Angry is digging into LIberal relationships so intimate, I hope he’s wearing protection….
Finance Minister Ralph Goodale had an hour-long meeting with senior representatives of Canada’s investment community — at which the issue of income trusts was discussed — only hours before his decision on the issue was announced, CanWest News Service has learned.
An official in Mr. Goodale’s office confirmed yesterday that the previously undisclosed meeting with the executive committee of the Investment Dealers Association of Canada (IDA) took place, but said those who attended left the morning meeting “no wiser” about the decision that was announced later that day after markets closed.
Read all about it.
UpdateFrom the comments;
Joseph Oliver, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Investment Dealers Association (IDA), has written a letter today to Larry Elford confirming that “the matters referred to in his letter are under investigation by the RCMP, and therefore we cannot comment.” Larry Elford’s January 2, 2006 letter to Joseph Oliver had made the following request:
“The IDA, as a self-regulator of the investment banking industry, should publicly disclose who attended the IDA meeting with Finance Minister Goodale on the morning of November 23rd. Since a subset of IDA Member investment banks were active in the unusually high volume and price up ticking in income trusts and dividend paying common shares that began at about noon that day, it is reasonable to anticipate that the RCMP will be reviewing communications and conducting interviews surrounding this IDA meeting with Honourable Minister Goodale.”
Joseph Oliver’s letter further indicates that the IDA is not participating as a collaborating investigator in the RCMP’s investigation of income trusts. This statement is not qualified by any conditions such as “not participating at this time” or “would consider participating if asked by the RCMP.”
(If anyone has a link for that, I’ll add it)
I meant myself as the “half-cut” tory Allen. Sorry.
William,
I’ll answer your question AFAIK (I’ve decided to contribute something now).
Yes, I believe the scenario you describe is legal. But it almost certainly wouldn’t happen. Not only would the NDP look like a foolish puppet – government courtesy would be against this. Same reason the Speaker voted in favour of the Liberals during the first vote of confidence.
However, the scenario you describe would still likely be partially “in effect” anyways (i.e. the NDP holding the balance of power)
Rick/Karl,
You are right on one thing, things are pretty good for most of us. However, that is part of the problem why do we have to settle for pretty good, why can’t it be very good?
You see, that is what I see as part of the differences between me as a CPC voter and others. Despite how he is portrayed, Harper asks, while things are “pretty” good, I think we can do better. We do this by empowering Canadians, not babysitting them.
Maybe, I am being a little too melodramatic but I view this as the most important election I have ever participated in. If the Libs get in, via an actual minority or a coalition as william describes above, I truly fear for the future of Canada, as too many fellow citizens are willing to settle for corruption and “pretty good” and so many of us are not. It is for that reason that we may appear to be “out for blood”
Ken
Angry reports:
Don Black, “close personal friend of Ralph Goodale”, appears on:
CBC: Newsworld @ 9 PM EST & National @ 10 PM EST.
CTV: Duffy’s Countdown @ 8 PM EST. >>
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The reason I’m curious is because I worry that the Martinites will try that. They seem desperate enough to do damn near anything to stay in power, and they have often based their modus on the electorate having the memory of knats, so based on that, wouldn’t this sort of senario sort of “fit the mold” so to speak. They’d be assured of 5 years in power, and neither party could walk from the other because of “voter retribution” in the short term.
Layton seems to me to be just stupid enough, and god know’s Martin is just arrogant enough.
Would that start a civil unrest movement… I don’t know… Canadians are perhaps the most politically lazy and ignorant people as a nation I have ever encountered. Hell, one in five don’t even know the Prime Ministers name.
Wouldn’t the Liberals just count on the mass’ being to busy drinking beer and eating popcorn to bother protesting the coup’? I’ve got $5 bucks says they will try it if they are really close to the Cons after the dust settles.
Any takers?
I for one want all the liberano’s to get a short drop and sudden stop for their crimes.
Earnscliffe/Martin/Herle, & et al: Captain Martin: Ahoy, Ralph, have you ever been corrupted ashore? No? welcome aboard, matey. >>
January 04, 2006
I’d like to believe Honest Ralph, but…
I’d like to believe that Ralph Goodale is a honest politician and that he has served 32 years in public life with integrity, I really would. However, let’s look at Goodale’s previous connections to scandal in Ottawa now that he is starring in the latest.
First, a timeline of Goodale’s career:
1974-1979 – Backbench Liberal MP
1981 – Leader of Saskatchewan Liberal Party
1986 – only Saskatchewan Liberal to be elected to provincial legislature
1988 – ran in federal election (lost). Executive assistant was Jason Kenney
1988-1993 Private sector: Pioneer Life Assurance Company, Pioneer Lifeco Inc., Sovereign Life Insurance Co.
1993 – elected as MP, Chretien cabinet minister of agriculture and agri-food
1997 – Minister of Natural Resources
2002 – Minister of Public Works and Government Services
2003 – Paul Martin becomes PM and Goodale becomes Minister of Finance
Auditor General Sheila Fraser uncovered the Sponsorship Scandal and released a scathing report of Liberal corruption. Justice John Gomery was given a mandate to look into the report and investigate political direction and what went wrong. However, he did not have the mandate to look at chapter 5 of Fraser’s report which details many of the same type of “sole-sourced”, non-competitive contracts that occurred between the government and Quebec ad firms. However, chapter five deals with the same type of suspect contracts between the government and Martin-connected Earnscliffe.
In a March 27th, 1995 letter to David Dingwall (then Minister of Public Works and Government Services), Ralph Goodale (then Minister of Agriculture) asked for a special favour:
In order to respond to the issue in time our department will need to sole source a contract to conduct the necessary survey and analysis work amongst both the general prairie public and the farm population. I wish to contract with The Earnscliffe Strategy Group to conduct this survey which will cost under $50,000. The company’s knowledge of the policy file gained from previous research permits the rapid turnaround on issues such as methodology and issues to be explored during the survey. Also, the primary consultant to be involved is from Saskatchewan and has an excellent background in prairie agriculture.
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A sole source contract to Earnscliffe? The primary consultant is from Saskatchewan? The primary consultant was likely David Herle who it turns out, was Ralph Goodale’s driver and a close aide when Goodale was leader of the Saskatchewan Liberal Party. >>> more
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William:
Those who work for the Mafia are called Mafiosi.
Those who work for crooks are crooks.
Those who vote for crooks are crooks,
if only in their heart.
William,
I fear that it is a possibility. These are the same people that ignored a non-confidence until they could win one. The GG then, and the GG now always seem to defer to Parliament rather than doing texecuting their constitutional responsibility.
On a more optimistic note, and OT, but check out the CBC website for SH’s response to yet another patriotism question. Welcome to the Election, Canada(Barbados/Liberia) Steamship Lines.
Ken
Ha… fair enough Allen.
Well here’s to hoping we don’t have to start the “Alberta Militia”, anytime soon. Luckily, I’ve lots of scary Republican friends willing to ship money and guns. No sense paying for them.
Anyway, I’d like to think that Martin would do the right thing, but so far he’s displayed an incredible knack for doing the exact wrong thing. Oddly, thats my exact worry, they will try to usurp the will of the electorate, and then look out, the lid will completely blow off the top of Alberta.
I’m not a separtist by nature, but I’d be hard put not to support it in a senario like the one I described.
This is the last train out of town for a lot of my friends regarding Federalism in Alberta, and if it goes sideway’s again, the results could be catastrophic.
Actually, I don’t think that, I know that.
William,
Your views are the reason that, unfortunately, the Liberals are likely going to win the election – with Ontario voting them in.
The Conservatives are largely seen as a Western party in Ontario. Having a prominent member of the Conservataive party state that they’ll be “working on Alberta seperation if the Liberals win” helps to support that belief. Your comments only confirm the point.
As someone from Ontario and a former Liberal (you wonder why I choose to be annonymous?) – asking someone in Ontario to vote Conservative is not too different than asking an Albertan to vote Liberal or Nova Scotian to vote Bloc.
William,
They actually had a similar discussion on your very question over at Calgary Grit( fair and balanced blog, despite the name). I am not sure it really clears things up.
Points ranged from possible to no way to may have happened provincially in Ont.. Upon further reflection, I would agree with one of the poster over at Grit in that it would LIB+NDP= Majority for it to work.
As for the train, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Hence my comment earlier regarding the most important election I will have particpated in.
Ken
Ken
Hey, Rick, I have a university degree, own my own company and make enough money that MY wife DOESN’T have to work. I have a paid for house, a new truck and I live in a great city in an up and coming, prosperous part of the country that will become the BEACON for anyone interested in taking responsibility for their own future, without having to suck up to all their T.O. / Ottwawa friends to get ahead. It’s called hard work, buddy! Something you apparently don’t understand is a virtue. I don’t need to be married to a shyster lawyer to get what I wantin life either.
Bigger fish to fry, folks. Unprecedented press conference in Toronto today by High Court judge Roy McMurtry telling politicians that judges are not there to do their bidding and to stay out of their backyard. So, even if politicians want stricter sentencing, minimum, mandatory – whatever – TOUGH. Judges will decide how it goes down, and because Martin has consistently deferred to the courts so as not to get his hands dirty and offend somebody somewhere, the judges now perceive themselves as the ultimate voice of the people. Go figure.
William the King-Bing affair in 1926 was a similar situation. The Government is formed by the collation with the confidence of the House. It does not matter legally if it includes the top party. As in the King-Bing affair there is a political price to be paid by the parties that perform this action.
William, if you check out the Citizens Centre for Freedom and Democracy, Dec. 5/05 commentary “How even a Conservative Minority could change Canada”, pretty much answers what you are asking.
Had my native friend from vancouver in town for christmas holidays.
TAX EXEMPT CARD in tow:
cigs
gas
half price
I just wish there were more fatalities at the wreck at the intersection of Bay Street and Sussex drive.
Kate a dyke? This coming from a Scott Reid wanna be aka “Rick”? This is hilarious. The liberal left that is so found of espousing gay rights, SSM can’t find a better smear than to accuse this beautiful, extremely smart and very talented lady of being gay (not that there would be anything wrong with that if she was but she’d break a lot of guys hearts!). I don’t know about the rest of the guys on this forum but I find Kate’s intelligence and her writing style very compelling – I loved her thoughtful article on Iraq. She’d make a very good addition to Harper’s team in Ottawa. I guess that’s why she’s attracted the negative attacks. She’s a big girl and can more than stand up for herself but frankly I find it sickening that they’d resort to this. If she were a guy, they’d never suggest the same thing. I guess they feel threatened by her. We need more women in politics like her. You go Kate!!!
I find it quite amusing that the left wing(nut) posters are putting themselves through all of this torture, anguish and humiliation. The Lie-beral’s have been exposed for what they are, organized criminals behaving like total idiots. They give professional criminals a bad name.
We’ve had twelve plus years of scandal after scandal, no need to list them all here, it just never stops. These morons have to be tossed out on their ear, prosecuted for their “Crimes Against Canadians” and sent to prison for a very long time, where they can pick up the soap for those convicted of gun crimes.
Joseph Oliver, President and Chief Executive Officer of the Investment Dealers Association (IDA), has written a letter today to Larry Elford confirming that “the matters referred to in his letter are under investigation by the RCMP, and therefore we cannot comment.” Larry Elford’s January 2, 2006 letter to Joseph Oliver had made the following request:
“The IDA, as a self-regulator of the investment banking industry, should publicly disclose who attended the IDA meeting with Finance Minister Goodale on the morning of November 23rd. Since a subset of IDA Member investment banks were active in the unusually high volume and price up ticking in income trusts and dividend paying common shares that began at about noon that day, it is reasonable to anticipate that the RCMP will be reviewing communications and conducting interviews surrounding this IDA meeting with Honourable Minister Goodale.”
Joseph Oliver’s letter further indicates that the IDA is not participating as a collaborating investigator in the RCMP’s investigation of income trusts. This statement is not qualified by any conditions such as “not participating at this time” or “would consider participating if asked by the RCMP.”
Rick
I’m from Alberta and I would vote for the Bloc before liberals in a heartbeat.
Also, Albertan’s don’t support corruption as a means to be “canadian”
Kate, Candace and I are broads, the last of a dying breed, alas.
“As someone from Ontario and a former Liberal (you wonder why I choose to be annonymous?) – asking someone in Ontario to vote Conservative is not too different than asking an Albertan to vote Liberal or Nova Scotian to vote Bloc.”
Don’t pretend that your are representative of an Ontario voter. You are a self proclaimed Librano supporter that happens to be from Ontario. I am not annonymous, I have Stood up for Canada having already cast a ballot in the “right” direction here in Simcoe-Grey, you have my name and email. You are all that is repulsive with so many so called “liberal” supporters, full of beer and popcorn.
Iron Lady… I say we start a charter “broads” club. I’ll take out a membership.
Bruce Randall — There may be a deeper truth to Liberals wanting to keep prison sentences to a minimum — they are paving the way for their own trials and sentences. Hell, if 30 days is all you get for armed robbery, these guys are all going to go scott free (sorry if I have offended any Scotts out there). A slap on the peepee, some community service, blah blah blah, and no criminal record. I scoffed 6 months ago when Bill Good (Vancouver radio talk show host) suggested he fully expected people to go to prison for the sponsorship scandal, and I will be scoffing a year from now when (hopefully ex) PMPM is lecturing about integrity and trust at our universities.
Ricko,
That was my whole point, the lopsided “first past the poll” system is putting Alberta’s back to the wall. There is zero reason for the Liberals to want to change a system that is strictly to their advantage, and keeps them in power… so tell me, whats an Albertan supposed to do?
Sooner or later that question is going to get asked here, and the answer isn’t one anyone east of Manitoba is going to like.
That’s not a threat, it’s a fact, one which I’m afraid is going to get asked all the sooner if the Liberals get in again.
All the people who live in Alberta, even if only for a year or two, sooner or later get “Alberta-ized” with buckets of pragmatic and frugal thoughts… it’s like it ooze’s out of the ground out here. We are like the Chinese that way, we conquer from within through absorbtion.
There is no way we are going to let the Liberal elite get a hold of Alberta’s wealth.
The Martinite’s know Alberta’s going to be sitting on nearly 19 Billion in surplus for 2006, that’s the equivalent of 200 billion in surplus dollars on a federal level in terms of economic buying power… no way are the Feds going to leave that cherry unpicked if there is a way.
Albertan’s won’t stand for a corrupt government making moves on something that came about because of Alberta’s blood, sweat, and tears.
At the beginnning Goodale’s answer was – only he (Goodale)
knew, it was a very very small group
A day later Goodale’s answer was – only he (Goodale)and key people in Finance knew, it was a very very small group.
A day later Goodale’s answer was – only he (Goodale), key people in Finance and the Prime Minister knew, it was a very very small group.
A day later Goodale’s answer was – only he (Goodale), key people in Finance, the Prime Minister and key people in PMO knew, it was a very very small group.
A day later Goodale’s answer was – only he (Goodale), key people in Finance, the Prime Minister, key people in PMO and two other Minister knew, it was a very very small group.
…. and they tell two people and they tell two people and they tell two people … >>>
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Hey William!
[…as well as being VP of Ops for a software firm based in Calgary, and have held Senior exec. posts for the last 17 years. I’ve owned 3 companies and taken one public, which trades on the small board now…]
Are you hiring 😉
Just kidding, good to see another Calgarian online.
cheers
tom