95 Replies to “No”

  3. Here’s my favourite quote from that article:
    “Give us a chance to show what kind of people we are,”
    We’ve seen what kind of people you are – grubby criminals with no respect for Canadian law. No thanks, we have enough of those already.
    And why would they “rush” across the border? Mexicans can walk across easy enough – they don’t need a visa.

  4. No? No to the plight these poor Mexicans are in, or no you don’t want Mexicans crossing into Canada? Well, we need workers in the oil sands don’t we?.
    Ok Mexicans, welcome to Canada. Head north and make left at Thunder Bay, there’s lots of work.

  5. Albatros: Get with the program, we’ve been bringing them into Alberta by the hundreds – selectively on the basis of employers’ needs and LEGALLY. To date, there’s been no serious resistance from unionized Canadian workers.

  6. “Teresa Piruzza, executive director of Ontario Works said, as of Monday, ten families and 18 individuals had applied for social assistance. “We’re just starting to process them,” Piruzza said of the applications.”
    For once I agree with Kate completely.
    No.
    No, no, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…..

  8. **** so help me if we make the same mistakes the Americans made and my tax dollars go towards social services for illegals I will pull my assets out of Canada so fast, pay the twenty five grand for a convenience passport from one of the “Saint” islands in the Caribbean, and never send a penny to the Receiver General again. Canada: I am not your donkey.
    PS watch for the baby boomers to support illegal immigration since it will push up their house prices before they cash out.

  9. No to illegal immigrants pouring into Canada, to enjoy free rent, free medical and dental services, free food vouchers, while the rest of us working stiffs foot the bill–many of us without either a doctor or benefits.
    There’s a limit to how “charitable” a country can be. I’d question whether it’s charity or unmitigated lib-left-bleeding-heart stupidity, that nine times out of ten misreads human nature, to allow thousands upon thousnds of illegal Mexican “refugees” to clog our social services.
    Canadians are already taxed to the max and hardly get any return on our largesse (health “care’s” totally inadequate, our eastern cities, at any rate, are decaying and declining, our highways and city streets are a mess, etc.). Why do we need to be further burdened?
    Hard-headed wisdom needs to prevail here, not bleeding-heart-white-man’s-guilt imbecility.
    Cuidado, Gringos Canadienses! Una palabra a nos amigos Mexicanos: “Nuestras casas no estan sus casas…unless you’re willing to fully pull your weight.

  10. Wait, I spoke too soon. Sometimes happens when I post before eating, heh.
    Send four million of the hottest Mexican latinas you can find up here post haste and I might buy into this scam.
    Hey, we have a child care crisis, don’t we? Instead of unionized state run daycare why not do what normal societies have done since time immemorial and have nannies, and save several billion tax dollars in the process?
    And since we’re all libertarians here I think we can all agree that a) prostitution should be legal, and b) there is a definite shortage of sex trade workers and we clearly need to fill the gap, so to speak.
    Looks to me like it’s win-win all around, am I missing anything?

  11. Did you notice where the Mexican immigrant family is from? Google Naples, Florida — haven of the wealthy — there’s massive real estate development in that area that is displacing former agricultural land.
    VDH got it right in his book on Mexifornia — the rich like their serfs.

  12. If you read the article, Windsor’s social services is already being overwhelmed and it’s barely begun. The best thing Canada can do in the short term is institute a VISA requirement for Mexican citizens. NO VISA, no entry, no refugee claim.

  13. Oh NO!!! I was just wandering through Toronto’s Little Korea the other day, noting with satisfaction that the Spanish bookstore was the one Spanish-business in a thriving neighbourhood of Korean and Ethiopian businesses. I thought about the North-Eastern American city I live in, off and on, where Spanish dominates the multi-culti landscape. The stickers on the stores saying that there is almost nothing in the safe are in Spanish. The bank machines are in English and Spanish. There are Spanish-language newspapers strewn here and there. Teenagers on the bus refer to themselves as “wet-backs.” In other places, sudden arrivals of thousands of Mexicans have transformed towns overnight. A sudden influx of thousands of ANY kind of immigrant (not to mention illegal and therefore not exactly law-abiding)is a dangerously destabilizing force.
    What the hell are border guards for??? Do we really want America’s problems? PROTECT US, YOU IDIOTS!

  14. Okay, who in the heck signed this U.S.-Canada Safe Third Country Agreement for Canada? Talk about buying a bridge, this deal has to be the stupidest thing I have heard besides giving anyone who steps foot on Canuck soil full rights and access to our social “safety net”. I have no sympathy what so ever for queue jumpers.

  15. Agree that we should let SOME of them in,the ones without a record. Don’t we need a new Northern Army? I know Iqualit(Frobisher Bay) is just lovely this time of year! It can remind them of the deserts back home,but with the added bonus of snow and no sun, plus none of those nasty poisonous insects/snakes. Bonus!

  16. Looks like a typical middle class family to me. Check out the youngest boy making ‘bulls horns’ over his sister’s head for the photo.
    Apply for your paperwork in Windsor, but go to work in Alberta.

  18. albatross – as usual, you don’t understand it. These are not ‘poor Mexicans in a terrible plight’. They are people who moved to the US, as illegal aliens, who refused to apply to move there legally as citizens and therefore, rejecting paying taxes to support their use of the social services they use, such as medical care, schooling for their children, the whole infrastructure of a city.
    And now – they are afraid they’ll be caught out as illegals in the US. Rubbish – their claim that they don’t want to go back to Mexico because of ‘corruption and drugs’. That’s found in every country; they don’t want to go back to Mexico because Mexico is offloading its poor class on to the USA so that it won’t have to provide jobs and services for this class.
    In the US – there are jobs, but the problem is – they won’t move there legally – but do so illegally – and don’t pay for the services they use. You think that’s right, eh?
    So, they ‘flee’ to Canada, and again, don’t apply as legal immigrants. Instead, they ask for refugee status. Refugees from what? As refugees, again, they make enormous use of the taxpayers’ money – for they are housed, fed, cared for, given legal aid – by the Canadian taxpayer. Just as in the US – they worked, paid no taxes, and used all the social infrastructure of that country.
    Albatros39 – where have you been living since your presumed birth date of 1939? Do you not realize that the social infrastructure and services are paid for by taxes? You may feel it’s OK for the US taxpayer to be burdened with illegal aliens, but, do you also agree that Canada should do the same? Why? If they are given refugee status – and we pay for all of this – what’s to stop them doing just as they did in the US – disappearing into the underground economy?

  19. I guess it’s inevitable. CanUSico. One county, with a new unified $ to rival the Euro. Also, no Republican president ever, because Canada and Mexico would all vote Dem.
    Where’s a nice, safe tropical island to move to?

  20. Alberta doesn’t require unskilled labourers. Central and Eastern Canadians found this out the hard way the last time they tried to flood into Alberta.
    Sending the Mexicans to Alberta would be pointless — and our social assistance programs aren’t as generous as (say) Toronto’s…

  21. As long as they come in the front door and aquire legal citizenship what’s the problem? The article is rather disingenuous because it underplays the very real disaster that illegal Mexican immigration has made in the US….30 million illegals and counting.

  22. Except for the social inconveniences of blood sacrifices, Ted, they could be practicing Aztec refugees, and the problem would still that they are an unwarranted strain on the tax-payers of this country. I don’t think it really matters which side of Martin Luther’s divide they are on.

  23. You are about to discover that you don’t have enough schools or teachers. Not enough housing. Not enough access to medical care. Inadequate access to government services for monolingual Spanish speakers. Inadequate space in jails and prisons.
    Oh, I forgot. That’s already the case.

  24. Well, I am a Roman Catholic myself, and I can tell you that not all Mexicans are Roman Catholics. There are quite noisy Mexican Evangelical crusades in the north-eastern American city where I live. Lots of merry music and then Southern Baptist-style screaming into microphones so the whole neighbourhood can hear. I can’t see what Catholicism has to do with objections to thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants flooding Canada overnight, unless lefties in the Church work hard to get the illegals settled here.
    Man, there are zillions of legal RC immigrants who don’t dominate the multi-cult landscape of Canadian cities because they come from all over the place. Italians, Hungarians, Bavarians, Vietnamese… Lots of Catholics. And yet the languages on the bank machine remain English and French. The issue is not religion, obviously, but the prospect of thousands of ILLEGAL immigrants passing happily through the Canadian border to live on Canadian taxpayer’s dime.
    I haven’t found SDA anti-Catholic and believe me, I have a very thin Irish Catholic skin.

  25. CE and Wolfram – ted doesn’t really believe that the problem is the religion of these illegal immigrants. He’s trying to trivialize and divert the debate away from the real issue – which is their illegal immigration, their fraudulent claims of requiring refugee protection, their enormous drain on the Canadian taxpayer. Just like their enormous drain on the US taxpayer.
    Ted, obviously, belongs to that mentality that considers that it is the RIGHT of any person on this planet to move to the US to live and work, without paying taxes for the infrastructure of that society. And that it is the RIGHT of any person rejected by the US for such behaviour, to come to Canada – and behave exactly the same.
    And, it is the DUTY of the US Taxpayer and the Canadian taxpayer – to support these people. After all, it is claimed, they are working, aren’t they? heh – so are we all. But we, unlike them, pay for the societal infrastructure, the common elements of which we make extensive use. They, unlike us, don’t pay a penny for this.
    Ted is all about fairness and equality.

  26. The answer is obvious. It is time for Canada to return to her British imperialist roots. We need to build up our armies and then (with Americas permission) march down into Mexico. All Canadian citizens will have the opportunity to contribute financially or militarily (grab a gun). Fighting to take over Mexico or for a 5000 dollar military donation will buy you 1 acre of prime ocean front property in Mexico. Once there we can install a Liberal government so that Mexicans will not be too shocked with a significant drop in government corruption. The Liberals will immediately start by increasing wages so that they can tax tax tax. The new Canadian landowners will become the new welfare class of Mexico, living off of the hard work of others as they will be the direct recipients of half the tax base.

  27. Truly we are governed by IMBECILES. Refugee claims from AMERICA?!!!
    W.T.F?!!!
    I’ve got an idea, how about when some guy and family shows up at the border and tries to claim refugee status from the USA we tell them “No.” How’d that be, eh?
    Maybe if 12 million pissed off Mexicans with a taste of life in America go back to Mexico, they’ll FIX IT and it won’t be such a hell hole anymore.
    Attention Mr. Harper, your constituent here would like you to kick some asses please!

  28. Hey Ted, I vote we use all YOUR money to feed and house these dorks. When that runs out, we can use Alby’s money. If he even has any…
    Refugee claims are supposed to be for people who are going to be killed by their government if they get sent back. To suggest that applies to illegal immigrants in the USA who are running to Canada…
    Come on. Even Ted isn’t that big an idiot.
    By the way Ted, its the Lefties that don’t like Roman Catholics, not conservatives.

  29. Hey-y-y!
    I never realized that Mexicans would demand refugee status from the U.S.A. You Canadians need to kick these people out Quickly, or you will experience the same flood us Yanks have for the past 20 years.
    Oh, it would be a good idea to screen them for infectious diseases, like antibiotic resistant TB, etc., before you place them in crowded housing.
    Also, inform them you don’t take it kindly when they stop to urinate on the sidewalk. They do require a bit of housebreaking, but think of all the money Canadian businesses will save by employing these people at lower wages than they’ve paid native Canadians for years. It’s good for the company stock!
    They’ll also set up a drug smuggling pipeline as soon as they get established.
    You all have a lot to look forward to. Welcome to the new North America. Sigh. . . .

  30. Can’t help but wonder, how would the Unions like it if suddenly there was a cheap and plentiful workforce on every other corner?
    Strike? Sure, go ahead, we’ll send out the buses and replace you guys at 20 percent of what we’re paying you. Walk the line until hell freezes over.

  31. “Ted, obviously, belongs to that mentality that considers that it is the RIGHT of any person on this planet to move to the US to live and work, without paying taxes for the infrastructure of that society. And that it is the RIGHT of any person rejected by the US for such behaviour, to come to Canada – and behave exactly the same.
    And, it is the DUTY of the US Taxpayer and the Canadian taxpayer – to support these people. After all, it is claimed, they are working, aren’t they? heh – so are we all. But we, unlike them, pay for the societal infrastructure, the common elements of which we make extensive use. They, unlike us, don’t pay a penny for this.
    Really, ET? “obviously”, ET? Where do I make any comment at all about the Mexican “refugees”? Or in your parlance, please “prove” that that is what I believe or think.
    ET, once again, “obviously”, showing a reading comprehension problem.
    Like, I expect, most people on this thread, the extent of this influx of Mexican is news. I’m pretty sure I, unlike you, haven’t formed a vitriolic opinion about this one way or another.
    I will say that what is once again very unsurprising, is how quickly and readily some readers here are to accept holus bolus (ET, that means “Altogether; all at once”) a product of the hated “MSM” when it fits their general views of how the world should work and whine about The Vast Leftwing Media Conspiracy the very next moment.
    All I know is what is in that article. What I don’t know is whether there really is this sudden influx of thousands of Mexican refugee claimants or if it is the typical media sensationalism and hyperbole at work.
    But I wouldn’t want my little pokes at a little irony on the side get in the way of Today’s Conservative Outrage.

  32. …dunno what all the howling is about. Talked with a neighbour who works up at Ft. Mac and the ‘supplemental’ workers a certain oil company is flying in about half of them won’t stay. The other half wants to work.
    When it’s about -40, he says about half promptly want a flight back home, some don’t last a week.
    But hey, this country was built on the backs of immigrants. Chinese for railways, Ukrainians for farm country up north…

  33. “ET, once again, “obviously”, showing a reading comprehension problem.”
    This is the same Ted who wrote “That’s right. NO NO NO – to more Roman Catholics in this country. That’s what you meant. Right?”

  34. Hannibal – there is no real estate boom anymore in Florida. I live here. You are aware of the real estate bust in parts of the US. Florida is one of the hardest hit areas. Mexicans fueled the construction industry here, but, it’s over. As a mobile work force they are moving on.
    PS watch for the baby boomers to support illegal immigration since it will push up their house prices before they cash out.
    Hey, Andrew, who says that liberatians are for a borderless world where immigration laws don’t apply? Boomer’s housing prices aren’t supported by illegals, the the glut of housing with falling prices is because of cheap illegal labor which has undermined housing prices for everyone. Your comments are ridiculous. The average housing price in Florida has been whacked 20-30%. California and Nevada are in dire straights too. Your indirect slur that Mexicans would be willing to fill in gaps in the Canadian sex trade is vile. Don’t even bother trying to refute it, it’s there for everyone to see.

  35. I would welcome Mexican immigrants if they came in legally and brought useful skills to Canada. But to flee the U.S. claiming to be a “refugee” because you have been living there in violation of the law and you’re about to be deported for it….
    Stay the HELL out of my country. I’m only willing to share it with people who are law abiding.

  36. I wondered if this would ever happen. I figured the drive would be too long or the rumours of the weather too harsh…
    30 million illegal immigrants in the USA. 36 million citizens and landed immigrants in Canada. Think about it. And don’t even think 30 million. Think 3 million. If you’re from Toronto, think 3 million in Toronto, because you can bet your bottom dollar that will be the first stop. Toronto already has a population of 3 million. Imagine 6 million, half Spanish speaking. We’re not talking our multi-cultural city anymore. We’re not talking a neat mix of cultures and the cream of the world crop coming to enrich Canada. We’re not talking a nice balance of ethnic groups so that no one group can scream “discrimination” all day. At the moment, all of us ethnic Torontonians can complain companionably together. That would not happen if Toronto became-almost overnight-half Mexican. You think Jamaica and Jamaican culture is violent? Find out something about Mexico and Mexican machismo.
    This news has ruined my day. It is really serious. Anyone who has lived in the USA would not blow it off. That said, I am trying not to get all panicky and uncharitable. I am not succeeding.
    Imagine a picturesque Canadian city or town (maybe yours) into which one single, non-English speaking, ethnic group suddenly arrives, seemingly overnight. This huge group is not interested in conforming to local customs. (Why should they?) They are not interested in learning English or French. Canadian history means nothing to them because there aren’t any of their ancestors or co-nationals in it. Meanwhile, they have not immigrated to Canada to become Canadians but to build Their-Town-In-Canada. (This is what happens when people don’t immigrate as individuals or as families but as whole towns.) And thus you no longer recognize your own town. This is not ordinary change and adaptation. This is next door to invasion.
    This is the reality for some towns and cities throughout the United States. Remember the scene in “Spanglish” where the child heroine makes an illegal dash over the US border (now so ordinary she admits it on her Harvard application)and finds herself, basically, in Mexico? From sea to sea, Our Town, USA has become Our (Mexico-in-the-USA) Town. Huge numbers of immigrants all from one culture don’t assimilate into a new country. They don’t have to anymore.
    I’m amazed to find myself going on like this. After all, like everyone else I sneered at the racist old guy in “East is East” who feared Pakistanis would take over his northern English town. (It was set in the 1960s.) And I felt myself superior to the anti-Mexican dad in “La Bamba”. But now I am appalled at how much uncontrolled, unplanned immigration can transform a way of life in ways we would never have voted for, certainly.
    Since we were children, Canadians have sung the anthem, pledging to “stand on guard” for Canada. Great! Against what? And if against our way of life being permanently changed by invasion-in-everything-but-name-and-leadership, how do we do that?
    Again, this is not a screed against immigration. I love the multi-cultural environment of Toronto. I think it succeeds because no one recently-arrived group of immigrants dominates. The rest of us can more or less tell the more irresponsible members of somewhat incompatable-with-Canadian-values cultures (e.g. Jamaican)to pull up their socks without fearing cries of racism simply because there are so many ethnic groups here, living together reasonably well. For God’s sake, let’s not let the balance be tipped by hoards of illegals.

  37. In a related story in this morning’s Times-Colonist on the Wet Coast, the Jamaican Labour Minister urged 150 construction workers coming to BC on temporary work permits not to run off once they’re in Canada. These two combined stories are the legacy of past Liberal governments. It is now apparent that not only has Canada no borders to protect we are now importing third world “construction” workers from a country that we have been deporting illegals to for the last thirty years. The trolls that visit this site should wake up and realize that this country is only a shadow of what we once were and it is past Liberal policies that have brought us to this precipice.

  38. This is the same Ted who wrote “That’s right. NO NO NO – to more Roman Catholics in this country. That’s what you meant. Right?”
    Sounds like the same Ted whose brother is an Ontario Liberal MLA.

  39. I don’t have a problem with Mexicans. They are infinitely preferable to Jamaicans or Muslims.
    The problem is that present day softies that run the justice industry don’t have the balls or the will to punt law breakers.
    Otherwise I would welcome those western world Christian Mexicans. The do have needed skills.
    We need waiters and waitresses who are not snarly.
    We need landscapers, construction workers, brick layers, truck drivers, farmworkers.
    Those are all quick study skills that Mexican get right on top of and they will do the work.
    They are not lazy like Arabs and Jamaican generally are.
    Most white Canadians are candy asses and don’t want real jobs either.
    So bring em in says I but make sure the bad ones get tossed. If bringing in Mexicans will cut down on the numbers of Muslim and Jamaican types coming here, I am all for it. I think there is also already an over-representation from south east Asia as well.
    Just like Al Gore’s Polar Ice, White Christian societies are melting away. Within this century there may no decent society left to live in. Well … except for Antarctica where the ice is accumulating as fast as it’s melting in the Arctic. But I digress.

  40. I for one find it very generous of Canada for providing such an elegantly simple solution to the problem of illegal Mexicans in the USA!
    Can anyone give a quick estimate as to how much it would cost to charter 1000 buses from San Diego to Windsor? Per month?
    8)

  42. Ted,
    Once again you show that leftards are obtuse, infantile, smarmy and sarcastic.
    I don’t think anyone cares about race. This isn’t an immigration question; it’s a question about the laws being followed and not being taken to the cleaners by cheats and loafers.
    We have millions of people who dutifully fill out their paperwork and follow the law in the hopes that they will get through the system and be allowed to make a better life here. They wait years on end for a decision on whether they’ll be allowed to enter legally.
    There are other people who feel the rules do not apply to them, who think they have the right to jump the queue, to break the law and who feel entitled to free money and benefits while they do it.
    I have no problem with legal immigrants (who have background checks) so long as they agree to obey the laws of Canada. I have a problem with cheats who file fraudulent “refugee” claims and loaf off the dole for years on end.
    Kick out fake refugees and let in more legal economic class immigrants. I have no use for scumbag cheaters of any race, nationality or creed. In fact, it’s the reason I despise leftards and the Liberal party.

  43. For the most part Mexicans are lovely, hard working people. They rank above many other ethnic groups that I’d prefer as immigrants including far too many whiney socialist slackers from Europe. Mexicans aren’t getting the welfare bonanza in the US that they get in Canada and they aren’t whining about it. They are willing to work hard.
    The problem is in the illegalness and sheer numbers. Again, sovereign nations have a right and a duty to defend their borders and protect their native work force. The backlash against Mexicans here isn’t that they aren’t nice people, it’s the chaotic lack of order that this goven’t, and, yes, I blame Bush, has shoved down our throats.
    We are all damn tired of picking up the pieces for the corrupt in Mexico.

  44. I just got a quick estimate for a single 55 passenger bus, San Diego to Windsor, for $6549.87. It’s only a 19 hour ride. I couldn’t configure the quote for non-return. Still, that works out to only $119.08 per illegal immigrant.
    I expect it would be easy to negotiate a volume discount…
    ha!

  46. I don’t see what the problem with them claiming refugee status. I think the fall under the criteria specified by the government.
    http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/media/infosheets/rpdfacts_e.htm
    I get cheezed off by knee jerk reactionaries who think immigrants are bad. This country was built by foreigners and those fleeing persecution. We have plenty of jobs in Canada going unfilled due to lack of interest. I am actually encouraged that they are applying and not sneaking in. Over the long term immigrants fill many of the jobs “Canadians” are not willing to take. They are a valuable addition to the work force. Likely contributing at a higher productivity rate to boot.
    I’m not surprised they make social assistance requests when they get here. Why, because they are legally entitled to. After uprooting a family to a new country it does not surprise me to see that they need time to get settled. If people don’t like that they should lobby to get the law changed but until then it’s all above board.
    Canada needs to more dutifully track and enforce the refugee claimants (kicking out violators as required) but that does not preclude us from letting in people who need our help. Legally using the system provided is not abuse of the system.

  47. Actually, I think I would take about 15 of that guy and his family over one Khadr any day of the week. maybe we can trade the Khadr family to Mexico for him?

  48. “The best thing Canada can do in the short term is institute a VISA requirement for Mexican citizens. NO VISA, no entry, no refugee claim.”
    Brilliant BBS. Then Canadians going to Cancun will have fewer problems than Hepatitis, and armed robbery. They’ll have to get VISAs to travel to a NAFTA country. FREE trade for everyone (void in Mexico).

  49. Fotis,
    These people arrived from the US, not the fricken Congo you retard!
    People on this site aren’t complaining about immigration but refugee fraud.

  50. Saskboy,
    You’re right. Mexicans shouldnt’ need visas. While you’re at it you can explain why Mexicans and those arriving from the US are entitled to claim refugee status at all.
    Why don’t we just say that people arriving from countries without war and tyranny are not entitled to make fraudulent refugee claims and anyone who tries will be deported within 24hrs?
    Why in hell do we have to pay for this fraud? I mean aside from the fact that the Liberals who instituted the rules were buying the ethnic vote and are scumbags who look out for their own interests first.

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