35 Replies to “Al Gore’s Strip Mine”

  1. and Mr. Gore has been challenged to a wee little debate.
    I would bet he won’t do it. He knows he would be revealed as a moron, deceitful and deceptive.
    Maybe Dr. Fruit Fly would stand in for him ??
    Al Gore Challenged to International TV Debate on Global Warming
    March 16, 2007
    PERTH, SCOTLAND – In a formal invitation sent to former Vice-President Al Gore’s Tennessee address and released to the public, Lord Monckton has thrown down the gauntlet to challenge Gore to what he terms “the Second Great Debate,” an internationally televised, head-to-head, nation-unto-nation confrontation on the question, “That our effect on climate is not dangerous.” (http://ff.org/centers/csspp/docs/20070316_monckton.html)
    Monckton a former policy adviser to Margaret Thatcher during her years as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom said, “A careful study of the substantial corpus of peer-reviewed science reveals that Mr. Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth, is a foofaraw of pseudo-science, exaggerations, and errors, now being peddled to innocent schoolchildren worldwide.”
    Monckton and Gore have once before clashed head to head on the science, politics, and religion of global warming in the usually-decorous pages of the London Sunday Telegraph last November.
    Monckton calls on the former Vice President to “step up to the plate and defend his advocacy of policies that could do grave harm to the welfare of the world’s poor. If Mr. Gore really believes global warming is the defining issue of our time, the greatest threat human civilization has ever faced, then he should welcome the opportunity to raise the profile of the issue before a worldwide audience of billions by defining and defending his claims against a serious, science-based challenge”.
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    The arena of the glittering “Second Great Debate” will be the elegant, Victorian-Gothic Library of the Oxford Museum of Natural History, which was the setting for the “Great Debate” between the natural scientist T. H. Huxley and Bishop “Soapy Sam” Wilberforce on the theory of evolution, following the publication of Darwin’s Origin of Species. Lord Monckton says he chose this historic venue “not only because the magnificent, Gothic architecture will be a visually-stunning setting for the debate but also because I hope that in this lofty atmosphere the caution and scepticism of true science will once again prevail, this time over the shibboleths and nostrums of the false, new religion of climate alarmism.”
    Lord Monckton’s resounding challenge to Al Gore reads as follows –
    “The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley presents his compliments to Vice-President Albert Gore and by these presents challenges the said former Vice-President to a head-to-head, internationally-televised debate upon the question “That our effect on climate is not dangerous”, to be held in the Library of the Oxford University Museum of Natural History at a date of the Vice-President’s choosing.

  3. “foofaraw”
    I LOVE THAT WORD!
    Anyone that uses that word will most likely turn Manberapig into a muttering idiot (not that he already isn’t).
    GO LORD MONCKTON!

  4. Gore.
    as in gore, as in what the bull(shyt) does to
    you right in the ribs when you get too close.
    oftentimes fatally.
    didnt somebody by the name of hemingway write a book about this in the 30s or 40s?

  5. He needed the mine to pay for his freakin’ electrical bill. Gore, and Dr Friutfly, have got to be the two biggest hypocrates presently on earth.

  6. Between Gore & the Suzuki they could make the great comedy team of Goricle & Flyguy.
    A wonderland of mayhem mixed with jocular hijacks. Latter day Don Quixote’s (fly guy as poncho) on a quest for world Utopia while living like medieval princes.
    Meanwhile spewing tons of pollution with carbon footprints a dino would blanch at. Each battling heretics with the great right wing conspiracy on their trail.
    Jokes dipped in hilarity for all. Man it was made for the CBC.
    Abbot & Costello where armatures Im telling yeah.
    Compared to the inventor of the internet & a fruit fly sex obsessed know it all.
    The irony is thicker than the toxins they exude naturally with venom.
    I have only one sentiment adequately to portray my attitude towards these poseurs & their views. Which can only be summed up in this video.
    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1186395073
    Happy Trails to both

  7. Go to You Tube and search for “The Great Global Warming Scandle” it is a BBC documnetary that waas featured on Addlwer on Line. Kind of refreshing when someone puts some science into Global Warming.

  8. Dr Suzuki has another poll on his website.
    1) What is Canada’s biggest environmental threat?
    endangered species
    climate change
    air and water pollution
    None is a truly serious problem but of the three I’d choose the last.
    At this point the third suggestion is ahead.

  9. I spent 2 years working in strip mines. Something about the size of that one in relation to the surrounding trees doesn’t seem right… The scale is off… Where are the haul roads? Where’s the processing plant or shipping hopper and conveyor? How did they get the ore out?
    I really hate to say it but something about this stinks…

  10. When one really thinks about this Gore, Suzuki, Dion fiasco, one has to wonder how it will end up. Like a lot of other cult leaders, in suicide ? An act of rage ? Seclusion ? They certainly are not the type to sit down in dialogue, are they ?
    I wonder if Suzuki and Dion will ever responded to these fellow Canadian, Patrick Moore (greenspirit.com) questions/statements. Is it so hopeless for them, and they know it, they will ignore the truth till the grave ?
    From Dr. Patrick Moore;
    March 4 2005
    – The global climate is warming. A large number of scientists claim there is a “consensus” that our greenhouse gas emissions are the cause of global warming. Yet there can be no proof either way, and more than 18,000 scientists and experts have signed a petition opposed to Kyoto.
    – The world’s climate has always been changing; it is impossible to tell if our activities are responsible for global warming.
    – Global warming will not be all bad; northern countries like Canada, northern Europe and Russia will benefit from milder winters and longer growing seasons.
    – Even if humans are the cause of global warming and even if most of the impacts are negative, the question is what we should do about it.
    – Stabilizing carbon dioxide levels would require implementing 20 Kyotos and reducing global fossil fuel consumption by 80 per cent. This reduction is not possible in the next seven years without destroying human civilization.
    – Many scientists and economists believe we should be adapting to global warming, while at the same time developing energy technologies that reduce dependence on fossil fuels.
    – Coal-fired power plants already on the drawing boards in China, Russia, and India will emit more carbon dioxide than all the reductions from Kyoto, even if there were full compliance.
    – With the U.S. opting out of Kyoto and developing countries exempted from compliance, carbon dioxide levels will inevitably continue to rise; all the more reason to focus more on adapting rather than preventing.
    – Ironically, Canada, the coldest country in the Western Hemisphere, is the only country in the Western Hemisphere that has committed to reduce carbon dioxide emissions under Kyoto.
    – Running the Alberta tar sands project on nuclear power would result in a huge reduction in natural gas consumption. That gas could be sold to the U.S., cutting coal consumption and carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. Ironically, the environmental movement is the biggest obstacle to nuclear power.

  12. Missing news story on SDA
    canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=909393c4-ef1d-41d2-b23f-e2951794130f&k=14306

  13. “- Running the Alberta tar sands project on nuclear power would result in a huge reduction in natural gas consumption. That gas could be sold to the U.S., cutting coal consumption and carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. Ironically, the environmental movement is the biggest obstacle to nuclear power.”
    Ok so we take what is a clean form of energy, nuclear (that produces tons to toxic radio active waste). Nuclear power plants produces two usable forms of clean energies, electricity and hydrogen. We take these two clean forms of energy to extract carbon emitting fossil fuels from the earth so that we can to produce greenhouse gases.
    So just why are we not leaving those fossil fuels in the ground and using the clean energies in our homes and cars?

  14. albatros: Read the headline again and ask yourself how long they have been keeping “records”. Even if it’s as long as 100 years of records, how does that stack up against the age of Earth? Twit.

  15. Electic golf carts work ok. Most people, though, want to drive their autos farther than 18 holes. The latte/basket-weaving crowd keeps harping about newfangled super batteries, but are too dumb to invent them.
    Any idea how big a hydrogen fuel tank for your car would be ?? Can ya say trailer ?? How thick ?? about an inch. How heavy ?? How dangerous ??
    Keep drinking the coffee and reading Atwood. Leave the working man and the professionals and the farmers alone, to work their collective butts off providing the slackass wingnuts with a roof over their so-called heads.

  16. If you think the Hydrogen fuell cell is the answer to GHG Emissions. well Hydrogen producition relies on Electricity — Produced From Coal? but if produced from Nuclear it shopuld be GHG free. But…after that when the Hydrogen is burned to produce so called clean emissions in Water Vapour H2O —well Water Vapour just happens to be the largest GHG at about 95% versus 0.05 % for Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere. So tell me when we all turn over to clean Hydrogen how is that supposed to reduce GHG emissions?

  19. Hey Albatros39a, you have a plan for STORING all that hydrogen? Moving it from one place to another? Hydrogen is a class A explosive gas, that’s bad juju. It also creeps through
    And did you know that when you burn hydrogen with plain old air instead of pure O2 you get all manner of nassssty polluting by products of combustion?
    Nuke plant in the tar sands is a GREAT idea. Higher temperatures, easy heat distribution, cheaper… it rocks.

  20. Oopsie, posted before I was done there.
    I was going to add:
    1) Thanks Geoff ~:D
    2)Hydrogen creeps through all the cheaper kinds of welding in mild steel. Arc, mig and tig. Friction-stir welding might be hydrogen tight (I don’t actually know this, but it seems reasonable) but standard gas pipe fittings are not. Meaning all your refinery and transport plumbing is going to be leaking a class A explosive gas all the time. BOOM!

  21. Not to get too picky, but that photo is not of a *strip* mine. Strip mining takes place on, and open to, the surface, the same as open pit mining.
    The zinc mines in eastern Tenn are underground mines. The photo shown above is exhibiting the waste piles, and possibly some tailings, from the underground operation that are commonly placed on the surface, if they are not used for backfilling in the mined out areas.
    The material is white because it is basically all finely to coarsely crushed limestone.

  22. Hydrogen is an ideal source of energy if we can find a way of extracting it.
    It’s nowhere near as dangerous as people think and far less dangerous as gasoline. The properties of hydrogen as a light gas means if a hydrogen fuel tank is ruptured the gas vents off up vertically away from the vehicle. If the same thing happens to a gasoline fuel tank the fuel is allowed to spreads on the ground and remain there endangering the occupants of the vehicle and the rescuers. Unlike gasoline, hydrogen isn’t viscous and will not stick to something while it’s burning and that means less burn victims from vehicle crashes.
    The tanks be carrying the gas would be made of composite materials. They would be both stronger and much lighter than their metal counterparts able to sustain a much stronger impact without rupturing.
    Hydrogen burns clean with no carbon emissions and is idea in fuel cells.
    Somebody here actually claimed that increased water vapour would increase global warming from water vapour emission. Ok, first off water vapour is a greenhouse gas but, water vapour is also responsible for the majority of the planet’s cooling, it’s what gives us our weather. Heat and water vapour work together as the conveyor of energy that takes heat from the surface of the earth to the higher levels of the atmosphere and eventually back into space. Without water vapour the surface of the planet would be too hot to sustain life during the day and too cold at night; somewhat like the conditions on Mars.
    CO2 on the other hand traps the heat energy but does not add any cooling effect to the planet. With increase CO2 causing atmospheric warming, it also increases the water content of the air, which in turn increases the energy potential to develop more severe storms of the weather. So in short, increased water vapour actually helps to cool the planet’s surface. With increased CO2 adding heat energy to the water vapour we end up with more frequent and severe weather.
    youtube.com/watch?v=7nVaftana0g

  23. Soooo, without the greenhouse effect, Earth would be a ball of ice. This part is true.
    Setting aside, for the moment, that in the past (before bad man) the Earth has been MUCH colder, Ice 2 kilometers thick over Canada, and Much warmer, Medieval Warm Period.
    Then if man comes along and puts CO2, a minor GH gas, into the atmosphere, presto calamity that only the Dion can fix by taxing us to death.
    But if man comes along and dumps water vapour (hydrogen cars), MAJOR GW gas, into the atmosphere, it is OK because this time it will cool the Earth.
    A majic thermostat. Also a line for Jay Leno.
    Something like Suzuki trying to tell Ian Sinclair, on Canada’s The Weather Network, that man’s CO2 can cause global warming AND global cooling AND droughts AND floods. It was apparent that Sinclair had a hard time keeping a straight face. But he knew that his job was on the line. TWN is hooked up to Environment Canada and EC is likewise to govmit money as is CBC and hence DZ.

  24. No B Hoax it has to do with the fact that water changes phases at the temperatures of our existing atmosphere. CO2 would do the same thing if our atmosphere was around -78 deg. C and much more dense.

  25. Hydrogen does leak through welds, but the main problem is that it leaks through almost all types of steel, and makes it brittle as it leaks through by changing the crystal structure. So that huge immensely strong storage tank is now just huge.
    Hydrgogen also has a very low energy density except at very high pressures (as do most gases). This is the same problem as LNG powered buses, but more so (thanks to the leaking problem). The best way of using hydrogen is to continue to use liquid hydrocarbons but use a fuel cell or an adaptation of a biological electron transport mechanism rather than straight combustion. This would give you much cleaner reaction products and help sequester the nastier by-products.
    Albatros, go and take several Thermodynamics courses so that we can deal with this like adults, rather than have you expose your ignorance of the physical and chemical processes involved.

  26. Gore will not debate, he refuses to appear on talk shows with those of opposing views. That means he doesn’t know his ‘STUFF’. It’s hard for a Bullshitter to debate what he’s spreading without
    getting tripped up in it.
    Phonies have a short shelf life. Don’t expect him to
    return his Academy Award or money gotten by perpetrating what is now on the way to being severely challenged.
    INCONVENIENT TRUTH INDEED!

  27. “Albatros, go and take several Thermodynamics courses so that we can deal with this like adults, rather than have you expose your ignorance of the physical and chemical processes involved.”
    Perhaps you may wish to try and point out what you think are the errors in what I said?
    Remember I said the tanks would be of light weight composites not metal.

  28. Hey look greens AL GORE your great hero has a strip mine and this is the liar that the idiots at the SIERRA CLUB were calling their great green hope STUPID CLUELESS ENVIROMENTALISTS WACKOS

  29. Ah, composites. The magic stuff.
    Lemme tell you a little about composite materials, Albatros old chum. They are awesomely strong and amazingly light, but they SUCK as materials for making cryogenic tanks out of.
    Remember the NASA shuttle replacement called Venture Star? It was supposed to have composite fuel tanks. All the geniuses at NASA couldn’t make those tanks work. They would bubble. They would crack. They would delaminate. They would, most importantly, leak.
    Here’s why. A composite lamination is fibers held in a matrix material. The matrix sticks tight to the fibers, and the whole thing acts as an impermiable barrier. Well, until you go through a couple of freeze/thaw cycles with liquid hydrogen. Then microscopic flaws between the fibers and the matrix allow hydrogen to start creeping through the weave, and every time you pressurize the tank it creeps in further. Pretty soon she’s leaking, cracking, exploding, stuff like that.
    So no, we won’t be having composite pipes, fittings and tanks to hold hydrogen any time soon, if ever.
    Do you even know how hydrogen is stored in those tanker trucks you see out driving around? Hint, its not as a liquid! You should price the stuff, its very expensive, mostly due to the handling costs.
    By the way. A class A explosive gas means it is fiercely explosive. Like acetylene. I you know anything about welding gases you’ll know that acetylene cylinders are full of acetone and kapok and that you don’t want to be around if one blows.
    Hydrogen will walk out of an acetylene cylinder. Are we learning yet?

  30. Dennis Miller had the best line that I have heard yet, on Fox News a while back, regarding hydrogen-fueled cars:
    “Do you think I want to go to over to the mall and park in a lot next to 500 other mini-Hindenbergs?”

  31. Phantom, who said anything about cryogenic fluids? Gaseous hydrogen is all that’s needed.
    Take a look here (these nice people have done the typing for me) pay particular attention to myth 2 and 7.

  33. I read your link. I see now I’m in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.
    Given the capitalistic, competitive nature of the compressed gas industry, if it was as easy as these guys imply don’t you think the grasping wretches of Corporate America would be doing it that way?
    Oh wait, I forgot. Its all faked up to keep the car makers and oil companies in business. Silly me.
    You should check out what NASA goes through to fuel a shuttle launch. They’ve got a big hydrogen tank far off on one side of the pad, and ‘waaaay over on the other side there’s an oxygen tank. Like a mile almost between the tanks, Google Earth it for a gander.
    Find out what NASA pays for the fuel, and remember they get it from the lowest bidder. Then multiply by a billion barrels a year for a rough idea of the cost involved in running the USA on hydrogen without mythical magical technology that doesn’t currently exist.

  34. PILTDOWN MAN, HITLER DIARIES,AL CAPONES VUALTS,GLOBAL WARMING the biggists fruads in history

  35. Phantom, were not just talking about simple oxygen, it’s LOX and anything combustible is dangerous near that stuff. There is a distinct difference between gaseous hydrogen and liquid hydrogen. Try growing a brain cell; you might begin to understand why NASA would be concerned with keeping the fuel and the oxygen separate, especially in their liquid form.

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