Removing the Goalposts

Los Angeles Times- CDC shifts pandemic goals away from reaching herd immunity

“Thinking that we’ll be able to achieve some kind of threshold where there’ll be no more transmission of infections may not be possible,” Jones acknowledged last week to members of a panel that advises the CDC on vaccines.

The result is that even if vaccination were universal, the coronavirus would probably continue to spread. “We would discourage” thinking in terms of “a strict goal,” he said.

“It has a lot of tricks up its sleeve, and it’s repeatedly challenged us,” he said. “It’s impossible to predict what herd immunity will be in a new pathogen until you reach herd immunity.”

Then there’s the “boosters”

It may turn out that the term “booster” is a bit of a misnomer, and that the correct number of shots for maximum efficacy isn’t yet known.

How’s about the efficacy of one booster shot? Numbers out of Israel show…

The analysis suggests that the relative protection of the booster shot against infection is likely to be significantly smaller than the initial estimates of 10-11-fold (over 90%) reported by the MOH, probably around 60% at best.

38 Replies to “Removing the Goalposts”

  1. By the DATA … By THE NUMBERS of Vaccinated + Recovered C-19 patients … we reached the 70% threshold for Herd Immunity in mid May, 2021

    Every bit of the bullshit after that is LIES … and PURE Political Authoritarian Evil. Pure Evil.

    The idea that we will EVER reach ZERO transmission of C-19 is as absurd as reaching Net Carbon Zero. It’s just stupid and NEVER achievable.

    1. Bang on Kenji, would they attempt to get zero influenza A or B-of course not -it’s all political tyranny tarted up as medical policies.

    2. LA Times: “Unfortunately, he said, Jones’ unexpected admission “almost makes you less motivated to get more people vaccinated.” I wish that was true!!!

  2. Nothing is ever their fault, right liberals. Forced masking, numbers went through the roof of course. Forced vaccines- numbers doubled, every single edict they issued has failed but they keep on playing silly buggers and half of our society follows along like dumbed down sheep. It’s gob smacking how stupid people have become, if the first two didn’t work what makes those fools think another six or seven will work? Jesus wept, almost two years of being a prisoner of the state and people still believe healthcare experts have a clue. Social distancing, a high school model forced on that doesn’t work. Plexi glass screens that trap germs, yep that’s another failure. Get those face diapers on and numbers go sky high. What’s it going to take to wake up the sheeple?

    1. I started a new job a few weeks ago and the personnel lady, in her mask, said about something being the “new normal”.

      “No,no,no” I insisted “this is not a new normal”. She looked puzzled and I pointed to her and asked “Do you want to wear that mask for the rest of your life?”. Puzzled “well, no” and her face revealed confusion as she walked away.

      I still have the job and enjoying it BTW. Mind you, it is a sign of the tyranny reigning over us that I wondered whether I had gone too far.

  3. The mere utterance of “herd immunity” in the context of a populace 70% vaccinated and re-vaccinated with a leaky vaccine defines stupidity.

  4. …the correct number of shots for maximum efficacy isn’t yet known.

    Are ya still breathing? Then ya haven’t had enough boosters yet.

    1. “Is my Swiss bank account overflowing yet? Is Bill Gates happy?” More boosters for you.

  5. These people have been bullshitting us from the word go.
    I wouldn’t buy a used car from them, much less inject myself with some crap they’re selling.

  6. Yes I’ve been waiting for this. “Herd immunity will be impossible to achieve” because vaccines … But this argument ignores natural immunity; something the committed scaremongers have never recognized, just like there being plausible treatments. Their lies started with “It’s a new virus” when it was just a modified-in-the-lab Corona virus, which have been around forever.

    1. Were I a cynic (which I happen to be). And, were I wary of the CDC (which I am). I would evaluate this statement to be a huge “OOPS.”

      I tend to think we would all be better off had we done absolutely nothing to stave off the spread of the virus other than be careful around those most likely to develop serious repercussions (elderly and infirm). Herd Immunity requires the populace to develop an actual immunity…and nothing solidifies that state better than a NATURAL immunity. This sounds like the CDC throwing its hands up in the air and sort of stating… “Oops, I guess that gene-based therapy kind of expedited the mutation of the original virus, and now there is no end in site. More disturbing is that historically mutating viruses get weaker…which is not the case with this one. And, I wonder if this “vaccination” isn’t the reason for that. It would certainly explain why they seem to think herd immunity is off the table. They “accidentally” put the virus on “steroids.”

  7. So, just like the flu, there is no way a vaccine can help humanity achieve “herd immunity”. Funny. And all this time, 15 days to flatten the curve, just get the shot, etc, they probably knew that it was all pandemic theatre. Sadly, many are still enmeshed in the lie, we see them in the comments here, fools hoping they can avoid something that is just there, forever.

    Deaths, take a look at the curves, cases vs deaths. And remember that the death numbers are inflated because they are not “from covid” they are “with covid”. The CFR is 2% and falling, which under normal estimates would make the IFR .2%. We have no idea how many people actually have had the coof, but we can be 100% sure it is orders of magnitudes higher than the number counted by a piss poor PCR test.

  8. The paper in the “Numbers out of Israel” has been removed from the site linked to. Is there another way to access it?

  9. “We would discourage” thinking in terms of “a strict goal,”. Sounds like something LBJ or Robert McNamara would have said.

    The revelations in the article are starting to remind me of the Pentagon Papers. I’m sure there will be a lot more of this to come.

  10. It appears that there are two Doctor Brooks cited in this article. Both said they are dissappointed to find out that the vaccines do not stop the spread. But both double down and state that we have to get more people vaccinated in the interest of public safety.

    “And if public health officials stop talking about the “herd,” people may lose sight of the fact that vaccination is not just an act of personal protection but a way to protect the community.”

    How the hell does the vaccination protect the community if they do not stop the spread. The only thing they may do is reduce the severity of the infection and the demand on the health care system but that is beginning to appear to be debatable as well.

    The LA Times reporter is not capable of critical thinking.

    1. “How the hell does the vaccination protect the community if they do not stop the spread.”

      Two ways:

      1) Vaccinated have a much lower chance of being infected in the first place. Can’t spread it if you never catch it

      2) vaccination reduces hospitalization and ICU incidence.

      1. This is not correct. It increasingly looks like vaxed have an increased susceptibility to the virus, especially shortly after being vaxed. It also begins to look like ADE is now kicking in. Vax also weakens the immune system, so vulnerable non- Covid people are filling up ICU’s. Longer term testing would have been a good idea before massively vaccinating everyone with the experimental “vaccines.”

  11. The concept of herd immunity, for me, is a huge question in all of this. It seems to have never been consistently defined for covid. 95% to slow (but not stop) measles, sure. Covid, 80, er, percentish, give or take, depending on the reporters mood and to whom they talked.

    I think we see that the term is used more politically than scientifically to push the political narrative. “Ooooh I must be part of a herd”. A take that many commenters hereabouts find laughable.

    Basically part of the multivariant Platonic lies to make us all follow a political poll driven pronouncement of the week.

  12. Perhaps the CDC is finally going to start talking about the reality of the situation and admit it’s not herd immunity they’re working on, it’s flock immunity.

  13. When 80% of the herd,fails to react..at all to this”novel corona virus”.
    What defines this “herd immunity?”
    This was the beginning of my “WTF?”
    The Cruise ship and then the Navy vessel,lots of people crowded together,sharing same air-handling systems,all inhaling this “Pandemic Grade Novel virus”
    Only 1 in 5 react to this exposure.
    99.9% of those survive…?
    4 out of 5 are not even troubled with the sniffles…Novel virus?
    In what way?
    Then came the “magic vaccine” ‘We were saved!
    Except more restrictions were imposed.Even more contradictory and idiotic mandates created.
    Now like Orson says,the Oops narrative is beginning.
    As public perspectives change,these panicked nitwits,will now try to convince us,that they just made innocent and natural mistakes.
    And that we really really owe then a big thanks for all their help .
    For only big government can save you.

  14. The fact that the Boosters are conforming to the Law of Diminishing Returns should be no surprise to anyone.

    The choice will soon be that either you get off the Jab Caboose and refuse to roll your sleaves up, or your boosters are going to be come more and more frequent until the stage that you may be expected to Jab in a Booster daily.

    Can’t see Big Pharm having a problem with this, so don’t expect the likes of Pfizer raising red flags any time soon.

  15. COVID-19:is doing what the Chinese designed it to do. Ruin us. Success is within their grasp.

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