Did Mark Holland mislead the House? And why did the LPC edit their website?
The Iranian Canadian Community Centre ;
a group categorized as an animal protection agency, according to documents — received a $200,000 grant on March 27, 2006, only three weeks after incorporating as a charity.
The group’s address is listed as the law office of David Farmani, a director of the charity who is also president of the Richmond Hill Liberal riding association with longstanding connections to the party. Another director is Gholam Reza Moridi, the riding’s Liberal candidate in the upcoming election.
“He was probably wetting his pants,” said Ramey, who balanced on her walking stick as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun.
Crazy campuses in Victor Davis Hanson’s day.
Canada joins anti-Kyoto bloc.
Add yours to the comments.
While we are clearing up misconceptions about atheism, maybe I can address a misconception about Christian theology.
Christian theology (as distinct from a lot of messages from the pulpit) has been powerfully affected by science, by Naziism, and by Nietsche’s idea that God is dead.
This is all too much to go into.
Suffice it to say that modern theology with Karl Barth, Paul Tillich, and in particular Dietrich Bonhoeffer has moved in a direction of “religion-less Christianity.”
Many theologians have been influenced by the fact that a bunch of good Lutherans could be involved with Naziism.
Dietrich Bonhoeffer was an enormously famous theologian who could have easily sat World War II out in Britain or the US. However, his Christian integrity demanded that he stay in Germany and actively conspire against Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party.
As a consequence of this, Bonhoeffer was imprisoned by the Nazis and executed. He never once relaxed the principles on which he stood, and he died in complete faith in God and his actions.
He was appalled at the apparent breakdown of humanity’s moral and spiritual nature, and it led him to believe that the aspect of other-worldliness of the church was outdated and had been superceded by a humanity that had come of age.
For Bonhoeffer, as well as Tillich, Christianity was essentially a cultural expression, and he advocated a policy of Christian worldliness.
He wanted to create a theology that could be lived and required an authentic response to being and God, and caring for the world, and participating in God’s suffering. This was not meant to be anti-church or a rejection of chuch, rather that the most important part of Christianity is the manifestation of a Christian orientation in participating in the world.
So my point is that a lot of critics of Christianity and the Judeo-Christian tradition do so without a knowledge of what great Christian thinkers are considering and advocating.
Naturally, these ideas are rarely discussed in the context of ordinary Christian worship.
I once asked a university professor who was also ordained why we had never heard of the Synoptic Gospels in church, and he replied, “Most pastors would be afraid they’d get fired.”
And so many of the most important ideas in Christendom are not discussed in a popular context.
vitruvius, the logophile!! However, I completely agree that it does indeed matter more on whether we agree on matters of moral judgment than on how or why we so agree.
But, many point out that it is fundamentally impossible for an atheist to have any moral judgment! That’s my point..
robert in calgary- I disagree with your equating atheism with secular humanism and with your comment that atheism substitutes an ‘I am god’ for ‘pray to god’. Genuine atheism does not include such hubris, such arrogance, to say that ‘I am god’. Never. The individual is merely a part of Natural Reason. That’s all – and that’s a humble small part.
As for Christianity – I’ve commented before on my analysis of the reasons for its appearance and spread (to enable a collaborative settled agricultural economy where previously isolate tribes would collaborate) – as opposed to the isolation of Judaism, and,
Islam developed after Christianity as a militant method to retain pastoral nomadic control of lands being gradually developed within the agricultural economy. Islam is an ideology based around a pastoral nomadic economy and its fallow lands were being swalloed up by the rise of settled agricultural economy.
Laws used include:1955 Children and Young Persons Act – To search for materials used to produce horror comics.
Find quango. The UK gov’t has a quango website.
Next: The CO2 Police; COPPS, er COOPPS, er Sheila.
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[UK] 266 ways the Government can enter your house – and you can’t stop them
Daily Mail ^ | 21 April 2007 | Mark Nichol
It could be a statistic straight from George Orwell’s chilling masterpiece 1984. State officials have 266 justifications to enter your home. Alas, the figure is not a figment of Orwell’s imagination but the reality of Britain in 2007. Our table shows some of the many powers today,s army of health and safety inspectors, bailiffs, Customs officers, quango officials and policemen can use to gain entry to your property. A study by the Centre for Policy Studies found that 25 new statutory powers to enter private properties had arisen since 2000, adding to the 120 granted legislative approval in the Eighties…-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821386/posts
ET,
It’s secular humanism specifically that I think has the “I am God” approach.
It just seems to me, in the last few years, I’ve seen atheists presenting themselves publicly as secular humanists.
(although with a quick search, I see some online sources also say secular humanism and atheism are not the same…but….doesn’t a secular humanist have a belief that there is no God? They’re just trying to be a sexier version of atheist)
For instance, here in Calgary, you can count on the same “secular humanist” to be seeking publicity over his dislike of Nativity scenes at city hall and the such.
The intersection of the set containing the pantheon of philosophy and the set containing the pantheon of behaviour is a fractal space. The same patterns keep appearing, yet the individuals are never the same.
Turkish media report torture of Christian murder victims
CNS News ^ | April 20, 2007
Three Christian murder victims were brutally tortured for hours before their death, Turkish media reports reveal. The Islamic zealots who attacked a Christian publishing house in the city of Malatya on April 18 prolonged the suffering of their victims by stabbing them repeatedly with dull knives, the media report. A Sabah newspaper story notes that one victim, the German missionary Tilman Geske, suffered 156 knife wounds. An AsiaNews correspondent notes that the Turkish media have provided gruesome details of the crime, but still shy away from mentioning the motivation of the killers, who were apparently influenced by a vitriolic anti-Christian…-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821372/posts
Maz2, does your list include the lightbulb police of the future?
It was a dark and stormy night. As Red-Green sat at his qwerty, on the 3rd floor of his Watch Tower, pecking and blogging in the dark, his quango beeper sounded an alarm. It’s the Watt police, he said to Igor. Turn on the fluorescents, Igor! Quickly. …-
You too can write like a loony conspiracy theorist!
Welcome to the THB Moonbat Writing Tutorial, M1. In this first lesson we will go over they style and content guidelines for writing like a true left-wing Blogger. You only need to learn a few simple rules and you can be up and howling at the moon like all your buddies!
Please read each rule carefully and complete the Sample Assignments below.
1. Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
Emotion is a perfectly acceptable alternative to reason. In fact, in most cases it’s preferable, because you don’t need to support emotion with facts. It does not matter if you make sense, since you probably won’t. Here is a list of acceptable emotions:
Anger.
Acrimony.
Choler.
Enmity.
Fury.
Hatred.
Indignation.
Outrage.
Petulance.
Pique.
Umbrage.
Vexation.
Example: “”You and the smarmy pundits in your pocket, who bathe in the moisture of your soiled and bloodstained underwear can take that noise and shove it!” – Sean Penn.
Sample Assignment 3. Fill in the appropriate words in the blanks provided: “Whenever I think of George Bush it makes me so _____ and ___ an __ a … …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821399/posts
“A federal private member’s bill that would grant the government new powers while imposing restrictions and penalties on internet users and operators is off base, internet experts say.
Joy Smith, a Conservative MP representing Kildonan-St. Paul, on Thursday introduced her proposed clean internet act, or Bill C-427, for first reading in Parliament.
The bill’s full name is: “An act to prevent the use of the internet to distribute child pornography, material that advocates, promotes or incites racial hatred, and material that portrays or promotes violence against women.”
The bill’s provisions would grant the industry minister special powers to search data as well as the ability to order an internet service provider to block access to content deemed inappropriate.”
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/04/20/tech-cleaninternetact-20070420.html
A few points:
-Child porn is already illegal.
-Promoting or inciting racial hatred is already illegal.
-It is implied that protraying promoting violence against men is OK, but not women. Consider the implications: posting a video of two men fighting on youtube would be legal, but a posting a video of two women fighting would be illegal.
See also Marlene Jennings C-416:
Liberals Try To Resuscitate Big Brother Plan for the Internet
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/1828/159/
Greg said: “And if God is all-powerful, then God has the ability to stop those horrible events. ”
many he does prevent…but these aborted attempts are between the goblin and his maker…and certainly will never grace the pages of the blood soaked MSM.
ET said “I do accept the idea of a powerful agental networked communal physical force.
Now- calm down – this force is not reductionist materialism.”…”The error that many people are making is that they separate Mind and Matter,…”
…and the error that many people make is separating intelligence and personality from this networked communal force.
We have evidence of restricted networking agents with personality and intelligence, that create and love – we call them “people”. The leap is not so great…
The alternative is either pantheism, which fails the test of logical coherence, or futility, which fails the test of experience.
I agree with you that organization is not random, nor accidental, but is a process of reason. But this does not just happen. It cannot. The informational interactions require generation, support, interaction (Parenthetically, this is why God is a trinity, explains providence, and asserts love).
ET, you have no mechanism to drive the realization of your communal physical force. The successive symmetry breaking that unfolds the richness of existence has no answer in your philosophy.
Could God stop all these awful events, Yes he could, if He was allowed in schools. Governments have banned Him so He stays away.
Only allah is allowed in schools, cafeterias, bathrooms, gyms etc. And, if you don’t follow allah, you can’t go in.
Now the liberals not only want us to lose in Afgan, they want us to lose in world Hockey, as they are trying to ban a player for some supposed remark made 2 yrs ago. Codere should be asked to resign over his marching with the hezzies.
IF Dion and Layton are at Vimy this weekend it’s a brazen photo op, nothing more. They’ll also get one hell of a lot more coverage than the main event did featuring our Prime Minister and Queen.
There was nothing to stop them from attending the re-dedication, they were/are playing juvenile politics and in all the wrong places.
God gives us a choice,reject evil and work to destroy it or continue to accept evil and the consequences. Life is quite simple really.
“Joe Clark removed WSO from 1988 boycott list
Times Colonist”
Red Tory Joe Who: Soft on terrorism.
WSO = World Sikh Organization is at war with the Indian (Hindu) government.
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More MPs linked to plot
NEW DELHI — An Indian MP’s assistant has accused two more federal lawmakers of links to a people-smuggling plot that saw his boss arrested for using family passports to try and fly a woman and a boy to Canada, reports said yesterday.
Hindu nationalist MP Babubhai Katara was arrested Wednesday at New Delhi’s Indira Gandhi International Airport along with the woman and teenager minutes before the trio were to board a Toronto-bound Air India flight. …-
(national newswatch)
Liberals Blame Passport Lines On Tory Foul-Up
The Conservative government has managed the flood of passport applications “totally incompetently,” says Ujjal Dosanjh
(national newswatch)
jmorrison – your statement could also be made by a jihadist.
tenebris – actually, the forces of symmetry and asymmetry are collaborative forces; the one cannot exist without the other. To have only one, either one, would result in entropic dissipation and ‘heat-death’. Dark energy and dark matter provide both future-oriented energy and symmetry inducement forces against the diverse specificity of observable matter.
The main reason, for why I am an atheist is that I feel organized religions, particularly Islam, removes the responsibility of the individual for his/her actions and put it on some mythical god. The threats that begin as children that god will punish you if your bad and if you’re good and obey these rules you will go to heaven. Religion is about power, each major one and its myriad sects claim ours is the best and the only true path to god.
An invisible god has always been the advertisors dream. You can make it say whatever you want, interpret what is has supposed to have said, claim to be its only voice and it never responds to refute your claims.
Religion requires conformity. When it is weakened the ability of the individual to reason and express their thoughts is strengthened, which has led to our freedom of western civilization. The downside of this is the switching of belief in a god to belief in the state. Leftist intellectuals are the new priests. Once again responsiblity for one’s actions are being removed.
As Islam is in the forefront now we are getting an view of religion that most of us have never seen before. The most fiendish and unimaginable butchery committed in the name of religion and excused and accepted by that religion is frightening to say the least. As ET and others have so eloquently expressed many times individualism and intellectual freedom will disappear into this dead zone of absence of humanity.
Is this gun control —- or not
Calgary Herald/Fri,13th/page B6
Shooting “victim” – wounded twice – jailed
Hieu Van Le – Result of a shooting “Incident” (between “group” members) Summer/06.
The “victim”:
Was carrying a concealed handgun
Handgun – a .40 Cal semi-automatic pistol(Restricted or Prohibited not stated)
The weapon was loaded
He fired it (no mention of times) in self-defense
He was in violation of Vancouver probation orders (no cell phone, failure to report)
From all of this he was charged with
Improper storage of a firearm
Possessing a handgun with no license(surprise)
(These are the most common charges against the good guys)
Carrying a firearm
Two breeches of probation
Of course he plead guilty – pretty minor compared to all that could have happened.
Judge Catherine Skene – says “deterrence” is the key. Joint counsel submission asked for 12-18 months LESS time for pleading guilty, and spending one month in custody.
Grand total – 8.5 months in jail and 3.5 – 9.5 months for copping a guilty plea.
Sooo parole in 4.25 months and this is a deterrent. A freaking joke, and it is the bad guys who are laughing.
Warning: Islam is a destroyer of peoples and nations.
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Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model
islam watch
I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend. Malmö is Sweden’s third largest city and by far the worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an Arab girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt almost like an Arab city.
Native Swedes have been moving away from the city for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too different from the non-Muslims in some regions of the Philippines, southern Thailand or Kashmir in India, or for that matter Christian Serbs in Kosovo.
Native Swedes have thus been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people’s history and culture.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
This is a government that knows perfectly well that their people will become a minority in their own country, yet is doing nothing to stop this. On the contrary. Pierre Schori, Minister for immigration, during a parliamentary debate in 1997 said that: “Racism and xenophobia should be banned and chased [away],” and that one should not accept “excuses, such as that there were flaws in the immigration and refugee policies.”
In other words: It should be viewed as a crime for the native population not to assist in wiping themselves out. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821598/posts
Environmental pornography is hawked/sold/given away by enviro paedophiles. Suzuki, and his ilk, are included here.
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Kids Fear Global Warming More Than Terrorism, Car Crashes, and Cancer
“BrainPOP, a Web-based educational company with more than 600 animated shorts on topics ranging from allergies to word problems, has produced numerous movies about the environment. In honor of Earth Day, BrainPOP is making 14 of its environment-related shorts, including “Global Warming” and the new “Humans and the Environment,” available for free for the months of April and May. To see the special Earth Day section, users can go to http://www.brainpop.com/earthday.”
Kids Fear Global Warming More Than Terrorism, Car Crashes, and Cancer, According to National Earth Day Survey
NEW YORK, April 20 /PRNewswire/ — While recent polls show that American adults are most concerned about the war in Iraq, terrorism, and healthcare, a survey of more than 1,000 middle school students across the country found that kids fear global warming more than any of these issues. The survey was conducted by BrainPOP, a New York based educational provider.
Some of the most intriguing findings from the BrainPOP global warming survey include:
— Nearly 60 percent of children said they feared global warming and environmental disasters-such as hurricanes, tornados and flooding-more than terrorism, car crashes, and even cancer (22.3 percent feared terrorism most; 14.6 percent cancer; 5.9 percent car crashes). …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821592/posts
Gun ban/control makes you feel safe?
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“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms; disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes; Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”
“The recent trend of more gun control goes against Beccaria’s idea about citizens’ right to bear arms. In writing about the utility of gun control, he writes, ” false is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousands real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience’ that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes” (Beccaria, pg. 87-88).”
Cesare Beccaria (1738-1794)
http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/crimtheory/beccaria.htm
Blair Who?, a socialist, and his cadres, were running a Ponzi scheme/pyramid scheme.
Socialists: everywhere, at all times: Thieves, robbers, scammers, as in Adscam Chretien-Martin-Citoyen Dion, aka Canadian Liberal-socialists.
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Blair Set to Quit on May 9
Sunday Mail ^ | April 22, 2007 | Sunday Mail
TONY BLAIR will leave Downing Street before a decision is taken on charges in the cash for honours affair. The Prime Minister was yesterday said to be preparing to stand down on May 9. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821624/posts
Sharia Law: Islam’s enforcers; Trial by Death.
Human Rights Tribunals/councils, etc., is the Sharia Law of the secular humanist cult/religion of death, know as socialism-left liberalism.
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Pittsburgh Islamic Leader: Ayaan Hirsi Ali Should Be Killed
When ex-Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali appeared at the University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown, Muslim groups tried to have her speech shut down. And they made it clear that if they had the power, and US law were written according to shari’a, Hirsi Ali would not simply be prohibited from speaking.
According to the president of the Johnstown Islamic Center, Imam Fouad ElBayly, she’d be dead.
And in a perfect example of the bizarre disconnect between reality and the shiny happy multicultural world of the media, the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review calls this a “debate on religious freedom.”
This isn’t in Afghanistan. It’s in Pittsburgh.
Islamic leaders tried to block the lecture, …-
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=25214_Pittsburgh_Islamic_Leader-_Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali_Should_Be_Killed&only
Sheila the Copps, aka The Sealer, said this in her colossal ignorance. Or, is she waging a disinformation campaign on behalf of Kyoto Dion?
Quote:
“This week, we witnessed the perverse effects of climate change when a hundred sealing boats were trapped in an early ice breakup off the cost of Newfoundland. Who pays for those losses?” …-
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Copps_Sheila/2007/04/22/4101889.html
John Crosbie, a Newfie, propositioned this Liberal moonbat with this:
“”Pass the tequila, Sheila, lay down and love me again.”
Say goodnight, Sheila.
Goodnight, Sheila.
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An honourable mention to Kate:
“According to the Canadian blogger Kate MacMillan, a caller to her local radio station went further and said she was teaching her children to ”fear guns.”
http://www.suntimes.com/news/steyn/351710,CST-EDT-STEYN22.article
Religions are man made.
The purpose is noble, to provide guidelines for positive peaceful community living.
Man made, means full of errors, so there are justified grounds for dissent, ergo, many split off religions.
So I personally can*t say I*m saved, even though a large [Billy Graham style], group would like that.
So I do the odd bit of good and help someone from time to time. It just feels good. I*m selfish.
Long ago I padded an expense account on occasion but I sure knew it was wrong.
Felt like a schmuck, so just try to avoid the temptation going forward.
There could be and likely is a super entity but I am in the dark about that, much as ants are in the dark about the the human thinking souls walking around above them.
Not a very complex concept of religion. No need for any *university* wording.
The best, most reliable designs for things are the simple ones. = TG
Great Britain: ‘Envirocrime’ snoops paid £30,000 just to check your rubbish
[…]
Commenter says:
Please say a prayer for our dear British Friends, whose Government has brought so much evil down upon them. They have turned over their rights of effective self-defense to the Government, and as a result violent crime is skyrocketing. Immigration is out of control, with the result being a growing Islamofascist element in their communities. And now, they will be heavily fined if they put their trash out at the wrong time or at a slightly incorrect location. Their streets are being patrolled by breathtakingly overpaid snoops who would have made Himmler proud in their dedication to the micromanagement of what seems to be virtually every aspect of life.
Hopefully the people will one day set things right, as they deserve far better than this. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821646/posts
Also, herein posted is a full-colour pic of “Gaia”. But, green is not there. Strange? Pink, red, white, etc.
YAY! for the good guys!
THAT businessman John Catsimatidis, who is running for mayor of New York, has come out in support of a bill protecting citizens who report possible terrorist-related activities.
In November 2006, passengers and the flight crew aboard a U.S. Airways flight notified authorities that six Muslim imams were acting suspiciously, praying loudly before boarding, talking about Saddam Hussein and moving between seats. The clerics were removed from the flight.
Last month the clerics filed suit against the airline and unnamed passengers who reported their activity, claiming they were targeted because of their religion and ethnicity.
Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., has introduced legislation giving legal protection to citizens who report suspicious activity. It has already passed the House.
Catsimatidis, billionaire chairman of the Red Apple Group — a private company with holdings that include the Gristedes supermarket chain — took out a full-page ad in Friday’s New York Post supporting King’s measure, calling the imams’ suit “a lawsuit that threatens our security.”
He called on the U.S. Senate to pass King’s bill, and urged the New York City Council to introduce a resolution in support of the bill.
The ad could boost Catsimatidis’ visibility as a mayoral candidate.
======= NewsMax
Good news is always a treat. = TG
Au contraire to previous rumour, Citoyen MayDion and Taliban Jack-NDP are not going to Vimy; they feared sequestration by PM Harper and have decided to remain carbon neutral. MayDion is a non-voter now. Furthermore, MayDion is a mangeur de hotdog. …-
(national newswatch)
Sarkozy And Royal Top Official Exit Polls
Conservative Nicolas Sarkozy and Socialst Segolene Royal are to contest a French presidential run-off after topping the official exit poll.
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Dion Agrees To Explore Electoral Reforms
Liberal Leader Stephane Dion has agreed to explore reforms to Canada’s electoral system as part of his non-compete agreement* with Green Leader Elizabeth May. …-
*Non-compete agreements, the use or misuse of which, are the instruments whereby Lord Conrad Black has almost been railroaded by the envy/vengeance of powerful enemies, e.g., Liberal AdScam Chretien.
If anyone’s reading this thread at this point:
I encourage readers to weigh in on a Harper vs. Suzuki poll at Telus, posted at Plattytalk on the Blogging Tories list. I got caught in the filter just now, otherwise I’d post the link to the poll. Check out Plattytalk at Blogging Tories or on his/her own Blog.
Right now, they’re neck in neck, with responders giving Suzuki a slight edge: 49% for Harper’s view of the environment to Suzuki’s 51%.
550,000,000 `/. 62,000,000 = ? mass extinctions. Yup, we’re due for another one; maybe overdue? Not by GW/CC/CO2, however. It’s CR.
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Ancient Mass Extinctions Caused by Cosmic Radiation, Scientists Say
Cosmic rays produced at the edge of our galaxy have devastated life on Earth every 62 million years, researchers say.
The finding suggests that biodiversity has been strongly influenced by the motion of the solar system through the Milky Way and of the galaxy’s movement through intergalactic space.
Mikhail Medvedev and Adrian Melott, both of the University of Kansas, presented their new theory at a meeting of the American Physical Society earlier this month.
The theory offers the first explanation for a mysterious pattern previously noted in the fossil record.
“There are 62-million-year ups and downs in the number of marine animals over the last 550 million years,” Melott said.
Until now, however, even the scientists who first discovered the cyclical pattern had not been able to explain it. (Read related story: “Mystery Undersea Extinction Cycle Discovered” [March 9, 2005].)
A number of possible explanations had been considered—including volcanic activity, comet impacts, and changes in sea level—but none could account for the phenomenon’s regularity.
The Kansas researchers discovered that high rates of extinction in the cycle coincide almost perfectly with periodic “excursions” of the solar system outside the central plane of the Milky Way galaxy.
“Excursions to galactic north coincide with drops in biodiversity,” Melott said.
During these periods, which include some of the largest mass extinctions known from the fossil record, Earth is bombarded with high levels of cosmic radiation. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1821754/posts
Why are any online polls re ghg, carbon tax, who will you vote for, and many others, never talked about by the media running them. Even ds should know his poll went bad.
I think a majority for PMSH is revealed by the polls and the msm is afraid to tell us. In polls I have been called on I always say I will vote green. Bet I’m not the only one lying.
Yes, if anyone still checks this old thread, you can find a good horizontal bar chart for the milage of the leading six hybrids. . .
Prius Escape Accord Hylander Civic Camry Hybrids
and the snazzy Toyota concept car.
at my website. Click the TG below = TG
Tony, Im not impressed with the mileage shown.
There are ordinary cars around that do just as good if not better.
For example, I once had a 97 Buick lesabre that got consistently 50 MPG. (3.8 v-6).
Wow! I had that same engine in an Oldsmobile Regal 98 and while it was an excellent engine it didn*t get quite that efficiency. = TG
BTW these results are lower than EPA. In other words, they are more *real world results*.= TG