Wuhan Flu: Discussion On Vaccines

You may find this conversation useful. I’ve set the video to start at the relevant topic (mRNA and DNA based vaccine technologies vs conventional platforms), though I found most of it entertaining.

65 Replies to “Wuhan Flu: Discussion On Vaccines”

    1. The most obvious explanation is likely the correct one. Occams razor. The vaccine didn’t have time to cause resistance, and Covid came through the home before that happened.

      1. “… the vaccine didn’t have time to cause…” is not the simplest answer. The simplest answer for the facts stated is that the vaccine caused the positive tests and possibly the deaths.

        1. A positive test does not cause death, and there is no evidence that the vaccine causes a positive test.

          1. You said nothing about evidence. You invoked Occam’s Razor. Incorrectly.

            Stop moving the goalposts.

        2. I might cause a positive serology test. It CANNOT cause a positive PCR test. You really have no idea what you’re talking about.

      2. That’s not Occam’s Razor, you Communist shill. Occam’s Razor is “entities should not be multiplied needlessly”. In order to get to your rationalization for the vaccine not being responsible, you have to invent a set of new entities (namely, a virus outbreak that successfully infects vaccinated people and causes their deaths).

        1. Communists like to preen that they are specialists in all fields of science.

          When it goes horrifying wrong , they pretend not to know things.

        2. The vaccine requires some time to build immunity it’s not just instant.

          The things I have to explain.

  1. This is a repost, in case you missed it.
    It’s from Chris who deserves the credit :

    IF I GET VACCINATED…
    •”If I get vaccinated can I stop wearing a mask(s)?”
    Government: “NO”
    •”If I get vaccinated will the restaurants, bars, schools, fitness clubs, hair salons, etc. reopen, and will people be able to get back to work like normal?
    Government: “NO”
    •”If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?”
    Government: “Maybe. We don’t know exactly, but probably not.”
    •”If I get vaccinated, at least I won’t be contagious to others – right?”
    Government: “NO. the vaccine doesn’t stop transmission.”
    •”If I get vaccinated, how long will the vaccine last?”
    Government: “No one knows. All Covid “vaccines” are still in the experimental stage.”
    • “If I get vaccinated, can I stop social distancing?”
    Government: “NO”
    •”If my parents, grandparents and myself all get vaccinated can we hug each other again?”
    Government: “NO”
    • “So what’s the benefit of getting vaccinated?”
    Government: “Hoping that the virus won’t kill you.”
    •”Are you sure the vaccine won’t injure or kill me?”
    Government: “NO”
    •”If statistically the virus won’t kill me (99.7% survival rate), why should I get vaccinated?”
    Government: “To protect others.”
    •”So if I get vaccinated, I can protect 100% of people I come in contact with?”
    Government: “NO”
    • “If I experience a severe adverse reaction, long-term effects (still unknown), or die from the vaccine will I (or my family) be compensated from the vaccine manufacture or the Government?”
    Government: “NO – the government and vaccine manufactures have 100% zero liability regarding this experimental drug”
    So to summarise, the Covid19 “vaccine”…
    Does not provide immunity
    Does not eliminate the virus
    Does not prevent death
    Does not guarantee you won’t get it
    Does not stop you from passing it on to others
    Does not eliminate the need for travel bans
    Does not eliminate the need for business closures
    Does not eliminate the need for lockdowns
    Does not eliminate the need for masking
    I am not anti-vaccine. I am pro-choice.
    Want the vaccine? Help yourself.
    Just don’t tell me your choice must also be my choice.

        1. That as my take as well, Allan S is usually in the running. Particularly when trying to BS us in the areas of our own expertise.

          Responding to Allan S though? Well, you can talk about leading a horse to water, and if you do then Allan is likely to head off on a tangent about not making silk purses out of pigs ears when he’s bought a pig in a poke that has used 7 of its 9 lives.

    1. Nancy:

      One way to control the sheeple is to create a phony-baloney crisis and then offer them false hope. Look at the way lottery tickets are sold.

      1. B–
        That is pure Alinsky. We must reject him.
        We must wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness…

        1. We must wait expectantly for the hope of righteousness…

          The majority of those who are left have been cowed into submission.

      2. Yeah BA, but lottery tickets are a stupidity tax, this phoney-baloney crisis goes down the Aliceinwonderland rabbit hole and was disappeared.

        1. That’s true: purchasing a lottery ticket is a voluntary act, despite the slick advertising used to sell them.

          This “impending end of the world as we know it” and its purported “treatment” was imposed on us like Carousel in the movie Logan’s Run with the vaccine having the same effect or, possibly, purpose. (There won’t be a renewal, either.) The police and bylaw JBTs are like the Sandmen.

    1. The long term effects aren’t known. The question is, with a mortality rate on the order of 0.7% for a virus, why should a new untested be promoted over methods that time has shown to be safer?

      Namely, Hydroxychloroquinine, Ivermectin, Vitamin D, a number of other drug combinations discussed on other threads here, sunshine and playing outside, keeping people calm and happy instead of scaring them to death about the dreaded disease that has a similar annual death toll to the annual flu of 40-60 years ago.

      Go ahead and be a lab rat. I hold out higher standards before I’ll let my kids be anywhere near it.

      1. DITTO.

        The jab is currently killing approx. 2 % of the people getting it.
        Versus 99.3 % who get Whuflu and survive.
        I know where to place my bet.

      2. Its obviously nuch higher than 0.7%. Dont belittle those numbers either, that is very high for a very contagious virus.

        H1N1? 0.02% and much less contagious.

        1. “Dont belittle those numbers either…” Why on earth not? It’s not as though any of us will live forever on earth. Why make miserable and poorer our time here? And why is it that the elites of the world are allowed to continue their lifestyles and the rest of us are not?

          Why are you so certain it’s over the 0.7% that appears to be the empirical mortality rate? Why do you want to foment panic? The deaths from Covid are usually in what would normally be the last year of life (look at the average death rate). The deaths from suicide due to Covid lockdowns and the accompanying panic are typically of those who would otherwise have 50-60 years to live.

          Perhaps more importantly, why should any of us listen to someone with your history when you try to tell us how we should live our lives?

          1. There is no evidence of an increase in suicide in America over 2020.

            You need to STFU. You’ve been wrong for almost a year now you are saying the same dumb nonsense that you were saying back in April and it has been COMPLETELY WRONG THE WHOLE TIME.

            “The long term effects aren’t known.”

            We have no reason to believe their will be any besides not dying of COVID. This makes it a heck of a lot better than HCQ or whatever other snake oil has caught your eye.

          2. Have you ever been right about anything? Shush, child, the grown-ups are talking.

            Principia Scientifica released an early paper on the new vaccines. 1 adverse reaction in every 333 people who received the vaccine. Including sterility and permanent blindness.

            https://web.archive.org/web/20210214205756/https://principia-scientific.com/uk-government-releases-shocking-report-on-covid-vaccine-side-effects/

            Fools like you are why there were children of Thalidomide. “It reduces nausea, let’s widely prescribe it. Why worry about long-term effects when it could help now?”

            Suicide numbers are usually released one to five years after the fact, so they’re not available yet.

        1. How is it wrong? From the link: Incidentally, all Covid death stats are inflated: under direction of the WHO, deaths ‘from” and incidentally “with” Covid are not distinguished. Death coding has changed compared to Influenza/Pneumonia. According to one published analysis, this has resulted in over 16 times inflation of death stats, as supported by CDC data.

          Please post counter-evidence, or apologize to PO’ed. Or whine like an UnMe. Regardless, this is a test of character.

          1. Death coding has not changed and as Allan S said, this is dumb trash. None of the CDC data supports what you’re saying here.

            The vaccine is indeed a vaccine. Again: STFU

          2. CDC has admitted that only 6% of deaths would be attributed to Covid under the old naming system (aka no other cause of death). There are gunshot deaths and motorcycle accidents listed as Covid deaths, and Covid is listed as a “comorbidity”. Are you lying, ignorant, or stupid?

      1. To Unme/Allen S: you both need to tone it down. Neither of you are any sort of authority on COVID, or “vaccines”.
        Never seen such junkyard dog snapping and snarling. Either of you have anything of information on the subject, present it.
        None of this crap are vaccines. mNRA only. Stick it in your veins for all I care, just stay outside anyone else’s “space” with this crap floating around in you. Let us know how you make out. I’ll wait, thanks.

        1. “mNRA only.”

          Which instructs transfected cells to make viral protein in the intracellular cytoplasmic environment, right where it can be processed for MHC loading and then loaded onto the MHC to activate lymphocytes with a the receptor that binds to cognate antigen leading to immunization of the subject. JUST LIKE A VACCINE.

          I know this stuff, you don’t. I have a degree, you don’t or shouldn’t. You have links to artists run by sincere BS artists, I have expertise.

          1. I have expertise.

            One of my relatives has a Ph. D. His expertise, probably like yours, in getting it was forking over enough money to some boiler room broom closet “university” that’s now out of business.

          2. From the article: “That’s exactly what this is — this is a mechanical device in the form of a very small packet of technology that is being inserted into the human system and activate the cell to become a pathogen manufacturing site. And I refuse to stipulate — in any conversations — that this is a “vaccine” issue. The only reason why the term is being used is to abuse the 1905 Jacobson case that has been misrepresented since it was written.”

            “You are getting injected with a chemical substance to induce illness — not to induce a immune-transmissive response. In other words, nothing about this is going to stop you from transmitting anything. This is about getting you sick — and having your own cells be the thing that get you sick.”

            I await your reply.

        2. C_Miner, “are you lying, ignorant, or stupid” Um, I vote all three! There again, I’ve elected to ignore him/them, shim, hem, it, or whatever.

  2. The mRNA technology is very interesting. It’s written by software and, in a way, is pretty easily installed into your cellular operating system.

    https://academictimes.com/first-vaccine-to-fully-immunize-against-malaria-builds-on-pandemic-driven-rna-tech/

    Malaria is the all time heavy weight champion of human death by disease. Now we simply solve it.

    Think of the Utopia when our grandkids grow in a disease-free world. Of course nothing bad could happen. I for one am hoping for some form of support power.

    1. That sounds like some good science fiction. Humans have either been created or evolved (take your pick according to your belief) to be so complex that scientists trying to “play god” (for lack of a better term) will not be able to do that without messing us all up. We can’t even make fairly simple medications that don’t have multiple side effects.

    2. I had a military buddy who had the strangest effects from malaria when it activated every couple years.
      He would just be talking away and acting normal and all of sudden freeze in mid sentence and actions for about 20 or 30 seconds and then continue. Not at all realizing what just happened.
      We would have to tell him what happened and his explanation was the malaria he had gotten a dozen years before.

      1. The Military, historically speaking, was where vaccines were tested first. Lots of veterans have vaccine injuries from the experimental concoctions they received in the Services. Now, apparently the entire population are to be the guinea pigs for the FOREVER INDEMNIFIED vaccine/drug manufacturers making trillions of dollars. I think I will just wait a little longer, soon the poke will be mandatory anyway.

        1. Oldtimer64, I’ve decided that if that vaccine prick is forced on me, I will advise the prickee that if I can track them down, they will regret shoving that shit into me, because I’ll be shoving something sharp but larger, into them when I find them.

  3. There’s a saying, “when in doubt don’t..” I wouldn’t use this application in the case of the vaccine.
    Our Queen, who is closing in on her 95th birthday, has had the vaccine, I’m sure she has the best medical team available to advise her on such matters.

    1. Um, OK Liz J, just because they tell us she’s had the vaccine, we should simply believe them? OK, sure!

  4. Allan Shithead is as dumb as a post.

    On Friday a workmate told me his dementia inflicted mother nearly bit the dust after getting her second shot.
    My mother gets her second shot tomorrow. Old dolly’s got a bit of high BP and a heart murmur, but she had every disease as a kid and wasn’t expected to make it then.
    If the vaccine takes her out then it’s a problem. There have only been two recorded cases in her place (staff) and nobody got sick let alone died.
    The place gets a 100% grade. If anyone there dies from the 2nd shot then the Wuhan Flu didn’t kill them, the ‘solution’ did.

    Go fuck yourself Allan S

    1. Correlation causation.

      I will trust the experts on this one rather than ignorant meatheads on a dumb website (that would be you)

    2. One problem with telling people like Allan S and UnMe to GFY is that they might actually do it and, worse, enjoy it.

  5. This comments section makes me glad that rural hayseeds are becoming less powerful and culturally empowered by the day while metros are taking the lead.

        1. Translation: UnMe doesn’t know how anything works, can’t fix anything, and is proud of being a dependent idiot. You’re welcome to live in the world that the rest of us have built if you stop complaining and keeping us from working. We’ll let you ride our shirt-tails if you’ll leave us alone to keep society running, fed, and warm.

          Saying you’re “civilized” is a lie. You repeatedly show that you have no knowledge of how we (as a society) came to be here, why civilization depends upon an equally applied system of rules and laws, and the basic functional rules about how decisions that affect everyone are arrived at. (hint – “it doesn’t matter who gets the most votes, it matters most who counts the votes.” is not a recipe for a long lived society.)

          There is a rural versus urban element – rural folks have a wider experience and expertise than the urban. And I grew up rural and am now urban, and my neighbours have remarked several times at how competent I am at that I say that I do, and how good my questions are at that that I cannot do (because I want to know more and better for next time). Many urban dwellers are like PhDs, they are extremely focused and tend to be incompetent outside of that focus.

          I don’t know what UnMe’s focus is, but it has definitely proven to be incompetent outside of that specialty (and unwilling to listen or learn).

    1. rural hayseeds

      I grew up in a small town in northern B. C. I went to school with people with ties to the oil business or farming. I guess that makes me a rural hayseed too, eh?

  6. I haven’t seen the comments section this ‘lively’ in a while.

    I swore early last year that I would stop posting about masks and vaccines because people get overheated on both subjects. But here goes a rule violation.

    We live in a world pathogens, some of which will cause us great harms. I would no more avoid the Covid vaccine than I would the Tetnus vaccine. You’ve all had that shot, and measles, mumps, rubella, probably some of the various flu shots.

    Vaccines are a part of why our life expectancy is now 80ish and climbing rather than sub 70 like it was five decades ago.

    I’ve never had chicken pox, I took the experimental vaccine many years ago to avoid catching it as an adult. I understood the relative risk. Chicken pox in adults is horrible. You all should all weigh the risk of the shingles vaccine if you haven’t already taken it (same virus, similar painful reasons).

    I’ve nearly died from pneumonia, I will not willingly risk that again. I will be taking the Covid vaccine to potentially avoid drowning in my own juices (or passing it on for someone else to experience that fate).

    I’m pleasantly surprised by the speed these vaccines were developed. My genetics degree is 30 years old and unused so I’m inexpert on how it was done but I’m knowledgeable enough to be impressed. I believe that the vast majority of people who work in these fields are good people who geek out on the subject. That level of expertise and passion is inspiring, not frightening. In many ways, this may be this century’s moon-shot, a fantastic achievement.

    Millions of these doses have been administered for three months and the numbers of side effects seems very low. (In Canada we’ve had millions of announcements and far fewer doses in arm).

    Sure the technology is new, it’s always worrying when something is developed that fast, however the risk seems low. As an older adult with some education, life experience, and the capacity to understand the risk of a jab, bring it on. Again, it’s about my understanding of relative risk.

    Finally. I’m really hoping the Gates nanochips can tune in something better than CBC radio.

  7. Slightly off topic, but I’ve seen no sage and wise words from the “very old white guy” lately, Has anyone else? I hope he’s doing OK.

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