176 Replies to “I Want A New Country”

  1. Alberta is better off on it’s own. Make Queerbec a shithole. Same for Ontariowe; a shithole wonderland of diversity.

      1. I think most of those ‘non-white’ Calgarians have had enough of your bullshit, as much as the ‘white’ Calgarians.
        Who knew Ho Lee was such a racist? Or is that Butts dressed up as an Asian?

        1. 64

          How does pointing out that Calgary is as diverse , or more so, than Toronto have any thing to do with racism? It was in answer to ray’s; ” a shithole wonderland of diversity.” comment. I think you need to go back to kindergarten and take comprehension 101 a couple of times.

  2. Why pay for the cow when you can get the milk for free?

    The article says that the equalization payments will continue until the “gap” between Quebec and the “rich” provinces is closed. Can everyone say “bottomless pit”?

    Rupertsland now!

    1. Except because of $13,000,000,000 transfer payment last year Quebekistan was able to get a budget surplus – which makes it a “have” province.
      PM Bernier will stop this shit.

      1. Max will not be PM. Best case is that he splits the conservative vote and Trudeau gets reelected by default, thus hastening Alberta’s departure from Canada.

        1. Ed wrote “Best case is that he splits the conservative vote”. Looking at Scheer’s platform he is anything but “conservative”. Sucking up to special interest groups for votes or pandering to every minority is very Liberal-esque. I humbly suggest you get a clue prior to writing whatever nonsense.
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          Albertans won’t separate. The old stocks have been diluted with liberal voting diversity.

          1. The real goal of this Election is to provide an Administration of the Federal Government not born in Quebec. Hopefully it is not too late to Stop the misuse of the proven collusion between the Privy Council Office (PCO) and the Liberal Party Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) which has steadily brought the Nation of Quebec as the defacto Federal Governing selectors of Canada. It has steadily moved the Ordinary Average Canadian Citizen out of any consideration in the Agenda if not born into a False Narrative of French is an International Language beyond the former Colinies of France. — Actually Quebec as the 1735 – abandoned Franco-Culture along with the later Lousianna Purchase by the U.S.A. Government in 1803. Should stand proud as Their Nation and not be dependent on the Industry and Work Ethics of the Anglo-Culture of all other European Country immigration to North America.—- The Franco-Culture misuse of the Federal Government Bureaucracy Privy Council Office when ever The Liberal Party of Canada has unlimited access to Canada’s Tax-payer Funding Faucet. — Remember the Nation of Quebec’s Tax-Vault is not open for use By any Province or Territory?– It is the Anglo-Culture Tax-payers $$$$ which the Liberal Governments Grab for their personal self-interest & bureaucratic advancement.

          2. Big flaw in your thinking, the Libtards that moved to Alberta are fed up too, cuz now they are getting Humped. The numbers for Independence without anyone Leading or standing on a soapbox is running around 40% for the last 2 years. Better wake up, things have changed. Kenney is playing nice and this is pointing out the inequality. And it is pissing Alberta off more when we see Kenney being reasonable, and getting ridiculed. FU CANADA. Alberta has been robbed of 1T dollars since the 1960’s. Enough of your shit Canada.

        2. You are wrong, he will win. He is gathering votes from folks who have not voted for years. He is gathering votes from the libs and ndp. There is a strong underground movement afoot for the PPC and there is gonna be a few shocked folks out there this fall when he wins. I do not believe in polls as they never give an option for PPC and when they do, if you try to put PPC in nothing, it won’t let you. Read the party platforms of all four parties and vote for your beliefs, not out of fear.
          The CPC has not had my vote since Harper let it be known he was a globalist. They would never get my vote as milkboy is a globalist to. Besides, how can anyone vote for them when they rigged the leadership votes. They brought us to the New Republic of Canada. Wake up sheeple before it is too late. Four more years of milkboy, and the UN will be in charge of Canada.

      2. On a related note.
        Elections Canada has declared that because the PPC has declared that as policy they state that climate change is not man made, that any group advocating otherwise is subject to third party advertising limits during the campaign.
        So if say a front group for Tides shells out in excess of $500 for a poll, facebook ads etc. its considered election spending and subject to audit.
        So whether you like him, hate him, think his party will win or tank, he’s done something that will level the playing field.

        1. Yes, but they recognize his party here but will not let him in the debates. Where is free speech, why are not the other leaders up in arms about this. What are they afraid of? Welcome to the New Banana Republic of Canada. Brought to you by the libs, cons, ndp and greens.

          1. Why would any rational human want to be part of a “debate”, “moderated” by the NDP?

            Sorry, I meant Liberal Party.

            Sorry, I meant Chairman Mao.

            Sorry, I meant CBC.

    2. Equalization is a Marxist Program enshrined in Canada’s Fake Constitution by the old Commie Butt Sniffer Pierre Trudeau.
      Instead of calling it Communism which it is, he called it Equalization.
      Canadians never gave their consent to the Program like they never gave their consent to anything else he did. They were never asked. Not one adult man or woman in Canada was ever allowed to vote yes or no for any of these programs that affect them so deeply and their families.
      To quote Karl Marx. “From Each According To His Ability, To Each According To His Need.” Karl Marx. Does that sink in Canada. You are in actuality a COMMUNIST COUNTRY.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_needs

      1. Watcher
        And has been since DP Dickspanks POS Progenitor was elected PM. A guy who like his filthy rotten spawn, kissed the (_i_), of every Marxist/Communist pig on the planet.

        I was ready for Separation since Dec 24, 1981… My last day worked in Calgary at the time, as a 3rd yr Welding apprentice. My HATRED for the Name TRUDEAU has no end….trust me. The 2 of them have previously cost me a home, and destroyed a significant chunk of my working life since that time.

        I’d see the current MoFo hanging from a Meat hook…a result that would produce a very warm smile on my face. I doubt I am alone in that.

        Alsaskitoba with NWT/Yukon.
        Long overdue to leave this Disgusting pile of UN/Soros led Commie BS called Canada. And in the meantime….@BernierNation

          2. And Max was a Bloc Québécois member who talked about the fiscal imbalance; i.e. Quebec sends more money to Canada than it gets from Canada.

          3. Joe August 19, 2019 at 12:20 pm said:

            “And Max was a Bloc Québécois member”.

            Wrong. Maxime Bernier’s neutral bio here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxime_Bernier

            “Prior to being elected, Bernier held positions in law, financial and banking fields. After being elected, he served as Minister of Industry, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of State for Small Business and Tourism, which later became the Minister of State for Small Business and Tourism and Agriculture in the cabinet of then-Prime Minister Stephen Harper. Following the Conservatives’ defeat in the 2015 election, he served as opposition critic for Innovation, Science and Economic Development in the shadow cabinets of Rona Ambrose and Andrew Scheer, until June 12, 2018.”

            Multiple searches for Bernier even being a member of the BQ returns 0 results.

            No wonder fake conservatives will vote #LibCons but Scheer or Trudeau as PM will not change much.

            Go ahead Joe, insult me now.

          4. I’m not high on Scheer either. But he kicks crap out of Turdhole, and A guy who can barely speak English has Sooo many warning bells, especially where he is from.. Can’t trust those guys as far a I can throw them.. Practically every problem we have in our political structure comes from that province.. So thanks but no thanks.

          5. Re Ray at 1:24 PM

            I’m not going to insult you Ray. But I will ask where was Max from 1996 to 1998?

            Wikipedia gives the answer; working for Bernard Landry. Ditto Macleans and the Globe and Mail.

            Mr Landry said, “To work in my office you had to be an independandiste, which he (Max) was”.

            Of his time working for Mr Landry, Max said, “That was part of my past and I am proud of it.”

          6. AHH

            Uh Bud….Try reading his policy book..??
            THAT is what matters….I could give a rats (_i_) if the guy spoke KILINGON.
            Its what he does & what he says he would do that matters.
            As for the rest..?/ Fk each and every one of those Useless Globalist Communist Fascist Bastards.

          1. I would love it if Alberta separates. But I’d keep my Canadian citizenship and declare my home riding to be Papineau so I could vote Trudeau out. Or or second thought vote for him 🙂

      2. More dirt on Max (c 2010 Globe & Mail) : “Mr. Bernier, in a speech earlier this month, accused Quebec of being overly reliant on federal equalization money and argued that “many people in the rest of the country perceive Quebeckers to be a bunch of spoiled children”.

          1. So Joe please tell me where I can find the link to the Scheers Cons Platforms Page.

            I went on their website but they don’t state where it is.

            Why have the Cons hidden their platforms page Joe.

            They don’t want Canadians reading it?

            Here’s the PPC Platforms Page Joe

            https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform

            Joe can you please supply me the Cons Platforms Page?

            Thanks in advance

  4. Come on guys, this is Canada and they are entitled to their entitlements. They live off the labour of others. It is called socialism don’t ya know.

    1. OWG …. u beat me to it with the “entitled to their entitlements”. The transfer payment system is truly a mess and simply a government sanctioned Robin Hood program of theft and sending cash to Quebec and the maritimes.

  5. Canada has always been a CON-federation. There is only one way out for Alberta and Saskatchewan and that is the UDI. The UDI wipes out Corrupt Canadian Courts jurisdiction, all Indian Treaty’s, all contracts signed by Ottawa without your consent, Bilingualism, Multicult , Equalization, Ottawa Taxation, it will undo the Gordian Knot in one sword stroke.
    You can not vote your way to fairness and equal rights in Canada. You can not even win in court. The whole deck is completely stacked so you can never win.
    You will always be shackled to the Oars of the Slave Ship Canada as long as you consent to play by their rules.
    The only rule in Canada is that the House Always Wins. The sooner you understand that and plan accordingly the better off you and your family will be. “If You Have Not Suffered Enough, It Is Your God Given Right To Suffer Some More.”

    1. Yes

      Canada has always been a LIBCON-federation.

      Only managed by the LibCons so far

      The LibCons have kept the equalization Payments going including not changing it for this coming election.

      Only the PPC and Max have a Platform for Equalization

      https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/equalization_fairness_for_all_provinces

      That says a lot about who is conning Canadians and it’s the LibCons Party of one.

      Premier François Legault doesn’t have a say to equalization payments t’s a federal jurisdiction and can be changed by the federal party in power in Canada at anytime.

      The LibCons have never tried to change it! Why is that?

      Time to get off the Corrupt Globalist LibCons Merry-Go-Round and take our country back.

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECJvHhBU4AU3mPK?format=jpg&name=medium

        2. Your boy Andrew stated he will not make any changes to the transfer payments system. Status quo.
          Maxime stated he will officially scrap all transfer payments, equalization and other corporate welfare schemes. He will then reduce income tax levels.

          But go ahead and vote for Pandy Andy the centrist #LibCon, dude.

          1. When it was started in 1957, the equalization program had a noble intention: to ensure that all Canadians have access to a similar level of services from their provincial government, regardless of whether they live in richer or poorer provinces. Equalization was seen as a way to unite the country.

            Unfortunately, that is not how it turned out. The program is unfair and inefficient, both for citizens of richer provinces that do not receive equalization payments like Alberta and Saskatchewan—whose economies are hurting because of the downturn in the oil sector—and for citizens of provinces that have been on the receiving end for decades (Manitoba, Quebec, Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and PEI), because it keeps these provinces in a state of dependency and underdevelopment.

            Provinces should not be receiving equalization payments for decades, just like individuals should not be receiving welfare cheques all their lives. It’s time to stop rewarding provincial governments for not adopting better economic policies.

            The Constitution does not commit the federal government to spend $20 billion a year on equalization; does not prescribe any specific formula; and does not define what “reasonably comparable” means.

            A People’s Party government will:

            Reduce the total amount of equalization payments to provinces, and make sure that only the provinces with the greatest needs benefit from it.

            Establish a parliamentary committee to review and make recommendations on a new formula that will avoid the welfare trap and provide poorer provinces with the right incentives to adopt pro-growth economic policies and reduce their dependence on federal money.

            Ensure that the new formula respects our Constitution, makes provincial governments more responsible for their policy decisions, and is fair for citizens of all provinces.

          3. I stated the policy above your post, Joe

            So Joe what’s Scheers Platform on Equalization Transfers.

            Oh yeah the old LibCons status quo rears it’s ugly clown head again fot it doesn’t matter which dreaded LibCons is in power it’s all the same scam

            Canadians it’s time to get off the LibCons Clowns Globalist Corrupt Merry-Go-Round

            All the LibCons ever do is keep us circling the drain as they govern us all to fall further into totalitarianism as per the LibCons Globalist Plans

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9AbeALNVkk

          5. Max tweeted

            @francoislegault is badly misinformed if he believes that “when Quebec got into Canada, equalization was in the plan. It isn’t part of the original deal.”

            The program began only in 1957. And there is no reason we cannot change it today to make it fairer for ALL provinces.

            Sending a message to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, Premier François Legault said that Quebec has a right to equalization payments and won’t agree to overhauling the system https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/equalization-is-part-of-the-original-deal-and-quebec-will-fight-to-keep-it-says-premier-legault?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1566171656…

        3. Why would you say that, are you looking into your crystal ball again? Read and compare all the party platforms. The only one that is not a globalist is the PPC. The libs, cons, ndp and greens are very much the same.

    2. 1000% CORRECT.

      Liberals & Social Liberalism has completely infected EVERY Aspect of the Federal Govt and everyone of its Agencies.

      UDI indeed.

  6. I think the people in Honk Kong have a better understanding of what freedom is than smug, ignorant Canadians, let alone people in Alberta.
    K-becers are literally laughing all the way to the bank.
    I’ve had people tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to Alberta independence sentiment and I’m starting to think they’re right.
    A whole lotta talk.

    1. Made the mistake of following your link. Kenney is indeed catching a lot of flak, it would seem mostly from people that blame the Harper government for the formula. Colour me confused, but did equalization start in 2005? I could have sworn we have been paying through the nose long before then.

      However, it does highlight one important fact. Whoever is in power federally will pander to Quebec. The liarberals don’t care about Alberta or Saskatchewan (or the West at all, truth be told) The Cons take us for granted. A New Dominion is the only solution

      1. Read and compare all party platforms. The only one that is for Canada and is not globalist is the PPC. After doing this, vote your beliefs and vote for Canada, one cannot ask for more.

          1. me too… why anyone would want Peeairs diseased demented anti- democratic country to survive is really beyond any rational understanding. If you’re a french talker or a terrorist I understand, the country is built to cater to them, but for everyone else to want Peeairs country to survive is a real mystery.

  10. The pre-equalization revenue per person numbers I found a year ago had Quebec in 2nd place, just behind Newfoundland. Then Ontario, BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba , NS, NB, PEI.

    Post quiqualization, Quebec and Newfoundland flipped and order of revenue per person is QC, NF, NS, MB, NB, PEI, ON, BC, AB, SK.

    A little more than just closing a gap.

  11. Alberta had better get ready for the Trudeau, NDP, Green coalition after the election.

    1. Jason better buy lots of Vaseline he is going to get rode hard. Am doubtful Scheer has the juice to get a clear majority in a rigged game. And even if he does Alberta will still be FOOKED as the Irishman said. Even when the CON side of the UNIPARTY is in power they still pander to Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

    2. I agree with you Ontario John and a coalition between these three neo-communist parties will doom the country of Canada. I fear this more then another liberal majority. A coalition would force the break up of Canada.

  12. Ah yes, the puerile dream of a “Free and Glorious” Peoples Republic of Saskabertistan.

    I wonder if the first Chancellor of the Republic will be Nenshi or Ralphie ? Or will they bring Notley out of mothballs ?

    Will Redmonton be the capital ? Will they have Tommy Douglass’ head on the Saskabertistani ruble ?

    Saskabertistan… where they can only smell other peoples sh*t.

      1. The nerve.

        I will have you know I am middle aged ! The rest is fairly accurate though.

        1. SRC at least you still have your sense of humor, every old man is entitled to his cranky mornings until the coffee kicks in.

  13. I have little respect for Quebec as they have been taking this money for decades. Western Canadians should not be fooled by the idea that the problem resides in Quebec. Equalization is a political bribe made by Ontario to retain control of the federal government whether a LIB or CPC government. The actual transfer amount of +/- $13 billion is the superficial figure. Factor in the subsidies, loans and the outright pork payment to industry in Quebec and that number easily exceeds $25 billion a year. Combine this with the dominance of organized crime in Quebec and Ontario and it is a mouthful hard to swallow.

    As a conservative I find it hard to vote CPC and will not vote PPC which has a leader from Quebec. I will vote for leadership municipally, provincially and federally who will be prepared to move to separation as quickly as possible. The West has its share of the same carpetbaggers who dominate the east so a independent West has its own demons to expunge.

    1. You can not vote your way out in a rigged Federal election, you can’t negotiate your way out via the Clarity Act, You can’t win your case for Democracy ie 1 equal vote per person in a Corrupted SCOC. All you have left is UDI.

  15. We can thank our lucky stars that Premier Legault is one of those right-wing Quebec politicians and not from the left.

  16. None of the big six provinces should receive equalization except under extreme circumstances. Those 6 provinces all have enough land, resources and people to generate adequate revenue. If one of those provinces becomes richer than another then Canadian citizens can move there and share in the prosperity.

    Right now the equalization formula appears to be manipulated to ensure one province, Quebec, always receives the lions share of the total pot. The…but, but per capita Quebec isn’t the biggest recipient…argument is a silly diversion because there’s no reason a province as big and resource rich as Quebec should be getting any equalization payments. Quebec, aided by Ottawa, has been gaming the system for decades by setting up the formula to primarily benefit Quebec. Can anyone honestly say Quebec, given it’s generous social programs and businesses subsidies, is poor.

    1) Make the formula fair by including all resources fairly 2) Exclude all provinces that have a certain land, resource and population threshold. 3) redirect a portion of equalization payments to poor people instead of “poor” provinces, regardless of where those people live.

    1. None of them should get any equalization. PEI should not even be a Province it is a Welfare Province and always has been. The only reason they have remained a Province is so that the Rigged Voting scam can continue. PEI has the population of a good sized town. 140,000 people. Equalization is a Marxist/Communist Program instituted by Pierre Trudeau. It is pure unadulterated Marxism.
      “From Each According To His Ability, To Each According To His Needs” Karl Marx.

      1. It’s amazing to think that PEI has 140,000 pop, and then to think that there are 300,000 Canadians* in Hong Kong. When PM Turd decides to fly all those Canadians* to Canada,,,at our cost, we should put them all into PEI, and make it a real province. Heck, houses and land would finally be worth something, and it might not be too long before those ambitious HKers build up the water front with sky scrapers, and shipping harbours. They might even vote Conservative, no joking.

        1. Carl
          I second that motion.
          If nothing else it’ll keep em off Calgarys roads.!
          Just aks your friendly neighbourhod policeman just who the worst drivers are……

          Damn, I Do try hard as hell to keep my inner voice uner control

      2. Equalization is in the constitution and it’ll never be removed due to the amending process. Given that restraint, the best move is to minimize the distortion and resentment equalization creates. The population of the maritime provinces are very small and they have limited economic opportunities which was the primary motivation for equalization in the first place. Supporting them is cheap and manageable.

        Ottawa and Quebec have exploited and manipulated equalization for crass political purposes (Ottawa) and greed (Quebec). Now Ottawa, Quebec and the chattering class are pissed that Alberta is so rude as call out the obvious unfairness to BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan (and usually Ontario) taxpayers – “How uncouth of you complain that you are getting robbed” or “How dare you interrupt our cozy, exploitive arrangement”

        Quebec isn’t poor. Ottawa bribes them with western Canadian taxpayer’s money to get votes. It is a simple, uncomplicated political racket. The ones trying to convince us it’s complicated are the ones who benefit from the exploitation.

        1. Does not change the fact that Equalization is a Marxist Program, and yes it can be changed with the 1st Province that picks up the hammer of UDI and says FU Canada and FU Ottawa, and FU Corrupt SCOC.
          If Jason Kenney was standing with a Democratically Supported Mandate to go UDI in his hand Quebec, the ROC and Ottawa would never be able to get enough Depends to keep their pants clean.
          Somebody in this God Forsaken Gulag needs to call their Bluff. A Democratic Mandate for a full UDI will do that, nothing else will. We tried the west wants in, You can not vote your way out of the BS in Canada it is a Rigged Con/Lib game. You can not win in the Corrupted SCOC, You can not negotiate with them, look at Legualt laughing in the face of Kenney trying to talk reason and fairness for the citizens of ALberta. FU Canada, ESAD. Go UDI Alberta

          1. I think Alberta would be the richest country in North America within a decade after separation. Canada has offered no convincing reasons or benefits for Alberta to stay in confederation, only insults and threats. Canada is economically dependent on Alberta (and the rest of the western have provinces) continued acquiesce to getting screwed over by central Canada. When that acquiesce ends, then the Ottawa/Quebec equalization game is over. Alberta has far more power to enact change than most of its voters realize…just start pulling out of the same federal programs that Quebec has opted out of and demand the same compensation when it opts out. I think that’ll get central Canada’s attention and super charge Alberta’s bargaining power in confederation

            If not, separation is plan B

            But, the maritime provinces probably do need extra cash from the central government and it costs very little to provide it to them. Alberta supporting equalization payments for the small maritime provinces would gain a lot of goodwill, I think.

      3. It has 4 MPs as well. 1 for each of the 30 or 40k residents. Some of the Alberta constituencies have had as many as 200,000 residents leading up to redistricting.
        I believe they have 4 Senators. For 130k or so residents.
        Alberta has 6. For about 4 million or so residents. % Liberals and 1 (ONE) Conservative!!!
        We are so SCREWED!

  17. I agree. Ab and sk must leave within a year before we become total basket cases economically.

    1. If Alberta and Saskatchewan bail we can bribe Manitoba, the Yukon, and the NWT to come on board. They would have only 1/6 of the population and require them to be open for business. If the NWT didn’t open up its oil and gas industry they would get no cash.

      Build a pipeline to Churchill and store a whack of oil there to ship in the 90 day shipping season plus invest in some ice breaking tankers to double the shipping season.

      Make a deal with the US to build a double track railway from Fort McMurray to Valdez, Alaska and South to the rust belt. We could have an alternate salt water oil port and Alaska’s mineral industry could be developed.

      Once we are independent we could try to recover mineral rich Peace River, Ungava and Keewatin which we stolen from Rupert’s Land after we were purchased like slaves for £300,000. Make the Indian industry and almost everything else a provincial matter. Nunavut? Give it to Greenland or the Chinese unless they guarantee to develop their mineral resources.

    2. LC Bennet why should Alberta continue to send money to anyone. Not one of the eastern Provinces will support Alberta ending the Theft of the Marxist Program call Equalization that has taken 1T from Albertans since 1960’s. Damn well time they pulled their own freight. As to Atlantic Canada needing help, as an Albertan I could care less what they need. They have sucked the taxpayers tit so long they got bucked teeth now. Not our Circus not our Problem. F’EM.

    3. Denis – Saskatchewan is on its own. Too damn many Crowns!
      Alberta has enough problems with the unions that we have.

  18. SCRAP CANADUH!!!!! The idea of confederation might be OK in theory, but in practice it is a complete failure. When the Federal government is decided before the polls close in Alberta, we have no representation in said government. Time for a Unilateral Declaration of Independence. Alberta will NEVER recover with the boot of the Federal government at the ready to crush the economy to punish voters. Would you invest your hard earned dollars somewhere with no free market?
    Yeah, me neither.

  19. I want to believe that Jason Kenney is not a stupid person. He’s been in the game a long time. He knows damn well how it works. Quebec is never, ever, ever, going to agree to give up a dime in equalization, and Ottawa is never, ever, ever, going to go against Quebec.

    So is Jason Kenney actually working for Alberta, or is he merely showboating? If the former, I’d expect to see him taking significant steps to untangle Alberta from Ottawa as much as possible within current constitutional constraints. If the latter, I’d expect to see him .. doing exactly this. Having meaningless meetings with hopelessly hostile opponents (and make no mistake, Quebec & Ottawa are opponents of Alberta), posting pointless Twitter videos talking about meaningless equalization referendums, blah blah blah.

    Kenney is positioning himself for a future Prime Ministerial run. He’s using Alberta as his springboard to do so. He’s not there to do Alberta any actual good in the process. It was about the safest possible provincial leadership position for which he could run. All he really had to do was stamp out those Wild Rose pests, win the party leadership, and the election wins itself. Now he postures, and postures, and postures, and nothing of substance actually changes.

    You’re being used, Alberta. And we’re being set up for a future PM Jason Kenney who won’t do a damn thing for the country as a whole either. He learned at Harper’s feet, remember. Tinker with some things, sure, make us look respectable on the world stage, but leave the big-L Liberal infrastructure of the country fully intact, ready for the next Liberal dope to retake power and keep driving this country into the ditch.

    Short version: get bent, Kenney.

    1. I hope you are wrong, but fear you are right.

      Sask, AB, northern BC and all the territories would be a nice new country.

      2. Yes, it would be a nice new country and a rich plum to be plucked. Do you have any idea of how it could be defended?

          1. The globalists, the Chinese, the Americans , the Laurention elite the un…anyone stronger. Surely you don’t think we would be left in peace simply because there could be no motive but greed to attack us?

    2. In Canadian politics, being Premier of Alberta would be a determent for winning the job of Prime Minister.

      I have always thought that in politics,,, leveraging your own people got you further.
      For example elect Scheer, then use your own vote to leverage him to do what you want. If he doesn’t have AB or SK supporting him, he’ll have nothing and won’t be office long. When/If Scheer is PM, that’s when you amp up the separation of AB and SK. Make your own man do it, threaten your own man for changes to equalization or separation.
      Even the appearance of Scheer giving some relief to the west, may cause Quebec to revisit separation again. Then if we don’t go, maybe there’s a way for Quebec to go?

    3. Watch out for Kenny. He is a sheep in disguise, he is a total globalist. Just look at the things he said when he was in Ottawa.

    5. They say the perfect post does not exist, and yet you’ve written it. Bravo.

      Kenney’s been pretty ho-hum as Premier. He did get rid of some regulatory restrictions on inter-provincial trade but the tide of pink slips for Pubsec workers and spending cuts for government that the SDA faithful went holy rollin’ about have yet to materialize. And probably never will.

      Thing is, Alberta is not as ‘conservative’ as people like to pretend and probably never was. I’m a separatist but I don’t expect separation.

  20. Now everybody watch, as Kenney bends over, grabs his ankles, and thinks if the Queen.

    No one who will ever stand for election is going to pull the rip cord. If you actually want separation, it is going to be a lot uglier, and a great deal more difficult than you think.

  22. I have always thought that in politics,,, leveraging your own people got you further.
    For example elect Scheer, then use your own vote to leverage him to do what you want. If he doesn’t have AB or SK supporting him, he’ll have nothing and won’t be office long. When/If Scheer is PM, that’s when you amp up the separation of AB and SK. Make your own man do it, threaten your own man for changes to equalization or separation.
    Even the appearance of Scheer giving some relief to the west, may cause Quebec to revisit separation again. Then if we don’t go, maybe there’s a way for Quebec to go?

  23. Now now be nice. It is like being mean to the special kid that goes to the special school where they teach one not to eat dirt. They speak a language no one in N America except people in the US swamps speak and expect you to understand them. Add to that Ontario dropping their education system to the point this makes sense and you end up with the Liberal Party and lots of expensive windmills.

  24. There is one other thing that would cause Canada headaches. If Kenney had the nuts to go talk to Trump about becoming a 51st State. Invite Trump to Alberta and show him what we have to offer. Hell he wants to buy Greenland for strategic reason’s. Alberta has far more to offer Trump than Greenland. The wee Groper would piss his pants right there.

    3. Why would anyone with money/resources want to be part of the US? Now you’ll have 50 bankrupt states wanting your wealth.

  25. “Premier François Legault said that Quebec has a right to equalization payments [from Alberta] and won’t agree to overhauling the system”.

    If we’re being accurate here…

  26. Quebec is Canada’s biggest and oldest Indian Reserve. The major difference between it and other Indian Reserves, other than its size, is that instead of a racial ghetto, Quebec is an ethnic ghetto. The sense of resentment and entitlement are the same. They both talk of independence and sovereignty but prefer to mine Canadian taxpayers though the politics of the federal government. They both have no respect for the people and institutions that fund them. No electable federal politician will change the situation for either ghetto as the politics of pandering is baked into confederation.

    2. The natives are OUR palistinians.. Just not as violent…YET!.. The feds are doing their best to give them their own governmental powers.. How long will it be before we will need internal passports, to travel cross country?

  27. I am curious as to how Quebec has the “right” to equalization. Is it enshrined in the constitution that they never signed? How long can it go on that 9 parties to a contract must cater to every whim and desire to the one party that refuses to sign the contract?

    One starts to think that Legault is perhaps a little more clever than we give him credit. He must be returning to his separatist roots and is trying to so anger the contributors to the welfare scam (Alberta and Saskatchewan) that they will leave and the whole house of cards collapses leaving an independent Quebec.

    A re-election of Le Dauphin in October will only prove that Canada is a concept that died long ago. It is time for a new reality and a New Dominion in North America. A nation where equality before the law and the ability to live one’s life as one chooses are forever enshrined. It must begin with Alberta and Saskatchewan leaving. We will welcome whoever wants to join us, be it BC (or parts of it) Manitoba or Ontario and the Maritimes. We can even welcome Quebec, but they must understand that 1> All are equal before the law 2> English is the sole language of British North America 3> The Welfare scam is OVER!

    1. We were all taught that the English won the Battle on the Plains of Abraham but it seems like K-bec one the war. They control the federal bureaucracy and have 1/3 of SCOC judges. Do they control the CAF as well? What about CSIS? They have basically outlawed anything other than the French language and Canadians keep voting for K-bec Prime Ministers. It seems that K-bec is getting the ROC to pay off its debt. When that’s finished they’ll probably separate. Juthtin said that K-becers are better. They’re certainly treated as if they are.

      1. Yet… the only one of the federal leaders that’s speaking sense to me is Maxime Bernier, from Quebec.

        Which doesn’t make sense.
        *not contesting anything you’ve said above.

        1. Its bizarre.
          I could maybe vote for an ex-K-becer, but nobody from that province is ever getting my vote unless they want to take K-bec out of Canada.
          We know a lot of the “separation” talk from K-bec power brokers was just that, talk to get more from the ROC. But I also think the Feds were in on the game the whole time. Trudeau and Levesque, Mulroney, Bouchard and Chretien were probably laughing, and those still left, still are, shaking their heads at the stupidity of the ROC.
          That province has never been better off than it is right.

      2. we can thank a royal for that situation.
        hrh vicky decided ottawa was THE place for the spankin new nation’s capital.
        right
        across
        the
        river
        from
        keybeck.

        other choice tranna was rejected because of ‘fears’ of a repeat of 1812.
        so there ya have it, out in the boonies, they FINALLY finished the friggin 4 lane highway 5 or 6 yrs ago
        after humming and hawwing for 10 times that.
        velcum hall to ze retarted zhihant called canaduh.

        any Qs regarding why things are so stooooopid in canaduh, jist lOOk at the voters’ track record:
        lieberal
        lieberal
        lieberal
        liebedral
        CONservatist
        lieberal
        lieberal
        lieberal

        etc etc

  28. Kleptocracy requires large flows of moneys so all may take their cut;their reward for helping the taxpayer.
    Equalization is a perfect tool for institutionalized theft.
    It is too early to judge Kenney’s path,as he would have to go through the dog and pony show regardless of where he hopes to go.
    I believe it is a mistake to jeer at the “intent” of Albertans,their voting record federally is quite interesting and they’re not the kind of people to make empty threats.
    If the Trudeau Government is reelected,that will be a boon to Western Separation,which is an idea being thoughtfully considered by a lot of Albertans.
    So who can make the case for Confederated Canada?
    Cause I’m not seeing it.
    The financial numbers promote Separation.The bill is coming due.
    The social climate is pushing self reliant citizen away from central government.
    What use is Confederated Canada to Alberta and Saskatchewan?

    1. The question that should be asked is; If Alberta was a separate entity right now, and was invited to join Canada under the current terms and conditions, would you join? Only a profoundly stupid person would say yes to that question.

      1. Yep. There are very few benefits for Alberta in confederation. Fewer still that Alberta as an independent country could not provide. Once the rest of Canada decided to prevent Alberta from shipping any more of its fossil fuels across the country and to ports -while simultaneously refusing to make equalization fairer- the last economic reason for Alberta to stay has disappeared.

        Being bound by unfair economic policies, bizarre court rulings and and unequal political representation has created this mess and there doesn’t seem to be any way to improve the situation within confederation.

      2. Only a profoundly deluded person would waste a second responding to such a hypothetical, reality-free question.

        1. A few months ago, on facebook or some other similar platform, somebody started a post about selling Montana to Canada. Got me to thinking as I often visit Montana. Essentially, their taxes would triple, they would be stripped of their property rights, they would have signs in a foreign language pop up everywhere, and perhaps worst of all, their beer would double in price!

          Now, of course, that was all in jest. However, I can recall a few years ago when it was suggested the Turks and Caicos should join Canada. I think the thought was that they could enjoy Canada’s largess but then realized that it is only a one way street.

          Given the benefit of hindsight, one realizes that the West has certainly not been a net beneficiary of confederation. Given the benefit of current reality and prospects, the conclusion is inescapable.

          So I will put away my profound delusion and not ask hypotheticals but will look at the cold hard facts of our current and past reality. The West has been bent over and fornicated and that will never change. No amount of ad-hominem attacks by a liarberal troll can change that REALITY

        2. So you got nothing, JJM. 🙂

          I can’t think of any good reasons for Alberta to stay, either. Bland, overpriced cheese and dairy from Quebec?

      3. Ah but you missed the fact that Alberta is full of profoundly stupid people. Who voted for Nenshi? Who voted for Notley? Alberta is 59% communist and 41% red-neck. Separation is futile.

  29. As usual, equalization – which is certainly worthy of hard discussion as to its value as a useful expenditure of Canadian taxpayers’ money – becomes a convenient grump for the usual culprits at SDA.

    The flights of fantasy I’ve been reading here about just how swell things would be for Alberta if it separated are particularly amusing.

    1. Oh Oh the all Knowing Wankerati has woken from his nap in mommy’s basement in Ontario.

    2. Canada needs to let Albertans know what these great benefits are if they remain in confederation. From Saskatchewan all I see is Alberta giving $20 billion more to Canada than it receives in transfers while getting nothing but shit and abuse in return, a scolding if they want to talk about meaningful reform, then insults and threats when separation sentiment begins to rise.

      Perhaps you, JJM, could share some benefits given by confederation or reasons for staying in confederation with Albertans. Positive reasons though, not just about the chaos of leaving. I, in all seriousness, cannot see why Albertans would want to stay in a Canada that treats them this badly.

      1. “From Saskatchewan all I see is Alberta giving $20 billion more to Canada than it receives in transfers…”

        Alberta doesn’t give a red cent to Canada in “transfers”. There is no “Alberta” on the input side of equalization.

        Canadian taxpayers in every province and territory pay for equalization (yes, that’s right, even Canadian taxpayers in Québec). If equalization were abolished tomorrow, nothing would change for Alberta; the taxes would just be used for some other Federal expenditure.

        Of course, the Federal government could then decide to offer an across-the-board reduction in income tax for every Canadian but if you believe that any government would cheerily forego such revenues, you really do live in Lalaland.

        1. good grief.
          talk about convoluted thinking.
          try this wanker:
          graph where the taxpayers LIVE against how much they are taxed for this purpose.
          then let someone who understands money, propose what benefits would accrue IN THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE THE TAXPAYER LIVES if the taxation did NOT happen and those dollars were freed up to be spent/taxed locally/saved/invested LO-CAL-LY ie within THAT province.

          m’kay? that clear it up for ya?

          1. Are you saying that the rate of Federal taxation for a Canadian taxpayer living in Red Deer, Alberta is higher than for a Canadian taxpayer living in Barrie, Ontario?

            I don’t think so.

          2. ?
            ah, more convoluted thinking. soooo . . . .
            where the FCUK did I say *anything* about tax RATES?
            Im referring to ONLY the total dollars sucked up in taxes that go into transfer payments that could very well go into a host of OTHER directions, including STAYING PUT IN THE POCKETS OF THE TAXPAYER.
            wherever they live.

            over to you wanker !!!!

        2. I notice you didn’t answer my fairly simple question. Don’t feel bad. No one in the rest of Canada seems to be able to answer that question. I assume that is because there are so few positive benefits for Alberta in confederation.

          On to the diversion. You fail to acknowledge that if Alberta separated then Canada would lose 20 billion dollars per year from Alberta taxpayers. It’s simply distraction word games/ splitting hairs between the province of Alberta and its taxpayers. That 20 billion dollar loss per year would devastate Canada’s finances. Everything, including equalization payments, would have to be reduced. The loss of Alberta would also dramatically change the equalization payouts because Alberta’s GDP per capita (fiscal capacity) is so much higher than any other province so the difference between “have’s and have-not’s” would be considerably smaller.

          If Ottawa reforms equalization and switched to straight per capita funding then Alberta would get fairer treatment.If the 6 largest provinces were excluded equalization would be smaller. If all resources were treated equally, equalization would be fairer There is lots of ways to make equalization fairer- fir have provinces but no one is allowed to talk about it And the issue is about fairness to Albertans.

          Even if the rest of Canada just stopped fucking up oil transport and pipelines…Alberta would be happier. But the rest of Canada is both being unfair in equalization and harming Alberta’s economy. The rest of Canada is all but chasing Alberta out of the door with pitchforks while also mugging them.

          1. An essential part of separatist dogma involves the assumption that “we would be so much better off” even though this simply amounts to wishful thinking about a future we cannot possibly predict.

          2. Albertans keeping 20 billion dollars per year that it currently gives to Ottawa amounts to more than wishful thinking, does it not? The ability of Alberta to craft it’s own trade, tax and environmental laws is also not wishful thinking.

            These are real, tangible improvements to the current situation of being exploited and hobbled by Ottawa and the rest of Canada.

        3. You are correct in how equalization works. Sorry, but let me give you another deluded hypothetical; what happens if Alberta and Saskatchewan leave? If the current equalization formula stays for the ROC, you will have to pick up the tab somehow. Expect a HUGE tax increase. Me? If the same level of spending is maintained here, every Man, Woman and Child would get, on average, a $5000 tax break. If I am incorrect, please provide evidence including calculations

        4. JJM

          You are intellectually correct. Alberta doesn’t give a single red cent to Ottawa. Neither do Albetans. There are no red cents in Canada. 🙂

          I didn’t mind Albertans sharing the wealth with the rest of Canada. But this “we don’t want your dirty oil, but keep sending the money” annoys me to the point that I want Alberta to leave Canada. And a greater number of people I talk to out here are no longer dismissing that idea.

          It’s Canadian money from Canadian tax payers, but when Alberta wants to export its oil, all of a sudden BC and Quebec talk about provinces.

    3. Hay, if we are going to governed by corrupt frigging morons like Justin Trudeau, then we in the West might as well be ELECTING OUR OWN MORONS.
      We really don’t need one from Quebec to govern us.

      And besides, we can then at least get rid of our own idiot President any time we want .

      Thanks for the swell suggestion JJM. LOL

  31. No matter who is elected in Oct. things in Canada have started down hill bad.
    Alberta’s share of the National GDP is almost 16%. Meaning it produces more GDP than all the Provinces and Territories except BC/Ontario and Quebec.
    Without Alberta’s GDP Canada is gone or in major Poverty.
    The world economy is turning down fast. China appears to be imploding from being forced into fair trade with the USA and it I dragging down the world economy. Canada is toast anyway.
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/17/china-shifts-purchase-priorities-from-manufacturing-materials-to-food/#more-168462

    1. An essential part of separatist dogma involves the assumption that “we would be so much better off” even though this simply amounts to wishful thinking about a future we cannot possibly predict.

      1. JJM, you must getting scared this separation thing might be gaining steam. You must be smart enough to see that without Alberta, this country dissolves very quickly. I am not sure if you are from Ontario or Quebec, but your life probably gets quite a bit more expensive the day after Alberta becomes a nation. I, frankly, don’t give a shnizzle how much it costs you, but I might be able to make a living again without having to feed your sorry ass.

        1. jjm is a Uneducated Nimcompoop and a 1st class Wankerati from Ontario. You may as well try and explain something to your Goldfish. Oh look a castle. glub, glub. Oh look a treasure chest. glub. glub.

          1. thats funny. glub glub.
            how are ya doin’ watcher?
            the jjm is a prime example of broken brain syndrome.

      2. Let me make a prediction based upon prior fact. The West will continue to pay more into confederation than we get from it. Please provide evidence to the contrary

        1. Chris,

          Interesting point. I can’t provide firm evidence, but more and more people I talk to in Alberta are warming up to the idea. Formerly these people would have dismissed the thought of separation.

          It will take a while but conditions for separation are improving.

      3. A central Plank in Canadian Communism is Equalization. It is pure Marxism. “From each according to his ability to each according to his needs” Karl Marx.

  32. Equalization is basically a protection racket — give us your money or we leave Canada. I’m not sure what the downside to that would be, other than possible disruption of shipping down the St Lawrence and through the Cabot Straits.

    As for Ontario getting any equalization, that is just ridiculous when or if it happens.

    I would cut it one-third at a time on an annual basis 2020 to 2022 then scrap it forever. If those “have not” provinces can’t come up with a sound economic foundation and balance their own books, then no way should western Canada be doing that for them. It just ends up making everything more expensive for western Canadians. That may be tolerable in boom times but in resource based provinces the economy tends to go in boom-bust cycles and nobody’s equalizing our deficits when it’s bust.

    Having been to court in Ontario, and spending a good part of my life there before moving west, I have come to realize that we really do have two different countries now and we might as well make it official. Western Canada has a different outlook and the way Canada is set up, it’s really just Ontario on a larger scale, take it or leave it. I’m sure Ontarians wouldn’t want a model of Canada that was basically Alberta, take it or leave it.

    I would say leave it.

    1. Sum Ting Wong, that’s what the new Chinese father said when the nurse carried out his new son to him the 1st time and it was black. “Sum Ting Wong”

      1. He was killed in a tragic event when Bang Ding Ow accidentally drove over him while backing-up in the hotel parking lot.

        1. He died when the ambulance didn’t arrive fast enough, it was because the nearby witness Wang the Wong number, phoned 411 instead of 911.

  34. Okay, so there is a liarberal troll yanking the chain of all of us here on SDA. Great! Kate has graciously provided an open platform for different views on the news items she thinks important to bring to interested readers. We should welcome open, honest debate on FACTS.

    It has been correctly pointed out that Alberta does not stroke a cheque to Quebec, the feds do. That is correct. It is also correct that a person who lives in Melville is taxed at the same level as a person from Miramichi. However, it is perfectly and abundantly clear that the feds spend far more in Quebec than they earn in revenues from Quebec and the opposite is true in Alberta. The feds spend far less in Alberta than they take in revenues. Please show me any other country on this planet where this is enshrined in law.

    Now, the purpose of this equalization is to ensure the equality of social programs and government spending. REALLY? Please show me the average cost of post-secondary education in Quebec vs. Alberta. How about who pays for their “exemplary” day-care program. Do they offer dental coverage? We don’t have that in Alberta, we pay for Quebec. We also have to pay to have their dying language and “culture” rammed down our throats.

    I will ask again. What happens to equalization if the West leaves? I would absolutely love for you to find out.

    1. Great, here is your opportunity to provide a fact based argument as to how all we troglodytes are wrong. I ask you again, what happens when we say enough? Please provide the calculation for the equalization payments. Otherwise, this is a debate that we in the West will have.

      1. On the contrary, I’m not the separatist here.

        The onus is entirely on you to provide a “fact-based” argument as to why we should wreck Confederation.

        1. Actually, no. If Alberta calls a separation referendum then pro-separation groups only have to convince a majority of Alberta voters. The rest of Canada will be watching from the sidelines. The clarity act won’t mean squat if Alberta votes to separate, just a meaningless piece of paper in the hands of politicians from a foreign country.

        2. We? So you are from the West? Okay. Why should we stay in a country that derides us as bigoted, rednecks. As being solely responsible for “global warming” Who will not allow us to sell our products. Who will gladly buy the same product from a backward culture that forces women to wear bags over their heads and actually crucifies people. Read that again, Quebec has no social appetite for oil from their “fellow” Canadians but they happily buy the exact same product, from people that behead and CRUCIFY people.

          YET! They still demand that we pay them their tribute to keep them in Confederation. What Confederation??? Quebec hasn’t even signed the blessed constitution yet they get to dictate how the whole country operates.

          It is with great respect for Kate that I will not resort to foul language, though I am sorely tempted.

          The FACTS are incontrovertible. Alberta, Saskatchewan and BC have been royally screwed by confederation. The facts are there for anyone to see. Even the GOC has provided that information. Now YOU, provide evidence to the contrary. Or are you to busy counting your fully indexed pension from that same GOC.

          Until you provide evidence otherwise, I am done.

    2. “If equalization were abolished tomorrow, nothing would change for Alberta; the taxes would just be used for some other Federal expenditure.”
      Ok JJM how about we reverse the equalization tomorrow and put it in Alberta’s favour and K-bec’s disadvantage.

      The reason confederation doesn’t work is because the federal government doesn’t treat Canadians equally. Specifically, K-becers get more.

      2. The biggest change for you in Ontario jjm is that the Marxists in Ottawa would start force feeding you canned seal meat and blubber from NFLD, no more Alberta Beef.
        Alberta would probably adopt the US dollar so beef and wheat meaning bread would go way up, especially if Sask. jumped on board.
        We would ship all oil and gas through the USA, so you would no longer get cheap oil and gas from Alberta. You would be on world price. So home heating and gasoline diesel would be up in price.
        Yah start looking up seal meat recipes. If you called Alberta there would be no French Service. And anything you bought from Asia would cost more as we would have tariff’s on all goods crossing Alberta east and west. Plus Canada would have an automatic drop in National GDP of 16% which is how big Alberta’s contribution is to CON GAME called Canada. Plus you would get to pay for all the have not Provinces.

    3. That’s not true jjm, we love you here, you are just so precious. We would all be lost without your wisdom. Glub Glub Oh look a castle.
      I mean the alternative is brutal. We could club you like a seal.

    4. Once again, the usual mix of delusional thinking, ranting and insults

      Enough about yourself please.

  36. The freedoms as presented in the Constitution of Canada don’t represent what western Canadians want.
    There is no way of repairing the damage caused by this document.
    I’m not interested in continuing the Canadian’s idea of “equalization”.

    Equalization isn’t even the be all end all to having Alberta separate from old Canada.
    The Senate doesn’t serve provincial interests, and representation is completely out of sync.
    The SCOC rarely gets it right, and none of the provinces are represented to their satisfaction except for Quebec.
    The SCOC believe the Constitution is a “living document” and are free to make shit up as they go along as opposed to reading the Constitution as “saying what it says and not saying what it doesn’t say”. (this idea from Scalia from the SCOTUS). Laws are not meant to be made up on the fly.

    Albertans (and those in other western provinces) are not permitted to have property rights, the gun legislation in Canada is ridiculous, and federal laws applying to self defense or immigration don’t represent what western Canadians want.
    The Constitution of Canada was written by a marxist, and isn’t amendable. Break it up.

    We should separate, regardless of who is elected to the federal gov’t. Begin negotiations on secure passage of goods between BC and old Canada, assuming they (BC) decide to stay in Canada, that includes oil passageways to both major coasts.

    If the idea of having Liberals win is repugnant, how would it be any different if the Conservatives were elected? marginal differences at best.

    Break free, Canada is broken. Nothing that old Canada has promised in order to keep the west within Canada has panned out, they all lie incessantly and say whatever they think is necessary in order to keep us under their thumb.

    Say adios… while we’re still mostly friends.

    1. There is nothing in the fake Constitution that any adult male or female in Canada was consulted on. Nothing. Even the stupid flag a rancid maple leaf is a Quebec emblem and it was forced through by 8 Liberal MP’s while Parliament was in recess. They did not even have a quorum. But it was for Quebec. Well FU Quebec and FU Canada. We want out of your nuthouse and off the Slave ship Canada. Shove it all where the sun don’t shine. Every July 1st I am going to start a new tradition I am going to burn a red rag as a reminder of how we are held captive in the Canadian Gulag. Burn that shit.

  40. Let’s face it. Alberta doesn’t have separation balls. Alberta has pay and complain balls. Totally different balls. Wrong kind. Pay and complain balls are painted yellow and red with a splash of orange.

    1. Quebec collects its own provincial income taxes. Alberta could do the same thing and de facto destroy equalization.
      That will be the first fatal shot to federalism should Trudeau and his eastern apartheid sycophants prevail this fall.

  41. Max tweeted

    @francoislegault is badly misinformed if he believes that “when Quebec got into Canada, equalization was in the plan. It wasn’t part of the original deal.”

    The program began only in 1957. And there is no reason we cannot change it today to make it fairer for ALL provinces.

    Sending a message to Alberta Premier Jason Kenney, Premier François Legault said that Quebec has a right to equalization payments and won’t agree to overhauling the system

    https://montrealgazette.com/news/quebec/equalization-is-part-of-the-original-deal-and-quebec-will-fight-to-keep-it-says-premier-legault?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1566171656…

    Neither the Liberals or Cons have any want to change the Equalization Payments

    Any Way You Want It, that’s the way you need it, any way you want it for it’s the PPC way.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgvnZIxOX08

    And here’s the @peoplespca plan to do it.

    https://www.peoplespartyofcanada.ca/platform

    Canada First not Globalism

  42. Thing is, equalization is only a part of this and arguably the least awful: there’s regional development boards, the way EI is skewed, etc.

    The other thing is, we could do even worse than equalization. What if the federal government just spends the money on stuff that’s even worse and concentrates power in its hands? This is basically the situation in the US: they have tons of ‘equalization’ in the form of military contracts designed to award jobs to influential states, MASSIVE farm and ethanol subsidies to keep Iowa happy, etc. Equalization is bad but its few-strings attached nature makes it a lot better than some likely alternatives.

    The other other thing is that equalization can’t be made ‘fair’ or at least not wholly so. As soon as the money is out of the taxpayer’s pocket, it’s gone. Does it really matter if that gets spent on dumb BS in your province or another? Who cares? Such thinking is collectivism.

    1. All you bed wetting Commies miss the whole damn POINT. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS MONEY. IT was taken from somebodies family in Alberta and thrown around by greasy corrupt politicians to buy votes.
      From Greedy B*stards in Eastern Canada and Quebec and screw the Families and workers of Alberta. FU Canada Rot in Hell.

    2. UnMe

      Interesting point, but allow me to point out that the Canadian feds already do what you say the US does. Although I accept your point about the pork barrel military spending in the US.

    3. When equalization provides a province with means for social programs, like daycare, which the donor provinces cannot, then it’s an obvious and obscene failure. Of course the socialist answer is to enlarge government and tax for daycare everywhere.

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