting a deal with the Liberals, who will arrange for him to stay in Canada rather than face criminal charges in Germany.
Now – I’m speculating that the Liberals really won’t want a full inquiry. It’s far more lucrative, politically, to rant about hypotheticals, such as done by Travers of the Star, who claims that since Harper and Mulroney both belong to political parties with the same name ‘Conservative’, then, they are operationally connected. If Mulroney is a crook, then so is Harper, according to Jim Travers. That’s the tactic of the Liberals. Link-a-Crook. They don’t want an inquiry.
Facts will involve them; they won’t involve Harper. They’ll be shown up as costing the taxpayer yet more money.
Now- will there be in inquiry, or..how will the Liberals get out of one?
The records of Schreiber’s visitors and the people who have had communications with him while in custody awaiting extadition to Germany will expose the Lie-beral’s, yet again, for what they are.
As WL Mackenzie Redux puts it (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/007421.html#c211791), “say or do anything to stay in this nation”. I totally agree with this in fact when he started making headlines, this was the first thing I thought. In a proper trial..where innocent until proven guilty is the course, this “witness” would be entirely discredited.
i think it is safe to say that many on the left are rubbing their hands with this trying to latch onto something…anything….to link a scandal to the PMO. CTV lead off last night with “bombshell headline” which I would hazard a guess is just going to blow up in their faces.
Mary T,I also watched interview with Dion,and wondered as well,if the NDP openly admit they rec’d info pkg.from Schreiber..why did the official opposition party,that could likely do most damage with this letter NOT get same info? To me,this is not plausible,so who’s lying now?This makes absolutely no sense..so is steffie lying now?And,if the Libs did receive info,why did they wait to bring this to the media?Did they want to ‘cover-up’something as well?too many questions..and I see Garbage-Sortin’ Mark Holland has found his voice again,and is being the faux-outraged voice of the Libs,all over cbc.Gee,if he’d sorted all that info that he and Jennings trotted out for the media,maybe he could have found more damning goodies! Garbage sorters indeed..all the Libs are good for!
Hey does this mean the Liberals will force an election? Please Please Please!
Dions campaign will be worse than Martin’s last time.
From Brian Mulroney’s Memoirs: “I was aware of substantive allegations about prominent Liberals-including some of them close to the Prime Minister-making millions on the deal when Petro-Canada was set up.
Why did no one ever come clean about what happened?
Something was very wrong there and got away with a lot of taxpayer’s money
From Brain Mulroney’s Memoirs re PetroFina and Petro-Canada:
“I was aware of substantive allegations about prominent Liberals-including some close to the former prime minister-making millions on the deal when Petro-Canada was set up…”
I would love to know who got away with taxpayers money!
Bruce Randall said at November 13, 2007 1:08 PM:
“The records of Schreiber’s visitors and the people who have had communications with him while in custody awaiting extadition to Germany will expose the Lie-beral’s, yet again, for what they are.” …-
Among those having had communications with the jailbird: Our Nation’s very own, billion dollar tax-funded #*&.
At the sound of the long dash, beginning with ten minutes of propaganda, it will be exactly Pravda time.
The CBC in the cell with a jailbird; in the bottom, lowest bunk. CBC is too dumb to know that you never sleep in the bottom bunk. Why not?
Notice the reverence/awe/Uriah Heeping of the CBC: “Mr. Schreiber”; no, it’s convict # 66966009.
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“Speaking to CBC Radio’s As It Happens earlier yesterday evening from the Toronto West Detention Centre where he is detained, Mr. Schreiber also pronounced himself in favour of a public inquiry.”
(glob-pail)
Umh. Since when do many liberals care about that? 😀
skipper —- $$$ millions made in the Petro “set-up” ?? A ‘Strong’ case ??
The news of Harper’s decision to sit on that March 2007 letter from Shreiber must be at least part of the reason that the Tories are unable to put any distance in popularity between themselves and Dion’s Liberals. This, despite their glorious mini-budget.
Am I missing some other factor?
Harper’s decision? Drink some more kool-aid and have another puff.