It’s the ka-ching! of property values in Saskatchewan rising.
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I’m sure that London is VERY thankful that oil companies in Alberta have been filling their emptying oil wells with water. Perhaps if they increase the amount of water they pump in the ground over the next 100 years, they can save London. 🙂
Fred F
Ah, yes, but weren’t the prairies once covered by a great big sea (No, not the musical group) at one time? Perhaps no place is safe from the ravages of time and nature. 😉
how far can your vehicle get on bullshit fred ?
don’t forget it takes water and oil to grow a bull
Sorry John, but Fred is right. Water injection technology is one of the major ways oil companies increase the amount of oil they can extract from the oil bearing formations. This water is saline water that is extracted from deep water wells that are drilled in the oil patch. This water is then pulled out of the ground and pumped back in through injection wells that are located on each section of land. this forces more oil to be forced out the oil wells surrounding the injection site.
I doubt if even global warming could stop the present loss in population we have here in Saskatchewan, with our present Leftist governments policies.
“I doubt if even global warming could stop the present loss in population we have here in Saskatchewan, with our present Leftist governments policies.”
I am so tired of hearing that. You know why people don’t stay in Saksatchewan? The weather sucks. It’s cold and windy in the winter and warm, windy and mosquitoy in the summer. And I moved to Saskatchewan, I should know.
Yes, totally unlike Edmonton.
The weather in Alberta and Saskatchewan is terrible. God help the other provinces! Province-Territory With Most Comfortable Weather
Rank Province/Territory Points
1 Alberta 22
2 Saskatchewan 20
3 British Columbia 18
4 Ontario 15
5 New Brunswick 15
6 Prince Edward Island 12
7 Yukon Territory 12
8 Nova Scotia 11
9 Manitoba 11
10 Northwest Territories 10
11 Nunavut 9
12 Newfoundland and Labrador 7
13 Quebec 3
I remember the big oil companies yapping about using the saline water and it won’t affect anything in Alberta etc. and yet in a couple years Cold lake water level dropped over 15 feet. how much water you think that is on a lake over 30kms across? you think the workers drank it or used it to shower? once its in those deepwells its gone for our lifetime. working up north we would at times have over 35 truck hauling water for two days straight to one well in a normal drilling procedure. one truck holds more water then most homes use in a month. just do the math. its scary the volume of fresh water used in oil production. brian in alberta
brian:…if memory serves me well, I read that 4 barrels of fresh water are used to produce 1 barrel of synthetic crude at the Oil Sands project. As an aside, it takes 100,000 gals for each automobile produced in Detroit. These industries are certainly thirsty! As you mentioned, this water is gone…and they aren’t making it anymore, only polluting and recycling it.
It’s good to read that someone else is waking up to the fact that the water and energy resources used to produce oil from the Albertian tarsands are an untold story.
Canadians will go down in history as the ones that knowingly caused previously unimaginable environmental damage, all for short term profit.
mike:…I am also happy to see another person has clued in to this HUGE problem. The information is out there if one wants to find it. My curiosity continues to be further peaked as to why water remained out of the FTA that, in it’s current form, has not been good for this country. It’s slowly becoming clearer. Unfortunately, as always, business has let it’s short term greed get in the way of it’s long term greed.
You people who can’t do engineering maths should watch out, you’re in grave danger in the modern world.
For example, on 2004-03-01, some environmental extremists were whining in the Edmonton Journal that the oil patch uses 330,000,000 liters of water a year from the Red Deer River. The river flow rate varies from 10 to 100 cubic meters per second. Assuming only 10 cubic meters per second, that’s still 10,000 liters per second. Which means the oil patch uses 33,000 seconds, or about 9 hours, or about 0.1 % of the river’s annual flow.
My question is, why aren’t the extremists complaining about the oil patch wanting to use 0.1 % of the river flow? Why do they say 330,000,000 liters instead? Are they trying to hide a fraudulent agenda behind big numbers?
Don’t go taking any options on Saskatchewan land until you have read my post on the Shotgun at: http://www.westernstandard.blogs.com/ entitled “Global Warming and World Flooding”.
TimR,
Interesting link. It kind of shows the dangers of statistics in determining anything. I do like Alberta … not for the weather … the people … lived there about 1/2 my life (in the lower mainland now).
…fresh water will be the next big war.
Hey Bob, good to see ya over here too! (RE: Cold Lake talk).
I’m still confused, are we in a global warming or mini-ice age.
If you look out the window today in Calgary it was nice, but we got a major snow storm on the way tonight.
THis is March right?
As for best place? I still would like to live in White Rock, BC. I miss the green and trees.
Rain or no rain, it’s a lot easier to shovel…
Well at least with Alberta’s dry cold you don’t have to replace your under-arm deoderant with herbicide. I mean, man, there’s a wierd green slime that grows on *everything* on the prevailing winds side of marine-exposed mountain ranges.
This new inbound snow storm is good news. Last weekend Edmonton got its largest or second-largest March snowfall on record (depending on who you believe). The total dihydrogen monoxide value was about 5% of our annual air-borne fresh water production. Hopefully we’re in line for another 2 or 3 % tonight.
And you know, we’ve been lucky this time. Both these storms are comming in on late Saturdays, giving the infrastructure management teams 36 hours to get the critical traffic arteries clear before the market opens on Monday morning.
Vitru: “…get the critical traffic arteries clear”.
Ha, how true. I was caught in the last snow storm back in Feb (on a tuesday I think) heading to Red Deer. Took literally 1 hour to get from Crowfoot Mall to Centre Street. Gave up, called my client, and headed home – another hour…
Having grown up in Vancouver back in the 70’s when eggs were dangerous to your health, I’m told now that they are good for you.
I was told we’re headed for a mini-ice age back then. Now I’m told (a mere 30 years later) that it’s really global warming we’re heading too.
I hear someone state it was Mt. St. Helens fault that cooled things down, and we’re warming up again…but that happened in 1980 – after the time I lived in Vancouver.
So this is what I’ve seen and experienced:
I remember shoveling snow at the Brown Brothers Ford dealership (41st and Granville) when it was almost up to my knee’s. Now if snow even dusts Cyprus bowl et al up in North Van, that is an event.
I remember being in a week of -40 up at Cold Lake and told this “was normal”. Now they’re lucky to have -30 show up for a day.
I talk to an ol dear ex-lumberjack Sask farmer friend of mine who’d tell me stories of digging paths/tunnels out their front door due to huge snow fall and drifts that came up to their second story window.
I remember pictures of the train going across the prairies having huge snow blowers/plows on them and sometimes only the tops of the telephone poles show through the snow drifts.
I see pictures of the Columbia Icefield and notice that glacier has notably retreated, no matter who’s exaggerating or not, it is shrinking.
Huge chunks of Antarctica are breaking away, well cracking…
Now some are saying global warming is bunk???
Whether it is the false CO2 crowd or natural tendencies, definitely something is happening, and that means water levels will rise if the ice does melt. Maybe not in meters, but inches.
Common sense says if you take something out of the ground you gotta fill it back up, else you get sink holes. Putting saline water back in a place where oil was before isn’t the same, this is called density…
The saline water is taken out of some salt domes and placed into other salt domes to expidite production. Salt domes are stable structures. You may wish to recall your geology.
Frankly, I’d rather move around pockets of free saline water between underground pools that I would pump in fresh water, all other things being equal. It’s aesthetics.
It’s not whether or not global warming / cooling is bunk, tomax, we don’t even know which is happening. It’s just that global warming or cooling have apparently always been happening, and probably always will. We do know at least that.
At that point it becomes incumbent on the prosecution to beyond a reasonable doubt convince me that current variations are abnormal. They haven’t.
Upon rereading my previous post, it occurs to me that I may have sounded more authoratative on the matter of the salt domes that I can claim to be. For the record, that is my understanding, not my knowledge.
Not a problem, if I’m wrong, I stand corrected.
But having worked in the oilfield, the sonar and nuclear iso tests we would sent down the wells can tell the difference between saltine water and oil, which is more dense, which is my point.
Sure it still deals with pressure. Create enough pressure into a salt dome and you can support the mass above it. Trick is to match the pressure the oil had in there previously. Hopefully the rock around the newly created salt pool isn’t porous, else you’ll eventually get sink holes over time.
How long? Guess only the engineers working there would know, and heck, that’s a long way down, so chances of it affecting us up here might be minimal.
…we hope…
If we keep this up in Alberta, we’ll be looking up to Saskatchewan…
Dang said I wouldn’t make any more Saskie jokes.
we would send down well could tell the diff…
Yes prices are up but wages are down. We’re in the middle of a boon but no ones wants to work. I think buisnesses pay too low of wages. My son has a friend who frames houses he makes 12.00 an hr. That’s not big money. I’ll bet the home builder is doing alright. We have a city counciler here in town.Michel Fogere who lives in Wascanaview and complains about no workers. I bet he does alright his family is in construction. I bet not too many of his employees live in Wascanaview.
I’m sure that London is VERY thankful that oil companies in Alberta have been filling their emptying oil wells with water. Perhaps if they increase the amount of water they pump in the ground over the next 100 years, they can save London. 🙂
Fred F
Ah, yes, but weren’t the prairies once covered by a great big sea (No, not the musical group) at one time? Perhaps no place is safe from the ravages of time and nature. 😉
how far can your vehicle get on bullshit fred ?
don’t forget it takes water and oil to grow a bull
Sorry John, but Fred is right. Water injection technology is one of the major ways oil companies increase the amount of oil they can extract from the oil bearing formations. This water is saline water that is extracted from deep water wells that are drilled in the oil patch. This water is then pulled out of the ground and pumped back in through injection wells that are located on each section of land. this forces more oil to be forced out the oil wells surrounding the injection site.
I doubt if even global warming could stop the present loss in population we have here in Saskatchewan, with our present Leftist governments policies.
“I doubt if even global warming could stop the present loss in population we have here in Saskatchewan, with our present Leftist governments policies.”
I am so tired of hearing that. You know why people don’t stay in Saksatchewan? The weather sucks. It’s cold and windy in the winter and warm, windy and mosquitoy in the summer. And I moved to Saskatchewan, I should know.
Yes, totally unlike Edmonton.
The weather in Alberta and Saskatchewan is terrible. God help the other provinces!
Province-Territory With Most Comfortable Weather
Rank Province/Territory Points
1 Alberta 22
2 Saskatchewan 20
3 British Columbia 18
4 Ontario 15
5 New Brunswick 15
6 Prince Edward Island 12
7 Yukon Territory 12
8 Nova Scotia 11
9 Manitoba 11
10 Northwest Territories 10
11 Nunavut 9
12 Newfoundland and Labrador 7
13 Quebec 3
I remember the big oil companies yapping about using the saline water and it won’t affect anything in Alberta etc. and yet in a couple years Cold lake water level dropped over 15 feet. how much water you think that is on a lake over 30kms across? you think the workers drank it or used it to shower? once its in those deepwells its gone for our lifetime. working up north we would at times have over 35 truck hauling water for two days straight to one well in a normal drilling procedure. one truck holds more water then most homes use in a month. just do the math. its scary the volume of fresh water used in oil production. brian in alberta
brian:…if memory serves me well, I read that 4 barrels of fresh water are used to produce 1 barrel of synthetic crude at the Oil Sands project. As an aside, it takes 100,000 gals for each automobile produced in Detroit. These industries are certainly thirsty! As you mentioned, this water is gone…and they aren’t making it anymore, only polluting and recycling it.
It’s good to read that someone else is waking up to the fact that the water and energy resources used to produce oil from the Albertian tarsands are an untold story.
Canadians will go down in history as the ones that knowingly caused previously unimaginable environmental damage, all for short term profit.
mike:…I am also happy to see another person has clued in to this HUGE problem. The information is out there if one wants to find it. My curiosity continues to be further peaked as to why water remained out of the FTA that, in it’s current form, has not been good for this country. It’s slowly becoming clearer. Unfortunately, as always, business has let it’s short term greed get in the way of it’s long term greed.
You people who can’t do engineering maths should watch out, you’re in grave danger in the modern world.
For example, on 2004-03-01, some environmental extremists were whining in the Edmonton Journal that the oil patch uses 330,000,000 liters of water a year from the Red Deer River. The river flow rate varies from 10 to 100 cubic meters per second. Assuming only 10 cubic meters per second, that’s still 10,000 liters per second. Which means the oil patch uses 33,000 seconds, or about 9 hours, or about 0.1 % of the river’s annual flow.
My question is, why aren’t the extremists complaining about the oil patch wanting to use 0.1 % of the river flow? Why do they say 330,000,000 liters instead? Are they trying to hide a fraudulent agenda behind big numbers?
Don’t go taking any options on Saskatchewan land until you have read my post on the Shotgun at: http://www.westernstandard.blogs.com/ entitled “Global Warming and World Flooding”.
TimR,
Interesting link. It kind of shows the dangers of statistics in determining anything. I do like Alberta … not for the weather … the people … lived there about 1/2 my life (in the lower mainland now).
…fresh water will be the next big war.
Hey Bob, good to see ya over here too! (RE: Cold Lake talk).
I’m still confused, are we in a global warming or mini-ice age.
If you look out the window today in Calgary it was nice, but we got a major snow storm on the way tonight.
THis is March right?
As for best place? I still would like to live in White Rock, BC. I miss the green and trees.
Rain or no rain, it’s a lot easier to shovel…
Well at least with Alberta’s dry cold you don’t have to replace your under-arm deoderant with herbicide. I mean, man, there’s a wierd green slime that grows on *everything* on the prevailing winds side of marine-exposed mountain ranges.
This new inbound snow storm is good news. Last weekend Edmonton got its largest or second-largest March snowfall on record (depending on who you believe). The total dihydrogen monoxide value was about 5% of our annual air-borne fresh water production. Hopefully we’re in line for another 2 or 3 % tonight.
And you know, we’ve been lucky this time. Both these storms are comming in on late Saturdays, giving the infrastructure management teams 36 hours to get the critical traffic arteries clear before the market opens on Monday morning.
Vitru: “…get the critical traffic arteries clear”.
Ha, how true. I was caught in the last snow storm back in Feb (on a tuesday I think) heading to Red Deer. Took literally 1 hour to get from Crowfoot Mall to Centre Street. Gave up, called my client, and headed home – another hour…
Having grown up in Vancouver back in the 70’s when eggs were dangerous to your health, I’m told now that they are good for you.
I was told we’re headed for a mini-ice age back then. Now I’m told (a mere 30 years later) that it’s really global warming we’re heading too.
I hear someone state it was Mt. St. Helens fault that cooled things down, and we’re warming up again…but that happened in 1980 – after the time I lived in Vancouver.
So this is what I’ve seen and experienced:
I remember shoveling snow at the Brown Brothers Ford dealership (41st and Granville) when it was almost up to my knee’s. Now if snow even dusts Cyprus bowl et al up in North Van, that is an event.
I remember being in a week of -40 up at Cold Lake and told this “was normal”. Now they’re lucky to have -30 show up for a day.
I talk to an ol dear ex-lumberjack Sask farmer friend of mine who’d tell me stories of digging paths/tunnels out their front door due to huge snow fall and drifts that came up to their second story window.
I remember pictures of the train going across the prairies having huge snow blowers/plows on them and sometimes only the tops of the telephone poles show through the snow drifts.
I see pictures of the Columbia Icefield and notice that glacier has notably retreated, no matter who’s exaggerating or not, it is shrinking.
Huge chunks of Antarctica are breaking away, well cracking…
Now some are saying global warming is bunk???
Whether it is the false CO2 crowd or natural tendencies, definitely something is happening, and that means water levels will rise if the ice does melt. Maybe not in meters, but inches.
Common sense says if you take something out of the ground you gotta fill it back up, else you get sink holes. Putting saline water back in a place where oil was before isn’t the same, this is called density…
The saline water is taken out of some salt domes and placed into other salt domes to expidite production. Salt domes are stable structures. You may wish to recall your geology.
Frankly, I’d rather move around pockets of free saline water between underground pools that I would pump in fresh water, all other things being equal. It’s aesthetics.
It’s not whether or not global warming / cooling is bunk, tomax, we don’t even know which is happening. It’s just that global warming or cooling have apparently always been happening, and probably always will. We do know at least that.
At that point it becomes incumbent on the prosecution to beyond a reasonable doubt convince me that current variations are abnormal. They haven’t.
Upon rereading my previous post, it occurs to me that I may have sounded more authoratative on the matter of the salt domes that I can claim to be. For the record, that is my understanding, not my knowledge.
Not a problem, if I’m wrong, I stand corrected.
But having worked in the oilfield, the sonar and nuclear iso tests we would sent down the wells can tell the difference between saltine water and oil, which is more dense, which is my point.
Sure it still deals with pressure. Create enough pressure into a salt dome and you can support the mass above it. Trick is to match the pressure the oil had in there previously. Hopefully the rock around the newly created salt pool isn’t porous, else you’ll eventually get sink holes over time.
How long? Guess only the engineers working there would know, and heck, that’s a long way down, so chances of it affecting us up here might be minimal.
…we hope…
If we keep this up in Alberta, we’ll be looking up to Saskatchewan…
Dang said I wouldn’t make any more Saskie jokes.
we would send down well could tell the diff…
Yes prices are up but wages are down. We’re in the middle of a boon but no ones wants to work. I think buisnesses pay too low of wages. My son has a friend who frames houses he makes 12.00 an hr. That’s not big money. I’ll bet the home builder is doing alright. We have a city counciler here in town.Michel Fogere who lives in Wascanaview and complains about no workers. I bet he does alright his family is in construction. I bet not too many of his employees live in Wascanaview.