ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans to destroy Iran’s uranium enrichment facilities with tactical nuclear weapons.
Two Israeli air force squadrons are training to blow up an Iranian facility using low-yield nuclear “bunker-busters”, according to several Israeli military sources.
The attack would be the first with nuclear weapons since 1945, when the United States dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The Israeli weapons would each have a force equivalent to one-fifteenth of the Hiroshima bomb.
Under the plans, conventional laser-guided bombs would open “tunnels” into the targets. “Mini-nukes” would then immediately be fired into a plant at Natanz, exploding deep underground to reduce the risk of radioactive fallout.
“As soon as the green light is given, it will be one mission, one strike and the Iranian nuclear project will be demolished,” said one of the sources.
The plans, disclosed to The Sunday Times last week, have been prompted in part by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad’s assessment that Iran is on the verge of producing enough enriched uranium to make nuclear weapons within two years.
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Israel has identified three prime targets south of Tehran which are believed to be involved in Iran’s nuclear programme:
# Natanz, where thousands of centrifuges are being installed for uranium enrichment
# A uranium conversion facility near Isfahan where, according to a statement by an Iranian vice-president last week, 250 tons of gas for the enrichment process have been stored in tunnels
# A heavy water reactor at Arak, which may in future produce enough plutonium for a bomb
Israeli officials believe that destroying all three sites would delay Iran’s nuclear programme indefinitely and prevent them from having to live in fear of a “second Holocaust”.
h/t to reader “Charles”.
This dovetails with news that an admiral has been moved into CentCom- Ralph Peters;
WORD that Adm. William Fallon will move laterally from our Pacific Command to take charge of Central Command – responsible for the Middle East – while two ground wars rage in the region baffled the media.
Why put a swabbie in charge of grunt operations?
There’s a one-word answer: Iran.
ASSIGNING a Navy avia tor and combat veteran to oversee our military operations in the Persian Gulf makes perfect sense when seen as a preparatory step for striking Iran’s nuclear-weapons facilities – if that becomes necessary.
While the Air Force would deliver the heaviest tonnage of ordnance in a campaign to frustrate Tehran’s quest for nukes, the toughest strategic missions would fall to our Navy. Iran would seek to retaliate asymmetrically by attacking oil platforms and tankers, closing the Strait of Hormuz – and trying to hit oil infrastructure in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf emirates.
Only the U.S. Navy – hopefully, with Royal Navy and Aussie vessels underway beside us – could keep the oil flowing to a thirsty world.
In short, the toughest side of an offensive operation against Iran would be the defensive aspects – requiring virtually every air and sea capability we could muster. (Incidentally, an additional U.S. carrier battle group is now headed for the Gulf; Britain and Australia are also strengthening their naval forces in the region.)
Not only did Adm. Fallon command a carrier air wing during Operation Desert Storm, he also did shore duty at a joint headquarters in Saudi Arabia. He knows the complexity and treacherousness of the Middle East first-hand.
Related (to say the least) …. Iran News – Ahmadinejad: Iran soon to celebrate nuclear victory.
A reminder – Memri is a good place to drop in for the view from the other side of the divide.
Unless an emergency develops, I don’t see the Coalition acting much in the matter of Iran until they see whether or not Khamenei’s upcoming death from cancer will result in Rafsanjani becoming the supreme leader, with the possibility of him then kicking Ahmadinejad out of office. I have read some analysis that suggest that such a scenario might not be that unlikely, in which case it could be argued that given Rafsanjani’s proclivities, Iran might change its strategy.
What can one expect? With Russia talking out of both sides of their mouth on this issue, China needing energy, France with their “say one thing, do another” with Iran, Amedinawhatever saying that he is going to wipe Israel off the map and the UN being completely irrelevant, as usual – who can blame Israel and the US for planning to take out Iran’s nuke plants?
I have believed for some time now that Israel would be left with little choice but to act. I have also believed that if they did it would be in concert with the US. The time is getting close. No one wants to see nukes used however if they are the only weapons that will take out the installations then so be it. War is not nice but survival trumps all.
Where would The Times have gotten this information and how?
Remember, the Israelis are very good at keeping secrets, far better than most other Western democracies.
My hypothesis is that this is a deliberate leak from the Israeli government. If that’s correct, what would be their purpose in doing so?
Perhaps it’s a final warning from Israel to Iran to cooperate with with the West and shut down their nuclear weapons program or else. Or perhaps it’s a joint Israel-US final warning.
Perhaps not; maybe it’s just very good investigative reporting on the Times’ part. However, even if it’s not a deliberate leak, let’s consider all the information from the Times article and the Peters column. The proposed US ground troop buildup in Iraq also makes much more sense if done in conjunction with an air/naval assault on the Iranian nuclear weapons program.
Everything starts coming together in a coherent picture. As I see it, if this is an imminent US attack on Iran, the military goal would be destruction of the Iranian nuclear weapons program and, during a one or two weeks air and naval campaign, most of the Iranian Air Force and Navy. There won’t be a US ground invasion of Iran; it’s unnecessary. Plus US ground forces will be busy cleaning up Baghdad and the Sunni Triangle.
With additional naval carrier groups on the way (and presumably other secret movements of other forces), all the US and Allied forces will be in place in two to three weeks from now.
It’d only be logical that the CIA would also be attempting to aid the anti-Mullah underground in Iran, with a view to an attempted coup against the Mullahs.
Another obvious goal would be to eliminate or at least greatly downgrade the Iranian ability to cause trouble in Iraq. Al-Sadr and others and their “militias”, the Iranians’ proxy forces, would seem to be breathing on borrowed time also.
The two-fold US goal would be:
1. A nuclear-defanged Iran, possible with the Mullahs overthrown, or at least severely humiliated and thereby ripe for overthrow.
2. A much more pacified Iraq, with Baghdad and the Sunni Triangle much more secured.
This would also bear fruit in serving to indirectly greatly weaken Hezbollah, Iran’s proxy in Lebanon.
And the reaction from that entity famous with the West’s left-wing MSM, the “Arab street”? Nothing. That’s as big an illusion as the “brutal Afghan winter”.
The Arab nations don’t fear attack from Israel. They do seriously and realistically fear attack from Iran. The US will be silently cheered on by most Arab governments and opposed by Iran, Russia, China, Islamofascists … and most of the Western Left and their lickspittle MSM mouthpieces.
It’ll be public pro-forma protests from Arab leaders and diplomats, coupled with a vast private heaving of sighs of relief from governments from Cairo to Riyadh.
Russia and China will be powerless to intervene; they’ll only mouth off diplomatically.
What might be upcoming is a two to three week period of time in which the US and Allies change the world, much for the better.
That’s my hypothesis anyway. Comments, anyone?
Maybe it’s just me, but if you’re foolin’ around with nuclear fission, shouldn’t you already know how it works?
Tehran & Vienna: Iran said on Thursday it would like technical aid from the UN atomic watchdog for its Arak
heavy water reactor but would press ahead even if its request was eventually rejected.
And that’s the good news…
I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again. There will be no Iranian nuclear bomb. Or, to be
more precise, it’ll only ever happen over Israel’s blackened smoking corpse.
“Remember, the Israelis are very good at keeping secrets, far better than most other Western democracies. My hypothesis is that this is a deliberate leak from the Israeli government.”
That was my first thought as well. The way it’s phrased also makes it seem too…calculated. It does seem like a final warning, not necessarily aimed at the people currently in charge, but at their opposition. We know that Iran is currently perilously close to a civil war. The threat of nuclear attack from Israel might be enough to push the opposition into action.
At the same time your analysis of the possibility of US attack in the coming months is certainly something worth considering. When the carrier groups first started gathering in the gulf, I blew it off as a convenient way to turn scheduled manoeuvres into a show of force. However, they’ve been there for quite a while now, and don’t seem to be planning on leaving any time soon. That tends to suggest that someone thinks they might come in handy soon.
If I had to speculate, I’d say the US probably isn’t looking to start an all out attack. More likely, they know that Israel’s getting ready to strike, and are waiting to deal with the fallout (no pun intended). If Iran responds to Israel’s attack in a way that is likely to damage US interests, the carrier groups are there to contain them. At the same time, if Iran falls apart on it’s own, the carrier group can observe and act in limited roles where needed. Maybe prevent the destruction of oil infrastructure, assist whichever faction shares our goals, and intervene if one of the factions goes nuts and starts launching Scuds in all directions a-la Saddam in ’91.
Actually, if this confrontation occurs within the next 6 months, it could be the best thing ever to happen to Iraq. It would definitely throw a monkey-wrench into Iranian operations in Iraq. It would also give the republicans an excuse to extend the deployment of US troops in the region. And, as it would inevitably lead to civil war in Iran, it could make Iranian meddling in Iraq next to impossible not just for the short term but for the next decade. That’d give the new Iraqi government the time it needs to get it’s act together.
All in all, I think it’s safe to say that things are about to get interesting.
I think the destruction of the UN is a better plan than destroying Isreal.
“ISRAEL has drawn up secret plans…”
– always get a kick out of these…not so secret now is it?
😉
maryT…true, Nuke the UN, but as faulty and corrupt as it is, it is the only thing we got to deter another world war so to speak.
Then again, reading Revelations, Iran (Persia) is one of the countries along with Gog/Magog (Russia) Gomer (Germany) to attack Israel.
Hey, sda got scooped by several hours on this by a new lefty blog, http://www.lemonchicken.ca
Lefty or no, this blogger seems to think that putting Iran out of the nuclear game might be a good idea.
When I say “new”, I’m not kidding. The guy is more literate and more civil than most of the species, but most of his posts have zero comments. He’s probably lonely enough to welcome a little conservative ass kicking.
There’s a rather longish article by Yaakov Katz at The Jerusalem Post – tinyurl.com/y6udnb – that discusses a number of issues relevant to the matter at hand. Nuclear weapons capability for Iran looks to be about three years out, and given my above posting on Khamenei &c, I suspect that what we’re seeing here is a longer-term positioning toward applying other pressures, not a build-up to a short-term attack.
Bomb nuclear facilities? Probably.
Use ANY nuclear device? I really don’t think so.
There are big enough conventional weapons (bunkerbusters) to reach deep underground, the idea of going nuclear is akin to Pandora’s box…….impossible to shut the door afterwards.And no-one wants that.
Nukes..not a chance.
You are correct that Iran is next. However, Israel will not nuke any reactors. As we all know, Iraq is a diversion. As the army attacks Iraq, the US gov’t erodes rights at home by suspending habeas corpus, stealing private lands, banning books like “America Deceived” from Amazon,America Deceived (book) rigging elections, conducting warrantless wiretaps and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies. Soon, another US false-flag operation will occur (sinking of an Aircraft Carrier by Mossad) and the US will invade Iran, (on behalf of Israel). See, Israel will get the apathetic (really just pathetic) Americans to lose their sons and daughters in Israel’s wars.
eastern paul
Doesn’t it take a heavy bomber (something that Israel doesn’t have) to deliver a bunker buster?
Just wondering.
eastern paul. You sound very positive, where did you get your knowledge on the effectivness of bunkerbusters and how hard the nuke installations in Iran are??
Ha!
Loved the title, Kate.
zog at 1:23; I went to the basement dwellers site and looked around. He may be literate, but enviromentally he’s as wacked as the rest. I give you this from his site…”Sir Nicholas Stern recently pegged the global cost at $9 trillion dollars. While Canadian Conservatives rail against the Liberals for having failed to act on the issue in their thirteen years in power, it is really only today that public opinion in this country – in large part because of the work of the Liberal government”
Sir Nicholas Stern has a liberal arts degree in mathematics and is an expert in everything. Basement dweller.
Civil, but why give him the traffic?
My opinion;
On the topic of Iran and a first strike by Israel. The warning has been issued and the scouting out of naval necessities has begun.
China will not appreciate a disruption in it’s fuel supplies, so the preparations are begining to ensure that there will be few, if any, attacks on the offshore oil wells and the supply chains along the gulf.
Russia is not a factor as they currently have Europe by the balls and the price for crude will certainly rise.
We live in interesting times.
The Times is starting to make these “Israel prepares to strike Iran” an annual event. In December 2005, the Times suggested a possible strike date of March 2006 date for an Israeli attack – by the same two reporters who wrote this current article.
Does Israel have a war plan for striking Iran? Absolutely, but will the Israeli Olmert government implement it – highly unlikely in light of the last summer’s Lebanese fiasco.
Furthermore, the IDF is in the midst of huge organizational overhaul. I’d say its a safe bet the mullah’s are safe until the Israelis change their government.
I’m not so sure that creating plans should be taken to mean that they actually intend to do it.
As I understand it, every country has “plans” drafted up for taking over every other country on Earth. They are all theoretical and based not on political animosity or intent – just a sort of if-it-is-ever-needed kind of thinking. Better to be prepared and all of that.
For example, I read a publication from some guy at McMaster University in 2003 that the US (at that time) was in the process of revising their “plans for invading Canada.” It was not a serious piece meant to say that the US was planning to invade Canada. It was meant as one of those quasi-humorous “diversion” pieces that you see in newspapers from time to time. The point was that all militaries have such “plans” or playbooks ready to go in case their political masters need a plan in a hurry. Apparently, the US plan for invading Canada hadn’t been reviewed since the Nixon administration and was in need of modification.
I assume that Canada has a similar “plan” on how to invade the US.
I have no doubt that the US and Israel would have to amend any existing plans they had for Iran – based on Iran acquiring nukes. But, I don’t think that that means they’re necessarily ready to carry them out. There would have to be a lot more thought put into the world-wide consequences and much more diplomacy attempted first.
Maybe they are actually intending to strike Iran – but I would have to see more than the existence of “plans” to be convinced.
Israel will do whatever it can or has to do to protect itself. Posturing is part of the game.
It’s looking like they’re getting closer to some real action.
This Dude, Ahmadiddydo,whatever, is going to talk himself into deep trouble at some point. Talking is one thing but he can’t be allowed to put words into action.
The Israelis have to factor into their plans the big unknown that could gravely effect them, the outcome of the ’08 US presidential election.
I agree with eastern Paul that Israel is unlikely to use nuclear weapons.
So, it seems now is as good a time as any to dig out that old Milsurp radiation suit, buy a cheap CF semi and a crate of ammo, and stock up on food and water?
“Another obvious goal would be to eliminate or at least greatly downgrade the Iranian ability to cause trouble in Iraq.”
Airstrikes won’t accomplish that. Presumably they’ve already got troops watching that border anyways and plenty of stuff still gets through.
Dave “My hypothesis is that this is a deliberate leak from the Israeli government. If that’s correct, what would be their purpose in doing so?”
It almost certainly is a deliberate leak. Traditionaly such leaks have been used as vieled threats a means of communicating something on the sly (which you can officialy deny) or to test the waters, gauge reaction in advance for something you’re planning on.
The big problem with the nuke Iran scheme is how people are going to react. The US might experience some very nasty blowback in Iraq. It might also serve to embolden the fundamentalist die hards in Iran who are currently losing sway.
Our best option is political change within Iran. And there is encouraging news on that front.
I don’t think that there will be a war against Iran by Israel and the US. That scenario would be exactly what Iran desires. Sounds strange? But I think Iran has been taunting to West to attack it for some years.
It has nothing to do with oil.
It even, I suggest, has little to do with Israel and Palestine; that’s a different issue. A serious issue, but different.
It has to do with Iran’s desire to be the foremost power in the ME. To achieve this goal, it must first repress democracy in the ME. All the states reject democracy because they are tribal dictatorships. However, democracy is moving in – and this will hinder Iran’s ambitions in the area. If Iran can get the West to attack it, it might, just might, set itself up as the Savior of the ME against the Evil West – and incite the populations of the various countries to align with Iran as its ‘Imperial Leader’. This will only work if the attack is done soon, before ‘people power’ ie democracy, takes over.
I maintain that the Arab states rejected enabling Palestine’s statehood because it would be a democratic state in their midst. Their opposition is to the political system of democracy. Israel rejected enabling Palestinian statehood because it wanted their land – and that is a grievous error. At the moment, the ME scenario is obscured, with people thinking that it’s all about Israel/Palestine. I don’t think so. I think that’s one issue that is being used as a cover for another issue – the adamant attempt to hold onto tribal power by rejecting democracy. And Iran’s imperial ambitions in the ME.
So, Iran will use ‘threats against Israel’ as its bait to get the West to attack it. It will not attack Israel, itself, directly. Ever. It will hide behind insurgent forces which it will fund and arm (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iraq insurgents). The main goal is to prevent democracy anywhere in the ME – and this goal also requires that the West attack it. Iran’s agenda is to move itself into domination of the ME.
What to do? I’m hardly an expert; my suggestion is the encouragement and development of democracy. Don’t take Iran’s bait and fall into its trap of war; that will enable it to set itself up as the ME Savior against the Imperialist West – and move itself into imperial control over the other ME states. And demolish any hopes of democratic reform in the ME.
And publicize this Iranian agenda. And, get Egypt, SA, Iraq, etc..none of whom want to be under a Persian (non-arab) rule – to get involved.
“The Times is starting to make these “Israel prepares to strike Iran” an annual event. In December 2005, the Times suggested a possible strike date of March 2006 date for an Israeli attack – by the same two reporters who wrote this current article.”
If, upon arising every morning, I say ‘tomorrow the earth will cease to exist’, some day I will be correct.
Is that at work here? “See!!! We were right!!! Pulitzer please.”
Yoop
How could anyone predict with any accuracy what might unfold in the Tinderboxes of the Middle East. Any action taken by anyone is a crap shoot at best.
An even stranger thing is Ahmadinejad threatening Israel with “being wiped off the face of the earth” over and over and for such a long time. It seems as though he’s taunting them – daring them to act.
Is this just typical Muslim ignorance and bravado, as performed so well by others like Saddam? Or, is he hoping to goad Israel and the US into attacking first for some other nefarious reason?
Consider the ongoing concern about wmd’s being in America already. Would an attack against Iran trigger terrorist actions in America and around the world?
Secrecy is obviously vital in successfully attacking an enemy. If Iran is planning to attack Israel, it doesn’t make sense for Ahmadinejad to be flapping his lips, warning of an attack so far in advance.
5th of November,
Yes, you are sooooo correct. It is Bush and Cheney who together with the illuminati (those 13 reptilian families, led by the Rothschilds), who are stagecrafting all conflicts in order to bring the world to its knees. One world government led by themselves being the result. Not to mention an endless supply of human food for the lizard people.
And yes, ‘America Deceived’ about Amerika’s coverup of Tesla’s free energy invention, and the mysteriouso death of the great man himself. Of course, if you’re caught with a copy, Homeland Security will throw you into one of those secret concentration camps popping up all over the midwest, forever.
Thanks to your input, we are all warned.
Israel rejected enabling Palestinian statehood because it wanted their land…
Except that the Oslo Accords was about giving Palestinians statehood. They walked away from it as they have from every reasonable Israeli overture.
Being a modern state is more than just defined borders, it requires a civil society, tolerance, economic infrastructure, and a benevolent attitude toward your neighbors, everything that the Palestinians aren’t. They don’t deserve a state.
Liz J – but you are making predictions about the ME – in a previous post.
Irwin Daisy – that’s exactly my point. Iran wants the West to attack it. But my view is that he wants it as a tactic to emotionally bond the ME population, not their governments, into seeing Iran as the Saviour of the ME – to enable Iran to move into political domination of that ME. He’d like the ME populations to revolt against their cururent gov’t – whether dictatorships or burgeoning democracies – and permit Iran to install puppet govt’s run by Iran (as in Syria).
Lets remember where in a war with half truths intentionally given by both sides.
Ours for strategic reasons.
Them (Islamists, Jihadists) for undermining our will to fight their provocations of violence, with war as there standard bearer. Religion as a holy cause.
Make no mistake! These jihadists are in this for world domination.
With that out of the way. I think no nukes will be used but there is a plan afoot. I ask is it coincidence that more than 2000 more Canadian troops are slated for Afghanistan? Or are they?
How much of our small navy is now in the Indian ocean?
I doubt PMSH will not stop being a part of this. To many Canadians have been hurt by this regime. PMPM was laughed at by them ( I admit an easy thing to do) when he got upset over a women journalist being beaten on to death.
The best scenario in my mind is that the Iranian people themselves revolt. Than allowing western countries to destroy the nuclear plants. Than leave. Let them remake there own Country.
That those facilities should be destroyed is now unimpeachable. There is no latitude with a man who has admitted he’s going to use them on a neighbor with glee.
I doubt very much even the Saudis want a nuclear armed regime by Shia Muslims nor most Arabs by Persians.
The real facts are Iran has not given Israel nor the US any way out of a confrontation. They have left them with only one choice for survival in Israel. By extension the protection of the US.
One way or another we can’t wait to see the destruction of Israel standing back doing nothing. To allow another holocaust this plainly shown would damn us all. To give a victory to this nut would dishearten any Muslim that is moderate. It is imperative they see we can hold this tide back.
It would be utter madness not to stop this rouge elephant form his messianic aspersions.
I think this video sums it up pretty handily. Beware harsh language though if you view it.
I think the nukes story was leaked to show how absolutly commited to Detroying this program as they could. Like saying, you may have a nuke, but ours comes in all sizes & flavours. Your outmached.
Its a try, but on madmen with god complexes, it has no effect. A warning though was issued.
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/06/video-open-season-the-anti-cair-remix/
Sunday Times.
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We humans are so prone to lunacy when under pressure.
We fail to see that ANY Nuke muscle flexing is a guaranteed mutual disaster. Especially underground detonation.
It may limit air contamination, but it can poison huge area water tables, making the region useless to any victor regardless of who the idiots happen to be.
Ahmadinejad is so blinded with visions of becoming the new Muslim World Emperor of Terror that the widespread poisons of a *little accident* at Chernobyl never cross his mind.
Too bad the United Nations have become such a corrupt mess of selfish interests with root rot.
A decent and mature world authority [United Democratic Nations], would have firmly kept nuclear use within reasonable margins of safety.
The majority of UN members are so riveted to personal profit that the group has become reckless about priority one; World Security. = TG
PS, With Iran*s immense wealth, I am pretty sure they have some nuclear tactical weapons right now and are only perfecting delivery methods and numbers.
MaryT, Your 12:32. Exactly.
A couple of points:
1. Iran is not immensely wealthy. Like Saudi Arabia, outside of Oil income it has next to nothing for economic output. That lack of development is a large reason why the leadership has gone radical and blamed the joos and the US for its poor performance.
2. All of the posts thusfar have not made mention of how the third axis of evil – North Korea, a country that is already nuke equipped – would react if one its closest allies and a major source of cash and oil (for arms and Nuke tech) was hit by isreal and the US et al.
This has to be a major point to consider before acting.
3. As for Israel using tactical nukes, I think they will use whatever force level they deem necessary to achieve the destruction of the Iran’s nuke capability. Conventional bunker busters probably won’t be a surefire method.
4. Any military action will be used as an “I told you so” propaganda piece by the Mullahs and Al Quaeda (sp?) and provide justification for them to act even more secretively and proactively in developing and using WMD.
This isn’t meant to imply that I disagree with the use of force, but only to point out that it is one of the things that needs to be prepared for.
ET, that’s it, making predictions, a POSSIBLE scenario, not with certainty but one that COULD be a course of action.
We’ve already witnessed the long hard fight the Israelis have endured to this point to defend their tiny Democracy surrounded by hostile neighbors.
Deterrence, deterrence, deterrence. Israel is signalling they will not tolerate nuclear-armed Iran. Deterrence cannot be credible unless capability exists to deal disproportionate blow, “if you slap me, I will break your nose,” where the benefit of, in this case, use of nuclear weapons by Iran, will invite immediate and catastrophic response.
In a way Israel is posturing; flexing its muscles. That is why their “plans” have been “leaked.”
There is no way Israel will use nuclear weapons, tactical or otherwise, unless US approves.
Why? Because Israel is deterred by US.
ET,
I agree with the strategically irrational baiting, I don’t however agree with your take on the purpose. Unless these people are complete lunatics. For example, if Iran is planning to unite the Muslim world in a new Caliphate with themselves at the centre – are they not ignoring the age old animosity between Sunnis and Shias?
Perhaps, as you say, Ahmadinejad and the mullahs feel forced to do this in order to avoid their own internal overthrow and to a larger extent, democracy taking root in the ME and their weakened position because of it.
But wasn’t this the same as Saddam’s insane baiting and the hoped for united Muslim rally around his cause as a result?
I think it’s as simple as anarchy. To create a greater schism between Islam and the west, resulting in more terrorist actions, eventuallly leading to the overthrow of western governments from within. More fuel for the fire so to speak. In his mind, this brings to world one step closer to a worldwide Caliphate run by the 12th imam. This guy is messianic afterall.
The one thing that never ceases to amaze me though, is the utter madness of Islamic leaders. Islamic ideology seems to take a human being and change them into irrational monsters, driven by hate and utopia.
“rouge elephant”
Revenant, I enjoy your posts, but that phrase makes me think of some painted pachyderm lingering around the water hole looking for some action. (“Nice trunk, big boy, can you use it?”
How about “rogue” elephant?
Sorry, couldn’t resist…
Iran*s Economy
GDP ranking 20th (2005 est.) [1]
GDP (PPP) $551.6 billion (2005 est.)
GDP growth 4.8% (2005 est.)
GDP per capita $8,100 (2005 est.)
Troubled economy? Yes.
Not helped by undue weapons purchsases.
= TG
graham p:
Sometimes my accent overcomes the spelling, or my spell checker does my thinking for me .
Good retort by the way. Loved the metal visual you conjured up. lol lol lol. (O:}
“Islamic ideology seems to take a human being and change them into irrational monsters, driven by hate and utopia.
It’s radical fundamentalism that’s the problem not the paticular religious text that’s being obsessed over.
If America Deceived has been banned from Amazon then Amazon must not have got the word. It’s available, but yikes, $39.99, must be the gold leaf binding.
Here’s a long detailed analysis of Israel’s attack possibility and the logistics involved.
Decision Time from the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=6&cid=1167467659996&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Jose,
Until you are in possession of historical fact and evidence – your opinion doesn’t matter.
I suggest you do some reading and thinking – as I posted before. Moral equivalence is the defacto argument of a weak mind.
I’ll try this again – my original post was caught due to a very long URL.
For a long, detailed analysis of Israel’s attack possibilities and the logistics involved, check out this Jerusalem Post article. It’s the best piece I’ve read so far on their attack capabilities.
http://www.tiny.cc/mc5NI
Pakistan has Nukes . . . so..
Iran-Pakistan Boost Ties
Jan 6, 2007
A senior Pakistani lawmaker voiced his country’s support for the construction of Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline, stressing that Tehran-Islamabad cordial ties will enter a new phase following the endorsement of the pipeline construction contract.
Chairman of the Foreign Policy Commission of Pakistan’s Senate Mushahid Hussein made the remarks in a meeting with the chairman of the Iranian parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Commission Alaoddin Boroujerdi here on Saturday.
iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_20013.shtml
= TG
from infidel bloggers, iblog.blogspot.com:
Fast forward to 1945. By that time, US, UK, Australia, Netherlands, New Zealand and Canada were fighting Japan in the Pacific and East Asia for some 4 years. In August of 1945, USSR joined in. While the Soviets were pounding Japan’s Kwantung Army in the campaign that began on August 8, 1945, two Japanese cities, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, went up in mushroom clouds on August 6 and August 9, courtesy of the US. A few days later, Japan had surrendered, was occupied and given a new constitution written by the US.
Since then, Japan has been one the closest friends and allies of the US; hence the logical conclusion – nuking makes your enemies into your friends. Let’s befriend Iran.
For those having difficulty spelling, or phonetically sounding out the president of Iran’s name: ‘Ahmadinejad.’ I’ve found ‘Ohmydumbjihad’ is a reasonable alternative. Also, ‘I’m-mad-in-jihad’ also works.
I read a long piece the other day (forget now) that mentioned that the facilities are up to 100 feet underground, with overlapping layers or earth and concrete — way lower than the best conventional bunker bombs’ impact. The piece mentioned that tactical neutron bombs with only a few hundred yards of impact and fairly clean, would set up energy waves that would unsettle the centrifuges etc and disable the facilities.
I’m not at all technical — that’s a rough accounting with apologies if I’ve got it horribly wrong.
Anyway it left me with the impression that there will not be military action because tactical nukes aren’t on. Forget it: that won’t happen esp. with Olmert as leader.
I think there’s a lot to said for Iran’s deliberate provocation theory: their repeated warnings about wiping Israel off the map.
Someone also mentioned the possibility that they could already be in possession of nukes purchased from Russia, which they might use in retaliation.
Economics: I read that GDP per capita is at least 50% below 1979 levels. I mentioned this to a Persian acquaintance, and he said, “way worse”.
Steyn thinks the revolution is exhausted.
Ach-I’m-a-douchebag
How about “Amadingdong”