Modern technology has made it possible to fight global warfare without traditional front lines, static defenses, and clear cut territorial gains and losses. Modern war, in fact, may be difficult to define. If one is waiting for traditional forces locked in conflict within defined regions before declaring that war exists, one may miss the �other� war. Just like cancer, which invades the body by surrounding and coexisting with body organs, Islamists rarely compete openly on the battlefield. They surround and coexist with those they wish to consume, and they use terror and intimidation to devour those they wish to control.
The Islamist threat does not lurk behind some concrete definable �front line� as did the Japanese Militarists of World War 2 or the German Armies of World War 1. The Islamist threat is spread out and interwoven among billions of non-Muslims and peaceful Muslims alike. It is an ideology, a well funded and determined fanaticism rooted in 1400 year old dogma. Yet, it�s footprint is ever more obvious, its presence ever more palpable, and its goals ever more clear. Celestial Junk examines the bloody footprints of the Islamist Cancer. CLICK
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.
Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace–but there is no
peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale
that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears
the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are
already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What
is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have?
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be
purchased at the price of chains and slavery?
Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course
others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or
give me death! ~Patrick Henry
Update: More on the Numbers Game.
Good post.
When we use the term “war”, what seems to pop into most peoples minds are hollywood descriptions of WWII. Wrong.
This is a world-wide, “low intensity conflict” that has been bubbling up for years.
It’s still war. Controlled, directed violence for the purpose of imposing control on other societies. There will be big battles and small personal battles, everywhere. Everything from hatchets to information to nukes will be used.
The world is stumbling slowly yet inexorably to a world government. The only thing in doubt is whether it will be a loose gaggle of relatively free societies, or the biggest dictatorship the human race has ever seen.
The choices are that stark, and it has begun. We are going to have to deal with it. We are also all combatants.
How will it all come out? Ask me again in 20 years, but I figure 60/40 chance for bad…
Good article regarding the “debate” issue. It’s about time that the media starting printing more , like this. I love the question: “Where were you Jack?”
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Columnists/Stanway_Paul/2006/03/15/1488549.html
Right on Junker.
Tried to explain that on my little ole blog yesterday to a couple of head-in-the-sand ostriches but (as expected) it didn’t work.
read Culture and Carnage- Victor Davis Hanson.
Islam is never capable of much more than drive by shootings and then run away.
Raising the bar on the west results in the two Iraqi wars and Isreal laying a licking on any comers. Soldiers of oppressed societies are not motivated even with 70 virgins waiting on the other side.( the believers in this myth tend to be simpleminded)
Oh great let’s escalate this mess into an intergenerational war. In the process let’s rewrite history and say that Al Qaeda and Islamic Jyhad originated in the 10th century.
Fortunately the leaders whose spin you’re regurgitating have already progressed in their thinking. The Bush administration isn’t interested in escalating the War on Terror any more than they already have. They’re already going flat out to ratchet down this conflict while they painfuly extract themselves from the Iraq tar baby.
The article actually covered every single argument I’ve ever seen a troll vomit up on the topic.Impressive work!
I once worked for a man who advised me this little gem on office politics..”don’t criticize something unless you have an idea of a solution yourself.”
With this in mind,I have 1 question for all you self-righteous lefties who bitch about our presence in Afgan..
If we don’t go directly after the terrorists themselves,what should we be doing to protect ourselves against this worldwide threat?…..Come on,we’re waiting
You’re right in your thinking. It’s so unfortunate that we, at a glance, can’t tell the good from the bad so we group them all together and don’t trust/like any of them. Maybe if THEY did more to police the bad ones we could come to some sort of peace. Until such time, I’m afraid we’re in for the long haul. Pity.
Jose: “…from the Iraq tar baby.”
Evil is sticky, stubborn; evil answers only to overwhelming force.
Why is evil a tar baby? Where is evil? In Canada?
In Iraq? In the mind of Saddam? Where is the tar baby? +
Prime Minister Harper’s whirlwind: Answering the tar baby: we will not cut and run from evil.
The Long War is a long journey. +
Harper home after whirlwind Afghan visit
Prime Minister Stephen Harper is back home after his visit to Afghanistan +
canoenews
Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, … +
Good comment, Mad Mike. I add to your observation… “we are also all combatants”… that we are also all targets, the terrorist’s main target.
This dispicable evil selectively kills innocent civilians at work(9/11), vacationing(Bali), commuting(London & Madrid), at school(Beslan), communially(Darfur), on campus(the recent attempt at UNC), at airports(Rome & LA), at the Olympics(Munich), pizza parlours(Tel Avi)…….need I go on.
It doesn’t take much intelligence to connect the dots. Given time these animals will be back after perfecting a bigger and better way to kill us in larger numbers – a dirty bomb, bio-warfare, Iran’s missiles? Time is on their side.
If the West doesn’t get on the same page, support Bush verbally and combine forces to hunt down and kill these roaches under every rock they hide, then we are failing our each other and our children.
Find the evil tar baby: find the official position of the leftliberal/NDP/socialists.
Hint: Rchhne.ca. +
Harper gets it right
Toronto Sun – 6 hours ago
By PETER WORTHINGTON. By making his first foreign trip Afghanistan, to visit Canadian troops, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has achieved something that eluded his predecessors. He’s put our troops and their …
Canadian sacrifice praised Toronto Star
Canada to Kandahar: Errand boy Rabble.ca
googlenewscanada
maz2 “Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, … +”
…. Sucker!
Penny:
Thank you.
Yes we are all combatants and, perforce, all targets. Our enemies do not see any difference between military and civilian and have no interest in concepts like the Geneva Conventions.
Unfortunately, I don’t think most will “get it” until bad things start happening here.
We as citizens must think to “take it personally”, and it would be much better if we did sooner than later.
“It is an ideology, well funded and determined.”
Is he talking about the Liberal Party?
“Just like a cancer.”
Is there a difference?
“Our enemies do not see any difference between military and civilian and have no interest in concepts like the Geneva Conventions.”
Not quite. They have no interest in *observing* such conventions. They have a great interest and are quite skilled in trying to get *their* enemies to abide by and be bound by them.
Well, I suppose the question is do you throw the baby our with the bathwater. If Muslims are that big a threat, then why do we continue to allow them into our countries.
Some good friends of mine are Muslim. They are good people, who have had my back on more than one occasion. Am I to judge them on the basis of the actions of Al Quida, or the Hamas?
I don’t think I could do that.
That said, if the Muslim community was true to the nation, they’d out the trouble makers in recognition of the greater good.
Damned if we do, damned if we don’t.
Roseberry “They have a great interest and are quite skilled in trying to get *their* enemies to abide by and be bound by them.”
If that is Al Qaeda’s intent then they’ve failed miserably.
And its not their intent. I’ve no doubt that Osama Bin Laden rejoices whenever he hears of US human rights abuses. He’s a politician too of sorts and its a big PR victory which he no doubt enthusiasticaly exploit. But that doesn’t mean excuse human rights abuses on our side nevertheless.
“roseberry”
Good point, thanks for the clarification. It’s just using a perceived “weakness” on our part against us. Quite practical, really, from the viewpoint of an Islamofascist.
Further to cjunks post, my biggest worry isn’t the details of how we end up fighting this. I don’t fear these murderous nutbars, they just piss me off.
Our only real weakness is just how many of us in the West have no clue what Patrick Henry was talking about.
That scares me.
William,tend to agree.
But I do believe it is a Muslim created problem so the Muslims need to stand up and solve it!
So far I haven’t heard shit from Muslim leaders.Where is a show of outrage against these murders committed in their name?Where is the calling of their followers to denounce these actions?I understand that recent terrorist attacks against Iraq are slowly,but finally,turning the population against the terrorists.You’d think Canadian Muslims would be ahead of them.
BTW,still waiting for someone to answer my previous post.
“Canadian Observer”
OK, I’ll bite.
We have to do both.
We have to go after them in their lairs, planet-wide, with well trained soldiers. We also have to defend ourselves at home. That means coastal defence with the Navy, continental missile defence under NORAD and aggressive policing and security at home, with a foundation of a vigilant population. All without damaging our freedoms and civil liberties. Tall order.
To what extent we’re willing to go will unfold with time.
It’s not going to be easy. But no war worth fighting ever should be.
Canadian Observer “So far I haven’t heard shit from Muslim leaders.Where is a show of outrage against these murders committed in their name?Where is the calling of their followers to denounce these actions?”
If you’re curious as to what muslims are thinking or saying then why not go onto a muslim blog? Google “Blogs by iranians” there’s hundreds of them.
You’re in the wrong place if you want to learn something about Islam.
Jose: I’ve spent lots of time on Muslom blogs. They run the full spectrum, from those who advocate strong violent action against the Islamists to those who are violent Islamists themselves. There is nothing new there. Tell me, if I want to learn about leftists, should I judge them by visiting Daily Kos?
I paraphrase an old Chinese proverb (they’re all old aren’t they)…’when fighting the tiger never fight him in his cave (his turf)… you must draw him out to yours’.
Jose said:”You’re in the wrong place if you want to learn something about Islam.”
Where have you been?
I’ve been to London to visit the Islamist terrorist savages at their hate rallies. + Via LGF
wednesday, march 15, 2006
UK Police Arrest 5 Cartoon Jihadists
The British have arrested five of the demonstrators who took part in the astonishing display of savagery outside the Danish embassy in London last month: Five arrested over London cartoons protest. (Hat tip: Ethel.)
Five men were arrested today over their alleged role in protests outside the Danish Embassy in London last month against cartoons satirising the Prophet Muhammad.
Four of the five were held on suspicion of incitement to murder and all five are suspected of �using threatening words or written material to stir up racial hatred�.
During the demonstrations in Central London on February 3 and 4, protesters held placards threatening a repeat of the September 11 or July 7 terror attacks. Among the slogans were �Massacre those who insult Islam� and �Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come�.
As you can see in this video, however, there were many more than five people at these hate rallies. +
Jose: One other thing. Let’s not confuse “Islam” with the fanatics. The fanatics leave a very clear trail for anyone who is genuinely interested to follow. They declare their intensions loud and clear in terms that anybody can understand. Their actions are obvious and quantifiable; even though they even compete among themselves. Only those in the West who are bound by Leftist ideology that needs to reject the fanatic threat, find themselves doing intellectual gymnastics trying to explain away the Islamo-fascist reality.
Islam, in general, is ellusive though, as it has many sects, many extremes, and many geo-political influences that color it’s outcomes. The way Islam is worshipped, is as much a cultural regional reality as it is global.
Canadian Observer, I think that you haven’t heard anything from Muslim leaders because you’re not listening. Just look, it’s often in the news. If you only look for what you want to find, that’s all you’ll find.
Fighting terrorists in Afghanistan is only part of the story. It is important to be aware of root causes, and Canadian forces are addressing those causes by working “to ensure a systematic reconstruction of the country and to rebuild its economic, political and judicial institutions.” The problems won’t go away just by hunting terrorists.
There are no ‘fanatics’ in islam. There are only those who practice it properly and those who don’t.
As long as there are people who follow Mohamet and Mohamet’s Koran teaches them that islam will rule the world with sharia, those who don’t want to follow Mohamet are going to have a lot of trouble.
Cjunk “find themselves doing intellectual gymnastics trying to explain away the Islamo-fascist reality. ”
Rest assured that I do consider them a threat. I supported the effort in Afghanistan (although I think the US should have used more ground troops and less air power). I support our troops in Afghanistan and I think they’re doing a fantastic job. I would also support a multinational force overthrowing the regime controlling Myanamar because they are evil incarnate and there’s no hope of promoting democracy in that country through nonviolent means.
Where I draw the line is when certain politicians in the United States start tap dancing on the constitution to score points with the mob. I am not saying that all americans are evil. I’ve lived in that country for several years and call many americans friends. But its blatantly obvious that elements of the US government have overstepped the line or decency and I’m calling them on it.
I may be wrong but I call them as I see them. And for what its worth I think my point of view is already prevailing. The republican party is turning their back on the neconservative experiment at whiplash speed. I strongly suspect that the next republican presidential candidate (McCain?) will be someone who has already strongly distanced himself from the neocons to the benefit of his party and his country.
Statcan numbers tell us that there are about 50,000 more male immigrant muslims than female muslims in Canada ….350,000 vs 300,000 .. whereas all other ethnic groups are about 50/50 M/F.
Is this because male muslims have come to Canada to find a Canadian bride with whom to procreate muslim children?
Or are they the vanguard of muslims for their holy jihad?
10,000 fully armed AK47s would only cost a mere $10,000,000 petrodollars … and such a force could easily overwhelm every police force and the military in Canada. We are just a flock of sitting Canadian geese.
World war 3 was called the “cold war” World war 4 is the religious war we call the war on terror…… We need to stop using the label “suicide bombers” and use terms like “servants of satan”. Muslims go to mecca and throw stones at satan to cast him out, so Satan is something they understand. If they connect the actions of radical Muslims to the actions of Satan then a line will have been crossed in the Muslim world. No longer will they be jihadists doing the work of Allah, they will become the followers of the great satan. ( Now tat has got to hurt)….. So repeat after me…. these are not the actions of the followers of Allah. They are the actions of the servants of Satan.
OFF-TOPIC ALERT:
George Radwanski, former Lib privacy commish, just charged by RCMP in Toronto with fraud and criminal breach of trust.
Let the good times roll…
Observer “Is this because male muslims have come to Canada to find a Canadian bride with whom to procreate muslim children?”
Long term transients. The muslim cab drivers who drive me home at the end of drunken evenings are here to send money back to their families. Its not unusual for a muslim man to live in a western country and send part of his paycheck back home to support his family.
I think its a noble thing to do. These guys work their asses off to feed many mouths back home. I’ve had the pleasure of meeting a few of these guys and I have the utmost of respect for them.
And yes all the ones I know decry religous extremism back home.
I used Paint to transpose the head of one such man onto a terrorist firing an AK-47. He was going to Mecca to do the Hajj and then moving onwards to visit his family in India (who he is supporting financialy) I put the picture up in the company newsletter along with the announcement of his trip. All the muslim guys in the office laughed their asses off, the target of the joke most of all. I did get serious crap over it but it came from my office’s Dilbertesque white christian managers.
The muslims here in the UK are fine. Granted a few of them are terrorists but where I live the real terrorists are teenage, white christians who live under the delusion that they are “gangsta”
*(The Iranians) must know everything is on the table and they must understand what that means,* US ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton told a group of visiting British politicians last week.
*We can hit different points along the line. You only have to take out one part of their nuclear operation to take the whole thing down.* In other words, he was calmly proposing an illegal attack on a sovereign state, possibly involving nuclear weapons.
http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote6.cfm?REF=48
Bolton knew his words would be leaked, so maybe it was just deliberate posturing to raise the pressure on Iran. But on Sunday, addressing the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee in Washington, Bolton repeated the threat:
*The longer we wait to confront the threat Iran poses, the harder and more intractable it will become to solve … We must be prepared to rely on comprehensive solutions and use all the tools at our disposal to stop the Threat…* He may really mean it — and no one in the White House has told him to shut up.
By Gwynne Dyer
10words.ca TG
Jos�:
I keep hearing “the muslims are alright”. Sure they are! Then why do 40% of them want to institute shari’a in parts or all of Britain? Cheerful dispositions indeed; cheerfully lapidating the adultress or cheerfully defacing the temptress with battery acid…
For a view on how these people think try this site. Every so called news article is anti US or anti Israel. . Read some of the comments
http://www.aljazeera.com/home.asp
penny and Mad Mike? Re:
Good comment, Mad Mike. I add to your observation… “we are also all combatants”… that we are also all targets, the terrorist’s main target.
I’ve seen it that way for a long time- recall that online Jihad manual callinf for attacks on malls, schools, and day-care centers?
My thoughts here:
-“Fire & Blood & Iron:”–
TonyGuitar,
The United States is not going to nuke Iran. Not only would it cause a lot of problems its entirely unecessary. Iran’s nuclear facilities aren’t made out of adamantium so conventional smart munitions will do nicely.
And they definitely don’t want to roll an army into Iran and everyone knows it. If anything Iran may be sabre rattling because they know that the US is already overextended and isn’t in a position to commit another 250,000 troops to yet another long term occupation.
Better to weaken the Iranian administration from within and foster a new democracy there peacefuly. It’ll take longer but it will go smoother.
Jose,
A friend to everyone, you are. Friends with muslims, friends with americans and now you want to be friends with Iran.
Here is a timeline for you:
Iran builds a nuke.
Iran bombs Israel.
Jose pleads for peaceful democracy in Iran.
Hundreds of thousands of dead Israeli’s.
Great plan.
enough
You know, I don’t know how much is the Muslims fault on the Sharia thing… I think that special interest groups, including the Muslims, have been pandered to way too much by politicians looking for votes, and smart-ass lawyers seeing opportunities for legal fee’s as a result of Charter Challenges.
I think we opened that can of worms with the Charter, and we should have closed it firmly and quickly when the Muslims first brought it up. Asswipes like Dalton Mcguinty saying “oh, lets look at it, after all we want is to be fair.”
One law for everyone, don’t like it, fuck-off back to the shithole you crawled out of.
I do beleive that if the Imam’s really did give a shit, every time a fundamentalist terrorist recruiter or preacher reared their head, the Imams would be on the phone to imigration saying “here’s another dumbfuck for the sandmonkey express”.
The Imam’s have a responsiblity to out these fanatics, as good citizens of Canada. Protesting is not sufficient. How does it go “Methinks thou dost protest too much”. All talk, from people who bloody well know who is stirring up shit, and who is just trying to make a living and get along.
Jose, Yes you are correct. Sabre rattling is exactly it. North Korea does it regularily to bump up foreign aid or get some attention to a problem.
Iran should never get the opportunity to send any Nuke to Israel. As you mention, conventional weapons will disrupt that easily enough.
Most Iranians are well educated, very western in dress and enterprise minded. They were apathetic about voting however, { remind you of Canadians?], and so the result was a clerics victory.
Fundamentalists who stand to gain jobs and benefits never miss a chance to vote. Something like liberals eh?
What do you think of Iranian backed Muqtada Al-Sadr? Makes Saddam look civilized.
10words.ca TG
SLUNA Reply To: Hon. Lloyd Axworthy Cc: Hon. Maria Minna,
Stewart Bell’s Report titled “Martin to dine with
terrorist front” … grants and extort funds from
Canadian Tamils for their terrorist warfare to establish …
webhome.idirect.com/~sluna/martletter.htm – 5k – +
Ex-PM PM, Jr., & the Terrorist Tamil$$$$$$$$$$
Martin “dined “with terrorist front” for $$$$$$ on May 06, 2000, in Toronto.
What was the quid pro quo? Tamil terrorists: Keep your hands off & your mouth shut. +
Tamil Tigers Targeting Canada
Josh Pringle
Wednesday, March 15, 2006
Human Rights Watch says Tamil Tigers are targeting Sri Lankan Tamils living in Canada with extortion and threats.
A report says the Tamil Tigers are raising cash for attacks in their homeland.
Human Rights Watch says Canada’s 250-thousand Tamil’s are pressured by bagmen to borrow money, re-mortgage their homes or even skip meals to help fund the fight for a separate Tamil state.
The former Liberal government barred Tamil Tigers from raising cash in Canada as part of anti-terrorism efforts after 9-11. +
cfra.com
If the US or the maybe if the Euros want to stop Iran getting the bomb, they won’t bother targeing the nuclear facilities.
They’ll take out their oil distribution choke points at the harbours & pipeline headends . . cutoff the Iranian access to foreign exchange & currency . . . no oil money = no bomb, no oil money = no funding of foreign terrorists.
Iran would have troubel feeding itself let alone being able to affore the expensive technology to build and deliver a nuke.
Tonyguitar: The Mullahs of Iran removed all moderates they disapproved of from the last election. They have that right under Iranian law. It’s not apathy, its pragmatism. Moderates do not get onto the lists; and the “moderates” that do, are not really moderates in the true sense. Iran, is not a democracy.
Another thing that has change is the sniveling leftists controlling the MSM. With each passing anniversary, the media tribute to 9/11 shrinks into nothing. Some of our networks opt not to carry the Presidents special messages essentially censoring him.
You have to read military blogs and The”>http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com//”>The Belmont Club for any honest facts and analysis of what is really happening in Iraq. It sure doesn’t square with MSM accounts.
Terrorists aren’t “insurgents” – how damn Orwellian. Calling a spade, a spade is verbotim in the press. After the Cartoon War, I’ve put the MSM’s burqa clad appeasers and denouncers of the First Amendment on the collaborator list.
Every troll that makes an appearance here spews the same undigested MSM garbage.
We’ve got to cancel subscriptions, boycott sponsors, diligently fact check the MSM and flood their sites when they lie or suppress free speech with their agenda driven junk.
Better to weaken the Iranian administration from within and foster a new democracy there peacefuly. It’ll take longer but it will go smoother.
Brilliant, Jose, brilliant.
Are you think of something along the lines of goodwill kiosks in Tehran, mass greeting card mailings or a NA adopt-a-mullah organization?
It will “take longer”, decades maybe, long enough for them to get their nuclear bombs finished and launched. But, no one can say over our ashes that we didn’t try giving it our best as social workers.
Emailed to me by a friend:
Robin Williams, wearing a shirt that says “I loveNew York” in Arabic.
You gotta love Robin Williams……
Even if he’s nuts! Leave it to Robin
Williams to come up with the perfect
plan. What we need now is for our
UN Ambassador to stand up and
repeat this message.
Robin Williams’s plan…(Hard to
argue with this logic!)
“I see a lot of people yelling for peace,but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here’s one plan.
1) “The US will apologize to the world for our ‘interference’ in their affairs, past & present. You know: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic, Hussein, and the rest of those ‘good ole boys;’we will never ‘interfere’ again.
2) “We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea, the Middle East, and the Philippines. They don’t
want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one allowed sneaking through holes in the fence.
3) “All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We’ll give them a free trip home. After 90 days, the remainder will
be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. They’re illegal!!! France will welcome them.
4) “All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit!!!! No one from a terrorist nation will be allowed in. If you don’t like it there, change it yourself and don’t hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don’t need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers.
5) “No foreign ‘students’ over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don’t attend classes, they get a D, and it’s back home, baby.
6) “The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy-wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy, but will require temporary drilling for oil in the Alaska wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while.
7) “Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil-producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don’t like it, we go someplace else. They can go
somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites woul d be enough.)
8) “If there is afamine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not ‘interfere.’ They can pray to Allah, or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement, or whatever
they need. Besides, most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything.
9) “Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island someplace. We don’t need the spies and fair-weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.
10) “All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us ‘Ugly Americans’ any longer. The language we speak is
ENGLISH…learn it…or LEAVE.”
“Now, isn’t that a winner of a plan?”
“The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying, ‘Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.’ She’s got a baseball bat, and she’s yelling, ‘You wan t a piece of me?’ ”
I alway’s liked Robin… although I don’t like the “pay $10 bucks a barrel like it or lump it” thing.
no oil money = no bomb
Fred, the Europeans won’t sanction Iran. They get too much of their NG and oil from them. Russia, under Putin, is playing hardball too with the EU.
European economies grind to a halt if they disrupt Iranian oil/NG. That’s one huge problem and why the US hasn’t/won’t get support from France and Germany. It is “all about oil” for the Europeans.
Israel is the wild card. If I had to put my kids to bed every night in Israel, wondering if they’ll see morning, I’d act lethally and pre-emptively soon.
Personally, I feel the West should collectively destroy the Iranian installations first, colonize all of the ME oil fields(they haven’t used the revenue wisely) and shut the whole state sponsored terrorist oil spigot off. When you declare war and lose, you get disarmed. Oil is a weapon.
Garry P:
“‘when fighting the tiger never fight him in his cave (his turf)… you must draw him out to yours’.”
So draw all the mean big bad tigers to the west and let ’em have it by getting them hooked on ‘Donalds, crystal meth, reality tv and ebay?
Somehow I don’t think the person that came up with the original piece of wisdom envisioned tigers wearing backpacks filled with explosives and bags of roofing nails.
Maybe I don’t have quite the extensive background in wise sayings but I’m inclined to say it’s better to deal with the tiger where it lives as opposed to where your family lives. Sure, the tiger is less inhibited in its’ cave but you at least know where it is (kinda important when it comes to the backpack thing).
“Better to weaken the Iranian administration from within and foster a new democracy there peacefuly. It’ll take longer but it will go smoother.
Brilliant, Jose, brilliant.”….so true Penny.
Makes a lot of sense to me. A home grown organic process is the better way to go than bombing, invasion and occupation.
So draw all the mean big bad tigers to the west and let ’em have it by getting them hooked on ‘Donalds, crystal meth, reality tv and ebay?
Well, Gary P, they have been in France 2-3 generations and instead of hamburgers and meth they are hooked on jihad. Your plan doesn’t match reality.
Bush’s plan is better – take it to their own turf. Deport them the hell out of our neighborhoods. Do we really need more fatty couch potatoes hooked on meth selling explosives on ebay?
Martin B…I was waiting for that misinterpretation…the concept is to surround the cave but don’t go into it to fight the beast. Keep it contained and smoke it out. Not all wisdoms do apply, I agree, but where is the wisdom in what is happening now?? Yes, something must be done but I don’t believe the naive western thought of ‘injecting democracy’, in our image, into this area is going to work. There are still British graves, in the area, from the attempts of many years before. But then, there is no conclusive solution.