Another example of why adults in America continue to be wary of the Democrats. And they should.
Reading the comments, it seems an appropriate time for a flashback of their high points in the run up to the 2004 presidential election;
“The most interesting theory I have heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can’t think – it can’t be proved, is that [President Bush] was warned [about 9/11] ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the situation is?” — Gov. Howard Dean
This party responded by electing Howard Dean chairman of the DNC.
And then, there was this – Michael Moore as honoured guest alongside a former Democratic president.
For all the cries of “BUSHARPER!”, there are arguably a lot more similarities between the poorly veiled anti-Americanism of the American Moonbatocrats now in control of a once honourable party, and the people writing the script these days in the Liberal Party of Canada.
So “real bullets” are coming to the Terminator.
I gather the Democrats are engaging in terrorism.
Will the Terminator be allowed to return in kind?
Only real Republicans know for sure; we should ask George W. Bush if he has any ‘fireworks’ leftover from his recent birthday party.
Terminator fires “roman candles” at Democrats who have now been “Gore’d”.
Reminds me of the practice of phrenology in the 19nth century.
http://pages.britishlibrary.net/phrenology/
Using the bumps on ones head as predictors of, health, life, temperament & of course mental stability.
Now Democrats use shoe size as an indicator of the “law of similarity.” Ones political or social views are found in the mysteries of foot length & a shadow of a hint of small man syndrome.
Of course there is the tainted innuendo of a nefarious connection with a cobbler.
Truly this crew have become Mad hatters living in a rabbit hole.
The fact they use allusions like REAL Bullets, is indicative of there wishes or perhaps hopes for Mr. Shwarzenegger?
I would not be surprised these types run naked under the moon howling.
Don’t tell me Emiliano Zapatas incestuous offspring have been hired by the DNC and Shrillary?
Revnant Dream — “I would not be surprised these types run naked under the moon howling.”
Actually, you may not realize how right you are. A significant portion of Democrats are witches who worship Gaia “sky-clad” (naked).
They meet in wooded areas on the full or new moon, jump over bonfires and howl at the moon.
Google the the witch Starhawk sometime. They believe that politicians put spells on them, and they likewise try to practice spell-craft back.
So actually, running about naked howling at the moon is literally a campaign requirement for some running for Democratic nominations.
My favourite Arnold Schwarzenegger quote: “I come from Austria, a socialist country. There you can hear 18-year-olds talking about their pension. […] Individualism is incompatible with socialism. I felt I had to come to America where the government wasn’t always breathing down your neck or standing on your shoes. […] Government should provide a fair start and fair competition. It shouldn’t rig outcomes.”
ahhh yes, Democrats.
Shovel
Hole
Dig
Deeper
Faster.
Its a beautiful thing . . .
steve d,
LOL! Your post was a scream!
For the record, Arnold is over six feet tall. No need for “lifts”.
Holy crap! A Democrat has literally threatened the Governor of California with possible assassination!
And leftists demand to know what the hell I’m talking about when I declare leftism a “mental disorder”? A usually polite leftist commentor today on my site uttered a blasphemous word and compared me to a certain dictator just for expressing my opinion of leftism.
This is, in my opinion, a good post about leftism:
http://thecanadiansentinel.blogspot.com/2006/07/analyzing-left.html
After years of Republicans suggesting that Democrats “support terrorists” this seems less overthetop in juxtaposition.
We’ll see what “adult Americans” think come November when the Democrats are expected to make gains in the House and Senate, possibly enough to take over one of those bodies.
How come Democrats are always representative of their party when they say stupid things and Republicans never are?
You’ve really got to fix the spam filter (sigh).
Does anyone even care?
http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20060706-042023-4410r
Your spam filter does.
J0hnnyB asked:
“How come Democrats are always representative of their party when they say stupid things and Republicans never are”?
Because stupid Dem’s reflect the party line, and stupid GOP’ers don’t?
I asked steve d. to take a few days break from his serial trolling here, and he failed to comply.
Right now he’s wondering why he is getting only a 403-Forbidden response when he tries to access the site.
I agree the comments about the lifts are out of line. Comparing Arnold to KJI on any level is obscene, kindergarden (cop?) kind of stuff.
As for the bullets remark, I think the better interpretation is that he was speaking of criticism and such, bullets being an analogy for the same.
Now, I would argue that it is a very poor analogy, and very poorly worded. So you could attack him for being an idiot with a poor command of the english language. But to take his remarks literrally, I mean, that seems a bit much. No?
Kindly,
I agree, Ted. It reminds me of that quote by Valery: “An attitude of permanent indignation signifies great mental poverty. Politics compels its votaries to take that line and you can see their minds growing more impoverished every day, from one burst of righteous indignation to the next.”
Fortunately for Canada, our politician in chief, Prime Minister Stephen (Steve) Harper, doesn’t seem to suffer from that problem.
Kate, steve d should thank you. It strikes me this may be the only discipline he’s ever had. Possibly he’s unaccustomed to the idea that some people mean what they say.
Incidentally, I can’t resist a quick aside about another Steve.
I’m very pleased at the warm relationship developing between our president and the Canadian prime minister. Quite some time ago I mentioned that these two men would be able to work out national problems personally through the strength of their relationship and mutual respect.
So I suppose you saw reports on the Washinton briefing:
On the whole, Mr. Bush said: “I’m proud to have allies like Steve who understand the stakes of the 21st century.”
By trolling I suppose you mean offering a contrary opinion. SDA comments sections have been a great forum for conservative groupthink where a bunch of right wingers can sit around and reinforce one anothers view without any critical inspection.
It’s interesting, but the G&M has an article about Graham ‘telling’ Harper not to get to close to Bush, because that will ‘harm Canada’s sovereignty’ and Canada ‘must keep its own interests to heart’ – as if getting close to the USA and Bush will harm either….
At any rate, the reader comments are overwhelmingly in favour of Harper and extremely hostile to the Liberal Party. Quite something to see.
Harper’s actions, which are pragmatic, basic, without the empty rhetoric, and fixed on practical, real issues, are reaping their just rewards.
KC – steved doesn’t offer a contrary opinion. He offers ignorant, ungrounded illogical opinions.
His opinions are offered without any substance, any evidence. He asserts they are ‘the truth’; he asserts that he knows exactly what major political leaders are thinking; when you ask for substantiation, he can’t provide any and accuses you of harassment for asking for evidence.
Frankly, I haven’t seen anyone as ignorant of history, of political theories, of basic definitions of social typologies as him. I haven’t seen anyone as unable to link together a cause with a result, as him – nor have I seen anyone quite as blithly refusing to acknowledge that there are problems with his unfounded assertions.
SDA is not just for group-hugs. It’s for debate, and we do have varied conclusions. I, for one, have quite a different view of the Israeli-Palestinian situation. So far, people hear me out, whether or not they agree.
A blog is naturally going to attract people who have, to a certain degree, similar views. It’s not easy to change basic ideology, and if, for example, this were a ‘leftist blog’, with most people believing deeply in postmodern cultural relativism, anti-capitalist, anti-individual, and supporting socialism and social engineering, I don’t think we’d have much to say to each other. I’m not going to become like them, and they aren’t going to become like me. The limits of change – are limited. That’s the nature of groups. And blogs are ‘group-talk’.
The way I model it, ET, is that SDA is like a pub, which folks may recall is a private house open to the public. Kate is our hostess and proprietor, it’s her private property, and she can run it however she wants. In particular, if a pub has a theme, and regulars who attend for that purpose, then if someone keeps wandering and, whether they are correct or incorrect, goes out of their way to disrupt the proceedings, it is completely appropriate for the proprietor to invoke the bouncer. And I’m off topic, so I’ll leave it at that.
ET,
Maybe Steve D’s opinions were irrational. I’ve never read them to be honest. But I see a lot of irrational right wing opinions that are offered without any evidence or explanation of the logical process at which they are arrived at on here that dont result in the commenter being banned.
Its understandable that the comments here are disproportionately right wing, as the comments at Calgarygrit, and Cherniak are disproportionately liberal. But here contrary opinions are shouted down by other commenters or simply banned. Just the other week I suggested that the LPC’s culpability for adscam was lesser than some would have us believe. A third of the next 150 comments were all right wing retorts. Thats what I call groupthink.
A stripping party?
For the good of the country, of course.
Judy Sgro, where are you?
There are different grades of stripper, of course. …-
Liberals propose stripping party back to basics
CTV.ca – 41 minutes ago
The Liberal Party of Canada appears set to strip the Big Red Machine back down to basics, according to a Friday newspaper report. “I think that we owe it to the country, and certainly Liberals owe it to their …
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Greg, I too was moved by the precision of the comment: “I’m proud to have allies like Steve who understand the stakes of the 21st century.”
I’m sick of lefties still fighting the Cold War, on the Soviet side, their brains locked in a 20th century time warp, still parroting KGB anti-American propaganda.
“I’m sick of lefties still fighting the Cold War, on the Soviet side, their brains locked in a 20th century time warp, still parroting KGB anti-American propaganda.”
SEE! This is what I’m talking about! Why is what Steve D does “trolling” but this kind of nonsensical polemic is considered a “valid opinion”
KC – because an opinion is a majority (and a third is not a majority), that doesn’t mean that it is invalid or programmed (i.e., groupthink). It may be valid. I’m sure that there are a great many opinions which are held by a majority in this country (the value of freedom, the value of democracy, the rule of law etc..). They are valid.
I, for one, cannot see how the LPC is not fully responsible for Adscam, and a suggestion that it is not, is hardly evidence.
calgarian – yes, exactly right. The left is still locked into the pro-communist side of the cold war. But I suspect that the socialist mentality will always be around. Nothing to do with the cold war but with the nature of human beings, to want someone else to be responsible for them. But a country ruled within a socialist infrastructure is ‘no-growth’; it has no capacity for change, because change comes only from the individual-who-thinks-differently.
After reading The Red Star’s account of the Bush/Harper meeting — specifically, the latest blatantly Liberal ax job written by James Travers — I turned to my wife and said, “This is a deeply dishonest newspaper.”
I come to read on this site and others of a conservative bent not for a group hug but because I don’t see my views reflected in the Toronto media. The Red Star is the worst. It should have the Liberal party logo on the front page. There’s nothing wrong with being a Liberal — used to be one myself. But a newspaper should not pretend to be non-partisan when it’s only reason for existence is partisanship.
As for the Liberal Party “downsizing”, it was inevitable, they can no longer steal as much government services and funds for their party, if they have to rely on legal party funding they’re crippled. They “owe it to the country” all right, more than they can ever repay.
“But I see a lot of irrational right wing opinions that are offered without any evidence or explanation of the logical process at which they are arrived at on here that dont result in the commenter being banned.” – KC
You have no idea who has been banned here, or what their political viewpoints are. For the most part, I don’t announce it publicly, unless I think an explanation is required to avoid confusion in the comments. Steve was asked to take a couple of days break. He was becoming rather obsessive, and frankly, obsessive commenting combined with a lack of meaningful content is counterproductive to the flow of discussion here.
Now, that said, I don’t need to explain anything to you “KC”, because, as my detractors on the Canadian left are fond of pointing out – – – I’m a fascist.
It’s one of the perks.
KC, sounds like your brain is set in concrete. Have you read the Mitrokhin Archives? I thought not. Most of the lefty anti-American classic dogma was deliberately created and planted – the laughable concept of the USA being some kind of world leader in racism for one – and the methodology has taken on a life of its own.
KC – why do you consider that remark of calgarian about the left spouting pro-communist ideology to be ‘nonsense? Please explain.
Go to any academic journal in the humanities and social sciences, and it will be filled with pro-socialist, anti-capitalist (and anti-American) ideology.
After all, our own NDP party is socialist, as is the Liberal Party and both of them have a deep antipathy to the American system of individualism, private property and private entreprise, capitalism.
I grant that socialism, which posits state ownership of the economy is not identical to communism, which abolishes the state (an absolutely impossible idea) but socialism is as near to communism as a large population will ever get. So?
Kate – Its your site. Do what you want. But its not “debate”
ET – For the same reason that your last post is BS. Both the NDP and Liberal Parties support free enterprise, only to a different extent than the Conservatives. Its a gross exageration to call them “communist”. I can go outside right now and drive MY car to MY house and watch MY TV. I can start a business if I want. I can buy stocks and shares. All of these things went on under a Liberal government. The Liberal Party is very much a free enterprise, free market political party.
The comment is also ridiculous because the Soviet Union was a brutal, repressive dictatorship, with no respect for individual rights. Both the NDP and Liberal parties believe very much in democracy and human rights. In fact it seems to me that they believe in those things more than the anti-Charter Conservative Party and its leader Mr. Muzzles. The Liberals BROUGHT IN THE CHARTER OF RIGHTS! The Charter is by and large an individualist document.
The only thing NDPers and Liberals dont like about the US is its recent tendancy towards jingoism, and its aggressively and blindly capitalist disposition. That hardly makes anyone “anti-American”. Only a few years ago Conservatives in Canada were criticizing Democratic President Bill Clinton. Does that make them “anti-American”? Of course not.
Calgarian – I cant reply to you my brain is stuck in concrete.
Well, since the topic seems to have fractured, I must say, Kate, that your phrasing “obsessive commenting combined with a lack of meaningful content” is perhaps the best short definition of trolling I’ve ever heard.
For those who are interested in a more detailed discussion of the topic, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll is in my opinion quite complete. The first paragraph reads:
“In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy and antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion.”
KC:
Just the other week I suggested that the LPC’s culpability for adscam was lesser than some would have us believe. A third of the next 150 comments were all right wing retorts. Thats what I call groupthink.
No Kc its not thaw hive mind mentality.
Its something foreign to most Socialists . Its called Truth.
To delude oneself after 13 years of power, greed, theft , with the deliberate deconstruction of a Nation. To destroy a Countries heritage, using a compromised media. The deliberate suborning an education system, to indoctrinate youth.
Brining in people who will only vote your way. Making Monster bureaucracy out of the Federal government to intrude on Provincial rights. To install a Judiciary for the sole purpose to by pass legislation, by judicial fiat. In order to force there Utopian robber state on us all.
To attack one Province & divide others. To use a system of Monetary transfer to keep parts of a Nation perpetually poor, if not plunge most of the populace into penury. Funding impossible scams.
Looting on such a scale they could pay off a debt in less than 4 months. That is if they have. With lying liberals you never know.
Stalin had the pioneers. Hitler, the Hitler youth. If the Liberals had stayed in power what would we have had? The Peace Keepers?
There is no way to minimize the damage done to Canada by these thieves. It will take a generation to repair, if that’s still possible.
The LPC almost split this country into permanent factions Provincially while creating an underclass & caste system based on race, religion , gender, & political views. The giving of the vote to Bernardo & Clifford Olsen was there way of pissing on us all. To further weaken our democracy.
There was no low or hole deep enough, nor foul enough they would not crawl threw to keep power.
As I said this is reality & that’s why you got the response you did. We have all lived threw it & seen it. There are NO emolliating circumstances. Not after the deconstruction of the last 13 years, of a Country for an elite criminal class. You wonder why the outrage? Incredible.
Sorry KC, but them’s the facts.
“the NDP and Liberal Parties support free enterprise”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH… *gasp*
“Both the NDP and Liberal parties believe very much in democracy and human rights. In fact it seems to me that they believe in those things more than the anti-Charter Conservative Party and its leader Mr. Muzzles.” -KC
–Too bad they don’t believe in democracy and human rights for communist and Islamist nations. They NEVER call for them in unequivocal terms. They’re vehemently opposed to referenda in Canada (that makes them democratic?!)
They believe more in those things than do conservatives?
Oh, dear… ok, KC, fine. Believe whatever you wish. We conservatives also believe in freedom of belief, which is guaranteed by the Charter yet ignored by the left. Too bad you leftists don’t, except for what you say to believe in, such as, for eg, the lie that marriage and sexual orientation are mentioned in the Charter. Too bad you leftists want to wipe out JudeoChristianity and promote Islamicization of the planet, forcing women to wear burqhas and be beaten to death on suspicion of disobedience and on and on and on… why the hell do you people not want to fight Islamofascism and jihad?!
I could list a million examples, but the filter would probably bounce it all…
Actually, KC, the Charter is, in my view, a ‘group’ document and anti-Individual. Please see its contrary section 15(2) which privileges group rights. See also statute 27. There’s nothing about individualism in the Charter. The only section referring to individual rights is contradicted by sections 15 and 27. Compare it with the US Constitution, which is one of the greatest documents ever written.
The Charter is primarily about the insertion of bilingualism within Canada, sections 16-23 with many subsections. The insertion of bilingualism is a practice that has effectively removed 80% of the population from direct contribution to the governance of this country and set Canada’s governance up as primarily oligarchical. How’s that for human rights? Canada has been set up as an oligarchy!
Please read my post. I didn’t call the NDP and Liberals ‘communist’; I called them socialist, and stated that this was as near to a communist mode as is possible in a large population.
Socialism isn’t about free enterprise but about gov’t enterprise. You may start a business, but a socialist gov’t is involved in business, such as the CBC, Air Canada and etc. In a capitalist economy, the gov’t doesn’t get involved in such economic enterprises.
Your example of your ownership of private personal goods (house, car, TV) has nothing to do with communism, which is not about private goods but about rejection of the private possession of economic systems. A TV isn’t an economic system.
Your understanding of socialism, communism and capitalism is not clear. The Liberal Party is far more socialist than capitalist. For example, its refusal to private health care.
The fact that the Soviet Union was a totalitarian system has nothing to do with the theory of communism.
How do you know that ‘the only thing that the Liberals and NDP don’t like about the US..is..jingoism’? How do you know this?
What is jingoism? Is it like the Liberal election ads?
Note what you’ve written – that the Liberals and NDP don’t like capitalism. But, you said that the Libs/NDP were all in favour of free enterprise and a free market? So, which is it?
Criticizing Clinton doesn’t make one anti-American, but have you read the Liberal Party’s outline of ‘Seven Policies’ which they assert that Harper is making, which is “aligning Canadian policy with that of George Bush’s United States’? Now, that’s not simply anti-Bush, but anti-American. Read the seven policies, which are all garbage, which are distortions of the truth, and furthermore, which have nothing to do with the benefit of Canada, but are pure political anti-American propaganda.
These lefties crack me up. Jeeze.
KC, dude! The Liberal devotion to human rights and democracy is on display right now, today, in Caledonia Ontario. You should go check it out. Explain your theories to residents on the Sixth Line, see how they take it.
The Democrat Party (USA) has their devotion to human rights on dislay over Iraq. All those kids turfed out of Saddam’s wonderfull prisons, what a creep Chimpy is eh? And aren’t the Dems all chummy with China and North Korea too? I think so!
KC, at least in terms of the US, you have to understand that what is presently called the “left” is a very recent innovation in American politics.
I won’t go into a polemic, but simply state that down here the “left” was co-opted in the 60s and 70s by the “new left”.
The “old” left in the US could be characterized by Democrats I’ve mentioned before: Truman, Humphrey, John Kennedy.
The new left grew out of radical student body politics and the civil rights movement of the 60s and 70s. And later we all found out that a great deal of operating capital for the new left flowed from the Soviet Union into communist front groups.
It was a very successful attempt at destablizing the traditional culture of the United States. But ultimately failed. Radical student politics, worshipping characters like Che Gueverra, drugs, SNC, the Symbionese Liberation Army, the Weathermen Underground, the Black Panther Party and many others I could name basically challenged the traditional power structure of the US by inflaming youthful idealism.
This is why 20 years ago Democrats who voted for Reagan were saying, “I did not leave the Democratic Party; they left me.”
Today our “left” is carrying a heavy burden influence from radical student body politics. It is not an authentic representation of traditional American Democrats.
And this is why we do not treat it as it if it legitimate. It grew out of a very successful attempt to weaken our country, our culture, and our values.
I can respect contrary opinion -IF- it is based in reality and facts.
The crisis in modern leftist thinking is that its a “Don’t bother me with any facts, my opinion is all you need” approach.
People dedicated to a contempt of facts is a rather negative collection of joyless people.
Today’s modern left.
Bush’s approval rating drops to record low at a whopping 19%, Not a good Xmas presant for the republican party.
Let’s hows he’s doing then, remember all you heard it here first.
Robert, “modern leftist thinking”, now, that’s an oxymoron. Let’s try modern leftist feelings. I feel something is right, hence it must be. Look no further than global warming where conclusive scientific papers or the lack thereof is ignored by left. Advancing their agendas requires no facts.
I’ve noticed a pattern over that past few years that the most fact and logic challenged people, look no further than lefty sites like Kos or DU, that filter and base reality on emotions are almost always Dems/Libs.
As far as I’m concerned the Democrats abandonment of Joe Lieberman, a liberal who is tough on terrorism, speaks volumes on how useless and marginalized they have become.
And, KC, America’s response to our unprovoked attack on 9/11 is hardly jingoism anymore than Roosevelt’s response to Pearl Harbor was an act of imperialism. It’s what happens when you slaughter 3000 of our citizens. Thank God that we have the spine and the means unlike Europe to go after the Islamofascist scum where we can best access them.
You’ve got me there Penny.
Feelings….nothing more than feelings………
I find the Democratic party’s choice of bedfellows indeed revealing and disturbing. More than Michael Moore, who can properly be dismissed as an arrogant, hypocritical windbag, I was particularly disturbed by the Dem’s embrace of the “Reverand” Al Sharpton. If one digs into his track record as a political activist one finds a disturbing trail of slander, vitriolic anti-semitic racism and violence (including inciting a ginned-up mob in burning out a Jewish shopkeeper in the Bronx). All of it is excused simply by his skin color and the usual tired pleas of group victimhood. The Republicans by contrast have embraced people such as Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice who have achieved their positions by merit and incidentally happen to be black. Which of the two parties can legitmately expect the support of responsible adults? I know which one I’d support.
“the NDP and Liberal Parties support free enterprise” in the sam eway they support free health care and educatuion.
Notice it was the Communist News Network that carried it owned by wealthy socialist and eco-freak TED TURNER who was once married to HANOI JANE
KC can’t comprehend private property, therefore he can’t understand Kate’s right to exclude illogical and malicious comments.
There are facts and there’s truth. The problem with the left is facts and truth aren’t related.