There’s no small degree of irony in this story – the same “violent mob” of Students Against War who chased military recruiters from the UC Santa Cruz campus last week are now crying foul because Michelle Malkin has published their press release, complete with contact information of the organizers.
UPDATE: SAW has removed the contact information from its press release and is now lying about the fact that it made the info publicly available on the Internet. I am leaving it up. If you are contacting them, I do not condone death threats or foul language. As for SAW, my message is this: You are responsible for your individual actions. Other individuals are responsible for theirs. Grow up and take responsibility.
Well that’s what you get when there’s a son of a nazi overly ambitious can’t speak english wants to be US president marries American royalty B movie actor governor of Caleefornya.
The letter on Michelle Malkin’s excellent site, written by a former serviceman to the University, criticizing the students’ rejection of the right of free speech of the military recruiters – is an excellent reply to the students and rebuke to the university.
But, leftist mentalities always reject the rights of anyone but their own. And, their ‘free speech’ is not speech or free; a statement that is immune to debate is not free speech; it’s dogma. The military have the right to recruit, and other students have the right to access that military.
Ahh, the isolate Cave-Mentality of the Left.
I’d back Malkin on this, as they first put the info out in their p.r. and on the web. She is though, responsible (and she knows it) for setting off a swarm by her readers…
“You will pay for your seditious activities. It is only a matter of
time…We are retired military snipers & we are watching you…
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My sincere hope is that a couple hundred of the local patriots take a
day off work for your next anarchist event, and come down to your
little shithole with some axe handles and bust your fucking heads.
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…one a fine young American very, very soon puts his shiny gun barrel
up to your left temple and pulls the trigger. Now THAT will make
America a much, much better place to live for the rest of us, you
utterly disgusting piece of shit…”
“Well that’s what you get when there’s a son of a nazi overly ambitious can’t speak english wants to be US president marries American royalty B movie actor governor of Caleefornya.”
I love living in a world where we visit the sins of the father on the son.
I don’t necessarily think Arnold should be a politician, but “overly ambitious”? Sorry buddy, but until you have achieved the kind of success he has achieved, I wouldn’t be one to talk. And I’m not talking level of success, I’m talking kind of success. Arnold had three specific goals in life: be the best body builder in the world, become a movie star and marry a Kennedy.
You show me one other person in this world who has had as impossible a set of specific goals as him and achieved every single one of them. I’d rather be him than you.
For a different persprctive…
…or perspective, as the case may be.
Their mob wasn’t violent. Someone’s opinion that they felt the students “wanted” violence doesn’t sit well as fact for me.
Maybe they need to take responsibility for their actions, but condoning death threats as a punishment for those “whiny” leftists isn’t all that cool. For you or MM. And I agree with the above comment, she KNEW that would happen when she posted those numbers. She could not have possibly thought that people would be calling them for innocent interviews. I don’t agree with what she says in general but I never thought she was a complete idiot until now.
At the same time, Freddie, the students themselves had to have at least an inkling of what could happen when they voluntarily made their contact info public and encouraged people to contact them. They’re not children. Crying foul afterward is, indeed,”whiny”.
Surecure,
Well there was Hitler who almost got his 3.
1. Exterminate all Jews.
2. Bring all of Europe under Nazi rule.
3. Destroy the USA.
Does that mean you’d rather be him than me?
And another.
I agree with Michelle and Elle. The students themselves made their contact numbers available. By now crying ‘foul’ they are saying that they expected to receive and accept – only ONE kind of response. A response that is non-dissenting; that agrees with them. Any response that does not agree with theirs – is rejected. That’s why people get angry, because the students refuse to permit other points-of-view. That’s the whole basis of their very public rally- a rejection of other’s rights.
The military has a right to recruit; and students have a right to join the military. These particular students, who oppose war (how noble and how simplistic)are quite wrong in only permitting people on campus, who agree with their view, and in rejecting dissenting views.
Blogwell Fray- Your assertion that A.S. and his views and actions are inadmissable because of his father – is an example of the ‘genetic fallacy’, also known as the ‘bad seed’ fallacy. It’s irrelevant – as are your other points against him. And your ‘a triadic selection of goals’ is bad because Hitler had a triadic set of goals’ – is nonsense. How about some real facts and logical analysis rather than the kind of stuff one can use as ‘Examples of Illogical and Fallacious Thought’.
E.T.
You’re correct, the military has a right to recruit. They have exactly the same right as moonbats, peaceniks and kooks. If things got out of hand and people broke the law then they should be charged and dealt with. Other than that everything else is inconsequential.
I do agree somewhat with the definition of bad seed fallacy, however, there is hard evidence indicating that children are effected by the actions of their parents and do carry this for their entire lives.
Apples really do fall not far from the tree. Unless you have hard proof for your assumptions it is you that is illogical and fallaciuos.
BTW Hitler’s goals may not have been triadic but they certainly were very real.
Can’t believe no one’s commented on the perspective thing here. That is, it’s a great thing to have the kids’names and phone numbers available to people who support their politics, while it’s unconscionable that those same names and numbers would be made available to those who spurn their deeds. Trite point, I suppose, but revealing of us as humans.
“Surecure,
Well there was Hitler who almost got his 3.
1. Exterminate all Jews.
2. Bring all of Europe under Nazi rule.
3. Destroy the USA.
Does that mean you’d rather be him than me?”
Any sane person would see that Hitler failed in all three of those goals. But it’s pretty typical of a mindless lefty moonbat to call someone a nazi twice in the same thread.
The right of the military to recruit was recently addressed in the Supreme Court case of Rumsfeld v FAIR. Simply put, if a school doesn’t want to allow military recruiters on campus all they have to do is give up any and all federal funds they currently receive. Then they can deny the recruiters access.
blogwell fray – please provide hard proof for your assumption that human beings are apples. And that therefore, they behave like apples.
Human beings have the capacity, not merely for mobility of their individual physical being (unlike an apple), but of mobility of their intellectual being (unlike an apple – which doesn’t, to my awareness, have an intellectual capacity-to-reason).
Therefore, human beings can CHANGE their knowledge. That’s why we have such things an ‘inventions’ – which are, by definition, ‘new ideas’ and are most certainly, not linear results of their parental genes.
And, children who use the excuse of ‘my father/mother’ abused/did not love me/ or taught me…are not using that ‘gift of reason’, but instead, acting as mechanical robots. There is hard evidence that children can THINK and change or reject their ‘mechanical programming’.
Your comparison of the military and ‘moonbats, peaceniks and kooks’ is invalid. A false analogy.
The military is a government-funded and supported system. That means, it is an official part of the population’s operational identity. You will find it operational both in times of peace and war.
You can, of course, have an incompetent military, such that it would be overrun by Hitler’s army in four days; or, you can have a competent military, such that it would be a primary contributor to Hitler’s defeat.
Moonbats, peaceniks and kooks are not systems, official or not, but are ‘points of view’, held by individuals who groupie-together. The problem for these points-of-view, is they have to justify themselves, (unlike the military, which is justified by the Constitution) – and, gosh, it’s hard to justify your ‘point-of-view’ when it’s irrational, ungrounded and fallacious right from the start. But, gosh, it’s fun to rant about over a beer.
What’s your point about Hitler’s goals being ‘very real’? Who said otherwise?
Noted there was a fellow canuck – a shaw hispeed subscriber – who was less than kindly in his obscenely racist remarks to MM. Is obscene racism also part of the Canadian anti-war/bush/america/ capitalist/multi-cultural/peace and free speech agenda?
I’m sure his dean and his parents would be proud.
“Well that’s what you get when there’s a son of a nazi overly ambitious can’t speak english wants to be US president marries American royalty B movie actor governor of Caleefornya.
Posted by Blogwell Fray at April 18, 2006 11:48 AM ”
What an idiotic comment. I am sure that Arnie would just as soon “terminate” the moonbat leftie sentiments and the stench they leave behind. It is ironic that this type of mindless demonstration by the anti-war lefties can only occur today because of the courage of many who served their country in the military, fighting for our rights and freedoms.
It would be laughable if not pathetic.
It is ironic that these anti-war punks, who would like to silence those with differing opinions, are able to speak out against whomever they choose, able to protest any cause they deem worthwhile….it is a democratic right…
…a right that people would use violence to defend.
“If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.”
— Harry Truman
Whiny little snots, ain’t they?
Ugly little whiny, snotty, mutual masturbatory fascists if you ask me.
The US SC did not say that you can ban the military if you refuse Federal funds. They said that as the US Govt has the power to compel service, anything less than compulsion of service is a lesser included power. So their minimal compulsion of access tied to funds is legal by inclusion. The court specifically stated that they could mandate access irrespective of usage of federal funds.
As to the protesters’ complaints. Some of them are threats, some of them are simply very unpleasant statements designed to specifically not be threats (I hope/wish someone would hurt you is legally and morally different, though still morally dubious, from saying I’m going to kill you). This is what happens when you organise a very controversial protest and send out a press release. It just highlights the stupidity of the students as they assumed there would be no controversy based on their local community, ignoring the results if this became nationally known.
It would be very, very nice if UCSC, or better yet all of UC, were cut off from fed funds. That would include all federal student grants and loans, not just direct research grants. Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of Maoists.
slightly off topic but maybe PMSH should establish recruiting centers in the schools here. now that would really get the left girating.
Blogwell fray
“overly ambitious”
Nothing worse than an upity Schwarzenegger, eh fray!
ET
I think you and a few others are missing my point.
Which is, what else would you expect from ‘Lotus Land’ culture. Califoria is a world all its own. There is no other place on earth like it and Arnold is its governor.
Do yourself a favour and put down the beer and read a university text on child psychology. Maybe then you’ll understand my analogy.
Wow, you are just humiliating yourself, trodwell flayed.
Can’t believe no one’s commented on the perspective thing here. That is, it’s a great thing to have the kids’names and phone numbers available to people who support their politics, while it’s unconscionable that those same names and numbers would be made available to those who spurn their deeds.
Nobody commented because it is an utterly vapid point. The “kids” put their contact information on the internet for all to see. There wasn’t some super-secret password to keep the bad people from getting to it. The info is either available or it isn’t. You can’t decide after the fact who get a hold of it.
Trite point, I suppose, but revealing of us as humans.
Blogwell, if you are going to criticize Arnold’s English you should at least learn to differentiate “effect” vs “affect.” You used the first where the second is correct — a very common error among those who consider themselves otherwise very literate.
BTW, given all the sympathy given our illegal alien population of late, I would have thought you’d APPRECIATE the fact that Arnold pronounces “California” in the Spanish manner.