A fine rant by Charles Adler on NBC’s newest reality TV programming.
(Text version here).
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Amen!
Glenn Beck said much the same thing this past week. He said that the MSM was much at fault for these types of rampage killings. They keep turning to a new story theme to keep up public interest. A new example was flocking to the Korean community and enticing them to express guilt and shame to the microphone.
The MSM also plays a more damaging role. They give the mandarins in charge dozens of avenues to avoid making the decisions that will stop the next copycat from trying to up the anti.
We just had a lockdown in the school down the block and the students were sent home. I walked past two schools on my afternoon stroll and saw no evidence of increased security. I know; maybe I’m being a bit over expectant but we also had the Dawson wake-up call. How many will it take?
I think that this situation is perhaps a little bit trickier than it may appear at first glance. On the one hand, we have the problem of the sensationalizing of if it bleeds it leads stories, and the risk of inciting imitators, yet on the other hand we have freedom of speech and the press, and the value that is accrued from case studies of the details of situations like this. I’m not sure I’d rather not know, or worse, be prevented from knowing by some agendized content-approving bureaucracy.
Unfortunately, I don’t have a solution to the dilemmas exposed by this situation. Perhaps, over the next few centuries, humans will figure it out. Or perhaps not, as we haven’t for the last few millennia.
I strongly agree with Charles Adler on this one. It will almost ensure that copycats will try and gain public exposure and perceived “fame” when they see the widespread and irresponsible coverage given to these sick tapes.
I strongly agree with Charles Adler on this one. It will almost ensure that copycats will try and gain public exposure and perceived “fame” when they see the widespread and irresponsible coverage given to these sick tapes.
I think NBC playing the killer’s rants he sent to them in between killings was a testament to the truth in Adler’s rant….and we all can expect their playing this madman’s game of fame and noteriety to be watched and noted by the NEXT killer who wants to make public statements with mass murder.
This schmuck even alluded to how he idolized the Columbine killers…and obviously the noteriety the MSM gave them.
MSM has got to plead guity to Adler’s charges…they have blood on their hands for propagagting the killers dememnted messaging….the next killer sees that this is a media outlet to broadcast his mad rants.
The killer mailed his tape to NBC, when they broadcast it they became his partner in infamy.
Acts such as this or terrorist acts are local tragedies until they are broadcast worldwide by the media. Giving killers the publicity that they crave, encourages others to do the same.
News from U of S late this afternoon a lone gunman has been seen brandishing a gun around campus in army fatigues and the entire campus is in lockdown. Scary situation, developing. Talk about copycats.
News from U of S late this afternoon a lone gunman has been seen brandishing a gun around campus in army fatigues and the entire campus is in lockdown. Scary situation, developing. Talk about copycats.
All The same I’d rather know the story and filter it out for myself, no censorship for me thankyou.
and about inspiring other crazies to do the same, if that true and its enough to push them over the edge, it speaks to larger issues of our society as a whole. The media aren’t making this problem (directly) they are just showcasing how crazy it is today. The media is both a product and producer of that craziness. More conservatives less liberals is the only way to solve this problem! (retrace and find back where we came from or all bets are off)
It is also along the same lines in how MSM media treat the killers. It is sad I know the names Kle**** and Har*** and Kimv******.
And not one victim.
Freedom of speech, yes. report the story, release the name of course. But I feel they should(and I admit, are doing a fair job on this story-minus the tapes)refer to it as the events at VT or the VT incident. IMHO.
It seems the bar is set ever higher. Now the next screwed up individual will try to kill more, leave a bigger hole, and try to be imortalized even larger than those previous.
And the media gives the story so much attention two things happen.
1 sets the bar
2 Allows people to learn from others mistakes.
The obvious answer is to enforce a substantial delay on the publication of such material; a delay of sufficient duration that the original crime has long since vanished from the news cycle. I’d say from 30 to 90 days.
I agree that analysis of this material could possibly shed some light on the mindset of the perpetrator, and for this reason it shouldn’t be censored permanently.
A delay would enforce a disconnect between the shock of the crime and the publication of the perpetrator’s screed, and deny the perp the platform he seeks.
For what it’s worth, I believe that in crimes of this nature, that the perpetrator, whether he dies by his own hand, or by police or citizen action, should be denied any sort of civilized burial or funeral. Cremate the bastard, and flush the ashes down the toilet. No point in creating a shrine for other sick creeps to visit. Make them an un-person in the old Soviet style. This, in itself, might constitute some sort of deterrent to other would-be perps.
Jared, there is a difference between censoring something and trying to sensationalize a story.Putting the crazed killer’s picture on the front page bigger than life or playing his tape after every commercial break as a news flash is a lot different than a story giving details of what he said and did an maybe a regular sized picture on the inside pages with a victim’s picture or two and a story to balance it out. Not everyone is like you and can tell the difference between news and hype.
Hugh Hewitt had numerous guests on his show talking about this topic. Mark Steyn …
HH: Should NBC have shown that video?
MS: Well, I think there’s a difference between something that just happens to turn up, and something that is in fact mailed to the media as the final act in the killer’s drama. So in other words, NBC is fulfilling the killer’s last request. That’s disgusting. That’s disgusting, because in effect, you have colluded in this kind of show of slaughter that he’s concocted, and I think that’s disgusting for NBC.
HH: Last night, as I drove home from a book signing, I was listening to a psychiatrist at NYU, Dr. Welner, who will be on Larry King tonight, and we hope to have him on tomorrow, he was apoplectic, saying that this is playing right into this fevered, crazy, insane mind of which there are many in America, by giving them a blueprint on how to get to their glorification. And I immediately thought of the rule of law firm compensation, that which gets rewarded, gets repeated, Mark Steyn.
MS: Yes, and I think we have to understand the one reason why mass murder, random mass murder by crazy guys is a phenomenon of our time, is because mass media gives you the opportunity to enlarge the act. You know, there will always be people who go crazy and kill a couple of people around them. But one reason why a guy like this decides he’s going to go somewhere and kill dozens of people is because he knows that he can then access a national stage, and an international stage. He’s on the front page of newspapers all over the world. And I think in a sense, to make a crazy guy, to upgrade him from kind of small town burlesque to planetary wide superstar, which is what NBC is colluding in here, I think is terrible. I mean, in a sense, they’ve upgraded the show business aspect of the crime, and that is disgraceful. http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=75987679-e200-4c0b-ab47-1b2270bea621
— Dr. Michael Welner, forensic psychiatrist
HH: My last question for you, Dr, and take some time to answer this if you would. What should the media do following one of these…I have not played a second of his audio. I hesitate to say his name. I only use it when I have to. And my view is, as we said, as Moses said strike their name from the tablets, what would you advise the media generally, and perhaps the Forensic Panel can come up with something, to do concerning rampage killers and their desire to be known in the aftermath of their violence.
MW: You know what? I appreciate your attitude in not even mentioning his name, or if perhaps you can adopt my suggestion of encouraging people to refer to this as perverted…and first of all, I think that this kind of crime, and the people who carry it out, have to be referred to as perverts specifically because it’s a copycat crime. No one copies a pervert. Nobody copies a sex offender or a rapist. And this is why it sends out a message that even if people feel disaffected, they would be ashamed to entertain these notions, because society reacts to these kinds of crimes the way it would a rape or other kind of sexual assault. I would liken what NBC did to the release of a toxic cloud. Once you release it, if you continue to release it, it compounds the problem. If you allow it to spread and to be accessible, it compounds the problem in access to it. And so what you have to do once the mistake has been made is to simply shut it off in order to contain fallout. And so the answer to a news organization receiving a package is, I would say well, what would you do if somebody mailed you anthrax? Would you open it because of the media’s right to know? Or would you send it to law enforcement authorities, because they have appropriately skilled people who can handle these things. Well, the answer is fairly obvious. This is exactly what this is. It is a psychological warfare that has societal, catastrophic ramifications of some kind of biological agent or radioactive agent. And responsible individuals should recognize what their skills are, and what their skills aren’t. http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=3f64c273-c8e5-4aa5-aae0-213ec33c5612
Gunney99 … et al.
I think you are referring to North Delta High. The dilemma is the son, who has some screws loose, saying that he is going to do a VT after watching almost non-stop 24/7 coverage … vs the mother after watching 24/7 non-stop coverage … and understanding her son is a flake …reporting him.
I don’t know what the answer is … this bird got flushed. The nut or the nuts family … the nut, I suspect, in most cases more persistent than his family.
Giving publicity beyond saying what a wretched sick bastard this creature was is beyond the pale.
There is no benefit to society at any level to look at such a demented creep, ranting from his crazed mind giving excuses for his murderous rampage while everyone is grieving for his victims.
Looks like all schools will have to consider some sort of security plan to guard against mental cases who blame society for their state and drive them to murder.
Let’s enumerate Adler’s sanctimonious errors.
1. In democratic societies the press do not serve law enforcement officials, except in Putin’s Russia and all those terrible, terrible left wing states that scare the shit out of all of you.
2. Equating racist remarks with the publication of a killer’s screed, however ill-adviesed is (sorry) apples and oranges. Strike two Adler.
3.Adler is now asking media networks to self censor. The CBC in Canada is afraid the tapes will create copycats. Ummmm, Cho was a copycat. Adler is afraid that the release of the media has created a cesspool. Ummmmm, it’s already there.
4. Note how Adler actually *predicts* the future, that NBC has actually done what he hast foretold. Interesting that. What a frigging prophet.
What a fraud. Get a life Adler readers. Sanctimony is your only meal here.
What I was referring to in my earlier post is not the reporting of a news story but that they, the MSM, have to turn it in to an extended epic. I think that the old saw: “yelling fire in a crowded theater” comes to mind. There has to be limits on freedom of speech and of the press.
The MSM has to refrain from reporting names in accidental death pending notification of next of kin, and they don’t report bridge jumpers around here as it causes a rush to copycat.
It just seems reasonable to me that they be restricted from profiting from tragedy or from McCarthyism. And I would add that that restriction should be self imposed.
As far as school security is concerned; If we don’t wake up, we are going to be hit by Islamo-terrorists in the most vulnerable of places. Public transportation systems are well protected: there are even security guards in shopping malls for Heavens sake!
I saw a clip of NBC’s Brian Williams defending the decision to air the sicko’s video. I can’t quote him…but, he basically said that it was relevant because it was the centerpiece of a major news story.
I found myself shouting back at the TV, “So how about airing images of those Danish cartoons?”
The ones to realy blame for the VT massacare all those wussietards who support gun control and that stupid GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES. SUE THE BRADY CAMPAIGN
While I agree that airing this video plays into the killers desires and may inspire copycats, I am not willing to prevent the press from playing it. I would hope that they would have the common decency not to, but if they do not, we all have the choice to send them a message and not watch their program.
I find any talk of preventing the media from airing anything very worrisome. What is to stop the govt from preventing anything from being shown “for the good of society”?
Surprised that no one here is praising the CBC for not airing the tapes.
I’m also surprised that no-one is torching Fox for airing the tapes.
Second that. No I’m not surprised.
If lunatic like this wants his exploits aired on television, it’s the last thing that should be done. Let’s be honest, it was done to boost ratings.
Sadly, copycats will be inspired.
Surprised that no one here is praising the CBC for not airing the tapes.
Heh, a network that nobody watches not airing something. Has to be some irony there somewhere.
What they should have done once they took this rabid rodent down was the following: toss him in a dumpster with the rest of the trash along with his tapes and photos and notes, then mix liberally with gasoline and add one lighted match. Serves justice for all.
P.S. if it makes anyone feel better, the names Jeff mentioned in his post are completely unknown (to me, at least).
Its important to understand that for the networks, there is no ethical decision involved in broadcasting anything. What they broadcast is determined entirely by the numbers, and the direct legal consequences impacting their bottom line. NBC only had “reservations” due to negative feedback. The other networks held back upon learning of the negative feedback NBC was experiencing.
There never has been an ethic of significance in either print of broadcast media, ever. Media and its users, whether terrorists, businessmen or governments, have always exploited the synergy that comes from feeding public voyeurism. The CBC’s decision not to air, is about selling the “high road” after NBC got hammered for selling hte “low road”.The media have allowed themselves to become pawns because they’re whores – they’ll satisfy whoever will feed thir habit.
I assume that MSM will be showing all Muslim snuff videos then just to be fair.
I think that NBC had a hand in this further and deeper than we know.
They are in trouble in the ratings department and their reputation has taken a beating.
The question then is WHY did Cho take time out and stand in line to send something to NBC??
Amen!
Glenn Beck said much the same thing this past week. He said that the MSM was much at fault for these types of rampage killings. They keep turning to a new story theme to keep up public interest. A new example was flocking to the Korean community and enticing them to express guilt and shame to the microphone.
The MSM also plays a more damaging role. They give the mandarins in charge dozens of avenues to avoid making the decisions that will stop the next copycat from trying to up the anti.
We just had a lockdown in the school down the block and the students were sent home. I walked past two schools on my afternoon stroll and saw no evidence of increased security. I know; maybe I’m being a bit over expectant but we also had the Dawson wake-up call. How many will it take?
I think that this situation is perhaps a little bit trickier than it may appear at first glance. On the one hand, we have the problem of the sensationalizing of if it bleeds it leads stories, and the risk of inciting imitators, yet on the other hand we have freedom of speech and the press, and the value that is accrued from case studies of the details of situations like this. I’m not sure I’d rather not know, or worse, be prevented from knowing by some agendized content-approving bureaucracy.
Unfortunately, I don’t have a solution to the dilemmas exposed by this situation. Perhaps, over the next few centuries, humans will figure it out. Or perhaps not, as we haven’t for the last few millennia.
I strongly agree with Charles Adler on this one. It will almost ensure that copycats will try and gain public exposure and perceived “fame” when they see the widespread and irresponsible coverage given to these sick tapes.
I strongly agree with Charles Adler on this one. It will almost ensure that copycats will try and gain public exposure and perceived “fame” when they see the widespread and irresponsible coverage given to these sick tapes.
I think NBC playing the killer’s rants he sent to them in between killings was a testament to the truth in Adler’s rant….and we all can expect their playing this madman’s game of fame and noteriety to be watched and noted by the NEXT killer who wants to make public statements with mass murder.
This schmuck even alluded to how he idolized the Columbine killers…and obviously the noteriety the MSM gave them.
MSM has got to plead guity to Adler’s charges…they have blood on their hands for propagagting the killers dememnted messaging….the next killer sees that this is a media outlet to broadcast his mad rants.
The killer mailed his tape to NBC, when they broadcast it they became his partner in infamy.
Acts such as this or terrorist acts are local tragedies until they are broadcast worldwide by the media. Giving killers the publicity that they crave, encourages others to do the same.
News from U of S late this afternoon a lone gunman has been seen brandishing a gun around campus in army fatigues and the entire campus is in lockdown. Scary situation, developing. Talk about copycats.
News from U of S late this afternoon a lone gunman has been seen brandishing a gun around campus in army fatigues and the entire campus is in lockdown. Scary situation, developing. Talk about copycats.
All The same I’d rather know the story and filter it out for myself, no censorship for me thankyou.
and about inspiring other crazies to do the same, if that true and its enough to push them over the edge, it speaks to larger issues of our society as a whole. The media aren’t making this problem (directly) they are just showcasing how crazy it is today. The media is both a product and producer of that craziness. More conservatives less liberals is the only way to solve this problem! (retrace and find back where we came from or all bets are off)
It is also along the same lines in how MSM media treat the killers. It is sad I know the names Kle**** and Har*** and Kimv******.
And not one victim.
Freedom of speech, yes. report the story, release the name of course. But I feel they should(and I admit, are doing a fair job on this story-minus the tapes)refer to it as the events at VT or the VT incident. IMHO.
It seems the bar is set ever higher. Now the next screwed up individual will try to kill more, leave a bigger hole, and try to be imortalized even larger than those previous.
And the media gives the story so much attention two things happen.
1 sets the bar
2 Allows people to learn from others mistakes.
The obvious answer is to enforce a substantial delay on the publication of such material; a delay of sufficient duration that the original crime has long since vanished from the news cycle. I’d say from 30 to 90 days.
I agree that analysis of this material could possibly shed some light on the mindset of the perpetrator, and for this reason it shouldn’t be censored permanently.
A delay would enforce a disconnect between the shock of the crime and the publication of the perpetrator’s screed, and deny the perp the platform he seeks.
For what it’s worth, I believe that in crimes of this nature, that the perpetrator, whether he dies by his own hand, or by police or citizen action, should be denied any sort of civilized burial or funeral. Cremate the bastard, and flush the ashes down the toilet. No point in creating a shrine for other sick creeps to visit. Make them an un-person in the old Soviet style. This, in itself, might constitute some sort of deterrent to other would-be perps.
Jared, there is a difference between censoring something and trying to sensationalize a story.Putting the crazed killer’s picture on the front page bigger than life or playing his tape after every commercial break as a news flash is a lot different than a story giving details of what he said and did an maybe a regular sized picture on the inside pages with a victim’s picture or two and a story to balance it out. Not everyone is like you and can tell the difference between news and hype.
Hugh Hewitt had numerous guests on his show talking about this topic. Mark Steyn …
HH: Should NBC have shown that video?
MS: Well, I think there’s a difference between something that just happens to turn up, and something that is in fact mailed to the media as the final act in the killer’s drama. So in other words, NBC is fulfilling the killer’s last request. That’s disgusting. That’s disgusting, because in effect, you have colluded in this kind of show of slaughter that he’s concocted, and I think that’s disgusting for NBC.
HH: Last night, as I drove home from a book signing, I was listening to a psychiatrist at NYU, Dr. Welner, who will be on Larry King tonight, and we hope to have him on tomorrow, he was apoplectic, saying that this is playing right into this fevered, crazy, insane mind of which there are many in America, by giving them a blueprint on how to get to their glorification. And I immediately thought of the rule of law firm compensation, that which gets rewarded, gets repeated, Mark Steyn.
MS: Yes, and I think we have to understand the one reason why mass murder, random mass murder by crazy guys is a phenomenon of our time, is because mass media gives you the opportunity to enlarge the act. You know, there will always be people who go crazy and kill a couple of people around them. But one reason why a guy like this decides he’s going to go somewhere and kill dozens of people is because he knows that he can then access a national stage, and an international stage. He’s on the front page of newspapers all over the world. And I think in a sense, to make a crazy guy, to upgrade him from kind of small town burlesque to planetary wide superstar, which is what NBC is colluding in here, I think is terrible. I mean, in a sense, they’ve upgraded the show business aspect of the crime, and that is disgraceful.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=75987679-e200-4c0b-ab47-1b2270bea621
— Dr. Michael Welner, forensic psychiatrist
HH: My last question for you, Dr, and take some time to answer this if you would. What should the media do following one of these…I have not played a second of his audio. I hesitate to say his name. I only use it when I have to. And my view is, as we said, as Moses said strike their name from the tablets, what would you advise the media generally, and perhaps the Forensic Panel can come up with something, to do concerning rampage killers and their desire to be known in the aftermath of their violence.
MW: You know what? I appreciate your attitude in not even mentioning his name, or if perhaps you can adopt my suggestion of encouraging people to refer to this as perverted…and first of all, I think that this kind of crime, and the people who carry it out, have to be referred to as perverts specifically because it’s a copycat crime. No one copies a pervert. Nobody copies a sex offender or a rapist. And this is why it sends out a message that even if people feel disaffected, they would be ashamed to entertain these notions, because society reacts to these kinds of crimes the way it would a rape or other kind of sexual assault. I would liken what NBC did to the release of a toxic cloud. Once you release it, if you continue to release it, it compounds the problem. If you allow it to spread and to be accessible, it compounds the problem in access to it. And so what you have to do once the mistake has been made is to simply shut it off in order to contain fallout. And so the answer to a news organization receiving a package is, I would say well, what would you do if somebody mailed you anthrax? Would you open it because of the media’s right to know? Or would you send it to law enforcement authorities, because they have appropriately skilled people who can handle these things. Well, the answer is fairly obvious. This is exactly what this is. It is a psychological warfare that has societal, catastrophic ramifications of some kind of biological agent or radioactive agent. And responsible individuals should recognize what their skills are, and what their skills aren’t.
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=3f64c273-c8e5-4aa5-aae0-213ec33c5612
Gunney99 … et al.
I think you are referring to North Delta High. The dilemma is the son, who has some screws loose, saying that he is going to do a VT after watching almost non-stop 24/7 coverage … vs the mother after watching 24/7 non-stop coverage … and understanding her son is a flake …reporting him.
I don’t know what the answer is … this bird got flushed. The nut or the nuts family … the nut, I suspect, in most cases more persistent than his family.
Giving publicity beyond saying what a wretched sick bastard this creature was is beyond the pale.
There is no benefit to society at any level to look at such a demented creep, ranting from his crazed mind giving excuses for his murderous rampage while everyone is grieving for his victims.
Looks like all schools will have to consider some sort of security plan to guard against mental cases who blame society for their state and drive them to murder.
Let’s enumerate Adler’s sanctimonious errors.
1. In democratic societies the press do not serve law enforcement officials, except in Putin’s Russia and all those terrible, terrible left wing states that scare the shit out of all of you.
2. Equating racist remarks with the publication of a killer’s screed, however ill-adviesed is (sorry) apples and oranges. Strike two Adler.
3.Adler is now asking media networks to self censor. The CBC in Canada is afraid the tapes will create copycats. Ummmm, Cho was a copycat. Adler is afraid that the release of the media has created a cesspool. Ummmmm, it’s already there.
4. Note how Adler actually *predicts* the future, that NBC has actually done what he hast foretold. Interesting that. What a frigging prophet.
What a fraud. Get a life Adler readers. Sanctimony is your only meal here.
What I was referring to in my earlier post is not the reporting of a news story but that they, the MSM, have to turn it in to an extended epic. I think that the old saw: “yelling fire in a crowded theater” comes to mind. There has to be limits on freedom of speech and of the press.
The MSM has to refrain from reporting names in accidental death pending notification of next of kin, and they don’t report bridge jumpers around here as it causes a rush to copycat.
It just seems reasonable to me that they be restricted from profiting from tragedy or from McCarthyism. And I would add that that restriction should be self imposed.
As far as school security is concerned; If we don’t wake up, we are going to be hit by Islamo-terrorists in the most vulnerable of places. Public transportation systems are well protected: there are even security guards in shopping malls for Heavens sake!
I saw a clip of NBC’s Brian Williams defending the decision to air the sicko’s video. I can’t quote him…but, he basically said that it was relevant because it was the centerpiece of a major news story.
I found myself shouting back at the TV, “So how about airing images of those Danish cartoons?”
The ones to realy blame for the VT massacare all those wussietards who support gun control and that stupid GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES. SUE THE BRADY CAMPAIGN
While I agree that airing this video plays into the killers desires and may inspire copycats, I am not willing to prevent the press from playing it. I would hope that they would have the common decency not to, but if they do not, we all have the choice to send them a message and not watch their program.
I find any talk of preventing the media from airing anything very worrisome. What is to stop the govt from preventing anything from being shown “for the good of society”?
Surprised that no one here is praising the CBC for not airing the tapes.
I’m also surprised that no-one is torching Fox for airing the tapes.
Second that. No I’m not surprised.
If lunatic like this wants his exploits aired on television, it’s the last thing that should be done. Let’s be honest, it was done to boost ratings.
Sadly, copycats will be inspired.
Surprised that no one here is praising the CBC for not airing the tapes.
Heh, a network that nobody watches not airing something. Has to be some irony there somewhere.
What they should have done once they took this rabid rodent down was the following: toss him in a dumpster with the rest of the trash along with his tapes and photos and notes, then mix liberally with gasoline and add one lighted match. Serves justice for all.
P.S. if it makes anyone feel better, the names Jeff mentioned in his post are completely unknown (to me, at least).
Its important to understand that for the networks, there is no ethical decision involved in broadcasting anything. What they broadcast is determined entirely by the numbers, and the direct legal consequences impacting their bottom line. NBC only had “reservations” due to negative feedback. The other networks held back upon learning of the negative feedback NBC was experiencing.
There never has been an ethic of significance in either print of broadcast media, ever. Media and its users, whether terrorists, businessmen or governments, have always exploited the synergy that comes from feeding public voyeurism. The CBC’s decision not to air, is about selling the “high road” after NBC got hammered for selling hte “low road”.The media have allowed themselves to become pawns because they’re whores – they’ll satisfy whoever will feed thir habit.
I assume that MSM will be showing all Muslim snuff videos then just to be fair.
I think that NBC had a hand in this further and deeper than we know.
They are in trouble in the ratings department and their reputation has taken a beating.
The question then is WHY did Cho take time out and stand in line to send something to NBC??