Just keep on digging that hole deeper, and getting more and more distant from reality, Leftist moonbats. You've doing nothing more than hurting your own cause--but maybe it's no longer a cause but a form of mental illness.

The Moonbats must devolve into total insanity, it's a natural "evolution."

Just check this out after typing www moonbattery.com/archives/2006/06/glimpses_into_t.html#comments

The Leftist DemocRat moonbats are already predicting that the next election will be rigged by the Republicans. They also fabricate bizzare tales of GWB and OBL as bosom buddies collaborating on eleaborate schemes (that dumb Chimperor)

Never once does it occur to them that they are totally insane and incapable of seeing reality.

Let's see;

Crying wolf
Anti-Americanism
Demonizing Stephen Harper
Fear Mongering
Lying

Sure doesn't appear to me the leadership campaign has done ANYTHING to even soften the LPC's slimy tactics.
There should be a national registry for anyone stupid enough to donate based on this tripe...then we can steer them to the phsycological help they so desparately need!

Oh no, still on about the scary hidden agend of
the US-Style Harper Neo-cons.

Good grief, these people still don't get it.

I actually like the U.S. In fact i'm so fed up with the NPD and the liberals the I wish Alberta would just become a state instead of the province. Canada could be a great country, if it weren't for these parties extreme socialist views. In fact I find that the NDP is now EXTREME left, the libs are the ndp of old, and the conservatives are more of a true centre party.

"I suggest Paul Martin and Bono with their arms wrapped around a doe-eyed Jamaican gang member on the sun-baked, dusty intersection of Finch Avenue West and Jane Street."

Working in Sally Struthers with PM and Boner would give you a perfect trifecta of dipsticks. And make sure they're hugging the gang banger on a gay pride float parked on the corner of said intersection surrounded by 500 lb lesbians decked out in full leather with their perfunctory man-hating small yappy dogs on leashes.

Because that's the only way they're going to steal the NDP's vote.

How about keeping our troops in Afghanistan for another 2 years at george's request.

www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE3/

A "free and fair" election was not held in the United States on Nov. 3, 2004. Voting "irregularities" were widespread, and often concentrated in money-poor areas inhabited by people-of-color. People were illegally turned away from the polls, given misinformation about when/if they could vote, and found that their registrations had disappeared. Additionally, electronic voting machines that were easy-to-hack and had no ability to produce a paper trail were in use in more areas than ever before. Throw in corporate-owned candidates up and down the ticket that provided no meaningful choice, and Nov. 3 2004 really was a sElection.

After the sElection, "third party" candidates attempted to call the powers-that-be on their scams by demanding recounts in several states, and activists worked hard to expose the issues of racist fraud, electronic voting machines, and the generally undemocratic workings of voting in the U.S.

In Illinois, four precinct officials pleaded guilty to vote buying in the 2004 general election and five more people are awaiting trial on these charges. Also, an election official pleaded guilty to forging ballots in the 2002 general election.

In Kentucky, seven persons were convicted of vote buying in the 1998 primary in Knott County, two at trial and five through guilty pleas. Another three persons recently were indicted for vote buying for a candidate for the state senate in the 2000 primary in Knott County and neighboring counties. Finally, four persons were convicted by juries of vote buying and related offenses in the 2002 general election in Pike County, including the county district judge. Another person also pleaded guilty to these charges.

In New Hampshire, two political party officials and another person were indicted on charges relating to a scheme to prevent voters from getting to the polls in the November 2002 general election by jamming phone lines of local organizations. Two of the defendants pleaded guilty to telephone harassment charges and the third is awaiting trial for conspiring to violate the right to vote for federal officials and other related offenses.

In Kansas and Missouri, three Kansas residents have been convicted, one in Kansas and two in Missouri, of voting in both Kansas and Missouri in the 2002 and 2000 elections.

In Florida, 14 non-citizens, including a candidate for the state legislature, pleaded guilty or were convicted at trial of voting-related offenses in 1998 or later elections.

Bannana Republican Party

@Dave J:

Can't agree more with you on that. I've been wishing for all of Canada to join the U.S. ever since I discovered there are other people advocating this. I also tend to agree with your description of where Canada's national parties stand. But I'd place the conservatives at the right-of-center instead of true center. I'd also add the conservatives are now more centrist than they were back in the opposition.

We're not making this stuff up. We're not allowed to.

"How about keeping our troops in Afghanistan for another 2 years at george's request."

How about at the request of the UN & the Government of Afghanistan !!

We are on a UN sanctioned mission.

Moronic, childish attempts to "link" with George Bush anything that you don't agree with just shows how pitiful is your argument.

Time to get a real life

Do I get beer and popcorn if I donate to the LPOC?????
Actually, the voting irregularities listed above sounded just like the scams pulled by the LPOC in the last election. But we didn't get a free ticket on a large screen TV like they did in Missinnippi Mills or double votes like they almost got in McLellan's riding in Edmonton! Does this mean the LPOC is more like the Americans than they admit?

"of said intersection surrounded by 500 lb lesbians decked out in full leather with their perfunctory "

indeed. this aint no stereotype.

why do so many butch dykes look like balding overweight middle aged men? why dont the fem dykes just hook up with one of them instead, they might have a lot more money ferinstance.

gripe gripe gripe about unfair treatment and then buy into some looooong established mode of appearance and behaviour.

"of said intersection surrounded by 500 lb lesbians decked out in full leather with their perfunctory "

indeed. this aint no stereotype.

why do so many butch dykes look like balding overweight chain smoking middle aged men? why dont the fem dykes just hook up with one of them instead, they might have a lot more money ferinstance.

gripe gripe gripe about unfair treatment and then buy into some looooong established mode of appearance and behaviour.

well this is interesting.

I cut & paste a quote from the other posting aaaaand

get hung up on some 'abuse' filter.

no swear words, no initiated personal attacks, etc etc
but Im tagged as abusive. far out.

I agree with the new definition of the three parties. The NDP have 'lefted' themselves into a union-soaked, socialist oblivion. The Liberals have set themselves up as the latte-soaked, postmodern relativist, marijuana-hazed sophists. The Conservatives are centre right.

neutralsam is a brain-addled troll.

The Liberal brochure is a propaganda outrage. I received one from my MP, the vapid Bill Graham, asking me to sign a petition against Harper. The petition was to be sent to his office, postage paid. I sent him a vicious letter, for which I rather than the taxpayer paid.

I think people should write to the Liberal Party admonishing them for their anti-Americanism and outright lies. I sure am going to.

Where is the Tsunami money?

"In the last 100 days, of the Stephen Harper Government": SANITY! The SANITY is getting havd to take; we're just not used to it.

Check out these shirts, www.cafepress.com/mookusaki
This is how I feel about the political parties as an American and now also a Canadian citizen

"They really ought to put that last "Liberal Save the Canada Fund" plea to video - I suggest Paul Martin and Bono with their arms wrapped around a doe-eyed Jamaican gang member on the sun-baked, dusty intersection of Finch Avenue West and Jane Street."

Kate, This is the funniest thing I have read all day. Thanks for the chuckle!

Exactly, shaken. Where is the tsunami money? Many people have brought this up to the Liberals. They never say a word. It was a bogus offer on their part.

I've sent my letter of complaint about their endless anti-Americanism to MacKinnon, Graham, Robillard, Goodale, McTeague, Martin, Godfrey and Cotler.
I also referred to their manipulative propaganda, filled with misinformation and lies, with regard to that 'list of 7'.

It's really quite stunning to see that they still haven't come up with any understanding of 'what is a policy'. The Liberals have never run on policies. They have only one agenda. Power. And to maintain themselves in power, they have resorted to manipulative propaganda, made up of anti-Americanism and bribes. That's all.
No policies.

Harper's Conservatives have an agenda of the betterment of Canada. Not the power of the CPC. And to achieve this better Canada, they obviously have to have policies. Harper's policies, about a better Canada, are expressed in specific, hands-on, actions, such as lowering the GST, the accountability act, childcare amounts, etc, etc.

There are specific acts; they are not ideologies such as 'anti-Americanism' or 'pro-Canadian'. They are basic actions.

Harper doesn't preach, he doesn't manipulate people with ideological and emotional propaganda. He just sets agendas for Canada, and then, develops basic policies to achieve those agendas.

The Liberals haven't 'clued' in to this mode of governance, because they aren't interested in Canada. They are only interested in power. Their technique to obtain power, is to manipulate the people to vote for them. Then, they will appoint all their friends to key positions..(Radzwanski, Dingwall, etc, etc).

Neutralsam if you like that website I got one on area 52 your gonna love. Oh Oh the world trade towers there's site you just gotta see. I'm thinking the aliens did it. And if you really want to get straight poop go to David Icke. Illuminatey conspiracy.

Probably the Bilderberg group dosn't even like Junior.

Kate---You are close on who is writing this stuff.

Not Michael Moore but the other great "documentary" film maker of our time.... Al Gore.

This quote from Mr. Gore posted at the LPC website in a June 16/06 "article" regarding the recent invitation only lefty love-in at Mount Tremblant:

Mr. Gore urged Canadians to demand that the Conservative government take action to combat global warming.

"I hope you will ensure Canada restores its tradition and moral authority to help us save this," he said. “I hope what has happened in the US won't repeat itself here. I don't think it will. I don't think the Bush-Cheney-Harper administration will last."

Hmmmmmm.. BUSH-CHENEY-HARPER administration eh??

I guess that really got Steve McKinnon and the rest of the troops riled up!!

Apparantly Neutralsam was on the invitation list.

(Shameless pitch/poor pun alert)

All the Gorey details on my blog.

Syncro

This letter**sent out by Steve bad-hair-day-bad-mouth-day-everyday McKinnon**is a total joke, and makes it very clear that THEY LOSE. The LPC loses. They've lost.

The whole letter is about Prime Minister Stephen Harper and his government, for G*d's sake, and says nothing, NOTHING, positive about the LPC's agenda and plans to create a healthy and strong Canada.

Of course, the reason is that they, the LPC, are the reason why Canada is now unhealthy and weak; 13 years of their governance (sic and sick) has eviscerated democracy in the "the true North strong and free." This letter simply underlines this fact, and they're idiots for not realizing this. They're also idiots for their complete misunderstanding that they can't diss the U.S. and George W. Bush and expect to get a hearing from anyone except the left/lib/fem/gay choir they're preaching to.

Steven McKinnon. Wake up. Smell the coffee. Get off your high horse. Get a life. Join the CPC.

You and your party are done like a dinner. There's nothin' there, buddy. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news...

I said i was taking a break, but when i read that one!! "PILLAGING" that's pretty rich coming from Ali-Babba & the 40 theives or should we just start calling them "The Pirates of Canada"
after 13yrs of stealing from the bank of canada (the Canadian Taxpayer)
Ya stevie boy you better stick with the Beer & Popcorn.
...Happy Canada Day Everyone..

About the only thing missing was a dopey anecdote about Americans who travel abroad with Maple Leaf stickers on their luggage or a Yank who ate too much at the all inclusive buffet in Cancun.

Seriously though, Yank bashing has become so pervasive and over-the-top in the LPC that it is actually impeding the Libs return to power. Only one of their leadership hopefuls seems to be even remotely aware of how much of a problem it is. The Liberals recognize that Canadians don't like bigotry but can never connect the dots that lead back to themselves.

Guess who?

"I am a Liberal because I believe the Liberal Party represents Canada at its best: diverse, innovative, fundamentally decent.

I am a candidate for the leadership of the Liberal Party because I believe those values are under very real threat from the most shortsighted and partisan federal government I have seen in my lifetime: the Harper Conservative government.

Together we can make a difference and build a future that benefits all Canadians. We need your help. Join our movement today.

Find out more about me, about our movement, about our party.

The deadline for new members to join the Liberal Party is July 4th 2006. Join now. This party needs you. This country needs you.”

It's Gotta be Bob!!! or Hedy!!!

Syncro

Someone needs to tell Steve MacKinnon that Republican-style 'fixed election dates' are the policy of two Liberal premiers--Ontario's McGuinty and BC's Campbell.

Are they moving their provinces closer to Republicanism, too?

Oh, and while the charge that Harper is too pro-Republican may succeed in opening the wallets among the Liberal donor base, it's unlikely to convince the electorate if it ever comes out of the mouth of Liberal leadership front-runner Michael 'Empire Lite' Ignatieff during an election campaign.

Maybe Mr. MacKinnon needs to re-think his messaging.

Steve MacKinnon has a GIANT head. Everytime I see him, I get distracted by that large noggin.
enough

Neutralsam the problem with those sites that you quoted is they only give half the story.

Lets say for aurgument that there is some truth to what he writes no exagerrations etc.

What did the Dems do. You telling me the party that's home to the Democratic machine politics is dead honest.

Chicago home of Richard J Daly. Last of the Big City Bosses who's son is still mayor of Chicago.

Home to the Teamsters Union. Hoffa ring any bells.
Jimmys son is still Boss of that Union. And didn't they have some friends in a Italian American Social club based out of New York. Darn the name escapes me.

So until someone starts filling us in on the shenanigans that the Dems pulled its all so much hot air.

Call me Bob

(Potato Headed Bobay)

Very clever Kate. I enjoyed this post immensely.

Why bother with satire, when every utterance from these decadent elitists becomes an absurdity. Thanks . Made my day lol (O:}

Where is libluver steved on this subject????

Where is steved on this subject????

Bart F.
The Liberals recognize that Canadians don't like bigotry but can never connect the dots that lead back to themselves.

How true. Just like so called scientists speculating on using elboa virus to kill off mankind to free all the dumb beasts from under the foul dictatorship of mankind.

For some strange reason, these fools seem to think they will be passed over.

In there euphoria over the death of billions, they forget there human as well, & the disease does not discriminate against Socialists & eco-fanatics.

So too the Liberal party congratulates itself as a shining vision of benevolent Teachers. Trying to usher in an age of Utopia. By social control & moral relativism. All designed for a perpetual ruling elite of liberals with nothing but graft & delusions as ideals.

This is of course all based on many a false premise. An obvious lack of human nature, hierarchy or political structure. Its all feel good warm fuzziness, until the real results of there meddling madness accrue.

After 13 years of systematic looting of this Nation by these post modern nobles. The moral sink hole devised to create a NEW society. By overturning any decent behavior civilization has known works for thousands of years. All for power eternal, by this group of would be clay gods. Whom are just petty greedy swine. With no ideals nor morals. Who worship power for powers sake. They have learnt nothing.

I would do the same for the Dems if they were in power.

The whole system in the states has to be cleaned up. But as you can see from the posts most here can't count passed two(2) so they automatticly have to pick the only other choice they know.

Small minds, but fertile because of all the bull.

Most are stuck on Fox so they know little of whats happening in the world.

Liberal Party! Can they be serious?!?

Please explain to me how a party can be returned to power after they have appointed! a made member of the Bonanno crime family to an important official post?!!!

Can anyone who actually knows something about the US envision in your wildest dreams what would have happened if, say, Robert Reich was proven to be a made member of one of New York's organized crime families?? You talk about something out of Fellini! It would have made the Monica Lewinsky scandal look like an elementary school tiff.

The party responsible would have suffered such devastating losses that they would probably never recover.

Sure, we have some of these mob guys trying to contribute to some campaigns. (Try to follow the money with forme NJ Senator "The Torch" Toricelli, for example. But he was elected and the money was covert.

It's amazing that the Liberal Party would even be willing to remind people that they exist.

"RE-ENVISIONING NORTH AMERICA"
Before Harper was elected, I used to regulary call for Alberta statehood. I shut up when he became PM, because I believe in what he is trying to do, and believe that he offers Canada a new direction. (Could we coin the idea of "Fabian conservatism"?) And so I think there may be a chance for a reversal of many of the foibles that have developed since Trudeau.

However, I must say that I believe it is time for visionaries in Canada and the US to begin to consider a new vision of what is best for North America. I think we need to stop being "UN centric" and become "North America centric".

The success of capitalism and technology is racing us toward a new destiny with huge numbers of ideological enemies who are willing to use military force.

I think it is important for all of us to reconsider the fact that North America is going to have to stand strong and united in the world where people try to use internationalism to disrupt our cultural, historical, and economic direction.

I think it is time to recognize that sibling rivalry is now on the wrong side of history.

My family has been in what is now the United States since the days of Plymouth Rock, and on the other side, I have Cherokee blood. So my ancestors, like many of yours, were on this continent back in the days when we were all still citizens of the crown.

I think it is time for us to begin to envision a North America that recognizes its mutual interrelatedness and shared origin and destiny.

Gee, I didnt know that a disdain for George Bush, the Republican Party, and the NRA makes one "anti-American". By that logic, you yourself were "anti-Canadian" until the Liberals were defeated on January 23rd, and I have been "anti-Canadian" ever since then.

Anti-Republican =/= Anti-American

neutralsam said:
"Most are stuck on Fox so they know little of whats happening in the world."
I say better to be stuck on Fox than stuck on stupid.

I think it was the Toronto Star that had a good editorial last week.
Lets see how did that go "Mr.Dither's VS Mr.Decision"
"Harper has done more for Canada in 6Months then the Liberals did in 13yrs"

*Pet Peeve*

Heavens, you'd think they would know better. Donations are tax creditable... not tax deductible. CRA has been after charities for years for using this misleading statement.

Most are stuck on Fox so they know little of whats happening in the world.

You're so right sonofsam!

Just don't spoonerise "Stuck on Fox" or I might think you're a capitalist.

Never crossing their feeble minds, the Liberals in forming a comeback on all things anti-American, forget one big thing:

Two-way trade between Canada and the United States has more than doubled in value since the signing of the NAFTA in 1994. We are each other's largest trading partner, with US$1.2 billion in trade now crossing the Canada-US border every single day. An important part of the bilateral trade is energy. Canada is the largest supplier of oil, natural gas and electricity to the United States.

www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/can-am/washington/trade_and_investment/energyrel050328-en.asp

I've been out in the sun and picking up my dear doggy's ashes (RIP, old buddy), so am late onto this thread, except for a very early post.

As soon as I read "A "free and fair" election was not held in the United States on Nov. 3, 2004," I thought "neutralsam."

Am I a genius or is this just a totally predictable and educated guess????

I just did a post on this letter myself. See it at my site.

Plus a number of other good posts just today, as I finally relax from the past two crazy weeks at work. I'm once again targeting the Librano$$$.

The Librano$$$ are getting very desperate. This reminds me of Small Fartin's hail Mary passes towards the end of the last election campaign.

I'm smelling Librano blood again. They know they're bleeding out from coast to coast. The Conservatives are now up to 42% here in the Maritimes, 46% in NB.

Well, the Librano$$$ dug their own grave, after all. Why don't they just lie in it already and spare Canada this sorry spectacle of a dying has-been organization in denial of its slow, painful death throes?

Hey, Librano$$$: (sticking out tongue, blowing raspberry)! >:p:::

Greg :

I think we need to stop being "UN centric" and become "North America centric".

Nicely put. You see the real macro view of the near future. I might add if we don't I doubt we will survive long. Some good news though.

Alberta (Ralph Klein) has signed an agreement to facilitate workers between borders.

The beginning of a free flow work force. That may end the big shortage of workers & having to import slave labor (From my viewpoint anyway. Take people from a hell like Africa. Pay them zilch. Than have them live in paradise, quickly fly em back to hell after six months.)to fill vital positions. Besides it widens the tax base & keeps cash here.

I figure a lot of folks will stay as well here & that’s good too.
Other provinces will benefit in many ways.
Competition from other workers can only make it better. Look at the Provinces, where too there shame they have a large unemployment rate yet have too import workers. Competition by other trades can only bestir them back to a work ethic.

On most of my trips to Canada recently I had begun to think the media was right and we really were hated by nearly all Canadians. The TVs in my rooms seemed to be on a taped loop of anti-Americanism. People who were aware of my origin either tried to console me for having to live in such a horrible country or whispered a secret affection for my homeland as if he might be snatched up by a secret policeman if we were overheard. I can't tell you what a relief your last election was to me personally. I look forward to spending some more time up there now, rather than dreading it like a walk through a minefield.

Well, TBinSTL, Welcome to Canada!

Our best friend and ally is the good old U.S. of A. (God bless her and all who live in her!!), and until the Librano$ came along, you were held in high esteem.

You still are by most Canadians. So spread the news that most of us have a soft spot in our hearts for our American brothers and sisters. United we stand, divided we fall.

Let's stick together.

... now Dryden has ripped off his mask... Big Booby Rae and him are mixing it up at the red line... ooops... tha' should be the blue line... and there comes Hedy with the Jerseys' sweater this time ( can't keep up to hers wardrobe)... cross the blue line... puck in front of her, puck now behind her ... theres the whistle...

Well, Don, waddya think so far? ... The frenchy will win, Deeon.

Well, Ken... waddy you say???

"When I was a goalie for the Montreal Canadiens, did I play goalie like Mike Palmateer or like Doug Favell where I was bouncing from side to side, and twenty feet out of my net and racing back and diving, flipping? No. Did how I play work for the team I played on? Ya, it worked pretty well.

I mean you are what you are." via kinsella

Damn! That letter just reminded me...I happen to live in LaSalle-Emard (Paul Martin's riding). Last week, I got some propaganda in the mail from his constituency office listing off on how the Conservative government has failed to live up to issues of "accountability."

At the time, I just snickered a little and threw it out. I wish I had of kept it so I could share it with you folks.

How can anybody criticize Americans.
-In 1953 the CIA started Operation Phoenix, a program of torture and murder of civilians in Vietnam.
Me and new sycophant on the block are proud to stand beside our neighbours.
- The CIA created, trained and managed Iran's dreaded SAVAK secret police which tortured and murdered countless people.
Don't listen to the muted, accusatory whispers TBinSTL, hold your head high.
-Amnesty International cites the United States as the largest international supplier of electro-shock weapons to governments that practice electro-shock torture. $3 million worth of electro-shock devices were sold to Saudi Arabia in 1990.
I'm sure they're just jealous of your freedom spreadin ways!

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THANK YOU.

Your stupidity is so immense that it will (hopefully) allienate the rest of doubting Canucks, the rest of these poors souls who are still shaking at the mere possibility of anyone but Comrades Liberals (staring with the Commie here himself PET) to be in the governemnt.

If they actually follow the Crook Party (Libs) most of them - assuming some intelligence and some backbone - will kill the party.

At least I hope so.

A

Hey joebaloni:

What, exactly, is your point? Is it that foreign intelligence services do things that would turn the stomaches of any ordinary person (no matter what their country of origin - even America)...well, thanks for the update.

I, personally, have no knowledge of the incidents you speak of. But, I am willing to believe them...it still doesn't shock me and it doesn't make me want to jump on board your anti-American bandwagon.

Intelligence services commit attrocities. And I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that the CIA actually rates fairly low on the level of attrocities when compared to those of other countries. The Americans tend to be more focused in their targetting than say the KGB/NKVD which killed (by conservative estimates) 70 million of their own people during their reign.

I also notice that you fail to put the "points" you mention in any kind of context. In 1943, only Russia was communist. In 1953, two-thirds of the world was under communist control. And in NONE of these countries was communism arrived at democratically...it was always a takeover by a few with Russian-supplied weapons. The American response may indeed have been excessive. But, in context, it is somewhat understandable.

I'll admit that CIA actions like the staged coup against Salvador Allende - a democratically elected communist - are not bright spots on the American record...but no one ever said that the means of carrying out a political agenda was pretty. And these people didn't have the benefit of hindsight...they were dealing with a perceived threat of the time.

I would also respectfully point out to you that you and I can discuss bad things that the CIA does precisely because the American system (that the CIA works to preserve) allows you and I to find out about such actions and discuss them. In any other country, the state would work to make sure that people who knew of such things were dead long before the word could get out.

As the American are so fond of saying, "Our [their] system is not perfect - But, it sure as hell beats whatever is in second place."

Maz 2, you know the old joke about Nazi Germany - there were 3 personal characteristics in Germans in 1933-1945 (in case you need exact dates). Honest, intelligent and Nazi. Problem was that any given German only had 2 of these characteristics.

You know, Liberals remind me of the same. I have immigrated here 16 years ago from a Communist country. Libs today are a cancer Canada needs to eradicate in order to resurrect its past greatness (see WW2 1930-1945 in case you need a history lesson).

I see 2 ways for you - become intelligent and as per definition you cease to be a Lib - or emigrate to a Lib (read Commie) friendly country such as North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, maybe Mexico (depends on Sunday's elections), or of a slightly different stripe Iran, Russia, Libya, or even Saudi Arabia (ok that is a stretch).

If you ever do please drop me a line to andy12489@yahoo.com and I gladly pay your ticket - one way only:-).

Cancer kills and Lib caustic ideology kills too.

Regards and cheers

Andy

"Amnesty International" is one of the most lefty agenda driven organizations on the planet. Like the UN and the ACLU, they are legends of moral authority only in their own minds.

Check out the French and Russians if you want to focus on big time weapons merchants.

People who cherry pick old history for isolated wrong doing, then, extrapolate that the whole country/agency is no good forever must come from the dysfunctional family model where mom had an affair once and is beaten to death every night at the dinner table for it while totally obscuring anything else she ever did right.

Grow up.

Sorry typo - WWII was 1939 (Sept 1) till 194 (May 8) sorry for the typo. A.

Sorry typo - WWII was 1939 (Sept 1) till 1945 (May 8) sorry for the typo. A.

This post is not directed so much at Joe Baloni as it is toward a lot of Canadian trolls who show up on this site.

Most of the time when Canadian trolls are criticising the US, their point of view does not translate into American concepts about who we are, what we are, or what we have done. I gather that they are intending to speak to other Canadians who share a reference that we don't.

Let me clear up a couple of things.
1. I have never met one American in my entire life who has ever thought that America is perfect. We think America is a very good country with lots of flaws and imperfections.

It often seems that Canadian trolls are challenging the US as if they think Americans believe the US to be perfect, and their pointing out tarnishes. Down here Americans are constantly criticising what's going on, so criticising us for not being perfect does not translate. We don't know what you are talking about.

(While Kate was gone, one troll said to me, "... the dream is over!" Who on earth knows what he was talking about.)

2. Americans do not feel ill will toward Canada if Canada prefers socialism.

We think it is very inadvisable. We think it is a deleterious economic system. We think it spells nothing but disaster for the people of Canada.

However, if Canadians want to be socialist, that's fine with us.

One gets the impression that trolls think that Americans are critical of Canadians because some of them have socialistic views. Only nerds like me ever even think twice about the idea that some Canadians might prefer socialism.

So there is no antagonism from this direction if you want more socialism in your system than we like. Any criticisms of us because of such a preference simply don't translate. We don't care.

If you want to criticise us, you at least need to learn enough about us to know what would mean something, rather than sending messages that only baffle us.

Well said Greg...

Just please don't over-generalize and think that ALL Canadians are anti-American or want more socialism. It's just that the triangle between Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa pretty much control the rest of the country. It's not even that these people like socialism per se. They just like being able to lay back and tax the other parts of the country that are doing well and give the proceeds to themselves under the guise of "social justice".

I would say that an under-represented number of Canadians are pro-capitalist and pro-US. It's just that the majority of them live in either Alberta or have moved to the US. Millions of 'em.

Well said Greg...

Just please don't over-generalize and think that ALL Canadians are anti-American or want more socialism. It's just that the triangle between Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa pretty much control the rest of the country. It's not even that these people like socialism per se. They just like being able to lay back and tax the other parts of the country that are doing well and give the proceeds to themselves under the guise of "social justice".

Imagine, if you will, what it would be like if California had the power to decide who ruled the US - and to hell with what any other American thought. I dare say that the US would be a lot like Canada is today. (I live in Montreal and was in California (L.A.) for a few months last year. The similarities shocked me.

Anyway that scenario pretty much describes what it's like with the Montreal-Toronto-Ottawa triangle.

I would say that an under-represented number of Canadians are pro-capitalist and pro-US. It's just that the majority of them live in either Alberta or have moved to the US. Millions of 'em.

ummm Joe Baloni, electoshock torture or electro shock therapy? Come on. Are you going to tell me that these other countries are as dim witted as you and are incapable of manufacturing their own "electroshock torture devices". I'd tell you how to build one for 20 bucks but I'm afraid you'd hurt yourself.

When you lefties are making this stuff up, don't you bother to go get your mothers to proof read it for common sense.

The Liberals may be crooks and hypocrites, but their message will ring true to many Canadians. If Harper thinks that he can pull off an anschluss with the Americans and not suffer any political repercussions then he is seriously deluded. Furthermore, the majority of Canadians will not support a government that wants us to be a Mini-Me of the Americans. Don’t forget that despite running against a scandal plagued and indecisively led Liberal party, the Conservatives only managed a weak minority. The public is wary of Harper and will turn on him in a flash if he has a hidden agenda.

Anti-US feelings in this country don’t mean hatred of Americans and all things American (although perhaps for some radicals it might), but it means most people don’t want to be a part of the US. Those Canadians who think that this country is too "socialistic" are free to emigrate to the US. Otherwise, if you’re campaigning for union with the US, you are a traitor.

Americans... please note.

Do not be offended. There is no general dislike of US citizens in Canada.

There is a mistaken thought on the part of the Liberal Party of Canada that Bush bashing gives them that independant fiesty quality that Canadians love to vote for.

The 1820s have long gone and the combative dislike for American musketeers has long dissipated as well.

Please pay no attention to a disgraced and defeated Liberal Party of Canada.

I worry that the Liberals may fade away completely. We do need them to split the vote of our National Dipstick Party.

The NDP are a sort of socialist / communist mix who would provide every citizen with every service for free. All free services would be paid out of corporate profits and our natural resources.

We would all become 450 pound state dependants until the economy crashed. Then we would all enjoy going straight, living on bread and water until we got used to working again. Utopia! TG

Talking about crooks
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Iberia, lay off "the majority of Canadians will not support a government that wants us to be a Mini-Me of the Americans."

Nothing Mini-Me about PMSH and the CPC; they want to end the Librano corruption and return Canada to an honourable, free-enterprise country where honesty, integrity, hard work, and generosity toward friend and neighbour are rewarded not trashed. They want to put an end to welfare bums, corporate and otherwise, to blind Librano-initiated Trust/Slush funds, and rampant cronyism. It can't be done overnight.

I might remind you that PMSH won a minority government despite the MSM being a battering ram against him and his party FOR YEARS.

I truly resent the implication that if the CPC, out of principle, does something similar to another democracy, i.e., the U.S., it is assumed that they are Copy Cats. What stupidity; what a lack of logic. This drive-by smearing of Stephen Harper as the Mini-Me of George W. Bush is highly insulting to not only Prime Minister Harper's innate and not-to-sneer-at smarts but also to all of us who voted for him and his party.

I'm not stupid. I wouldn't vote for a Mini-Me Dubbya (and that's not a slight against the American President). I voted for Stephen Harper on his record, on the fact that he's not a hot-shot, get-rich-quick-on-the-taxpayer lawyer, on the fact that he's smart and has a vision to take Canada out of the Depth of Despond we've been dragged into by the shifty, shady, Librano$.

Don't slag our leader, Iberia, by cheap shots about being George W. Bush's twin. It's a lazy, no-brain, cheap, drive-by tactic. Come up with some substantive criticisms and back them up, and then maybe I'll listen.

BTW, HAPPY DOMINION DAY! AND GOD BLESS CANADA!

i've said it before and i'll say it again. it is possible to despise bush and his govt but not be anti-american. i don't think anyone who has examined american foreign policy over the last 50 years can honestly excuse the us from some criticism. i like plenty of americans but i don't always like america.

new kid:

What's your point? You attack me for saying Canadians wouldn't vote for a Mini-Me Bush, then you turn around and say you wouldn't either.

Harper's record as a PM has yet to be determined. A year from now we will have a clearer picture. However, going by his past record, there are some things which he supported as President of the NCC which he is downplaying now (ie. privatized health care) which he is keeping very quiet on now. You might think that this is an example of his "inate and not-to-sneer-at-smarts"; I think it's shifty and shady. Either he was not honest about what he supported as NCC President or he's being not honest now.

Iberia, 'not your fault, I guess, if you have a processing problem.

You're right. I did say that I wouldn't vote for a Mini-Me Bush and I also rejected your equating Stephen Harper with George Dubbya. Agreeing with you on the first point does not mean that I agree with your second point, that PMSH is a Mini-Me Bush.

IMHO Prime Minister Stephen Harper is NOT a Mini-Me Bush, a position I stated and backed up, and I voted for him. I voted for him, Iberia, just in case you still haven't understood, BECAUSE PMSH IS NOT, I REPEAT, NOT A MINI-ME BUSH.

Now that I've made myself perfectly clear, I'd also like to make it clear that I was not "attacking" you. Disagreeing with you, yes, attacking you, no. I don't attack people's viewpoints; I disagree and then back up my opinion.

I don't think that you have "attacked" me because you disagree with me, and I appreciate that you have given some evidence of your distrust of PMSH.

Though I disagree that PMSH's wanting to look at alternative plans to the lousy one that the Librano$ drove into the ground, while all the while insisting that our "wonderful" health care plan is second to none on the planet (people are dying, Iberia, who are relying on this wonderful plan), you're entitled to your opinion.

My opinion? PMSH's looking at alternatives to our lousy "universal" (sic) health care plan boosts my estimation of his smarts and definitely does not make him a Mini-Me Bush. I hope you can follow my logic here, Iberia.

HAPPY DOMINION DAY, EH?!

Canada-USA: Partners.

God Bless Canada and the United States of America.

Per Ardua Ad Astra: Through Struggle To The Stars. ( Royal Air Force )

"We have quietly partnered with the Americans on the next generation of space-based telescopes, with the expected launch in six years of the Hubble's replacement." ...-

We're like co-pilots of the Enterprise
Canadian astronomers are stars in the field

Don Martin, National Post
Published: Saturday, July 01, 2006

Before you roll up this newspaper and use it to start a Canada Day campfire, look up into the night sky and consider this: When it comes to astronomy, Canada is the world's brightest star.

We have been and will continue to be the first country to view the outermost fringes of the universe, capturing numerous blue ribbons with initial discoveries of the first black holes beyond our galaxy to the largest twin stars.

Canada gets more citations in scientific papers than any other country, is a partner in some of the world's largest and most ambitious telescopes for the next generation of star tracking and churns out huge numbers of sought-after astronomy graduates to feed a growing demand to penetrate the final frontier. ...-
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13330.11

There is an American Family picnic being held at the Ranchmans tomorrow to acknowledge the American contribution and celebrate the Fourth with all of the US citizens that live in Calgary.

I'm going to be there.

new kid:

"What stupidity; what a lack of logic."

"It's a lazy, no-brain, cheap, drive-by tactic."

Not an attack on me, eh? Hmmm.

I didn't say Harper was a Mini-Me Bush, I said: "the majority of Canadians will not support a government that wants us to be a Mini-Me of the Americans." Which is true.

Anyway, I'm going to "process" some burgers and beer. Happy Canada Day!

Iberia: I never in any of my posts said "what stupidity." 'Careful when quoting; it has to be done accurately, or what you have to say loses total credibility. It's below the belt to put (the wrong) words in people's mouths and the surest way to lose a debate.

Yes, I did say "Don't slag our leader, Iberia, by cheap shots about being George W. Bush's twin. It's a lazy, no-brain, cheap, drive-by tactic." I'll stand by my comments and reiterate that I don't see them as "an attack." I used lively language to comment on the quality of THE TACTIC you had just used to criticize PMSH. Freedom of speech and all that.

I'm figuring you're either a dyed-in-the-wool liberal or younger than 40 to consider that the use of lively and spirited speech is "an attack." I'm surprised you didn't tell me to stop yelling at you.

I am neither attacking you nor yelling at you; I'm just giving you a verbal run for your money. You used pretty strong language with "Mini-Me of the Americans," "an anschluss with the Americans," "Those Canadians who think that this country is too 'socialistic' are free to emigrate to the US," "traitors," etc., and I have not accused you of "an attack."

Be careful of calling Wolf/"attack," Iberia. If you think my posts have been attacks you don't know what a real fight is.

BTW, Iberia, enjoy your beer and burgers.

Happy Dominion Day!

I would not send them a single penny

Perfect reply, new kid. I fully agree with you.

By the way, I dislike it when someone tells me that if I 'don't like it here' (eg because Canada is too socialist) then I am 'free to emigrate to the US'. Essentially, these people are rejecting the right to dissent. You may not question, criticize, debate any values. You may only accept the Rule of Socialism. Or get out.

I disagree, strongly, with socialism. Does that mean, according to Iberia, that only those who agree with socialism are allowed to stay in Canada? Since I disagree with socialism, can't I develop what I consider to be a better form of governance? Iberia seems to say 'no'.

And no, Iberia, you don't speak for the majority of Canadians. You can't say 'is true' for any conclusion about the majority of Canadians. You can only speak for yourself. I personally, have no objection to Canada becoming more like the US.

Why? They are more innovative, have a more robust economy, are more entrepreneurial, have a great deal more debates and dissent, and don't tell people that 'if they don't like it here, then leave'; they permit debate and criticism, they help out the world a lot more. What's wrong with that behaviour?

ET:

Right on target.

Iberia would also be well-advised to look and see just how many people leave their socialistic countries for the US. I'm sure that many of them tried to fight the system in their own countries and finally got tired and did leave because of the "intolerant" label they had been given.

To be fair, many people also leave their countries to come to Canada.

So, then let's compare how many people emmigrate the US (or go to work there under the H1B, TN1, or L1 visa programs) versus those that leave the US for Canada. The overwhelming numbers should be enough to stop Iberia in his steps...but it probably won't.

Well, I don't have the stats, bryceman, but a quick glance at some stats, shows no immigrant from the US to Canada in the investor or entrepreneurial class in the period between 1986 to 2000. That seems to me, to indicate that Canada is not a good place for that mode of business. And, that conclusion fits with a socialist infrastructure which demotes individualism and wants the gov't to set up the industries, or big business from the US to set up franchises.

The only US immigration came from self-employed, and it dropped 2% from 6.8% in the 80's to 4.6% in 1996. Again, that says something about the Canadian economy.

iberia:

the only reason harper has a minority is that canadians are still smarting from our time with brian mulruin in charge.

goddamedest crooked s.o.b. alive in canada. including the conrad black.

the trauma is too recent; give it time, give it time.

I have included a few of his points

3W .torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Coren_Michael/2006/07/01/pf-1662702.html

"Our home and naive land By MICHAEL COREN

Canada Day. Denial Day. Complacency Day. A day for playing with fireworks while the country burns.

Wave the flag. Wave a cloth adorned with a piece of vegetation in the colours of the Liberal Party, one with little tradition and less meaning.

.... Claim to respect diversity but be horribly intolerant of anybody who resists the liberal status quo.

....Blithely pay $20 million a week to the CBC so that ludicrously biased people can tell us about what our own country means. Allow unions there and elsewhere to dictate national policy without any democratic or constitutional right.

No. Many Canadians have seen through the facade of double standards in broadcasting as well as the extremism of so many in the labour movement.

Satirize the United States and comfort and define ourselves by what we are not. Hate the best neighbours a nation could have, knowing they will respond with kindness.

...Pay tax after tax and yet see education and health care deteriorate before our very eyes. Never look at the authentic causes of gangs and violence because they may reveal dangerous truths.

No. Many Canadians now want to keep their own money and do not trust the government to spend it. Nor do they believe the politicians and their explanations about inner-city crime.

Canada Day. Kill God, kill man and kill truth. No.

Save the country. Not from others, but from itself. It's up to you, the many Canadians, even if you don't yet know it."

...back from the beer, etc.

new kid:

July 1,10:09 am, fourth para down, "What stupidity; what a lack of logic." Really, I did not making it up. On the other hand, I was just voicing my opinion with my original remarks, not launching an attack on anyone specifically. BTW, I'm over 40 and hate the Liberals (also don't trust the Cons and am frustrated with the NDP). Just think of me as a political cynic.

ET:

"By the way, I dislike it when someone tells me that if I 'don't like it here' (eg because Canada is too socialist) then I am 'free to emigrate to the US'. Essentially, these people are rejecting the right to dissent. You may not question, criticize, debate any values. You may only accept the Rule of Socialism. Or get out."

or,

"...and don't tell people that 'if they don't like it here.'"

Hey, I was just paraphrasing that that wonderful right-wing slogan so often heard in the US during the Viet Nam war: "America, love it or leave it." Yeah, that's right..."accept the Rule of Socialism. Or get out." I guess that even America suffered under the socialist rule of LBJ and Nixon.

Your problem, ET, is that EVERYTHING is socialism to you. Look in the dictionary for the true definition. In fact, I'll cut and paste it for you.

socialism >noun a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

How many countries in the world are like the definition above?

While you and some of the other right-wing posters here might think that the US is the best place on earth to live, independent surveys beg to differ:

3w.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml?idContent=1173105

Notice which cities are considered best...those in western ("socialist") Europe and ("socialist") Canada. And this isn't a UN survey either. The top US city is Honolulu at 27th place.

Perhaps when some money and effort is spent on those people who are disadvantged and when the labour class is treated fairly, ALL of society benefits. If you consider that as "socialism" then I pity you, Ebenezer.

lberia,

"Perhaps when some money and effort is spent on those people who are disadvantged and when the labour class is treated fairly, ALL of society benefits. If you consider that as "socialism" then I pity you, Ebenezer."

Can you tell me who is disadvantaged? Leave out those who want to portray themselves as victims, drug addicts, criminals etc.

Labour class treated fairly? How about everyone treated fairly ... including those that foot the bill. I suppose that is considered too conservative.

Usually when I'm paying for lunch, I like to choose the restaurant and order what I want.

Right on, ural.

Iberia: I guess I did say "What stupidity," and I guess I'll stand by it. The alternative is to apologize for it, however I find I can't do that. Sorry for that!

You had just made the comment "the majority of Canadians will not support a government that wants us to be a Mini-Me of the Americans." I stand by "what stupidity" because your assumption here is that PMSH and his CPC are in the throes of making Canada a Mini-Me of Americans or that they are heading us in this direction. Frankly, a stupid, wrong, and condescending assumption on your, and many leftists', part.

The lazy wo/man's critique of PMSH and the CPC is to push the anti-American button, and I'm truly sick and tired of it. As I said earlier, simply because two people/groups agree on something doesn't make one of them a Mini-Me of the other.

Happy July 2! 'Hope the beer and burgs were good!

iberia - don't try to get out of responsibility by the old default tactic of 'hey, I was just copying what someone else said'.

YOU were the one who was claiming that if you don't like it here, then, leave. You, alone, must take responsibility for that statement. So what if it was a copy of what someone said in another time and another space - and I'm pretty sure that was said in multiple eras and places. YOU made the choice. I'm tired of people telling me that if I don't like socialist Canada I can leave. I'm also tired of default anti-Americanism.

If human beings in different countries, using reason and logic, come to the same conclusion about the benefits of certain policies, that doesn't mean that the one is copying the other. It doesn't mean that Canada is copying the US, or the US is copying..whoever. It means that they both use reason, logic, and evidence, and come to the same conclusion.
Just as they are both democracies.
Just as they are both able to add 2 and 2 to get 4.

Perfect, ural. I'm fed up with yet another default mode of socialism, which is the endless victimology. Who, iberia, is disadvantaged in Canada? The ones who are taxed to the smithereens, to give handouts to the welfare economy? And it's an economy. It supports a host of gov't paid, unionized social workers. And a host of people who have no intention, ever, of getting a job. But who live, quite nicely, thank you, on our taxes. Don't talk to me about who is disadvantaged.

I'm fed up with the fact that taxes are so high that Canada can't develop its own investor class and must allow all its basic infrastructures of industrial dev't to be owned and developed by non-Canadians.

And iberia, don't move into the equally fallacious tactic of 'either someone is fully X or it is not X'. Because Canada isn't fully socialist doesn't mean it isn't primarily socialist. It's socialist and it's been going downhill for decades. Finally, we have a chance to turn the train around.

It appears that the Canadian media and Left wing Canadian politicians on the hunt routinely use the USA to whip themselves into all kinds of political delusions.

The same is true all over the world but Canada is unique because of the fact that Americans and Canadians are family, friends, neighbours, business partners and military allies.

Personally, I would really like Canadians to know that it is very unlikely Canada and the USA would ever unite as a nation. Canadians and Ottawa like the status quo and no one would ever raise the subject in the American Congress because Canadians are the ones who must take the steps necessary to join the USA. The steps to statehood are clearly defined. I think Texas is the only state that was also a nation and not a territory first. Congress would certainly NOT welcome any new Senators or Congressman from Canada unless they take all the necessary steps and come willingly and with the best interests of the USA first.

And so Canadians should rest assured that it is Ottawa, not Washington, in control of our political fate and that of our nation.

Unfortunately, the political system in Canada is corrupted and not equitable but that is not any fault of the Americans.

IMHO for Canada one of the worst results from this inequity has been the brain drain south. We spend a lot of money to educate people and then lose them. I think cherry picking the third world doctors etc. to replace those professionals we have lost is not the right thing to do. India etc. also needs their doctors.

Just as a side note, I rarely see President Bush given the respect of being addressed by his correct title and name even on Conservative blogs like sda. It is always Bush, or Dubya, or worse. IMHO, it is a lapse of manners and protocal that lowers the level of debate and the one who uses derogatory terms and names for the American President or for the Canadian Prime Minister that are not relevant to their point.

Hear! Hear! concrete. I will, from now on, refer to George W. Bush, who is the President of the United States, as President Bush or President George Bush.

Point well taken.

new kin (kid?):

Beer and burgs were great, thanks...more of the same today.

"...because your assumption here is that PMSH and his CPC are in the throes of making Canada a Mini-Me of Americans or that they are heading us in this direction. Frankly, a stupid, wrong, and condescending assumption on your, and many leftists', part."

I can't read his mind, so statements like these make me believe this:

"[Y]our country [the USA], and particularly your conservative movement, is a light and an inspiration to people in this country and across the world."

(June 1997 Montreal meeting of the Council for National Policy)

or

"Continental economic and security integration" with the U.S. as well as a "continental energy strategy" that should be broadened "to a range of other natural resources."

Etc.

Google "Harper quotes" and read them for yourself.

ET:

I'm not avoiding responsibility for what I said. I just thought that it was very ironic that you would claim that this ("if you don't like it then get out")is socialist thinking. Is it socialist thinking when right-wingers do it?

There isn't enough space here (or time) to get into who is disadvantaged and who isn't. You and ural obviously feel that no one could possibly be disadvantaged in this country. This is perhaps the most annoying trait of right-wingers: "I'm alright, so screw everyone else." Selfishness is not an admirable trait.

"Who, iberia, is disadvantaged in Canada? The ones who are taxed to the smithereens, to give handouts to the welfare economy? And it's an economy. It supports a host of gov't paid, unionized social workers. And a host of people who have no intention, ever, of getting a job. But who live, quite nicely, thank you, on our taxes. Don't talk to me about who is disadvantaged.

"I'm fed up with the fact that taxes are so high that Canada can't develop its own investor class and must allow all its basic infrastructures of industrial dev't to be owned and developed by non-Canadians."

People don't go on welfare because they think it's a road to riches. Here are the rates in BC:

3w.mhr.gov.bc.ca/mhr/ia.htm#a

And, tax rates in Canada are not much higher than in the US, and about in the middle of world rankings for tax rates:

3w.worldtaxpayers.org/statmarg.htm

So quit your bellyaching, stop the binary thinking and enjoy the long weekend.

Cheers.

PMSH has restored a feeling of pride to be a Canadian that has been absent during 'LE PEITT GAR' and the totally embaressing reign of "Mr. Dithers"

Speaking of Binary thinking--there are 10 people who are binary--those who understand it and those who don't.

It always amazes me that any attempt by PMSH to strengthen Canada's position in the world is somehow taken to be cozying up to GB jr. It is for the good of Canada, the people of Afstan and at the behest of our host from Afstan and the UN we are in Afstan. If our goals and intents happen to coincide with GB jr or the American people it is coincidence not because PMSH is somehow beholden to GB. Face it folks sometimes when I walk down a road I walk with a friend whom I have met on the road. We did not plan to meet nor are we even going to the same place but for a time we are walking together. For many years now Canada and the US have been walking the same road often for the same reason and isn't is nice to be walking with a friend even if at times we disagree?

You got it, Joe! I've been saying the same thing for weeks!!

...make a SMALL donation. Pourquoi you ask?

Just to get on their mailing list and stay in touch with whatever shit their sending out.
Only good liberal is a dead liberal.

Thanks new kid.

It is a small pet peeve of mine to hear CBC refer to Harper and Bush.

It seems to me they get it right when the story is about Prime Minister Trudeau or President Carter and President Clinton.

anti American? hardly.

I have in-laws living in new jersey who were naturalized some 30 years ago.

Ive been to the capital, smithsonian, the metropolitan museum, florida 3 X, buffalo zoo 1/2 dozen times, etc etc.

george dubya bush is a clucking dimwitted sycophantic puppet of big oil.

his administration has brought us decades closer to armageddon. read James Risen's 'state of war'. the pricks GAVE iran deliberately flawed but complete blueprints for a nuke. the soviet 'defector' (double agent) wasnt supposed to open the envelope but he did and coyly advised the iranian contact if they needed 'additional technical assistance' he was available.

buy the book and look up merlin in the appendix.

THAT is why Ive got no use for george dubya. he is such an idiot he doesnt realize how much he is misleading the american public. thats why his speeches are so convincing.

worse than useless.

Re;Liberal leadership,Sitting watching the mottley crew running for leader of the pack is "just about as exciting as sitting looking up a dead horses ass"

Re;Liberal leadership,Sitting watching the mottley crew running for leader of the pack is "just about as exciting as sitting looking up a dead horses ass"

Looks like Michael Moore's writing alright!! I'm so sick of the bleedinghearts (read LPC) Makes me wanna spew! Twice even!!