Media still at large;
The U.S. announced on Friday that it captured the mastermind behind the 7/7/2005 bombings in London.
But you would not know it by reading the New York Times, the Washington Post or the Associated Press.
None of them mentioned the London bombings in reporting on the capture of the man who organized that attack, Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi (aka, Abu Abdallah).
Instead, reporters concentrated on where this major player in the war on terrorism was held after his capture.
Secret prisons! Gitmo! Oh, the humanity!
The same holds true for the CTV report and I can find no mention of the capture at all at the CBC website.
You have to go to the Times of London for the details North American media saw fit to omit;
The al-Qaeda leader who is thought to have devised the plan for the July 7 suicide bombings in London and an array of terrorist plots against Britain has been captured by the Americans.
Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, a former major in Saddam Hussein’s army, was apprehended as he tried to enter Iraq from Iran and was transferred this week to the “high-value detainee programme” at Guantanamo Bay.
Abd al-Hadi was taken into CIA custody last year, it emerged from US intelligence sources yesterday, in a move which suggests that he was interrogated for months in a “ghost prison” before being transferred to the internment camp in Cuba.
Abd al-Hadi, 45, was regarded as one of al-Qaeda’s most experienced, most intelligent and most ruthless commanders. Senior counter-terrorism sources told The Times that he was the man who, in 2003, identified Britain as the key battleground for exporting al-Qaeda’s holy war to Europe.
Celestial Junk had a post on this yesterday. This sort of thing is one reason why some of us go way beyond the MSM for our news: too much clubhouse thinking there.
Fine print, indeed. Footprints and paw (4) prints ; right back to the silent grave/bones/ashes/carbon of Maddas Hussein.
“Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, a former major in Saddam Hussein’s army,” is an Al Qaeda leader.
The reallly biggg story is: Muslim Islamic terrorism is a world-wide monster/hydra with numerous heads. The heads have evolved from the body/trunk of Islam. Its heads include: Al-Qaeda and the taliban.
We await comment from MayDion, Canada’s socialist-Liberal leader. Speak/parlez, Citoyen Dion/STOPIGGY, et al.
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You have to read the fine print
Glenn Reynolds caught himself a really big fish today:
WELL, THIS IS NICE: “The al-Qaeda leader who is thought to have devised the plan for the July 7 suicide bombings in London and an array of terrorist plots against Britain has been captured by the Americans. Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi, a former major in Saddam Hussein’s army, was apprehended as he tried to enter Iraq from Iran and was transferred this week to the ‘high-value detainee programme’ at Guantanamo Bay.”
Hey, wait — an “al-Qaeda leader” who’s also a “former major in Saddam Hussein’s army”? But I thought there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Or between Al Qaeda and Iran . . . .
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I’m not sure who is more impressed. “Moi” or the CIA. …-
http://www.jacksnewswatch.info/
Caution,
Good story, however there is a bit of doubt about timing.
See Geg Palast, New Orleans journalist comment.
** This guy was captured in 2002 in Afghanistan. Just trying to give some friendly advice from a fellow journalist.**
Greg Palast, New Orleans, LA
Good news story all the same and the first I heard of it. = TG
Good news for sure. It’s a long road to capture the Hydras of radical Islam.
OT: SURPRISE! FAT BUTT/FAT HEAD AL GORE HAS DENOUNCED OUR GOV’S GREEN PLAN.
The individual captured in 2002 was apparently, not the ‘genuine’ Abd al-Hadi (see Wikipedia). And, after all, if Abd al-Hadi of Iraq was behind the July 7, 2005 London bombings, he could hardly have been captured three years before.
And it does indeed show that Al Qaeda was/is operative in Iraq.
The MSM won’t deal with this because their agenda is to show that the war against Islamic fascism is not only lost, but justifiably lost, because the fascists are ‘just fighting for their rights’ against the evil USA/Corporate Oil or whatever.
Here is a USA government persons data site that shows a file created May 5-2005 for our high ranking 7/7 planning Osama buddy.
http://www.epls.gov/epls/search.do?vindex=17&page=8&status=
current&exclusion=0&exclusion=1&exclusion=2
http://tinyurl.com/2gd5mz
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Taliban/al Qaeda camp targeted in North Waziristan
The Fourth Rail ^ | 4/28/07 | Bill Roggio
Four killed, 3 wounded in Danda Saidgai, the scene of a major assault on an al Qaeda base in March of 2006
An unidentified explosion in the border village of Danda Saidgai in North Waziristan killed three Pakistanis and wounded four on Friday morning. While the incident seems relatively small on the scale of events in the region, the location of the strike and those involved makes the case more than interesting. The explosion certainly took place at a Taliban or al Qaeda camp. Pakistani authorities claim the explosion was cause by a ‘work accident’ – an explosion of a terrorist bomb factory, while locals claim either a missile strike from Afghanistan or an air strike firing upwards of 5 missiles struck a home and two nearby religious schools, which were empty at the time. The explosion (or explosions) occurred at around 3:30 am local time. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825269/posts
sorry CBCpravda is just a bit busy reporting on their current favourites , two of the Gulfstream Ecologists, Al Gore and Bono Suzuki. Dr .Fruitfly gets places so fast he either grew wings or invented the transporter. more likely he buys jet tickets and offsets them with Gore carbocredits, from the box that walks like a man.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/04/28/gore.html
I cant wait for Peter Pansbridge to do a repeat of “I left my enema hose in and now Im sitting on it” when that little Puke Omar Khadr pleads guilty.
CBCpravda “All Khadr , All the time”
they should let him go……
and put bullet and his kidney when he try to escape
I trust they captured him out of uniform?
Re Gore’s denouncing our Green Plan. Take a look at a few of the more than 400 comments in the g&m.
I wonder what the reaction of the lefties supportig Gore would be if it had been Pres Bush who said that. Any of these terrorist al Q types could be on 1on1 with Peter, admit they planned said attack, had beheaded 15 people, stoned dozens of women, blown up several schools and killed 20 of our troops, and Peter would say, but have you really tried to harm us.
Peter would not blink, or show disgust or anything, just tell us to try and understand these loving peaceful people.
American troops recently found a large stash of weapons, bombs etc, buried in the desert. A captured nice guy turned them in. Eventually they will find the wmd that were there, were used on the kurds and were probably in all those UN and Red Cross marked trucks leaving Iraq before the invasion. As UN and Red Cross, they could not be stopped or searched. Who besides me remembers seeing those long caravans heading out, on TV.
I predict the opposition will try to topple the govt, because they believe people support kyoto, not Baird. Nothing on the news yet about how the liberals were aware of abuse of prisoners in Afgan, but signed an agreement with them anyway. Much better than sending them to that awful Gitmo. The libs hate of Bush, along with the msm, made them swallow those stories hook line and sinker. No way would a lib allow an american to be in charge, unless it is Gore.
“But I thought there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda. Or between Al Qaeda and Iran ” Maz2
The connections between Iraq and al Qaeda are far too obscure to people not bright or honest enough to recognize that PBA is infanticide.
I think we need to move beyond the question of the connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda pre-war and instead concentrate upon the exent to which al Qaeda is now operating in Iraq.
Once the extent of al Qaeda’s opeerations in Iraq are understood no one with an intelligent view of the situation would recommend any course of action but continuing the mission until al Qaeda is driven from Iraq.
Good point, Terry. Let’s not fail to appreciate that we will never know the full extent of terrorists and their enablers in the ME over the decades. Abu Nidal died in Iraq, an invited guest. God knows how useful these monsters were from time to time with ME states.
You’ve got to be in denial if you think that anyone in the ME has clean hands or didn’t fund/use terrorists from other camps when it was convenient for them, Saddam included.
That’s a neat tactic, terry gain, to suggest that anyone who disagrees with your view has an ‘unintelligent view of the situation’.
Now, how exactly would you ‘drive Al Qaeda from Iraq’?
Thanks Penny. Here’s an excerpt from Omar of ITM posted at Pajamas Media
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How is the Iraq legislation just passed by the Democrats in Congress seen in Iraq? PJM Baghdad editor Omar Fadhil tells you.
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Instead coming up with ideas to help the US Democrats are trying to stop the effort to stabilize Iraq and rescue the Middle East from a catastrophe.
I am an Iraqi. To me the possible consequences of this vote are terrifying. Just as we began to see signs of progress in my country the Democrats come and say, ‘Well, it’s not worth it.Time to leave’.
To the Democrats my life and the lives of twenty-five other million Iraqis are evidently not worth trying for. They shouldn’t expect us to be grateful for this.
For four years everybody made mistakes. The administration made mistakes and admitted them. My people and leaders made mistakes as well and we regret them.
But now, in the last two months, we have had a fresh start; a new strategy with new ideas and tactics. These were reached after studying previous mistakes and were designed to reverse the setbacks we witnessed in the course of this war.
This strategy, although its tools are not yet even fully deployed, is showing promising signs of progress.
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As Reynolds would say: Read the whole thing
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Penny,
While the Democrats and MSM are desperate to ensure that the liberation of Iraq fails, given the recent implementation of a true counterinsurgency strategy it’s nothing short of bizarre that some who have suported the war up to now have decided this is the time to quit.
I tell you now … even when the rabid dogs of Islam are sawing off heads in the back of downtown Toronto mosque the MSM still won’t want to report for fear of offending Muslims.
We have lost this war already folks, it’s just going to take a long time for the barbarians with their machetes, and AK47s to get us all.
No doubt there will be many stand offs in Rural Canada and the US where real men and women still live in small numbers, but the big game has been won. We in the west are caving like the Romans did and like the Mayans did. Our time is past. We no longer have the balls, brains or the will to support our ever corrupting way of life.
I can see it clearly. We have no virtue in our society, no pride (gays notwithstanding) and no moral code to rally around. It’s all over but the bitching.
It will soon be up to the Chinese and East Indians to duke it out with Islam. We are merely holding them off until those two powers achieve the economies and strength to take it over.
let’s see how the treaty negotiations with the First Nations fare at that point in history. I have no doubt they will still be in session twenty or thirty years hence.
“Secret prisons! Gitmo! Oh, the humanity!”
Sure we hate Bush, but it’s not all bad news. Signing statements, domestic spying, executive privilege, suspension of habeus corpus, extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and secret prisons will make Hillary’s job a lot easier than it would have been otherwise.
Thanks, neo-cons. Deep down, I can see that we’re on the same side after all.
Well ET given that al Qaeda is being attrited at a fearsome rate (in the words of General Petraeus) you keep on keeping on. You would also know this if you read Roggio’s daily reports.
BTW when do you want America to surrender to al Qaeda, if not now? I ask because I noticed you attempted to backpedal from your initial statement that America should leave (implying now). (Be careful it’s a trick question.)
And given, that by your insinuation, there are an unlimited number of al Qaeda troops in Iraq, where exactly do you think they will be redeployed fresh from their victory in Iraq?
Are you now calling for the immediate withdrawal of Canadian forces from Afstan and, if not, why not?
Why should we sacrifice one more Canadian life in a war that will inevitably be lost, as it will if the war in Iraq is lost.
Know your enemy!
Know your enemy!
terry gain – I am not advocating that the US ‘surrender’ to Al Qaeda.
I am saying that the US must leave Iraq – soon. Why?
Because the war against Islamic fascism cannot be won by ‘killing them off’. That can’t happen unless and until the root cause of Islamic fascism is dealt with. I gave an example before, when I said that it is useless to deal with the symptoms of a disease, eg a rash/fever, without dealing with the cause of that disease.
What is the root cause of Islamic fascism? It is tribalism. What will end it? The development of a civic citizenship – which means, that all adults of the population have ‘the power to take part in the deliberative or judicial administration of the state’ (Aristotle). Tribalism rejects this empowerment of the population; it has a small elite who hold all power; the rest of the population don’t have any power.
Tribalism, a basic component of Islam, is the political mode of the ME. Its continuance, long past its relevance, is the root cause of Islamic fascism.
The dissent against tribalism was/is viciously repressed in the ME. Saddam Hussein kept himself and his tribe in power via a military repression. Same in SA, along with a repressive Wahhabi ideology; same in Syria, Egypt etc. Iran has the same and its theological repression.
The result was Islamic fascism, a utopian idealistic ‘essentialism’ – violent, future-focused, almost insane. Because it could not be expressed internally in the ME, it moved outside to the West.
The US has moved this expression back into the ME.
What’s the next step?
The ME MUST develop a civic citizenship, it MUST develop the majority of its population as a middle class – no tribalism, all of the population are equal – all are civic citizens – and, a majority of them must be middle class.
I don’t see this happening in Iraq. It seems to have stalled. Certainly, it isn’t happening in SA, Syria, etc.. Having a vote, a democratic vote was an important first step, but my concern is that what is happening in Iraq is a kind of ‘stalling – and regression back into tribalism’. That is – is Iraq just replacing Hussein’s tribe with a new tribalism?
And is the dissent against tribalism going to be repressed again – before it was repressed by Saddam’s military police. Is Iraq USING the US military to repress dissent in Iraq? And continuing on in tribalism rather than developing that civic citizenship and that middle class?
Certainly, Iran and SA and Syria are providng the basics of the insurgency in Iraq. But, my point is that the Iraqi gov’t and the Iraqi people have to themselves, stand up and reject this fighting, reject this tribalism, and the Iraqi gov’t has to insist on a civic citizenship and a middle class.
I don’t see this being articulated in Iraq. It is useless to simply ‘keep killing Al Qaeda’. Like a disease, like an epidemic – until you deal with the root causes – you’ll never succeed in conquering such a blight.
Afghanistan, in my view, is different, in that I get a sense that the Afghan gov’t is involved in developing a civic citizenship and a middle class. Therefore, the military should stay there, because Al Qaeda are trying to prevent this development BUT – the Afghan gov’t is involved in deliberate actions to change from a tribal to a civic society.
I don’t see this happening in Iraq – and my concern is that the ME is using the US, to carry out the ‘policing work’…while it simply replaces the old tribe, with a new one.
I think that the US has to be very public about what Iraq should do; Iraq must be public about not simply rejecting terrorism, but rejecting tribalism, it must insist that all its people are civic not tribal citizens; it must develop the majority of them as middle class. I don’t get any sense that it is doing this or has such an agenda.
The US- and the world – should be very public about the requirement for a civic society and a middle class in the ME. This is what ought to be focused on – talked about, repeated again and again. Made a priority. That is the only solution to Islamic fascism – a robust middle class.
I have always been in favour of the Iraq War, and of Bush’s agenda of democracy in the ME. It was, in my view, exactly right. But, my concern is that it has not simply stalled, – and after all, such a change doesn’t take place rapidly but it will take years ..but my concern is that the US military is being used by Iraq and the ME, to inhibit the emergence of democracy..and simply enable the continuance of tribalism. And tribalism is the root cause of Islamic fascism.
So- the US can’t permit itself to be used to regress; that’s why I’m saying that it should leave – and the ME must stand up, itself, and take the steps to move into a civic mode.
The real interesting news and all we get from them is SPECKLED MONKEYS FOUND IN SOUTH AMERICAN JUNGLE PROOF OF DARWINS THEORY
What I find interesting is that the US caught this guy several months ago and we have only, just now, found out about this.
The US gov’t and Dubya are getting pretty good at handling this media rigmarole – and adapting to media blather – just as they are getting pretty good at analyzing and adapting strategies to bring the ME into the 21st century.
Iraq and Afghanistan are democracies now. It takes time for them to develop and we need to have the patience to help that happen and we need to have the guts to support them.
What is the root cause of Islamic fascism?
Where have I heard the “root cause” phrase before?
Sounds like the leftist theme that society is to blame for a criminal’s misbehaviour.
ol hoss – don’t be silly; because a phrase is used in Situation A, where it refers to false assmuptions, and in Situation B – does not mean that the assumptions in situation B are false.
There ARE ‘root causes’ (for want of a different phrase) to Islamic fascism. Or, are you going to imply that there are no basic causes and that Islamic fascism is a purely random phenomenon?
ET
That hole you dug for yourself is getting deeper. Your statements about what Iraqis MUST do are hilarious and sound like they were produced by some desk jockey at the U.N.
“The US- and the world – should be very public about the requirement for a civic society and a middle class in the ME. This is what ought to be focused on – talked about, repeated again and again. Made a priority. That is the only solution to Islamic fascism – a robust middle class.”
Peace in Iraq won’t come from telling Iraqis what they must do. Peace will only come when enough of the killers are killed that the rest give up. The opportunity to choose a civic society, as you call it, is severely curtailed when your nation is not safe from these killers, who strike daily at your fellow citizens as they attempt to just go about their business.
Despite all the violence the Iraqi government has not imploded. They are still trying to carry out their mandate but that’s not good enough for you. In your mind democratic progress “seems to have stalled” and so the project should be abandoned -and you are naive if you think it won’t be if America leaves prematurely. Real support for the project -killing the killers who are determined the project won’t go forward (Sunni insurgents and al Qaeda)is to be abandoned because the pace of progress isn’t fast enough for you.
You want the one entity that can give the Iraqis the security to continue with their nascent democracy to join all of the “civilized nations” of the world and shout over the fence as al Qaeda continues their campaign: “hey, you there, stop that, cut it out, sheesh you people really ought to develop a civic society. In fact I insist upon it.”
Your statement that America should leave “soon” is revealing. Once America announces its intention to leave a moment before the job is finished it has lost and it is immoral for any soldier to be sacrificed for a cause his nation has announced is lost.
It’s clear that you don’t understand the role al Qaeda is playing in this conflict, nor have you given any thought to what victory in Iraq for al Qaeda-defined as driving out the infidels- will meann to the fortunes of al Qaeda -in Iraq, in the world and in Afghanistan (they’ll be going back when relieved of their mission in Iraq).
Your lengthy comments completely avoid discussion of what is likely to happen to and in Iraq if the U.S. leaves prematurely:at best, a real civil war; at worst a regional war. Nor have you contemplated the immorality of America intervening in the affairs of Iraq and giving false hope to Iraqi democrats only to abandon them even as Iraqis have taken the lead in the fight and America’s leading counterinsurgency expert says he needs another six months before he knows whether his counterinsurgency strategy will work.
Your theory that the cause of the problem is tribalism is fundamentally flawed. There is a reason why we call the enemy Islamofascists not Tribalfascists. It’s the hijacking of the religion, STUPID.
The fight to restore peace to Anbar is being led by Sunni tribes working with the Americans. These tribes didn’t like al Qaeda telling them how they should live their lives.
I take it you don’t realize Iraqi Kurdistan is also composed mainly of tribes. They have embraced the peace and progress afforded to them by America’s intervention.
Nor are you apparently aware that the population of Afganistan is also composed mainly of tribes. What are the differences between these tribes and the tribes of Iraq? I can tell you one difference. Afstan has a population of 31 million as compared with Iraq’s 27.4 million. Afstan’s army was 30,000 (as of May 2006-and allegedly increasing by 1,000 per month). Iraq’s army is about 175,000. You want to abandon Iraq because you claim they haven’t stood up but you want to stay in a country, with less strategic significance, which has stood up even less.
Your statement that Islamic extremism has been driven back into the ME is risible. Islamic extremism is a world wide phenomenon.
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terry – you and I will continue to disagree.
You have absolutely no understanding of the nature of tribalism. Nor do you understand what is meant by a society organized within tribalism and a society organized within a civic mode. That’s a very serious flaw in your argument.
Nor do you understand the causes of Islamic fascism – which is tribalism as a political mode of organization. You say that ‘it’s the hijacking of the religion’. You fail, however, to explain exactly WHY that religion has been hijacked. Why? Because of tribalism.
I’m not going to insult you, as you do me, and call you STUPID. I’m saying that you simply don’t understand these terms.
Tribalism as a political mode has NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING to do with people who define themselves as ‘tribes’ or ‘ethnicities’. Your examples have absolutely no relevance. You simply don’t understand how a tribal political system is organized as differentiated from a civic political system – and how the former is dysfunctional in a large and industrial population. It is that dysfunctionality that has led to Islamic fascism.
Islamic fascism is not due to the religion but to tribalism as a political mode. The religion, in itself, supports a tribal political mode, but, the movement into fascism isn’t caused by the religion, but by the society’s massive increase in population and its change from a peasant agriculturalism to an industrial economy. These two enormous changes were not dealt with by the society adapting and switching from a tribal political mode to a civic one. That’s the cause of the fascism.
You don’t understand this – that vital relation between a population size, an economy, and its political mode.
I didn’t say that Islamic extremism has been driven back into the ME. Please don’t make false claims about what I said.
I said, many times, that the violent actions of Islamic fascism have been driven back into the ME. I stand by that. You are not differentiating between the ideology of Islamic fascism and the terrorist actions supported by Islamic fascism.
Yes, the US and the other nations have the right to confront the Iraqi government and state that they have to empower a middle class and a civic political infrastructure. The freedom that the US has brought to Iraq, the loss of US lives, the loss of Iraqi lives, gives them that privilege and that duty.
I’m not saying that the US should leave today, but, this or next year – unless, unless, the Iraqi gov’t takes strong measures to establish that middle class of civic citizens.
As for the other Arab nations, they have no desire for Iran to move in and take over Iraq – and possibly, them. They have to stand up and reject Iran’s actions in Iraq; after all, it is Iran behind the fighting in Iraq.
When will ‘the job be finished’? When there is a majority in Iraq who are middle class civic citizens. That is a requirement that goes beyond just ‘killing all the Al Qaeda’ (an irrational and impossible task if tribalism continues as a political mode).
Or, are you going to imply that there are no basic causes and that Islamic fascism is a purely random phenomenon?
Criminals are dealt with by force, not philosphising about “root causes”.
“I’m not saying that the US should leave today, but, this or next year – unless, unless, the Iraqi gov’t takes strong measures to establish that middle class of civic citizens.”
After all of the sacrifice all this talk about withdrawal before the effect of the counterinsurgency strategy being implemented by America’s foremost expert on the subject is known is grossly irresponsible and, sorry ET, stupid.
I know why the Democrats are doing it but your motivation is not so apparent. Tired of being beaten up in the faculty room?
Did you know nothing about tribal-induced Islamofascism before you supported all of this waste of life?
Your comments about the world telling Iraqis what they must do is childish and absurd. The Iraqis can’t do anything until they get rid of al Qaeda. And if they can’t do that with America’s help, how are they going to do it without it?
Governments don’t establish a middle class. They establish conditions in which a middle class can create itself. One of those conditions is the ability to debate, engage in industry and commerce and do all the things we consider part of daily life without fear of being blown up.
ET, you have it exactly backwards. There will be very limited democratic progress without security, not the other way around.