@DrJacobsRad – Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline?
That’s my bet.
Discuss.
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“Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline?”
The pipeline will not be built, nor will 4.5 billion be paid… This is a scam by the New World socialists that promise everything, but deliver nothing….The investment climate in Canada is DEAD….
Canada imported the Black Problem ( was not an issue for >100 years)..The Canadian Social experiment needs “every” problem….
When the Canadian Dollar reaches.. 32 cents ..maybe some people will wakeup in this experiment gone bad….
JMHO
…and interest rates in double digits.
“When the Canadian Dollar reaches.. 32 cents ..maybe some people will wakeup in this experiment gone bad….” Not likely. The media will make sure of that. Please see Venezuela.
Seems to me this is a fabulous opportunity for vast amounts of Liberal style corruption and graft in addition to assuring the pipeline won’t get built. Expect government contracts for vast amounts of various components for making pipelines to be awarded all over Quebec.
Exactly. Not only will the pipeline probably not get built, hundreds of millions of tax dollars will end up in the pockets of Liberal Party bagmen. Hundreds of millions more will be spent on social license, affirmative action, and other virtue signalling shite in a probably successful attempt to buy votes from special interest blocs. And of course the Liberal Party itself will get its cut. This is a huge win for Shiny Pony, but I see only a slim hope for any upside for Alberta.
Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline? That would be my bet too. It’s the OLP gas plant scandal x 5. By the pipeline, pretend to be serious about building it, but make no progress. Secretly let their environmental allies know they have no intention of building it, and the news goes away. $4.5B takes away any lingering possibility that KM stays in the news cycle by officially abandoning the project. Sure, it means nobody in their right mind will invest in large Canadian projects, but will the media report a lack of something happening? Not likely.
Cherry Point
The people of British Columbia are not opposed to jobs and pipelines.
British Columbians are opposed to increasing tanker shipments from Burnaby seven fold, the destruction of marine life, tourism and the B.C. Economy.
Alberta can sell oil to foreign markets simply by diverting the K.M. pipeline to export from Washington State with the side option of sales to any of the five, [ 5 ] refineries in that state.
Burnaby’s fire chief complains he can not protect Burnaby from a refinery fire if bitumen capacity is increased. So the K.M. pipeline directly risks the community of Burnaby . Tankers snake under two bridges between Vancouver City and North Vancouveer thus risking the whole B.C. economy.
A diversion to safer export from Cherry point Washington State makes sense. Their safety and spill control is far more advanced.
There will never be a refinery built in B.C. with five [ 5 ] refineries nearby in Washington State. Anthony Robinson [TG]
Wrong on all accounts. The Governor of Washington is aligned with his fellow left coast watermelons in BC and doesn’t want it. Even if he did, those tankers would be traversing the same Salish Sea waters under less stringent standards than Canada’s.
What in the hell is the “Salish Sea”? My guess its a new Marxist name to placate the Indians.
Yeah it’s the new PC name for the Gulf of Georgia/Strait of Georgia. Put it alongside such nonsense as “The Great Bear Rainforest” and Haida Gwaii.
How long before we go back to being called Turtle Island and we get to see PM Pixie Dust apologizing for it, complete with blubbering in public ?
And when we become Turtle Island again, will we still be post-national?
Arguments like yours may just make the people of Alberta wonder why they should remain a Canadian Province rather than just become a US State. That would make sense, wouldn’t it?
The tankers will increase commercial shipping into Vancouver by 14%.
Oil tankers are responsible for only 5% of oil spills. Half the oil in the world’s oceans comes from natural oil seeps. The one in Santa Barbara discharges 20,000 liters a day.
Oil tanker spills are 1/10 of the rate in the 1970s even though the volume carried has doubled.
The biggest spill on our coast was the ferry at 240 tons. (And yet people clamour for more ferries).
Washington brings half its raw crude down the west coast from Alaska. No one complains.
A thousand trucks a month carry jet fuel to Vancouver airport because we don’t have the refinery capacity. They’re now building a marine terminal to carry fuel there. No one complains.
So you’re wrong on the data, the context and the threat. And the kicker of course is that you even pretend to care about the economy. Now that’s some serious religion you have there.
Funny when a ferry leaks oil its 240 tons, not 300 000 litres
“…… the destruction of marine life, tourism and the B.C. Economy.” Burnaby’s fire chief helpless in case of fire. Tankers endlessly snaking under bridges which presumably they might strike….. somehow….
More hand wringing from the Henny Penny progressives. Painting the world with “could” and “might” and “what if” fear. Not living in Canada, I could give a good g*d damm about the pipeline but I find the sniveling leftist’s fear filled arguments disgusting.
Canada, “where no man boldly goes”…..
It is an attitude like yours that is fast turning Canada into a sh*thole third world country.
Go flush the toilet, sewage breath.
Ahhhh, the well worn out “fear card”… save your bullshit for when you’re looking in the mirror you fool.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Liz May’s retarded cousin, Tony.
He paid $4.5b of our money for a pipeline that already exists and signed the Canadian people on for spill liability, with KM scurrying away. Do everything in your power to block something, including heaping on inquiry, regulation and tax, even fund the other side, and then take over when it becomes “uneconomical.”
Then don’t build the pipeline, launder the money to your cronies, and then try to get market value selling a pipeline company that doesn’t build pipelines in Canada. Now there’s a solid business case.
A Mafia Don would at least blush. They’ve handed a political lay up to both the Tories and Dippers.
4-5 years is too long for any Liberal-NDP government in this country.
JT way past stale date.
Just not ready.
Ontario election is the bellwether.
Not ready, Justin has not run out of coloring books , yet.
Actually Truedick though he was purchasing a line of pipes to help augment his pot scam. When told it was a pipeline used to transport oil from Alberta to Burnaby, he put on his Bo Peep costume and cried and cried.
Maybe he thought it was a cannabis oil pipeline going from BC to AB. A steady flow of THC might help the Lib electoral chances in AB – dumbing down the populace, and sapping any personal initiative, as it so often does. And personal initiative and responsibility are traits that are not favorable to Liberals.
Thinking here, which is always a dangerous activity, about what we hear on the subject.
So the airhead and his underlings are going to pay billions of dollars for a pipeline that would not cost a penny from the taxpayer if this was a country based on law as many would be proud to say.
To talk about law is subject for another time.
The purchase is a boom for the public services unions, lawyers, social warriors and other such that hang on the teat of endless supply of money from the politicians via the working stiff.
Don’t know how many people work for KM in Canada.
By the time the pipeline is built, which is altogether uncertain, there could possibly be tens of thousands employed to make sure there is diversity section, section for the lbgtxyz for the wimin, for all the current designated victim groups and individuals. And then there is going to be a section where the employees of the section will watch who is doing what to whom. If it is found that somebody wants to actually do productive work that will have to be taken care of, can’t have that.
The socialist extremist Rach was full of joy, quite beside herself, never been happier, positively orgasmic.
For those that would like to make hay, the previous sentence is a rhetorical device, this is not an apology.
She can’t be blamed for nationalizing the company in thinking Alberta. The blame is on the airhead.
Altogether, this is the worst possible outcome since it is not at all certain that the pipe shovel ready.
If and when it does remains to be seen. The airhead was and is against oil, he just has to go along since he spend the next few generations money, he is trying to get some to pay for it.
Funny how economic realities work. You spend other people’s money (MT) and suddenly there is less to go around so you got to get your head out of the sand and deal with real life.
Well said.
It’ll take longer than a year to pull failure theater on this one. The deal closes in September so I’d say we’re good here. Trudeau lost the next election yesterday. BC voters who voted Liberal will either go NDP or Conservative now and he’s pissed off a lot of Toronto voters too. Scheer only has to say he’ll fix it at this point and all will be well.
Yes… it’s easy to doom and gloom this move, but realistically it’s what you say. The next federal government has a shit ton of work to do cleaning up after this kindergarten crew is ejected, but fixing this is possible and it might actually be able to be stopped before it’s even started.
However, the business investment climate in Canada is terrible right now and that cannot so easily be mended. if one stupid Liberal government can be elected and instantly put the brakes on these billion dollar, large scale infrastructure projects because of muh gender based analysis, you’d have to be crazy to consider investing in Canada. For the investment community over the long term, Canada has fooled them once (Trudeau I) shame on Canada, and now fooled them twice (Trudeau II), shame on the investment community. There isn’t a “fool me thrice.”
Scary addendum thought…… Ontario has had enough of an incompetent, overspending Liberal government with no direction other than ideologically driven disasters.
And thanks to our media moguls….. they may go NDP.
Think about that. The fed NDP is a joke, but no more than the Ontario version.
Look for the media to artificially manufacture an “Orange Surge” and push that narrative until it becomes a reality. They have done this twice now – once in Jack’s last run, and now in Ontario.
The real enemy is the media, folks. And if they have their way, when Jr is toasted in the next election, we will go from “it cannot get any worse” to ………. Canada’s first federal NDP government.
PLEASE…. Alberta, join Montana now!!! Don’t hope for a better future when Jr is gone! Look what happened in Alberta when an incompetent ruling party was punted, and what the media is accomplishing in Ontario. History DOES repeat itself!! (and it ain’t gonna be pretty.)
Blame the media if you want, it’s the voters who keep re-electing the Liberals in Ontario (and selected the NDP in BC and AB). The voters like the “free stuff” party. Eventually they’ll run out of others people money to spend and it can go two ways, chaos (Venezuela) or reform (Klein / Harris). We’ll see.
Its their children and grandchildren’s money they’re going to run out of. Then they’ll lie and blame the government when their offspring complain of 70% tax rate.
I agree with your point about the big-media moguls dominating the Ontario election. But the media cartel’s love of Kathleen Wynne continues. Both CBC News and the Globe and Mail have been running pro-Liberal articles in recent days. The fat-cat media are starting to panic.
I can certainly see why “Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline?” is a reasonable question. After all, Liberals sabotaged Gateway and Energy East as quickly as they could. It also did not seem to bother the Liberals that KM was being bogged down by protesters, spurious legal maneuvering and the BC NDP government. The Liberals did nothing when the pipeline dispute was heading towards a trade war between the BC NDP and the AB NDP. You’d have to be a blind fool to give the Liberals any benefit of the doubt over fosiil fuel energy or the health of the western province’s economy.
The problem for the Liberals is that other interests have put pressure on them. The blue Liberal wing (Manley, Chretien types) understand that there could be serious problems in the rest of Canada. The Liberal government looks weak and incompetent which threatens Liberal re-election prospects. International investors are losing confidence and worried about the business climate which affects the central Canadian financial industry. It also shows the lie of the carbon tax/social licence promise (if the sabatoging of Gateway and Energy East didn’t make that clear).
At this point I guess the odds are 60/40 in favor of it being built but it’ll take twice as long, cost twice as much and Liberals will make out like bandits. The progressive wing (red liberals, SJWs, environmentalists and the national media) account for the 40 doubt. Trudeau desperately wants to be seen as a hero so I’m not sure he can handle the pressure from the left, especially with his right-hand guy being a watermelon environmentalist (green outside, red inside) and business class environmentalist (previous $$ from green orgs). Look at what he did to Ontario.
Are there any blue Liberals left at the federal level? I’m serious. These Liberals are not the Chretien/Martin Liberals (and Chretien was more red than blue if you ask me). These are true-red Liberals, through & through, barely a step to the right of the NDP. And of course they remain afflicted with their lust for power and taste for graft, as all Liberals are. They never truly lost those traits during their opposition years. They just seethed in resentment that they didn’t have them.
I’m not sure I’d even give this pipeline 25/75 odds of being built. The federal government knows SFA about how to do this. And they lack the stomach to truly crack down on the protests and the opposition, which is going to have to happen to let it be built anyway. And they won’t have the stomach for it going exponentially over budget, as it will, if it ever starts being built.
All just a sham. Trying to bide time until next year’s election.
You’re correct, I was thinking Martin but wrote Chretien – the Martin/Manley wing is what I meant.
I’d suspect that the business wing of the Liberal party is still influential because they’re the power brokers and the brains of the operation behind the scenes, not the gender studies department in Cabinet. The Liberal’s strength was always their boast about progressive social policies *and* competent economic management. Full SJW without any regard for the economy will make the Ontario suburbs rethink their support. I don’t think this Liberal government wants western Canadian pipeline expansion but they have been embarrassed or forced into making it happen.
I think the build will be a fiasco. Look at what the Liberals paid for a skating rink and their first budget book cover. It amuses me to read economists who think this time and this project wil be different, so naive.
I think you are right on both counts. The liberal movement in North America, Canadian Liberal Party and the US Democratic Party, have moved decidedly into the SocProg camp, and only minutely to the right of the Marxists. Both profess liberty in every area of life, which ultimately results in societal collapse and tyranny. As well, as you say, the Liberals will not confront what will turn out to be even greater pipeline protest criminal protest. I speculate that the Liberals will just drag this out past the next election and then say economic conditions no long justify rebuilding the pipeline.
The loyalty of the left is like the law of diminishing returns.
Once you agree to their terms for political support they raise the bar for what meeting their terms means.
He just killed off a pipeline however he keeps saying it will br built.
This is his way of ragging the puck. He believes by saying it those that want to see the pipeline built will be satisfied with the promise and those that don’t will be pleased that nothing is actually being built.
Well the makers are not buying it and the capital flight resumes, and the left is being emboldened to demand further “good faith” acts from the sock monkey.
End result is that everytime he says “it will be built” those on the small c side are thinking “yeah right, thats a load of crap” and those on the left take it as proof that he can’t ne trusted.
So the more he talks without acting the more its going to erode his support.
Odds I put on next federal vote is its a minority….liberals do not consider a minority a win which places juthtins leadership retention after that in doubt.
Time is not on his side on this.
Which reminds me.
On the first the deadline to reinstate tariffs kicks in on steel and aluminum, anyone know if the minister of tears has got the US to keep our exemption in place?
To my understanding, the 4.5B just pays for the existing 60 year old pipeline. The new twin pipeline that is causing all the protest is not included in this figure.
My question: Who profits from the black gooey stuff going through Canada’s new/old pipeline? Canada? KInder Morgan? Turdoes backroom buddies?
I know what my guess would be…
Turdeau just spent $ 4.5 billion on a 67 year old pipeline. I suspect the real value is nothing. It’s worn out. That’s why it needs replacing.
Perhaps, he thought it is a vintage pipeline like his Mercedes.
Hash pipe more like it complete with years of resin.
But he also spent the money on the right to expand the existing pipeline, a right that he was too stupid to realize he already had.
It seems obvious to me. Now that the Liberals have shooed away that greedy corporation from Canada, not only can they proceed to NOT build the pipeline extension, but they can also phase out the transport of disgusting, masculine, patriarchal oil through the EXISTING pipeline. If I’m correct, watch the amount of oil that is delivered through the existing pipeline continually decrease from now on.
The next move that the Liberals will make regarding the extension is to somehow involve the Supreme Court. I think they Liberals will make some ham fisted attempt to make it look like they want to continue construction (even this will be difficult for them after having kicked the people who know how to build the pipeline out of the country – and considering this federal government is incapable of getting accounting software to work correctly, a pipeline through the mountains is quite beyond them)… but they’ll put on the facade of desiring to have it built just long enough to start legal proceedings that will be bound for the Supreme Court. This will then fully entrench onerous environmental review processes into our constitution by way of “human rights” (or “indigenous rights” it doesn’t matter). And after that, there will be no more pipelines in Canada and no more foreign investment in our oil industry.
“no more foreign investment in our oil industry.”
You must mean no more foreign investment in our oil industry, other than the Chinese government.
A critical difference.
Don’t the Chinese want our oil? Would they not support a pipeline being built?
Rainbow Pony bought the pipeline so that he could fulfill his fantasy that he’s J. R. Ewing. How long before he renames Gorffwysfa as Southfork?
$4.5 Billion to create multiple new government bureaus chock full of jobs for leftist elites, their friends and family. These new bureaus of pipeline management and indigenous peoples land preservation will slow-walk construction of the pipeline … in a cynical attempt to run out the clock of Canada’s … “dependence on fossil fuels”. Canada’s … “addiction to oil” … yadda, yadda, yadda.
YOUR Tax dollars at work … lining the pockets of NDP tools.
Have a friend who is a longtime and highly successful investor in the Alberta oil and gas business. Knows the people and knows the business like the back of his band.
He told me the general feeling of those in the know is that this is a punt by Trudeau’s advisors in order to push this issue out beyond the next election.
Remember that with Team Pony the reason they give for doing something is never the real reason why they are doing something. They are snakes.
That’s pretty harsh. Snakes aren’t that bad.
The Liberals know enough to defer things long enough past election time because they are afraid of history repeating itself. Former Liberals lost power in 1957 to the Conservatives ( Mr Diefenbaker ) over the Trans Canada Pipeline. (B A Rupertslander pointed this out in another thread yesterday) However there were more tragic circumstances than people like to be reminded of, surrounding the debates of pipelines. The following was never taught in school history.
Namely, Liberal, Lorne MacDougall, Vancouver-Burrard, collapsed and died from a heart attack, on June 6, 1956, on site in the Centre Block as a result of strenuous arguments over the pipeline. Also, 3 others became ill from said debates.
C.D. Howe, the Trade & Commerce Minister claimed that they didn’t have the patience to deal with Parliament. The House rose for the summer.
The people who thought/think this action was a good thing are either stupid, ignorant, delusional, or KM shareholders.
The setup is in place for the takeover and makeover. U.S.A. here we come, and you won’t even have to leave your house.
Yeah, for the country of North America! The Americans need to protect their borders, if not sooner then later. We are a piece of cake because we’re toast. The hard part will be Mexico.
Our Quantum Computing Prime Minister won’t even see it coming and won’t even know what hit him.
Venezuela North
I used to think that, too. Not gonna happen with the US next door. Take that to the Bank.
We’ll be given an offer that some might want to refuse, but in the end there will be no choice. It could happen faster than you think, especially if Trump gores NAFTA. A period of social unrest, civil disruption, a couple of cross border jihadi attacks (because we don’t control our borders) & voila, 7th Calvary rides in guns drawn, with an ultimatum. Folks with US property in resort-ville will be overjoyed. The ones who go to Cuba, not so much.
The sh$t show continues with CP Rail’s locomotive driver strike today. How many farmers, resource & remaining manufacturing businesses are gonna put up with more crap dished out by commie unions both in the private sector & public sector. Crap that they know is encouraged by their political masters, the NDP & LPOC. You’ll see it first when granny has to sleep on a hallway floor at your local hospital & the place looks like Beirut.
Selling TSX, buying US.
“I used to think that, too. Not gonna happen with the US next door. Take that to the Bank.”
You may well be right, depending on whether a Bernie Sanders type is in the White House or a Trump. The reason I say this is because around 1970,when the FLQ crisis was a serious issue, the Lt Col of our regiment came back from a regimental commanders conference, and told us the army CCA told them in an address that the US army had a contingency plan to intervene in Canada if a perceived hostile government took over Canada.
So your thoughts are not that far fetched at all.
I should know, I was there in 1970. Watched it all unfold, even all the leadup to the day the troops rolled in. T1 was probably given an earfull by the Yanks if their northern flank started to go soft. Cold War still on.
I’m not too worried about bongo’s motives.
The country is in a serious snit. 2 major Provinces are at each others throats. The rule of law is being flaunted. These are grievous issues that cannot be tolerated or ignored.
Sure bongo caused/allowed this situation to come about but it fell to the feds/libranos to solve it. Make no mistake about it, the librano brain trust came up with this solution. This wasn’t left to bongo and butthead. The libranos are a lot of things but one thing they don’t want is the dissolution of the country.
As for bongo and butthead, they are useful only for as long as they are useful. The minute they become a liability to the librano brand it’s lights out. Think chretien – a 3 time winner who they gave the bums rush.
This pipeline deal goes south and bongo can’t pull it together, it’s see ya later.
” The rule of Law is being flaunted”.
Yes, Sir, it is one of the most important rules of Real Estate Law, that is, it is, the entitlement of the ” Right of Way”, as in ” laissez passer”.
Without this tenet there is no civility, no establishment of the subdivision of land and therefore, no progress, and even less prosperity. The alternative is government expropriation. It is not pretty.
For us all, it is Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware!
I speak from experience in two cases, but that is another story.
it wasnt a bums rush at all.
martin got severely pyssed how long jean was taking to get to the door, so his buddies started to ‘push’
jean ‘pushed’ back and declared he was going to leave when *he* chose. not a day sooner.
that’d be how that process unfolded. https://www.ctvnews.ca/chretien-says-he-felt-betrayed-by-paul-martin-1.260153
from the link:
“Chretien and his wife were so angry, they decided he should run again. ”
which he did. twarnt no bums rush; mebbe for martin . . . . .
see, I actually DO know a lot of history despite the caustic hard right wing comments when I disagree with the standard ideology script.
The main “benefit” of buying the old pipeline is that the Spawn can now prevent Red Rachel from screwing around with his 18 Liberal seats in BC by controlling what flows. The expansion will not happen under the Spawn because he (more importantly, his puppet master) and his cabinet are part of the green theocracy and never wanted it built to begin with. The socially engineered vandalism inherent in the legacy of SCOC FN rulings and lack of resolve to enforce the rule of law along with the benefits of decades of US funded activism embedded in all levels of BC (and other) governments would make for years of legal challenges and war-like action on the blockades. Welcome to the anti-industrial revolution. Look to the Spawn initiating some kind of FN related process that would delay it indefinitely which is their MO. The real challenge is how will his court eunuch media finesse his eventual refusal to go through with the expansion that he lied about supporting.
Trudeau tossed away his campaign promises of reforming Canada’s election system, reducing budget deficits, etc, so why wouldn’t he come up with some excuse to back away from his promise to complete the pipeline? Breaking promises is not a problem for him. Violating ethics laws are not a problem for him. Putting Canadians deeper into debt is not a problem for him. Erasing our borders is not a problem for him. Blaming everyone but himself is not a problem for him.
Why would the Liberals choose to deliberately depress the Canadian economy? They are buzzards for sure, but surely they would be happy to have that additional oil revenue. Never building the pipeline is a losers game. Buying environmentalists votes won’t keep them in power forever. They have lost the enviro vote if they go into the next election pretending it will be built.
Enviros play all sides for the long game. The institutional left is theirs. Corporate boardrooms have their ears as the next quarter will be “unaffected”. This includes virtually all of the public sector, virtually all of the media, and they own academia. The result is that the culture has changed and the political middle is now somewhere between Stalin and the Liberals of the sixties. Poverty and serfdom for surviving humanity is the goal of the leaders of these movements and the fools who are simply believers in the pseudo-environmental pieties are blind faith followers who actually think the “carbon-free” future, in the absence of significantly expanded nuclear, involves prosperity. These are the same masses that get their information from the media.
“Welcome to the anti-industrial revolution. Look to the Spawn initiating some kind of FN related process that would delay it indefinitely which is their MO. The real challenge is how will his court eunuch media finesse his eventual refusal to go through with the expansion that he lied about supporting.”
Anti-industrial revolution. Maurice Strong’s dream come true.
If even one FN reserve along the route objects the pipe rebuild project is done.
$4.5 billion to NOT build a pipeline? Sure, why not? Trudeau has sent many billions to corrupt despots the world over, in order to make himself look good but with nothing to gain for Canada. Just add another few billion to that.
Chrétien -“what’s a few million $?”
JTrudeau -what’s $4B pipeline?
No mo Liberals!
If it does get built, the libs will sell it to the Chinese within 5 years, at a loss naturally
Typical Liberal fakery to make the low information voters think the Liberals support oil & pipelines, which could not be further from the truth. A scheme to get the them through the next election, and all the while the Liberals have rigged the system to ensure the KM expansion will never be built. A cash for clunkers political cuck up. And just like Petro Canada and the gun registry, the taxpayers are going to take a huge hit. I guess on the bright side it is better than our money going to the UN or open borders or Trudeau’s vacations.
Incomprehensible failure. Nuff said.
It certainly is a tactic to get the libranos through the next election.
The BC protesters and everyone see bongo and his government as weaklings. They (protestors) are emboldened by the KM purchase as it represents another kick down the road. Bongo and the libranos chose not to enforce the rule of law.
Vancouver has a long history of civil violence. The most recent being the 2011 Stanley Cup riots where thugs laid waste to their city. The courts took exception to these rioters and handed out sentences that up to that point had not been heard of.
We have already seen Liz May convicted in the KM protest. Her fine may seem insignificant but it wasn’t just a wrist slap.
The table has now been set for a major confrontation. If a protest develops and the law is flaunted as history suggests, it will be an ‘october crisis’ moment. This will give bongo the opportunity to set the record straight. If he man’s up and uses the rule of law to quell the protest he will be seen as ‘the man’. If he stands down……..anarchy and perhaps the dissolution of the dominion.
That “dissolution of the Dominion” is baked right into this decision. Rach is gone next election, Kenny will run Alberta & this fight will continue, until KM expansion is built. PM Sock Puppet is gonna have to make the right decision when Alberta shuts the taps off, using Rach’s legislation. Just to prod them along. If she rescinds it, Kenny can re-install it. There will be no cooperation between this province & BC, or the feds until a pipeline is built. This fight isn’t over yet. The Feds want to go all Constitutional on this….Not Withstanding Clause. And if I was Kenny, I’d do a deal with the FN’s in BC, who want a pipeline. If the LM wants to protest, they’ll have to wear out their Birkenstocks to go north to do so.
They will build it, the Chinese want it and the Liberals want votes in western Canada.
Why is this so difficult to understand? The Chinese run our government(s) but I guess Horgan isn’t totally bought and paid for.
The pipeline is not as 100% slam-dunk conservative-ideology pure as some seem to think, you can make conservative arguments for no pipeline too. I tend to support it in principle but I would be more happy with a pipeline that either ended at or started from a massive refinery so we don’t have to import gasoline from Washington state. China could take our refined oil at prices we get to set.
also, this development yet again supports my contention that by all manner of coincidence, some collusion, glacier paced irreversible change, luck, opportunity, humahn nature, insurmountable DEBT, we are entering a time when some less than 0.001 % of the population own outright, 99+% of all resources, assets, stocks, debt, including abstract intellectual property and such as satellite orbits, radio frequencies, utility infrastructure (I cringe when another clucking CONservatist announces plans to ‘privatize service/commodity/etc X’).
it started aroundabouts the day the US supreme court announced that corporations (quoting) “are persons under the law”.
so hang on to those guns dear right wingers, just make sure you have the knowledge and tools to reload the ammo yourself.
Can’t wait til PM Dressup whips out his army, just like daddy, to get it built.
The FN want some cash. That is always their end game. Bongo will cut them in and that will shut them up. Without the FN the enviros are looking pretty thin.
The Feds granted the railroads right of ways all across the land. On the prairies there’s lots of abandoned former branch lines. This is crown land.
If PM T2 wants to build pipelines, use RR right-of-way, right to Prince Rupert, Kitimat, or wherever it terminates at tidewater. The provinces can bleat till blue.
Scheer take note. Bone up.
Start sending the Green politicos across the ocean on sailboats coz airplanes and cruise ships use tar baby!
Actually, its owned by a railroad company.
So buy back CN, that the government used to own, and voila, Canada owns the right of way again.
A friend of mine is involved with monitoring the Kinder Morgan pipeline. In fact I stood over the pipeline this morning so I am now an expert on the topic.
A few days back an irate local phoned the helicopter company monitoring the pipeline using aerial inspections. He was upset that the helicopter was flying near his house and literally over top of a public school. He was told they were monitoring the KM pipeline. So he walked over to the school to confirm there was no pipeline present. And phoned back to complain. My friend consulted the drawings and sure enough the pipeline goes right under the edge of the playground. So he phoned the man back and explained that fact. The man appeared puzzled and speechless. Then he asked “wait, is the pipeline buried underground?”.
This is the level of ignorance you are dealing with.
Maybe he was afraid that it was a black helicopter, one dispatched by the UN.
Your comment about him reminded me of something while I was a grad student at UBC nearly 40 years ago. I attended a seminar on the Ulysses solar probe which, at that time, was still in the planning stages. The spacecraft’s objective was to make measurements of the sun’s poles. To do so, it required a high-elevation trajectory, one which would be almost perpendicular to the orbital plane of the solar system. (Ulysses was launched during a space shuttle mission roughly a decade later. The reason for it taking so long was because the shuttles were grounded due to the Challenger mishap.)
Most of us quietly listened to the presentation but there was some weirdo in the back who kept interrupting. He looked like some leftover hippy who probably attended because he heard that the spacecraft had something to do with the sun. (“Hey! Solar energy!”) He kept asking questions such as how it would affect the atmosphere and how high above the ground it would fly, even though those details had been covered.
The chap sounded like he was zonked out of his gourd or had consumed the wrong kind of mind-altering substances at one time. The presenter displayed an enormous amount of self-discipline as he took those interruptions in stride without appearing to be annoyed.
Unfortunately, Mr. Burned-out Hippy seemed to be typical of many of the Vancouver area residents I met while I was at the university.
How is this different than the Ontario Liberal Gas Plant Scam?
Get your Liberal card today,glorious opertunity to bill the taxpayer for a construct that never ends and never begins..
The glory days of Liberal looting are back.
We will get to see Alberta and BC fill up with pipeline construction firms that no-one ever heard of before..
All with impecable Liberal credentials.
On the Ambien story, Angel posted a reference to a company with Russian ties coming out with an IPO. Story was on the CBC. Is there a possible connection with the Liberal pipeline business? Or am I confused? It might just be an indication that there is big money in oil and gas and we are missing the boat: https://tridentacquisitions.com
As a conservative, if this gets the pipeline built, I just may vote FOR the Liberals and JT next go round.
“Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline?”
The pipeline will not be built, nor will 4.5 billion be paid… This is a scam by the New World socialists that promise everything, but deliver nothing….The investment climate in Canada is DEAD….
Canada imported the Black Problem ( was not an issue for >100 years)..The Canadian Social experiment needs “every” problem….
When the Canadian Dollar reaches.. 32 cents ..maybe some people will wakeup in this experiment gone bad….
JMHO
…and interest rates in double digits.
“When the Canadian Dollar reaches.. 32 cents ..maybe some people will wakeup in this experiment gone bad….” Not likely. The media will make sure of that. Please see Venezuela.
Seems to me this is a fabulous opportunity for vast amounts of Liberal style corruption and graft in addition to assuring the pipeline won’t get built. Expect government contracts for vast amounts of various components for making pipelines to be awarded all over Quebec.
Exactly. Not only will the pipeline probably not get built, hundreds of millions of tax dollars will end up in the pockets of Liberal Party bagmen. Hundreds of millions more will be spent on social license, affirmative action, and other virtue signalling shite in a probably successful attempt to buy votes from special interest blocs. And of course the Liberal Party itself will get its cut. This is a huge win for Shiny Pony, but I see only a slim hope for any upside for Alberta.
Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline? That would be my bet too. It’s the OLP gas plant scandal x 5. By the pipeline, pretend to be serious about building it, but make no progress. Secretly let their environmental allies know they have no intention of building it, and the news goes away. $4.5B takes away any lingering possibility that KM stays in the news cycle by officially abandoning the project. Sure, it means nobody in their right mind will invest in large Canadian projects, but will the media report a lack of something happening? Not likely.
Cherry Point
The people of British Columbia are not opposed to jobs and pipelines.
British Columbians are opposed to increasing tanker shipments from Burnaby seven fold, the destruction of marine life, tourism and the B.C. Economy.
Alberta can sell oil to foreign markets simply by diverting the K.M. pipeline to export from Washington State with the side option of sales to any of the five, [ 5 ] refineries in that state.
Burnaby’s fire chief complains he can not protect Burnaby from a refinery fire if bitumen capacity is increased. So the K.M. pipeline directly risks the community of Burnaby . Tankers snake under two bridges between Vancouver City and North Vancouveer thus risking the whole B.C. economy.
A diversion to safer export from Cherry point Washington State makes sense. Their safety and spill control is far more advanced.
There will never be a refinery built in B.C. with five [ 5 ] refineries nearby in Washington State. Anthony Robinson [TG]
Wrong on all accounts. The Governor of Washington is aligned with his fellow left coast watermelons in BC and doesn’t want it. Even if he did, those tankers would be traversing the same Salish Sea waters under less stringent standards than Canada’s.
What in the hell is the “Salish Sea”? My guess its a new Marxist name to placate the Indians.
Yeah it’s the new PC name for the Gulf of Georgia/Strait of Georgia. Put it alongside such nonsense as “The Great Bear Rainforest” and Haida Gwaii.
How long before we go back to being called Turtle Island and we get to see PM Pixie Dust apologizing for it, complete with blubbering in public ?
And when we become Turtle Island again, will we still be post-national?
Arguments like yours may just make the people of Alberta wonder why they should remain a Canadian Province rather than just become a US State. That would make sense, wouldn’t it?
The tankers will increase commercial shipping into Vancouver by 14%.
Oil tankers are responsible for only 5% of oil spills. Half the oil in the world’s oceans comes from natural oil seeps. The one in Santa Barbara discharges 20,000 liters a day.
Oil tanker spills are 1/10 of the rate in the 1970s even though the volume carried has doubled.
The biggest spill on our coast was the ferry at 240 tons. (And yet people clamour for more ferries).
Washington brings half its raw crude down the west coast from Alaska. No one complains.
A thousand trucks a month carry jet fuel to Vancouver airport because we don’t have the refinery capacity. They’re now building a marine terminal to carry fuel there. No one complains.
So you’re wrong on the data, the context and the threat. And the kicker of course is that you even pretend to care about the economy. Now that’s some serious religion you have there.
Funny when a ferry leaks oil its 240 tons, not 300 000 litres
“…… the destruction of marine life, tourism and the B.C. Economy.” Burnaby’s fire chief helpless in case of fire. Tankers endlessly snaking under bridges which presumably they might strike….. somehow….
More hand wringing from the Henny Penny progressives. Painting the world with “could” and “might” and “what if” fear. Not living in Canada, I could give a good g*d damm about the pipeline but I find the sniveling leftist’s fear filled arguments disgusting.
Canada, “where no man boldly goes”…..
It is an attitude like yours that is fast turning Canada into a sh*thole third world country.
Go flush the toilet, sewage breath.
Ahhhh, the well worn out “fear card”… save your bullshit for when you’re looking in the mirror you fool.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Liz May’s retarded cousin, Tony.
He paid $4.5b of our money for a pipeline that already exists and signed the Canadian people on for spill liability, with KM scurrying away. Do everything in your power to block something, including heaping on inquiry, regulation and tax, even fund the other side, and then take over when it becomes “uneconomical.”
Then don’t build the pipeline, launder the money to your cronies, and then try to get market value selling a pipeline company that doesn’t build pipelines in Canada. Now there’s a solid business case.
A Mafia Don would at least blush. They’ve handed a political lay up to both the Tories and Dippers.
4-5 years is too long for any Liberal-NDP government in this country.
JT way past stale date.
Just not ready.
Ontario election is the bellwether.
Not ready, Justin has not run out of coloring books , yet.
https://youtu.be/XvR8jTmQ2ew
Actually Truedick though he was purchasing a line of pipes to help augment his pot scam. When told it was a pipeline used to transport oil from Alberta to Burnaby, he put on his Bo Peep costume and cried and cried.
Maybe he thought it was a cannabis oil pipeline going from BC to AB. A steady flow of THC might help the Lib electoral chances in AB – dumbing down the populace, and sapping any personal initiative, as it so often does. And personal initiative and responsibility are traits that are not favorable to Liberals.
Thinking here, which is always a dangerous activity, about what we hear on the subject.
So the airhead and his underlings are going to pay billions of dollars for a pipeline that would not cost a penny from the taxpayer if this was a country based on law as many would be proud to say.
To talk about law is subject for another time.
The purchase is a boom for the public services unions, lawyers, social warriors and other such that hang on the teat of endless supply of money from the politicians via the working stiff.
Don’t know how many people work for KM in Canada.
By the time the pipeline is built, which is altogether uncertain, there could possibly be tens of thousands employed to make sure there is diversity section, section for the lbgtxyz for the wimin, for all the current designated victim groups and individuals. And then there is going to be a section where the employees of the section will watch who is doing what to whom. If it is found that somebody wants to actually do productive work that will have to be taken care of, can’t have that.
The socialist extremist Rach was full of joy, quite beside herself, never been happier, positively orgasmic.
For those that would like to make hay, the previous sentence is a rhetorical device, this is not an apology.
She can’t be blamed for nationalizing the company in thinking Alberta. The blame is on the airhead.
Altogether, this is the worst possible outcome since it is not at all certain that the pipe shovel ready.
If and when it does remains to be seen. The airhead was and is against oil, he just has to go along since he spend the next few generations money, he is trying to get some to pay for it.
Funny how economic realities work. You spend other people’s money (MT) and suddenly there is less to go around so you got to get your head out of the sand and deal with real life.
Well said.
It’ll take longer than a year to pull failure theater on this one. The deal closes in September so I’d say we’re good here. Trudeau lost the next election yesterday. BC voters who voted Liberal will either go NDP or Conservative now and he’s pissed off a lot of Toronto voters too. Scheer only has to say he’ll fix it at this point and all will be well.
Yes… it’s easy to doom and gloom this move, but realistically it’s what you say. The next federal government has a shit ton of work to do cleaning up after this kindergarten crew is ejected, but fixing this is possible and it might actually be able to be stopped before it’s even started.
However, the business investment climate in Canada is terrible right now and that cannot so easily be mended. if one stupid Liberal government can be elected and instantly put the brakes on these billion dollar, large scale infrastructure projects because of muh gender based analysis, you’d have to be crazy to consider investing in Canada. For the investment community over the long term, Canada has fooled them once (Trudeau I) shame on Canada, and now fooled them twice (Trudeau II), shame on the investment community. There isn’t a “fool me thrice.”
Scary addendum thought…… Ontario has had enough of an incompetent, overspending Liberal government with no direction other than ideologically driven disasters.
And thanks to our media moguls….. they may go NDP.
Think about that. The fed NDP is a joke, but no more than the Ontario version.
Look for the media to artificially manufacture an “Orange Surge” and push that narrative until it becomes a reality. They have done this twice now – once in Jack’s last run, and now in Ontario.
The real enemy is the media, folks. And if they have their way, when Jr is toasted in the next election, we will go from “it cannot get any worse” to ………. Canada’s first federal NDP government.
PLEASE…. Alberta, join Montana now!!! Don’t hope for a better future when Jr is gone! Look what happened in Alberta when an incompetent ruling party was punted, and what the media is accomplishing in Ontario. History DOES repeat itself!! (and it ain’t gonna be pretty.)
Blame the media if you want, it’s the voters who keep re-electing the Liberals in Ontario (and selected the NDP in BC and AB). The voters like the “free stuff” party. Eventually they’ll run out of others people money to spend and it can go two ways, chaos (Venezuela) or reform (Klein / Harris). We’ll see.
Its their children and grandchildren’s money they’re going to run out of. Then they’ll lie and blame the government when their offspring complain of 70% tax rate.
I agree with your point about the big-media moguls dominating the Ontario election. But the media cartel’s love of Kathleen Wynne continues. Both CBC News and the Globe and Mail have been running pro-Liberal articles in recent days. The fat-cat media are starting to panic.
I can certainly see why “Did Trudeau just spend $4.5 billion of taxpayer’s dollars NOT to build a pipeline?” is a reasonable question. After all, Liberals sabotaged Gateway and Energy East as quickly as they could. It also did not seem to bother the Liberals that KM was being bogged down by protesters, spurious legal maneuvering and the BC NDP government. The Liberals did nothing when the pipeline dispute was heading towards a trade war between the BC NDP and the AB NDP. You’d have to be a blind fool to give the Liberals any benefit of the doubt over fosiil fuel energy or the health of the western province’s economy.
The problem for the Liberals is that other interests have put pressure on them. The blue Liberal wing (Manley, Chretien types) understand that there could be serious problems in the rest of Canada. The Liberal government looks weak and incompetent which threatens Liberal re-election prospects. International investors are losing confidence and worried about the business climate which affects the central Canadian financial industry. It also shows the lie of the carbon tax/social licence promise (if the sabatoging of Gateway and Energy East didn’t make that clear).
At this point I guess the odds are 60/40 in favor of it being built but it’ll take twice as long, cost twice as much and Liberals will make out like bandits. The progressive wing (red liberals, SJWs, environmentalists and the national media) account for the 40 doubt. Trudeau desperately wants to be seen as a hero so I’m not sure he can handle the pressure from the left, especially with his right-hand guy being a watermelon environmentalist (green outside, red inside) and business class environmentalist (previous $$ from green orgs). Look at what he did to Ontario.
Are there any blue Liberals left at the federal level? I’m serious. These Liberals are not the Chretien/Martin Liberals (and Chretien was more red than blue if you ask me). These are true-red Liberals, through & through, barely a step to the right of the NDP. And of course they remain afflicted with their lust for power and taste for graft, as all Liberals are. They never truly lost those traits during their opposition years. They just seethed in resentment that they didn’t have them.
I’m not sure I’d even give this pipeline 25/75 odds of being built. The federal government knows SFA about how to do this. And they lack the stomach to truly crack down on the protests and the opposition, which is going to have to happen to let it be built anyway. And they won’t have the stomach for it going exponentially over budget, as it will, if it ever starts being built.
All just a sham. Trying to bide time until next year’s election.
You’re correct, I was thinking Martin but wrote Chretien – the Martin/Manley wing is what I meant.
I’d suspect that the business wing of the Liberal party is still influential because they’re the power brokers and the brains of the operation behind the scenes, not the gender studies department in Cabinet. The Liberal’s strength was always their boast about progressive social policies *and* competent economic management. Full SJW without any regard for the economy will make the Ontario suburbs rethink their support. I don’t think this Liberal government wants western Canadian pipeline expansion but they have been embarrassed or forced into making it happen.
I think the build will be a fiasco. Look at what the Liberals paid for a skating rink and their first budget book cover. It amuses me to read economists who think this time and this project wil be different, so naive.
I think you are right on both counts. The liberal movement in North America, Canadian Liberal Party and the US Democratic Party, have moved decidedly into the SocProg camp, and only minutely to the right of the Marxists. Both profess liberty in every area of life, which ultimately results in societal collapse and tyranny. As well, as you say, the Liberals will not confront what will turn out to be even greater pipeline protest criminal protest. I speculate that the Liberals will just drag this out past the next election and then say economic conditions no long justify rebuilding the pipeline.
The loyalty of the left is like the law of diminishing returns.
Once you agree to their terms for political support they raise the bar for what meeting their terms means.
He just killed off a pipeline however he keeps saying it will br built.
This is his way of ragging the puck. He believes by saying it those that want to see the pipeline built will be satisfied with the promise and those that don’t will be pleased that nothing is actually being built.
Well the makers are not buying it and the capital flight resumes, and the left is being emboldened to demand further “good faith” acts from the sock monkey.
End result is that everytime he says “it will be built” those on the small c side are thinking “yeah right, thats a load of crap” and those on the left take it as proof that he can’t ne trusted.
So the more he talks without acting the more its going to erode his support.
Odds I put on next federal vote is its a minority….liberals do not consider a minority a win which places juthtins leadership retention after that in doubt.
Time is not on his side on this.
Which reminds me.
On the first the deadline to reinstate tariffs kicks in on steel and aluminum, anyone know if the minister of tears has got the US to keep our exemption in place?
To my understanding, the 4.5B just pays for the existing 60 year old pipeline. The new twin pipeline that is causing all the protest is not included in this figure.
My question: Who profits from the black gooey stuff going through Canada’s new/old pipeline? Canada? KInder Morgan? Turdoes backroom buddies?
I know what my guess would be…
Turdeau just spent $ 4.5 billion on a 67 year old pipeline. I suspect the real value is nothing. It’s worn out. That’s why it needs replacing.
Perhaps, he thought it is a vintage pipeline like his Mercedes.
Hash pipe more like it complete with years of resin.
But he also spent the money on the right to expand the existing pipeline, a right that he was too stupid to realize he already had.
It seems obvious to me. Now that the Liberals have shooed away that greedy corporation from Canada, not only can they proceed to NOT build the pipeline extension, but they can also phase out the transport of disgusting, masculine, patriarchal oil through the EXISTING pipeline. If I’m correct, watch the amount of oil that is delivered through the existing pipeline continually decrease from now on.
The next move that the Liberals will make regarding the extension is to somehow involve the Supreme Court. I think they Liberals will make some ham fisted attempt to make it look like they want to continue construction (even this will be difficult for them after having kicked the people who know how to build the pipeline out of the country – and considering this federal government is incapable of getting accounting software to work correctly, a pipeline through the mountains is quite beyond them)… but they’ll put on the facade of desiring to have it built just long enough to start legal proceedings that will be bound for the Supreme Court. This will then fully entrench onerous environmental review processes into our constitution by way of “human rights” (or “indigenous rights” it doesn’t matter). And after that, there will be no more pipelines in Canada and no more foreign investment in our oil industry.
“no more foreign investment in our oil industry.”
You must mean no more foreign investment in our oil industry, other than the Chinese government.
A critical difference.
Don’t the Chinese want our oil? Would they not support a pipeline being built?
Rainbow Pony bought the pipeline so that he could fulfill his fantasy that he’s J. R. Ewing. How long before he renames Gorffwysfa as Southfork?
$4.5 Billion to create multiple new government bureaus chock full of jobs for leftist elites, their friends and family. These new bureaus of pipeline management and indigenous peoples land preservation will slow-walk construction of the pipeline … in a cynical attempt to run out the clock of Canada’s … “dependence on fossil fuels”. Canada’s … “addiction to oil” … yadda, yadda, yadda.
YOUR Tax dollars at work … lining the pockets of NDP tools.
Have a friend who is a longtime and highly successful investor in the Alberta oil and gas business. Knows the people and knows the business like the back of his band.
He told me the general feeling of those in the know is that this is a punt by Trudeau’s advisors in order to push this issue out beyond the next election.
Remember that with Team Pony the reason they give for doing something is never the real reason why they are doing something. They are snakes.
That’s pretty harsh. Snakes aren’t that bad.
The Liberals know enough to defer things long enough past election time because they are afraid of history repeating itself. Former Liberals lost power in 1957 to the Conservatives ( Mr Diefenbaker ) over the Trans Canada Pipeline. (B A Rupertslander pointed this out in another thread yesterday) However there were more tragic circumstances than people like to be reminded of, surrounding the debates of pipelines. The following was never taught in school history.
Namely, Liberal, Lorne MacDougall, Vancouver-Burrard, collapsed and died from a heart attack, on June 6, 1956, on site in the Centre Block as a result of strenuous arguments over the pipeline. Also, 3 others became ill from said debates.
C.D. Howe, the Trade & Commerce Minister claimed that they didn’t have the patience to deal with Parliament. The House rose for the summer.
The people who thought/think this action was a good thing are either stupid, ignorant, delusional, or KM shareholders.
The setup is in place for the takeover and makeover. U.S.A. here we come, and you won’t even have to leave your house.
Yeah, for the country of North America! The Americans need to protect their borders, if not sooner then later. We are a piece of cake because we’re toast. The hard part will be Mexico.
Our Quantum Computing Prime Minister won’t even see it coming and won’t even know what hit him.
Venezuela North
I used to think that, too. Not gonna happen with the US next door. Take that to the Bank.
We’ll be given an offer that some might want to refuse, but in the end there will be no choice. It could happen faster than you think, especially if Trump gores NAFTA. A period of social unrest, civil disruption, a couple of cross border jihadi attacks (because we don’t control our borders) & voila, 7th Calvary rides in guns drawn, with an ultimatum. Folks with US property in resort-ville will be overjoyed. The ones who go to Cuba, not so much.
The sh$t show continues with CP Rail’s locomotive driver strike today. How many farmers, resource & remaining manufacturing businesses are gonna put up with more crap dished out by commie unions both in the private sector & public sector. Crap that they know is encouraged by their political masters, the NDP & LPOC. You’ll see it first when granny has to sleep on a hallway floor at your local hospital & the place looks like Beirut.
Selling TSX, buying US.
“I used to think that, too. Not gonna happen with the US next door. Take that to the Bank.”
You may well be right, depending on whether a Bernie Sanders type is in the White House or a Trump. The reason I say this is because around 1970,when the FLQ crisis was a serious issue, the Lt Col of our regiment came back from a regimental commanders conference, and told us the army CCA told them in an address that the US army had a contingency plan to intervene in Canada if a perceived hostile government took over Canada.
So your thoughts are not that far fetched at all.
I should know, I was there in 1970. Watched it all unfold, even all the leadup to the day the troops rolled in. T1 was probably given an earfull by the Yanks if their northern flank started to go soft. Cold War still on.
I’m not too worried about bongo’s motives.
The country is in a serious snit. 2 major Provinces are at each others throats. The rule of law is being flaunted. These are grievous issues that cannot be tolerated or ignored.
Sure bongo caused/allowed this situation to come about but it fell to the feds/libranos to solve it. Make no mistake about it, the librano brain trust came up with this solution. This wasn’t left to bongo and butthead. The libranos are a lot of things but one thing they don’t want is the dissolution of the country.
As for bongo and butthead, they are useful only for as long as they are useful. The minute they become a liability to the librano brand it’s lights out. Think chretien – a 3 time winner who they gave the bums rush.
This pipeline deal goes south and bongo can’t pull it together, it’s see ya later.
” The rule of Law is being flaunted”.
Yes, Sir, it is one of the most important rules of Real Estate Law, that is, it is, the entitlement of the ” Right of Way”, as in ” laissez passer”.
Without this tenet there is no civility, no establishment of the subdivision of land and therefore, no progress, and even less prosperity. The alternative is government expropriation. It is not pretty.
For us all, it is Caveat Emptor, let the buyer beware!
I speak from experience in two cases, but that is another story.
it wasnt a bums rush at all.
martin got severely pyssed how long jean was taking to get to the door, so his buddies started to ‘push’
jean ‘pushed’ back and declared he was going to leave when *he* chose. not a day sooner.
that’d be how that process unfolded.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/chretien-says-he-felt-betrayed-by-paul-martin-1.260153
from the link:
“Chretien and his wife were so angry, they decided he should run again. ”
which he did. twarnt no bums rush; mebbe for martin . . . . .
see, I actually DO know a lot of history despite the caustic hard right wing comments when I disagree with the standard ideology script.
The main “benefit” of buying the old pipeline is that the Spawn can now prevent Red Rachel from screwing around with his 18 Liberal seats in BC by controlling what flows. The expansion will not happen under the Spawn because he (more importantly, his puppet master) and his cabinet are part of the green theocracy and never wanted it built to begin with. The socially engineered vandalism inherent in the legacy of SCOC FN rulings and lack of resolve to enforce the rule of law along with the benefits of decades of US funded activism embedded in all levels of BC (and other) governments would make for years of legal challenges and war-like action on the blockades. Welcome to the anti-industrial revolution. Look to the Spawn initiating some kind of FN related process that would delay it indefinitely which is their MO. The real challenge is how will his court eunuch media finesse his eventual refusal to go through with the expansion that he lied about supporting.
Trudeau tossed away his campaign promises of reforming Canada’s election system, reducing budget deficits, etc, so why wouldn’t he come up with some excuse to back away from his promise to complete the pipeline? Breaking promises is not a problem for him. Violating ethics laws are not a problem for him. Putting Canadians deeper into debt is not a problem for him. Erasing our borders is not a problem for him. Blaming everyone but himself is not a problem for him.
Why would the Liberals choose to deliberately depress the Canadian economy? They are buzzards for sure, but surely they would be happy to have that additional oil revenue. Never building the pipeline is a losers game. Buying environmentalists votes won’t keep them in power forever. They have lost the enviro vote if they go into the next election pretending it will be built.
Enviros play all sides for the long game. The institutional left is theirs. Corporate boardrooms have their ears as the next quarter will be “unaffected”. This includes virtually all of the public sector, virtually all of the media, and they own academia. The result is that the culture has changed and the political middle is now somewhere between Stalin and the Liberals of the sixties. Poverty and serfdom for surviving humanity is the goal of the leaders of these movements and the fools who are simply believers in the pseudo-environmental pieties are blind faith followers who actually think the “carbon-free” future, in the absence of significantly expanded nuclear, involves prosperity. These are the same masses that get their information from the media.
“Welcome to the anti-industrial revolution. Look to the Spawn initiating some kind of FN related process that would delay it indefinitely which is their MO. The real challenge is how will his court eunuch media finesse his eventual refusal to go through with the expansion that he lied about supporting.”
Anti-industrial revolution. Maurice Strong’s dream come true.
If even one FN reserve along the route objects the pipe rebuild project is done.
$4.5 billion to NOT build a pipeline? Sure, why not? Trudeau has sent many billions to corrupt despots the world over, in order to make himself look good but with nothing to gain for Canada. Just add another few billion to that.
Chrétien -“what’s a few million $?”
JTrudeau -what’s $4B pipeline?
No mo Liberals!
If it does get built, the libs will sell it to the Chinese within 5 years, at a loss naturally
Typical Liberal fakery to make the low information voters think the Liberals support oil & pipelines, which could not be further from the truth. A scheme to get the them through the next election, and all the while the Liberals have rigged the system to ensure the KM expansion will never be built. A cash for clunkers political cuck up. And just like Petro Canada and the gun registry, the taxpayers are going to take a huge hit. I guess on the bright side it is better than our money going to the UN or open borders or Trudeau’s vacations.
Incomprehensible failure. Nuff said.
It certainly is a tactic to get the libranos through the next election.
The BC protesters and everyone see bongo and his government as weaklings. They (protestors) are emboldened by the KM purchase as it represents another kick down the road. Bongo and the libranos chose not to enforce the rule of law.
Vancouver has a long history of civil violence. The most recent being the 2011 Stanley Cup riots where thugs laid waste to their city. The courts took exception to these rioters and handed out sentences that up to that point had not been heard of.
We have already seen Liz May convicted in the KM protest. Her fine may seem insignificant but it wasn’t just a wrist slap.
The table has now been set for a major confrontation. If a protest develops and the law is flaunted as history suggests, it will be an ‘october crisis’ moment. This will give bongo the opportunity to set the record straight. If he man’s up and uses the rule of law to quell the protest he will be seen as ‘the man’. If he stands down……..anarchy and perhaps the dissolution of the dominion.
That “dissolution of the Dominion” is baked right into this decision. Rach is gone next election, Kenny will run Alberta & this fight will continue, until KM expansion is built. PM Sock Puppet is gonna have to make the right decision when Alberta shuts the taps off, using Rach’s legislation. Just to prod them along. If she rescinds it, Kenny can re-install it. There will be no cooperation between this province & BC, or the feds until a pipeline is built. This fight isn’t over yet. The Feds want to go all Constitutional on this….Not Withstanding Clause. And if I was Kenny, I’d do a deal with the FN’s in BC, who want a pipeline. If the LM wants to protest, they’ll have to wear out their Birkenstocks to go north to do so.
They will build it, the Chinese want it and the Liberals want votes in western Canada.
Why is this so difficult to understand? The Chinese run our government(s) but I guess Horgan isn’t totally bought and paid for.
The pipeline is not as 100% slam-dunk conservative-ideology pure as some seem to think, you can make conservative arguments for no pipeline too. I tend to support it in principle but I would be more happy with a pipeline that either ended at or started from a massive refinery so we don’t have to import gasoline from Washington state. China could take our refined oil at prices we get to set.
also, this development yet again supports my contention that by all manner of coincidence, some collusion, glacier paced irreversible change, luck, opportunity, humahn nature, insurmountable DEBT, we are entering a time when some less than 0.001 % of the population own outright, 99+% of all resources, assets, stocks, debt, including abstract intellectual property and such as satellite orbits, radio frequencies, utility infrastructure (I cringe when another clucking CONservatist announces plans to ‘privatize service/commodity/etc X’).
it started aroundabouts the day the US supreme court announced that corporations (quoting) “are persons under the law”.
so hang on to those guns dear right wingers, just make sure you have the knowledge and tools to reload the ammo yourself.
Can’t wait til PM Dressup whips out his army, just like daddy, to get it built.
The FN want some cash. That is always their end game. Bongo will cut them in and that will shut them up. Without the FN the enviros are looking pretty thin.
pollspotting:
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/daily-poll-do-you-support-premier-john-horgan-in-his-vow-to-keep-fighting-the-pipeline-expansion-on-b-c-s-coast
The Feds granted the railroads right of ways all across the land. On the prairies there’s lots of abandoned former branch lines. This is crown land.
If PM T2 wants to build pipelines, use RR right-of-way, right to Prince Rupert, Kitimat, or wherever it terminates at tidewater. The provinces can bleat till blue.
Scheer take note. Bone up.
Start sending the Green politicos across the ocean on sailboats coz airplanes and cruise ships use tar baby!
Actually, its owned by a railroad company.
So buy back CN, that the government used to own, and voila, Canada owns the right of way again.
A friend of mine is involved with monitoring the Kinder Morgan pipeline. In fact I stood over the pipeline this morning so I am now an expert on the topic.
A few days back an irate local phoned the helicopter company monitoring the pipeline using aerial inspections. He was upset that the helicopter was flying near his house and literally over top of a public school. He was told they were monitoring the KM pipeline. So he walked over to the school to confirm there was no pipeline present. And phoned back to complain. My friend consulted the drawings and sure enough the pipeline goes right under the edge of the playground. So he phoned the man back and explained that fact. The man appeared puzzled and speechless. Then he asked “wait, is the pipeline buried underground?”.
This is the level of ignorance you are dealing with.
Maybe he was afraid that it was a black helicopter, one dispatched by the UN.
Your comment about him reminded me of something while I was a grad student at UBC nearly 40 years ago. I attended a seminar on the Ulysses solar probe which, at that time, was still in the planning stages. The spacecraft’s objective was to make measurements of the sun’s poles. To do so, it required a high-elevation trajectory, one which would be almost perpendicular to the orbital plane of the solar system. (Ulysses was launched during a space shuttle mission roughly a decade later. The reason for it taking so long was because the shuttles were grounded due to the Challenger mishap.)
Most of us quietly listened to the presentation but there was some weirdo in the back who kept interrupting. He looked like some leftover hippy who probably attended because he heard that the spacecraft had something to do with the sun. (“Hey! Solar energy!”) He kept asking questions such as how it would affect the atmosphere and how high above the ground it would fly, even though those details had been covered.
The chap sounded like he was zonked out of his gourd or had consumed the wrong kind of mind-altering substances at one time. The presenter displayed an enormous amount of self-discipline as he took those interruptions in stride without appearing to be annoyed.
Unfortunately, Mr. Burned-out Hippy seemed to be typical of many of the Vancouver area residents I met while I was at the university.
How is this different than the Ontario Liberal Gas Plant Scam?
Get your Liberal card today,glorious opertunity to bill the taxpayer for a construct that never ends and never begins..
The glory days of Liberal looting are back.
We will get to see Alberta and BC fill up with pipeline construction firms that no-one ever heard of before..
All with impecable Liberal credentials.
On the Ambien story, Angel posted a reference to a company with Russian ties coming out with an IPO. Story was on the CBC. Is there a possible connection with the Liberal pipeline business? Or am I confused? It might just be an indication that there is big money in oil and gas and we are missing the boat:
https://tridentacquisitions.com
As a conservative, if this gets the pipeline built, I just may vote FOR the Liberals and JT next go round.