In both the U.S. and Britain, many healthcare workers are refusing to take the vaccine. Reasons vary greatly. If it were available to you tomorrow, would you take it?
h/t LindaL
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I’ve never volunteered for a vaccine trial in my life. Why would I start now?
Why do these vaccinations have immunity from prosecution tells you all you need to know.
Buyer beware.
+++Jojo
Yes I would take it ! Bravery is running on empty on this question! I’d take it for my family to prevent them from getting COVID! And to prevent the shit show that is associated with IT!
Bring It ON!
Wake Up! This vaccine DOES NOT prevent you from getting the covid flu. Should you contract the covid flu it only reduces the severity.
I do not think it’s bravery that would compel you to take a ‘rush-job’ vaccine. It sounds more like ignorance and fear to me .. with all due respect. Why is the establishment so adamant about absolutely EVERYONE getting the injections … They never did that for the annual flu season that we already live though.
Now the threat is … without proof of vaccination, you can’t do a lot of things, like travel, work in many places etc.
We are being herded into a world where government controls our minds and bodies.
Inject this now and then that later and on and on until you have been altered to suit the Globalist’s plans. Watch for sterilizations and other population-limiting injections to come.
The dumbing down will continue in earnest by fake media and fake educational system.
The vaccine you are willing to put in your body and subject your family to is UNTESTED, they do not know if it will just arrest symptoms, they are unsure if it can prevent the transmission of the virus, they are unsure about everything related to it, EXCEPT, the drug companies are EXEMPT from any liability arising from adverse reactions up to and including death. Ask your doctor to sign a sheet declaring liability if you have an adverse reaction? You are afraid of a virus no more dangerous than the seasonal flu with a 99.8% recovery rate.
For one thing they have not isolated and discovered what the illness actually is in a laboratory. None of the vaccines they have created have been tested.
YOU ARE THE TRIAL YOU ARE THE GUINEA PIG.
So you go to the doctors and say I am not sick, and he injects you with an unknown untested drug for a disease you don’t have and you think you are acting intelligent or superior in some Fucked up way.
There is a word for that. STUPID SHEEP.
That is like I think you might get sick with a disease that we have not identified but here take this medicine that we whipped up, not sure what its for or what effect it will have on you and by the way you can’t sue me.
Watcher the first time I disagree with your assessment ! The next time you go for surgery are you going to lie on the table and tell the anthesis not to bother putting the sedative in because you don’t trust it! ” And you think you are acting intelligent or superior in some Fucked up way”
Keith the vaccination has never been trialed. You are the trial, you are the Guinea pig. the disease has never been isolated in a laboratory. These are facts. And the government has granted indemnity.
You can disagree but what I stated are all facts.
A bet to you one cold beer that you take the vaccine and I will too when it is offered to me!!
I would like to talk to you about plans for Western Separation!
A bet to you one cold beer that you take the vaccine and I will too when it is offered !
I would like to talk to you about plans for Western Separation !
Western Canada is going nowhere.
Keith where were you when IQ was handed out? You can’t be that dumb or can you be? Lefties like you will get their ass kicked on this blog.
Looking forward to the vaccine? It hasn’t actually met the normal FDA testing requirements, they sidestepped the regulations and the normal testing procedures. They actually refer to it as an unapproved product: “Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization. (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 ”
~https://www.fda.gov/media/144637/download?fbclid=IwAR2gdF-bizGs0_ZGUfjbwsmvQ0gbvjinrx127JlgJxF3_bM4lrz3A-iT67A
That was just ignorant.
No, I would not take it.
I have already had the disease, and it did nothing to me. I am low risk, so it is best to leave the vaccine for those who it will help. This thing is just another disease among many. We know who is at most risk, so they can take precautions as they see fit, and life should go on without shutting down peoples’ businesses and livelihoods.
But your method wouldn’t allow the government to gain the control over us and the world economy that the have sought for a generation.
“it did nothing to me”
I don’t think you know that. This virus has weird comorbidities show up like lung scarring even in people who weren’t very sick!
How many people?
What’s the percentage of the percentage?
You have no idea.
You’re a bag of liquid shit.
So does pneumonia. I had a bad bout of it in 2013 that left me with permanently reduced lung capacity. It’s why I can’t and won’t wear a mask. And yet somehow, I’ve managed to deal with it and continue to live a happy and fulfilling life.
Based on how much lung scarring affects one’s ability to breathe normally, I suspect greyone would, indeed, damn well know if he’d suffered long-term lung damage.
Nope. I’m 62, no comorbidities, and believe that I’m better off fighting a virus which I have a 99+% chance of surviving than putting an untested vaccine into my body. I took the shingles vaccine which I am much more likely to suffer from so I’m not anti-vaccine. Anyone under 50 without comorbidities should be very skeptical about taking this. Soon we will be forced if we want to travel, dine out, attend concerts, etc. The conspiracies about Big Brother are here.
I will not take it voluntarily. But then I suspect that voluntarily will not be an option.
While I’m not worried about it, if I have a choice, I won’t take it. Like Enough writes, doubtful its an option in a “return to normal” world.
No…
Why vaccinate against an illness with 99% recovery rate?
Many healthcare workers have already had covid. Why take a vaccine and consume a valuable resource when they already have the same immunity or better than a vaccine would give? That’s just stupidity.
Me? I’ve already been exposed or had it, no, I don’t see the point.
No.
mRNA “vaccines” (gene therapies, really) haven’t got the greatest track record, and we’re still learning about their effects on the body. When things go sideways with them, they can really go sideways. Moreover, there’s no long-term information at all on whether any of the offered therapies may produce unwanted ADE side-effects, which only show up many months down the road, usually when a vaccinated person gets infected by the very agent they’re supposedly being protected from.
Everything’s a beta-test right now. I’m also 62 years old, and I’ve sat through enough beta-tests in my life, thanks. I’m quite content to let four or five or six hundred million other people throughout the world test the various offerings before me.
These are not ‘gene therapies’. If they encoded the antibodies themselves, then they’d be gene therapy.
I’m a Critical Care Rn in the US. I worked the first round and about to start a contract this time around working directly with Covid (Chi-Com) Flu patients again. I think all vaccines should be voluntary but will personally take ANY shot they offer. Just me.
Good. That’s you being voluntary. I volunteer to forego these vaccines for as long as it takes to convince me they are working as they should without side effects. If/when I think I should prefer the risk of the vaccine (everything has some risk, including deciding whether to walk or drive to wherever they are giving the vaccine) to the risk of the virus (which I may have had this spring, mild symptoms, and don’t care enough to get tested,) I’ll be more than willing to pay cash for it.
I’ve had more than the usual vaccines, I spent my twenties soldiering, got sent to jungles. I joined voluntarily, I obeyed lawful orders. I’m not under the same obligation now and I have far less trust in the rest of government(s) than I did in my army.
It’s always a matter of balancing risks, and I will preserve my freedom of choice.
“Any shot they offer ?
Do you have any idea how stupid that is?
nope, not going to happen
when over 1/2 of the doctors and nurses flat out refuse to take it….what does that say
No.
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front to rule the world.- H.L. Mencken
Oh, hell no! No politics-in-a-syringe for me.
I’m seventy-three, and had the Chicom Flu last winter. I didn’t enjoy it, but I survived it without any major issues.
I went to an internist, cardiologist, and pulmonologist complaining about my symptoms. Fatigue, lethargy, shortness of breath, loss of taste and smell, et cetera. None of the three could figure it out, and it didn’t occur to any of them to have me tested for the Commie Flu.
Doctors can be really stupid sometimes – especially the IMGs.
Will you have to show your Vaccination Card/Cattle Car Boarding pass before accessing our health care system?
No. Not if given the choice. Which may not be an option. I believe the danger to the public to be overblown in the extreme. I don’t believe the numbers.
Its all bullshit with a capital shit… Hell NO… why would anyone take this injection ? The people of Wuhan didn’t take a “vaccine”, in fact no one in China took a “vaccine” so why would you… Hell NO and hell NO. They can kill me before I take any Government injection… Fuk you !!!
…and after reading that link, LindaL, I sure as hell don’t believe big pharma or any government or agency promoting the “vaccine”.
Thanks Linda good info, but will read it again! I have never worried about vaccines!
Thanks Linda, an excellent article. However, there was a follow on article just below it entitled, The Covid -19 Vaccine, Is the Goal Immunity or Depopulation? I found that read conspiracy theory but very believable, and the writer had done his research. Definitely worth the 20 minutes to read. NO I WILL NOT BE TAKING THIS VACCINE VOLUNTARILY!
No, would not take it. And I am not anti-vaccine, my kids are all vaccinated.
But the vaccine was rushed, so happy to let the eager ones go first. I will wait, see what happens, and who knows, I might never take it.
GMO foods are fine by me. They’ve been tested. Less total pesticide intake, more (and healthier) total food production.
Involuntary gene therapy is not fine by me. Lack of testing, and it sounds like something from a bad novel about how a dystopia began.
It’s not gene therapy and it’s been tested. RNA vaccines have been tinkered with since 2013. They aren’t doing anything the virus doesn’t do ie translate a viral RNA sequence into protein, just without the whole get sick and die thing.
“Reasons vary greatly.”
Did “too busy making dance videos showing us how overworked they are” make the list?
And no, I won’t get voluntarily vaccinated.
Back in the day, vaccinations were for your health and safety.
Today, they are for profit with companies having immunity from prosecution.
I won’t be getting vaccinated, period. My body, my choice, I think i heard that somewhere before?
I absolutely will not take it and am prepared to pay a heavy price for the “privilege”. e.g. I will forfeit the “privilege” of flying which had become a very unpleasant well before the plandemic.
LindaL : I read your off-guardian dot org piece, “what trials”.
I am actually quite confident that a mandate will fail despite Tony Fauci intimating that it would be on the table.
I’m soon 72. I have NEVER taken a regular flu shot and neither has my wife.
I feel the same way about flying. I can find enough wilderness to walk or paddle through if they want me to keep away from the hordes that I want to keep away from.
Why should they? The vaccine is distilled water.
No real vaccine is available outside China, where you have to be Party or military to get it. Everybody else complaining of Wuhan flu symptoms is given cough syrup and warned to stop spreading rumours.
That’s how it will work here. It’s an excuse to force your blue-eyed savage self back to work at slave wages to pay for the elite’s 18-month drinking spree—AFTER the bank the Chinese have walked off with everything you own.
Negative
I’d take it, but I would do so with the full knowledge that taking a vaccine that has been rushed to market makes me something of a guinea pig.
Yes, if I caught COVID I would undoubtedly recover just fine. But I can’t say the same for my mother, and my immunization would help protect her.
Does immunization mean you can carry the covid, even the new version which is more contagious, does it mean it can be passed on? is that why everyone has to be “vaxed” (vexed)? What a waste of money and a profit for boggy pharma?
So far as I know, being immune means you can not become contagious.
No freaking way
No, no and no. We won’t have to make that decision, as Covid 21 is just around the corner, and like the flu vaccination, the government will tell you we have to come out with a new one, as we got this one wrong. This is a giant merry go round, it never stops and the government will never get it right.
N.O. You go right ahead and fill your veins with untested GloboHomo nanobots little sheep. Corona viruses have been with us for millennia. Thus one has an excellent survivability rate in comparison to others. Go ahead, bleat your GloboHomo talking points all you want. You can’t live your entire life in fear….unless you’re a sheep.
You would likely survive COVID-19, but you might have an extremely unpleasant hospital visit — especially if you went on a ventilator — and be left with permanent damage to your organs.
The risk from the vaccine is MUCH lower than the risk from getting the disease.
So far as “living in fear”, I don’t do up my seat belt because I live in fear. I do it up because I like to reduce my risk, especially when it’s easy to do so.
Do seat belts alter your DNA, moron?
Doug, with all due respect, someone who can’t figure out that the disease presents far greater risk than the vaccine is the true moron.
KM, that’s the question under debate. Right now, there’s a lot of fearmongering on the side of “worse disease effer!” but a lot of politicians who ignore the lockdowns to enjoy their own, personal vacations in surprisingly uncrowded luxury destinations and a lot of medical professionals opting to not take the vaccine.
When those who supposedly know more say one thing but do another, I’m much less likely to do what they say I should.
C_Miner:
The vaccine is not without risk given how new it is, but by now it’s quite clear that it’s safer than risking exposure to the disease. And that’s just at the individual level. At the “herd” level, it’s an even better gamble.
In regards to the hypocrisy of some politicians, it mostly means that they’re douche bags who shouldn’t hold office. We should not let that distort our thinking regarding the disease or the vaccine, in either direction.
… but by now it’s quite clear that it’s safer than risking exposure to the disease. And that’s just at the individual level. At the “herd” level, it’s an even better gamble.
I disagree, as many here do. Is disagreement allowed? The fact that many politicians who are douche-bags want us to take it makes me less inclined to go along.
Fundamentally, it’s a question of what type of world you want to live in. If you think that the risk is high enough that it’s worth giving up fundamental freedoms to avoid the disease, then that’s your choice. If those who disagree with you face imprisonment or travel bans, then you are aiding evil. If the US declaration of independence is correct, then there are many of us who will not willingly give up God-given freedoms for a momentary advantage. Simply put, we view the risk of the virus as being far less than the evil that our fellow humans will do to us if we give them the freedom to control us.
Feel free to try to convince us otherwise. But I hope you’ll return to the fold when arguments fail and involuntary gene therapy becomes mandatory.
“Fundamentally, it’s a question of what type of world you want to live in. If you think that the risk is high enough that it’s worth giving up fundamental freedoms to avoid the disease, then that’s your choice. If those who disagree with you face imprisonment or travel bans, then you are aiding evil. If the US declaration of independence is correct, then there are many of us who will not willingly give up God-given freedoms for a momentary advantage. Simply put, we view the risk of the virus as being far less than the evil that our fellow humans will do to us if we give them the freedom to control us.”
This is besides the original point which was about the vaccine.
This is besides the original point which was about the vaccine.
So the question of whether we should should choose to take, or possibly be forced to take, a vaccine for which we are of the opinion that there is neither sufficient cause nor sufficient testing, is not a matter of personal freedom?
If not that, then what else could be? Conservatives don’t look on topics like this in isolation. A consistent conservative worldview means that items like this are never isolated, but must be considered in combination with the hundreds of other items in day-to-day life.
No and neither does the COVID vaccine.
you mean killer Leming
charlie:
You call me a leming [sic], but you’re the one agreeing with most of the other comments on this post. I had the fortitude to disagree with the majority.
It’s obvious that many here decide things in the opposite direction of the authorities. You should neither always agree or disagree with the authorities, but decide things by how strong the case is. Anything else is just being a, well, lemming.
Good comment my thoughts exactly! Wow a lot of fear concerning a vaccine! Bravery is running on empty with the comments here! Ha
Only if they can administer it with a big burly man’s fist up my dainty girly-like anus. Over…and over…
Aha. You’re not the real UnMe, the real one can park his Miata in there without breaking a sweat.
And probably has a tramp stamp that says “Manhole” because a gay sewer worker once got lost in there.
Man, you guys sure have a lot of interest in homoerotic writing. NTTAWWT
Flip side. In California some health care workers are helping family and friends jump the line. So there’s a difference of opinion here.
Yeah Thud, but you’re talking about California….nuff said.
Why of course I will gratefully allow my body to be used as a test bed for a concoction ,hurriedly put together by the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight.
For I trust all those wonderful people who have made the ultimate sacrifice to serve us,as our most ethical civil servants and selfless political leaders…
Yeah right.
Not even involuntarily.
When the Disease itself is no real threat,the “cure” a more real danger,small wonder even the medical staff are refusing.
No. Not where I am, at my age, with allergic asthma. Others may; that’s up to them. When we’re forced, as they’ll try, we’ll see.
No frigging way!
Not much of a worry. Here in Canada we’re many months away from having to make that decision. By then any side effects will be obvious and manageable even for folks with allergies and asthma like me.
I’ll take the vaccine, I actually believe in the integrity of the many of thousands of people who have worked on developing them.
Unless of course it’s being delivered with the UnMe method, then I would reconsider.
The effects could include long-term negative impact on the immune system. That worries me. Next “pandemic” and we could be dropping like flies due to a compromised immune system.
Sorry, but that’s the same logic being used by the greens to manipulate decision making.
For example, Golden rice could save millions from blindness and horrible suffering, but OMG GMO bad and “we don’t understand the long term effects” so we’ll just forbid its use and ignore the biblical suffering for decades.
The vaccine has risk, COVID has risk, I choose to evaluate a vaccine as very low risk and COVID as extreme risk for my 8, 90 year old, relatives and moderate for me.
You are correct there will be another pandemic and this one was a low mortality pandemic (until the shitty politicians got ahold of it). The next one will probably be worse. I don’t fear the future pandemic reaper, he waits for us all. (wait has he changed his pronouns?).
Apples and oranges. I agree with you regards to Golden Rice, the fear, like COVID, is irrational, and could save millions of third world starvations. But, Golden Rice is a product of spliced DNA, with beta carotene, hence the golden colour of the rice.
mRNA “vaccine” is a beta product with little testing so far, hence the view of many to “let the guinea pigs test it first”.
With a 99.9% chance of survival under the age of 60, and no co-morbidities, I have no qualms avoiding the dose of test fluid, for a long time if not forever. Remember, the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship stuck in Japan when COVID broke out? Most travellers were over 65, and the majority, who tested positive, were asymptomatic as well.
I’m focused on resolving my health concerns without dependency on the nanny state, unlike most Canadians, who want Horgan or Trudeau to wipe their nose and tuck them in at night. Take generous amounts of Vit D, Zinc, Selenium, and a general supplement with a wide spectrum of the other vitamins and minerals. So at least if I get it, my immune system will be ready to fight off the woohoo flu.
There’s too much evidence of therapies out there that our governments have ignored to implement. That’s the real conspiracy that needs to be investigated, how many have dies as a result of ignorance by Terry Tam the man, Bonnie Nazi, and the rest of the so-called health “experts”?
Agreed. Most of the world will have been vaccinated by the time we even have to make this choice. By then we’ll know more.
I have no plan to take this vaccine, nor does anyone in my family. We’re all in the same boat on this issue.
My parent’s family, my siblings and their kids will be the first in line to have this vaccine, some may even want it twice just to show they’re the true believers and their devotion to the cause.
I think the gov’t and private media has lied about covid, and the vaccine, and I’m not above returning the favor to state: “yes I’ve been vaccinated against covid” … while I have not been.
I am quite concerned with the push to have private companies and government aware of my status as having or not having been vaccinated against covid.
Will I be permitted to know the HIV or hepatitis status of the person sitting beside me on an air flight, or in a theatre, or at a football game?
In which universe are common folk permitted to know the private health status of others, under any circumstances? Is this not “private information” anymore? Under which statute was this change made, and who voted for this change?
What did those people advocating for the rights of HIV+ people say when others were pushing for public disclosure of this information?
Yes I’m aware that people do not catch HIV from breathing the same air. That’s not the point…
It’s absolutely a privacy issue.
And no, I’m not HIV or hepatitis + nor have I ever had anything remotely similar including “cold sores” in high school.
Ever.
But I did have chicken pox when I was 3 1/2 years old.
I’m normal.
Your sibs sound like my sibs. Let me guess: they are glued to CNN and CBC?
I am not an anti vaxxer, work in health care and have refused the flu vaccine for many reasons.
As long as we are free to choose I will refuse this so called vaxine.
Yes bluetech, As long as we are free to choose. If they force it on me, they had better be wearing their masks, because if I can recognize them, I will force something on them at a later date.
I already have the Vax passport. They made great stocking stuffers for Christmas. Same font as Obama’s birth certificate. Just go to your un-documented pharmacist. Makes a great gift. Your un-documented neighbors have them, why don’t you? Not having a piece of paper should not be a cause of social anxiety. That just leads to systemic racism. Tell them Fenris sent you and receive a ten percent discount! As my gift to you, receive a complimentary six-pack of Bamboo toilet paper, imprinted with famous words from the American Constitution!
“If it were available to you tomorrow, would you take it?”
Nope. Not a chance. Maybe Version 3, after they work all the bugs out on Ver. 1 and 2.
Because people are not dying from this thing unless they have serious pre-existing conditions, plus the government is deliberately suppressing things shown to prevent the disease and speed recovery, namely Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquin.
This is a -new- technology, and despite all the claims of safety and efficacy, I remain skeptical. Show me that it works, show me that it’s safe, and show me I need it for this non-serious in 90% of cases disease. Otherwise, nuh uh.
Oh, and by the way. Somebody show me how this bug does NOT spread in schools or at Walmart/HomeDepot/Costco but DOES spread in small businesses and restaurants. I’m pretty interested to see the math on that. Just the fact that the same idiots in charge of that lockdown crap are in charge of the “vaccine” makes me extremely nervous. They can’t organize a two-man rush on a three hole out house.
Phantom, I’m more concerned about the bugs they may be working in.
Apologies, I’m old and I don’t know how to display a link, but LindaL above at 11.52 am posted one that will take you to an excellent article, and I found one just as good on the same site just below the first one called,
The Covid 19 vaccine, is the goal immunity or Depopulation.
Worth reading/
I just hope the people complaining about the rushed trials aren’t the same ones who used to complain about the hoops required to bring a drug to market, last year.
If you’re talking hcq it’s an existing medication in use for decades.
Hayden Goseek, I’m complaining about the governments of Canada, Britain, the USA and Australia specifically, actively suppressing the use of two drugs which are LONG ESTABLISHED and are as safe as aspirin in the general population. -Clinical- evidence (which means real patients sick with the real disease in real hospitals, not a lab.) has -demonstrated- the efficacy (as in real people really did get better) of these two drugs in combating bad cases of COVID-19, and in preventing mild cases from getting bad.
So what we have are four governments of supposedly free countries throwing over not just one but two proven effective and proven safe drugs in favor of friggin Mad Science. If you go RTFA, you’ll discover that the “vaccine” we’re talking about here is:
“The mRNA in the BNT vaccine was sequenced from the 3rd iteration of the original WUHAN published Genome SARS-CoV-2 (MN908947.3). However, the WHO protocols Pfizer used to produce the mRNA do not appear to identify any nucleotide sequences that are unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
Translation, it’s a GUESS because the genetic material came from the lab in Wuhan China, it did not come from a COVID-19 sample taken from actual sick people. They. Are. Guessing.
The trials for efficacy and safety have not been done yet. They are ongoing. Early results indicate that anaphylactic shock is a non-trivial possibility.
Are you getting the picture yet or should I continue? There’s a lot more.
“They. Are. Guessing.’
No they’re not you lunatic. We can compare the sequence to ones taken from patients. It’s all in NCBI.
No, HCL is not effective nor ‘as safe as aspirin’.
“Translation, it’s a GUESS because the genetic material came from the lab in Wuhan China, it did not come from a COVID-19 sample taken from actual sick people. They. Are. Guessing.”
Wow. This attempted “translation” is just breathtakingly ignorant.
You really do think, don’t you, that the entire development of the vaccine all started with folks at BioNTech and Pfizer just downloading a copy of Wu et al (2020) from Nature, taking at face value the MN908947.3 DNA sequence described in that article, using that as their template, and never once thinking to do any due diligence to validate that genomic sequence. Literally hundreds of scientists worked on this vaccine, as part of a global research effort by literally thousands upon thousands of scientists studying and working on the virus for the past years, and everyone’s all just copying and pasting the DNA sequence from the same journal article from back in the spring.
Breathtakingly. Ignorant.
Time to Juxtapose the Vaccination Debate
Mandatory vaccinations, whether compelled by the state or compelled by the companies for whom a majority of people work breaks down at the doorstep of equality under the law. If people are compelled to get a vaccination by law then the “My Body, My Choice” stance of feminists goes out the window. Let’s see how far that debate will go when feminists are told to damn well have the baby and just shut up.
It’s a mistake to reject this vaccine just because the authorities are encouraging it. Sometimes the authorities get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. We should evaluate each situation on its merits. Knee-jerk rejection of whatever the authorities recommend is as poor of an idea as knee-jerk acceptance.
“It’s a mistake to reject this vaccine just because the authorities are encouraging it.”
That’s not the only reason Marmot, as I outlined above for the troll. There’s plenty to not-like about it already.
But on the subject, given the active and repeated -lying- by the authorities this year specifically regarding COVID-19, you’d have to be a mug to take anything they say at face value.
And by the way, they are TESTING this unproven and untested technology on our front-line medical workers. That has to be the most insane thing I’ve ever heard of. They’re crazy-pants.
They’re not testing a goddamn thing. The vaccine Is a placebo. It’s distilled water.
Genuine, safe and effective vaccines for Wuhan flu have been available since before anybody in the west ever heard of it, already tested on inmates of Red Chinese gulags. If you’re aren’t Chinese military or a high-ranking Party official (or one of a small number of CCP assets in western finance or government), you’ll never get one.
The placebos are an excuse to send dispossessed westerners back to work at slave wages, to pay for the huge bill our masters racked up paying for their 18-month drinking spree. If you show up to a clinic complaining of Wuhan flu, the Pakistani hack will give you two aspirin and throw you out of his office.
“But on the subject, given the active and repeated -lying- by the authorities this year specifically regarding COVID-19, you’d have to be a mug to take anything they say at face value.”
And you’d be a mug to automatically disagree with them because sometimes they lie. Both tendencies are wrong.
Instead, look at the facts. For the vaccine to be seriously unsafe or ineffective, a lot more people than just politicians would have to be lying, and the ramifications of that lying would be very serious for their long-term careers.
The ramifications of telling the truth can be pretty serious, too, when the herd wants to believe something else.
The ramifications of telling the truth can be pretty serious, too, when the herd wants to believe something else.
The people who really know whether the vaccines work and are safe are the pharmaceutical companies who developed them and the immunologists and related workers who they employee. If they failed to develop a vaccine that was not safe and effective they would have just said so. A disappointment but no big risk.
But to fraudulently claim that the vaccines worked when they didn’t would destroy both the companies and the careers of the immunologists in fairly short order. Maybe in the movies a company might try something like that. In real life these people aren’t so stupid.
Therefore it seems likely that these vaccines work pretty much as advertised. Rare but serious side effects are always, of course, possible.
Knee Jerk?
Well they got this pretty well wrong from the start.
Don’t they have people in high positions , paid with ample tax dollars to intelligently safe guard the country they work for?
Knee Jerk my ass…..
People have been abiding this mess for almost a year there is nothing knee jerk about being skeptical of a bunch of crony capitalists, , globalists, a waste of skin PM, and a press that for the most part is even worse.
Question? If they are so right , they should have the guts to hang their ass in the wind. and no being voted out isn’t much of a punishment.
We should know by now how much of this mess was caused by negligence, and if we had any kind of press worth a sht, maybe your knee jerk comment might have some merit.
And marmots are also a form of rat.
“And marmots are also a form of rat.”
No, they’re a type of ground squirrel. Seriously, check your facts before posting.
L- The Great Reset includes indoctrinating retired people into Critical Race Theory.
Is there any provincial, municipal government officially rejecting Critical Race Theory?
How about a federal or provincial political parties ? Is it part of the Charter, now ?
How much confidence do you have in 21st Century Cult. Marxist-Medicine, so far ?
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“In the UK, retired doctors are volunteering to become Covid vaccinators to speed up the process. But the bureaucratic hurdles to volunteering are bordering on the absurd.
Retired GP Claire Barker, in a letter to the Telegraph, writes that she is expected to have documentation that she has received training in ‘conflict resolution, equality, diversity and human rights, fire safety, and preventing radicalisation’.
I 54 a smoker and won’t be getting the vaccine, willingly at least .
Maybe I will see a Gulag ,who the hell knows ?
No matter what’s said somethings seems really fishy about this whole Wuhan Flu affair.
And I don’t know if there is enough integrity in the voting public, to get the free world out of this mess and make sure this cluster f— doesn’t happen again.
Maybe we are going to get “UTOPIA” after all, if you like it or not.
I’m thinking that’s where we are headed.
It’s the only place the younger generations are going to be able to “function” and maybe wake the hell up.
I may be overly cynical, but I didn’t make it this way and either did many that comment here, read blogs like this on or listen to podcasts by smart people with some integrity and common sense.
It’s going to be an interesting year.
Yeah, I will take it as soon as I can, if only to be able to go back to a normal social life. I have co-morbidities, and one family member who is at extreme risk due to congenital defects, even though she is only in her early twenties. I don’t blame any of you guys for refusing though. Our ‘elites’ have been horrifying in their callous disregard for our well being. Nobody should be forced to take it, and once everybody has had the opportunity, the refuseniks should not be discriminated against.
BTW, Measles only kills one in a thousand, roughly.
Oh hell yes! I probably had a fairly mild case of Covid back in March but still…
Hell yes.
As a RN poster said – “sure it’s fine if you refuse the vaccine because you believe you are stronger than the virus, so why not come down and volunteer at the hospital moving COVID patients around, or visiting them?”
She has a point.
No she doesn’t. That is purely stupid statement for her to make.
People under zero obligation to jump through any nurse’s arbitrary goalpost of what constitutes a belief of anything.
Let’s reword her statement: “sure, it’s fine if you refuse the vaccine because you believe you are stronger than the virus, so why not continue going to work, be a productive member of society and pay taxes and support your local and not so local business so us nurses can get paid to do the work WE signed up for” (Nursing that is, not Tik Tok videos)
Many of us are refusing “the” vaccine for different reasons altogether. I don’t believe I’m stronger than the virus, but I also don’t believe that I’m stronger than unintended ADE.
Hundreds of millions of people in the Western world seem to be various flavours of eager to take one or more of the several vaccines available right now, and I’m more than happy to let them beta-test ’em for me.
I see no reason to fear the ADEs. This is clearly a rationalization on your part.
As far as medical volunteers are concerned, choreographers are especially in demand.
I in fact am a professional choreographer. You might know my work from the off-off Broadway hit “Gay Mormon Closet Solutions.” My skills might come in handy “on the front lines.” Is that the point she was trying to make?
What you have to believe to go along with the totalitarian government COVID narrative:
– our “essential” healthcare workers are all the smartest, best, scienci-believers, ever!
– our “essential” healthcare workers are disproportionately… people ovvvv culller
– our “essential” healthcare workers put themselves at huge COVID risk every single day! They could all dieee!
– If you catch COVID … you’re gonna dieeeeeeee! Like all those 337,000 people already
– the majority of our “essential” healthcare workers don’t believe in the SCIENCE of vaccinations
Makes about as much sense as shutting down MORE of CA … because all the prior shutdowns FAILED.
No.
I know the risk factors & probabilities for the disease. At least in the near term. These aren’t yet characterized for the vaccine(s).
If the risk for the vaccine is as great or greater than the risk of the disease there isn’t a value driver. IF the opposite becomes true then Yes. It depends on the data. I feel comfortable with the risk and waiting even several years potentially.
Nope…maybe in the fall.
As an evil, white, patriarchal middle-aged man, who wants to atone for all the bad things my forebears did, I’m all for letting BIPOC people get a first crack at the available vaccine doses; then all the politicians and bureaucrats who fomented this lunacy, and then all the sheep who wear masks while they’re alone in their car. Then, maybe, I’ll consider it.
+++ Tanker
I’ve stated before, N-O to the WooFlu RNA changing substance. As noted by others above, I’m quite happy to let the thousands of others willingly become longterm beta testers for the rest of us.
So, I’m against taking it because, SCIENCE. Long term established scientific practices, dictate my waiting.
I’m also against taking it because of STATISTICS. Each region has a different rate of infection and deaths, that should also be considered. In my neck of the woods, Victoria, the virus is virtually non-existent, though you wouldn’t know it from the irrational fear expressed by the various Media dummies, Bonnie Henry, letters to the editor, or the totalitarian NDP. We have the same chance of dying in a car accident, or from a fall, than by dying of Covid. I don’t see a worldwide call to ban cars, although, we don’t want to give the authoritarians any ideas.
And, as with others, I’m not anti-vax, I took TwinRix a few years ago to guard against HepB for overseas travel. Not taking this RNA mutant vax may prevent future travel, but I’ll re-evaluate after another year or so, after the guinea pigs take their dose.
Not unless they can hit me over the head and tie me down.
RN’s, RPN’s and PCA’s are notorious for refusing any flu vaccination.
After seeing a story about that in the propaganda paper a couple of years ago, I asked my daughter about it. She would only say she wouldn’t take it, period.
I’ve never volunteered for a vaccine trial in my life. Why would I start now?
Why do these vaccinations have immunity from prosecution tells you all you need to know.
Buyer beware.
+++Jojo
Yes I would take it ! Bravery is running on empty on this question! I’d take it for my family to prevent them from getting COVID! And to prevent the shit show that is associated with IT!
Bring It ON!
Wake Up! This vaccine DOES NOT prevent you from getting the covid flu. Should you contract the covid flu it only reduces the severity.
I do not think it’s bravery that would compel you to take a ‘rush-job’ vaccine. It sounds more like ignorance and fear to me .. with all due respect. Why is the establishment so adamant about absolutely EVERYONE getting the injections … They never did that for the annual flu season that we already live though.
Now the threat is … without proof of vaccination, you can’t do a lot of things, like travel, work in many places etc.
We are being herded into a world where government controls our minds and bodies.
Inject this now and then that later and on and on until you have been altered to suit the Globalist’s plans. Watch for sterilizations and other population-limiting injections to come.
The dumbing down will continue in earnest by fake media and fake educational system.
The vaccine you are willing to put in your body and subject your family to is UNTESTED, they do not know if it will just arrest symptoms, they are unsure if it can prevent the transmission of the virus, they are unsure about everything related to it, EXCEPT, the drug companies are EXEMPT from any liability arising from adverse reactions up to and including death. Ask your doctor to sign a sheet declaring liability if you have an adverse reaction? You are afraid of a virus no more dangerous than the seasonal flu with a 99.8% recovery rate.
For one thing they have not isolated and discovered what the illness actually is in a laboratory. None of the vaccines they have created have been tested.
YOU ARE THE TRIAL YOU ARE THE GUINEA PIG.
So you go to the doctors and say I am not sick, and he injects you with an unknown untested drug for a disease you don’t have and you think you are acting intelligent or superior in some Fucked up way.
There is a word for that. STUPID SHEEP.
That is like I think you might get sick with a disease that we have not identified but here take this medicine that we whipped up, not sure what its for or what effect it will have on you and by the way you can’t sue me.
Watcher the first time I disagree with your assessment ! The next time you go for surgery are you going to lie on the table and tell the anthesis not to bother putting the sedative in because you don’t trust it! ” And you think you are acting intelligent or superior in some Fucked up way”
Keith the vaccination has never been trialed. You are the trial, you are the Guinea pig. the disease has never been isolated in a laboratory. These are facts. And the government has granted indemnity.
You can disagree but what I stated are all facts.
A bet to you one cold beer that you take the vaccine and I will too when it is offered to me!!
I would like to talk to you about plans for Western Separation!
A bet to you one cold beer that you take the vaccine and I will too when it is offered !
I would like to talk to you about plans for Western Separation !
Western Canada is going nowhere.
Keith where were you when IQ was handed out? You can’t be that dumb or can you be? Lefties like you will get their ass kicked on this blog.
Looking forward to the vaccine? It hasn’t actually met the normal FDA testing requirements, they sidestepped the regulations and the normal testing procedures. They actually refer to it as an unapproved product: “Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued an Emergency Use Authorization. (EUA) to permit the emergency use of the unapproved product, MODERNA COVID-19 VACCINE, for active immunization to prevent COVID-19 ”
~https://www.fda.gov/media/144637/download?fbclid=IwAR2gdF-bizGs0_ZGUfjbwsmvQ0gbvjinrx127JlgJxF3_bM4lrz3A-iT67A
That was just ignorant.
No, I would not take it.
I have already had the disease, and it did nothing to me. I am low risk, so it is best to leave the vaccine for those who it will help. This thing is just another disease among many. We know who is at most risk, so they can take precautions as they see fit, and life should go on without shutting down peoples’ businesses and livelihoods.
But your method wouldn’t allow the government to gain the control over us and the world economy that the have sought for a generation.
“it did nothing to me”
I don’t think you know that. This virus has weird comorbidities show up like lung scarring even in people who weren’t very sick!
How many people?
What’s the percentage of the percentage?
You have no idea.
You’re a bag of liquid shit.
So does pneumonia. I had a bad bout of it in 2013 that left me with permanently reduced lung capacity. It’s why I can’t and won’t wear a mask. And yet somehow, I’ve managed to deal with it and continue to live a happy and fulfilling life.
Based on how much lung scarring affects one’s ability to breathe normally, I suspect greyone would, indeed, damn well know if he’d suffered long-term lung damage.
Nope. I’m 62, no comorbidities, and believe that I’m better off fighting a virus which I have a 99+% chance of surviving than putting an untested vaccine into my body. I took the shingles vaccine which I am much more likely to suffer from so I’m not anti-vaccine. Anyone under 50 without comorbidities should be very skeptical about taking this. Soon we will be forced if we want to travel, dine out, attend concerts, etc. The conspiracies about Big Brother are here.
I will not take it voluntarily. But then I suspect that voluntarily will not be an option.
While I’m not worried about it, if I have a choice, I won’t take it. Like Enough writes, doubtful its an option in a “return to normal” world.
No…
Why vaccinate against an illness with 99% recovery rate?
Many healthcare workers have already had covid. Why take a vaccine and consume a valuable resource when they already have the same immunity or better than a vaccine would give? That’s just stupidity.
Me? I’ve already been exposed or had it, no, I don’t see the point.
No.
mRNA “vaccines” (gene therapies, really) haven’t got the greatest track record, and we’re still learning about their effects on the body. When things go sideways with them, they can really go sideways. Moreover, there’s no long-term information at all on whether any of the offered therapies may produce unwanted ADE side-effects, which only show up many months down the road, usually when a vaccinated person gets infected by the very agent they’re supposedly being protected from.
Everything’s a beta-test right now. I’m also 62 years old, and I’ve sat through enough beta-tests in my life, thanks. I’m quite content to let four or five or six hundred million other people throughout the world test the various offerings before me.
These are not ‘gene therapies’. If they encoded the antibodies themselves, then they’d be gene therapy.
I’m a Critical Care Rn in the US. I worked the first round and about to start a contract this time around working directly with Covid (Chi-Com) Flu patients again. I think all vaccines should be voluntary but will personally take ANY shot they offer. Just me.
Good. That’s you being voluntary. I volunteer to forego these vaccines for as long as it takes to convince me they are working as they should without side effects. If/when I think I should prefer the risk of the vaccine (everything has some risk, including deciding whether to walk or drive to wherever they are giving the vaccine) to the risk of the virus (which I may have had this spring, mild symptoms, and don’t care enough to get tested,) I’ll be more than willing to pay cash for it.
I’ve had more than the usual vaccines, I spent my twenties soldiering, got sent to jungles. I joined voluntarily, I obeyed lawful orders. I’m not under the same obligation now and I have far less trust in the rest of government(s) than I did in my army.
It’s always a matter of balancing risks, and I will preserve my freedom of choice.
“Any shot they offer ?
Do you have any idea how stupid that is?
nope, not going to happen
when over 1/2 of the doctors and nurses flat out refuse to take it….what does that say
No.
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front to rule the world.- H.L. Mencken
Oh, hell no! No politics-in-a-syringe for me.
I’m seventy-three, and had the Chicom Flu last winter. I didn’t enjoy it, but I survived it without any major issues.
I went to an internist, cardiologist, and pulmonologist complaining about my symptoms. Fatigue, lethargy, shortness of breath, loss of taste and smell, et cetera. None of the three could figure it out, and it didn’t occur to any of them to have me tested for the Commie Flu.
Doctors can be really stupid sometimes – especially the IMGs.
Will you have to show your Vaccination Card/Cattle Car Boarding pass before accessing our health care system?
No. Not if given the choice. Which may not be an option. I believe the danger to the public to be overblown in the extreme. I don’t believe the numbers.
Its all bullshit with a capital shit… Hell NO… why would anyone take this injection ? The people of Wuhan didn’t take a “vaccine”, in fact no one in China took a “vaccine” so why would you… Hell NO and hell NO. They can kill me before I take any Government injection… Fuk you !!!
Nope: https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/
…and after reading that link, LindaL, I sure as hell don’t believe big pharma or any government or agency promoting the “vaccine”.
Thanks Linda good info, but will read it again! I have never worried about vaccines!
Thanks Linda, an excellent article. However, there was a follow on article just below it entitled, The Covid -19 Vaccine, Is the Goal Immunity or Depopulation? I found that read conspiracy theory but very believable, and the writer had done his research. Definitely worth the 20 minutes to read. NO I WILL NOT BE TAKING THIS VACCINE VOLUNTARILY!
No, would not take it. And I am not anti-vaccine, my kids are all vaccinated.
But the vaccine was rushed, so happy to let the eager ones go first. I will wait, see what happens, and who knows, I might never take it.
GMO foods are fine by me. They’ve been tested. Less total pesticide intake, more (and healthier) total food production.
Involuntary gene therapy is not fine by me. Lack of testing, and it sounds like something from a bad novel about how a dystopia began.
It’s not gene therapy and it’s been tested. RNA vaccines have been tinkered with since 2013. They aren’t doing anything the virus doesn’t do ie translate a viral RNA sequence into protein, just without the whole get sick and die thing.
“Reasons vary greatly.”
Did “too busy making dance videos showing us how overworked they are” make the list?
And no, I won’t get voluntarily vaccinated.
Back in the day, vaccinations were for your health and safety.
Today, they are for profit with companies having immunity from prosecution.
I won’t be getting vaccinated, period. My body, my choice, I think i heard that somewhere before?
I absolutely will not take it and am prepared to pay a heavy price for the “privilege”. e.g. I will forfeit the “privilege” of flying which had become a very unpleasant well before the plandemic.
LindaL : I read your off-guardian dot org piece, “what trials”.
I am actually quite confident that a mandate will fail despite Tony Fauci intimating that it would be on the table.
I’m soon 72. I have NEVER taken a regular flu shot and neither has my wife.
I feel the same way about flying. I can find enough wilderness to walk or paddle through if they want me to keep away from the hordes that I want to keep away from.
Why should they? The vaccine is distilled water.
No real vaccine is available outside China, where you have to be Party or military to get it. Everybody else complaining of Wuhan flu symptoms is given cough syrup and warned to stop spreading rumours.
That’s how it will work here. It’s an excuse to force your blue-eyed savage self back to work at slave wages to pay for the elite’s 18-month drinking spree—AFTER the bank the Chinese have walked off with everything you own.
Negative
I’d take it, but I would do so with the full knowledge that taking a vaccine that has been rushed to market makes me something of a guinea pig.
Yes, if I caught COVID I would undoubtedly recover just fine. But I can’t say the same for my mother, and my immunization would help protect her.
Does immunization mean you can carry the covid, even the new version which is more contagious, does it mean it can be passed on? is that why everyone has to be “vaxed” (vexed)? What a waste of money and a profit for boggy pharma?
So far as I know, being immune means you can not become contagious.
No freaking way
No, no and no. We won’t have to make that decision, as Covid 21 is just around the corner, and like the flu vaccination, the government will tell you we have to come out with a new one, as we got this one wrong. This is a giant merry go round, it never stops and the government will never get it right.
N.O. You go right ahead and fill your veins with untested GloboHomo nanobots little sheep. Corona viruses have been with us for millennia. Thus one has an excellent survivability rate in comparison to others. Go ahead, bleat your GloboHomo talking points all you want. You can’t live your entire life in fear….unless you’re a sheep.
You would likely survive COVID-19, but you might have an extremely unpleasant hospital visit — especially if you went on a ventilator — and be left with permanent damage to your organs.
The risk from the vaccine is MUCH lower than the risk from getting the disease.
So far as “living in fear”, I don’t do up my seat belt because I live in fear. I do it up because I like to reduce my risk, especially when it’s easy to do so.
Do seat belts alter your DNA, moron?
Doug, with all due respect, someone who can’t figure out that the disease presents far greater risk than the vaccine is the true moron.
https://www.sott.net/image/s28/569564/full/covid_19_lockdown_mask_sheeple.png
KM, that’s the question under debate. Right now, there’s a lot of fearmongering on the side of “worse disease effer!” but a lot of politicians who ignore the lockdowns to enjoy their own, personal vacations in surprisingly uncrowded luxury destinations and a lot of medical professionals opting to not take the vaccine.
When those who supposedly know more say one thing but do another, I’m much less likely to do what they say I should.
C_Miner:
The vaccine is not without risk given how new it is, but by now it’s quite clear that it’s safer than risking exposure to the disease. And that’s just at the individual level. At the “herd” level, it’s an even better gamble.
In regards to the hypocrisy of some politicians, it mostly means that they’re douche bags who shouldn’t hold office. We should not let that distort our thinking regarding the disease or the vaccine, in either direction.
… but by now it’s quite clear that it’s safer than risking exposure to the disease. And that’s just at the individual level. At the “herd” level, it’s an even better gamble.
I disagree, as many here do. Is disagreement allowed? The fact that many politicians who are douche-bags want us to take it makes me less inclined to go along.
Fundamentally, it’s a question of what type of world you want to live in. If you think that the risk is high enough that it’s worth giving up fundamental freedoms to avoid the disease, then that’s your choice. If those who disagree with you face imprisonment or travel bans, then you are aiding evil. If the US declaration of independence is correct, then there are many of us who will not willingly give up God-given freedoms for a momentary advantage. Simply put, we view the risk of the virus as being far less than the evil that our fellow humans will do to us if we give them the freedom to control us.
Feel free to try to convince us otherwise. But I hope you’ll return to the fold when arguments fail and involuntary gene therapy becomes mandatory.
“Fundamentally, it’s a question of what type of world you want to live in. If you think that the risk is high enough that it’s worth giving up fundamental freedoms to avoid the disease, then that’s your choice. If those who disagree with you face imprisonment or travel bans, then you are aiding evil. If the US declaration of independence is correct, then there are many of us who will not willingly give up God-given freedoms for a momentary advantage. Simply put, we view the risk of the virus as being far less than the evil that our fellow humans will do to us if we give them the freedom to control us.”
This is besides the original point which was about the vaccine.
This is besides the original point which was about the vaccine.
So the question of whether we should should choose to take, or possibly be forced to take, a vaccine for which we are of the opinion that there is neither sufficient cause nor sufficient testing, is not a matter of personal freedom?
If not that, then what else could be? Conservatives don’t look on topics like this in isolation. A consistent conservative worldview means that items like this are never isolated, but must be considered in combination with the hundreds of other items in day-to-day life.
No and neither does the COVID vaccine.
you mean killer Leming
charlie:
You call me a leming [sic], but you’re the one agreeing with most of the other comments on this post. I had the fortitude to disagree with the majority.
It’s obvious that many here decide things in the opposite direction of the authorities. You should neither always agree or disagree with the authorities, but decide things by how strong the case is. Anything else is just being a, well, lemming.
Good comment my thoughts exactly! Wow a lot of fear concerning a vaccine! Bravery is running on empty with the comments here! Ha
Only if they can administer it with a big burly man’s fist up my dainty girly-like anus. Over…and over…
Aha. You’re not the real UnMe, the real one can park his Miata in there without breaking a sweat.
And probably has a tramp stamp that says “Manhole” because a gay sewer worker once got lost in there.
Man, you guys sure have a lot of interest in homoerotic writing. NTTAWWT
Flip side. In California some health care workers are helping family and friends jump the line. So there’s a difference of opinion here.
Yeah Thud, but you’re talking about California….nuff said.
Why of course I will gratefully allow my body to be used as a test bed for a concoction ,hurriedly put together by the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight.
For I trust all those wonderful people who have made the ultimate sacrifice to serve us,as our most ethical civil servants and selfless political leaders…
Yeah right.
Not even involuntarily.
When the Disease itself is no real threat,the “cure” a more real danger,small wonder even the medical staff are refusing.
No. Not where I am, at my age, with allergic asthma. Others may; that’s up to them. When we’re forced, as they’ll try, we’ll see.
No frigging way!
Not much of a worry. Here in Canada we’re many months away from having to make that decision. By then any side effects will be obvious and manageable even for folks with allergies and asthma like me.
I’ll take the vaccine, I actually believe in the integrity of the many of thousands of people who have worked on developing them.
Unless of course it’s being delivered with the UnMe method, then I would reconsider.
The effects could include long-term negative impact on the immune system. That worries me. Next “pandemic” and we could be dropping like flies due to a compromised immune system.
Sorry, but that’s the same logic being used by the greens to manipulate decision making.
For example, Golden rice could save millions from blindness and horrible suffering, but OMG GMO bad and “we don’t understand the long term effects” so we’ll just forbid its use and ignore the biblical suffering for decades.
The vaccine has risk, COVID has risk, I choose to evaluate a vaccine as very low risk and COVID as extreme risk for my 8, 90 year old, relatives and moderate for me.
You are correct there will be another pandemic and this one was a low mortality pandemic (until the shitty politicians got ahold of it). The next one will probably be worse. I don’t fear the future pandemic reaper, he waits for us all. (wait has he changed his pronouns?).
Apples and oranges. I agree with you regards to Golden Rice, the fear, like COVID, is irrational, and could save millions of third world starvations. But, Golden Rice is a product of spliced DNA, with beta carotene, hence the golden colour of the rice.
mRNA “vaccine” is a beta product with little testing so far, hence the view of many to “let the guinea pigs test it first”.
With a 99.9% chance of survival under the age of 60, and no co-morbidities, I have no qualms avoiding the dose of test fluid, for a long time if not forever. Remember, the Diamond Princess, the cruise ship stuck in Japan when COVID broke out? Most travellers were over 65, and the majority, who tested positive, were asymptomatic as well.
I’m focused on resolving my health concerns without dependency on the nanny state, unlike most Canadians, who want Horgan or Trudeau to wipe their nose and tuck them in at night. Take generous amounts of Vit D, Zinc, Selenium, and a general supplement with a wide spectrum of the other vitamins and minerals. So at least if I get it, my immune system will be ready to fight off the woohoo flu.
There’s too much evidence of therapies out there that our governments have ignored to implement. That’s the real conspiracy that needs to be investigated, how many have dies as a result of ignorance by Terry Tam the man, Bonnie Nazi, and the rest of the so-called health “experts”?
Agreed. Most of the world will have been vaccinated by the time we even have to make this choice. By then we’ll know more.
I have no plan to take this vaccine, nor does anyone in my family. We’re all in the same boat on this issue.
My parent’s family, my siblings and their kids will be the first in line to have this vaccine, some may even want it twice just to show they’re the true believers and their devotion to the cause.
I think the gov’t and private media has lied about covid, and the vaccine, and I’m not above returning the favor to state: “yes I’ve been vaccinated against covid” … while I have not been.
I am quite concerned with the push to have private companies and government aware of my status as having or not having been vaccinated against covid.
Will I be permitted to know the HIV or hepatitis status of the person sitting beside me on an air flight, or in a theatre, or at a football game?
In which universe are common folk permitted to know the private health status of others, under any circumstances? Is this not “private information” anymore? Under which statute was this change made, and who voted for this change?
What did those people advocating for the rights of HIV+ people say when others were pushing for public disclosure of this information?
Yes I’m aware that people do not catch HIV from breathing the same air. That’s not the point…
It’s absolutely a privacy issue.
And no, I’m not HIV or hepatitis + nor have I ever had anything remotely similar including “cold sores” in high school.
Ever.
But I did have chicken pox when I was 3 1/2 years old.
I’m normal.
Your sibs sound like my sibs. Let me guess: they are glued to CNN and CBC?
I am not an anti vaxxer, work in health care and have refused the flu vaccine for many reasons.
As long as we are free to choose I will refuse this so called vaxine.
Yes bluetech, As long as we are free to choose. If they force it on me, they had better be wearing their masks, because if I can recognize them, I will force something on them at a later date.
I already have the Vax passport. They made great stocking stuffers for Christmas. Same font as Obama’s birth certificate. Just go to your un-documented pharmacist. Makes a great gift. Your un-documented neighbors have them, why don’t you? Not having a piece of paper should not be a cause of social anxiety. That just leads to systemic racism. Tell them Fenris sent you and receive a ten percent discount! As my gift to you, receive a complimentary six-pack of Bamboo toilet paper, imprinted with famous words from the American Constitution!
“If it were available to you tomorrow, would you take it?”
Nope. Not a chance. Maybe Version 3, after they work all the bugs out on Ver. 1 and 2.
Because people are not dying from this thing unless they have serious pre-existing conditions, plus the government is deliberately suppressing things shown to prevent the disease and speed recovery, namely Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquin.
This is a -new- technology, and despite all the claims of safety and efficacy, I remain skeptical. Show me that it works, show me that it’s safe, and show me I need it for this non-serious in 90% of cases disease. Otherwise, nuh uh.
Oh, and by the way. Somebody show me how this bug does NOT spread in schools or at Walmart/HomeDepot/Costco but DOES spread in small businesses and restaurants. I’m pretty interested to see the math on that. Just the fact that the same idiots in charge of that lockdown crap are in charge of the “vaccine” makes me extremely nervous. They can’t organize a two-man rush on a three hole out house.
Phantom, I’m more concerned about the bugs they may be working in.
Apologies, I’m old and I don’t know how to display a link, but LindaL above at 11.52 am posted one that will take you to an excellent article, and I found one just as good on the same site just below the first one called,
The Covid 19 vaccine, is the goal immunity or Depopulation.
Worth reading/
I just hope the people complaining about the rushed trials aren’t the same ones who used to complain about the hoops required to bring a drug to market, last year.
If you’re talking hcq it’s an existing medication in use for decades.
Hayden Goseek, I’m complaining about the governments of Canada, Britain, the USA and Australia specifically, actively suppressing the use of two drugs which are LONG ESTABLISHED and are as safe as aspirin in the general population. -Clinical- evidence (which means real patients sick with the real disease in real hospitals, not a lab.) has -demonstrated- the efficacy (as in real people really did get better) of these two drugs in combating bad cases of COVID-19, and in preventing mild cases from getting bad.
So what we have are four governments of supposedly free countries throwing over not just one but two proven effective and proven safe drugs in favor of friggin Mad Science. If you go RTFA, you’ll discover that the “vaccine” we’re talking about here is:
“The mRNA in the BNT vaccine was sequenced from the 3rd iteration of the original WUHAN published Genome SARS-CoV-2 (MN908947.3). However, the WHO protocols Pfizer used to produce the mRNA do not appear to identify any nucleotide sequences that are unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.”
Translation, it’s a GUESS because the genetic material came from the lab in Wuhan China, it did not come from a COVID-19 sample taken from actual sick people. They. Are. Guessing.
The trials for efficacy and safety have not been done yet. They are ongoing. Early results indicate that anaphylactic shock is a non-trivial possibility.
Are you getting the picture yet or should I continue? There’s a lot more.
“They. Are. Guessing.’
No they’re not you lunatic. We can compare the sequence to ones taken from patients. It’s all in NCBI.
No, HCL is not effective nor ‘as safe as aspirin’.
“Translation, it’s a GUESS because the genetic material came from the lab in Wuhan China, it did not come from a COVID-19 sample taken from actual sick people. They. Are. Guessing.”
Wow. This attempted “translation” is just breathtakingly ignorant.
You really do think, don’t you, that the entire development of the vaccine all started with folks at BioNTech and Pfizer just downloading a copy of Wu et al (2020) from Nature, taking at face value the MN908947.3 DNA sequence described in that article, using that as their template, and never once thinking to do any due diligence to validate that genomic sequence. Literally hundreds of scientists worked on this vaccine, as part of a global research effort by literally thousands upon thousands of scientists studying and working on the virus for the past years, and everyone’s all just copying and pasting the DNA sequence from the same journal article from back in the spring.
Breathtakingly. Ignorant.
Time to Juxtapose the Vaccination Debate
Mandatory vaccinations, whether compelled by the state or compelled by the companies for whom a majority of people work breaks down at the doorstep of equality under the law. If people are compelled to get a vaccination by law then the “My Body, My Choice” stance of feminists goes out the window. Let’s see how far that debate will go when feminists are told to damn well have the baby and just shut up.
It’s a mistake to reject this vaccine just because the authorities are encouraging it. Sometimes the authorities get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. We should evaluate each situation on its merits. Knee-jerk rejection of whatever the authorities recommend is as poor of an idea as knee-jerk acceptance.
“It’s a mistake to reject this vaccine just because the authorities are encouraging it.”
That’s not the only reason Marmot, as I outlined above for the troll. There’s plenty to not-like about it already.
But on the subject, given the active and repeated -lying- by the authorities this year specifically regarding COVID-19, you’d have to be a mug to take anything they say at face value.
And by the way, they are TESTING this unproven and untested technology on our front-line medical workers. That has to be the most insane thing I’ve ever heard of. They’re crazy-pants.
They’re not testing a goddamn thing. The vaccine Is a placebo. It’s distilled water.
Genuine, safe and effective vaccines for Wuhan flu have been available since before anybody in the west ever heard of it, already tested on inmates of Red Chinese gulags. If you’re aren’t Chinese military or a high-ranking Party official (or one of a small number of CCP assets in western finance or government), you’ll never get one.
The placebos are an excuse to send dispossessed westerners back to work at slave wages, to pay for the huge bill our masters racked up paying for their 18-month drinking spree. If you show up to a clinic complaining of Wuhan flu, the Pakistani hack will give you two aspirin and throw you out of his office.
“But on the subject, given the active and repeated -lying- by the authorities this year specifically regarding COVID-19, you’d have to be a mug to take anything they say at face value.”
And you’d be a mug to automatically disagree with them because sometimes they lie. Both tendencies are wrong.
Instead, look at the facts. For the vaccine to be seriously unsafe or ineffective, a lot more people than just politicians would have to be lying, and the ramifications of that lying would be very serious for their long-term careers.
The ramifications of telling the truth can be pretty serious, too, when the herd wants to believe something else.
The ramifications of telling the truth can be pretty serious, too, when the herd wants to believe something else.
The people who really know whether the vaccines work and are safe are the pharmaceutical companies who developed them and the immunologists and related workers who they employee. If they failed to develop a vaccine that was not safe and effective they would have just said so. A disappointment but no big risk.
But to fraudulently claim that the vaccines worked when they didn’t would destroy both the companies and the careers of the immunologists in fairly short order. Maybe in the movies a company might try something like that. In real life these people aren’t so stupid.
Therefore it seems likely that these vaccines work pretty much as advertised. Rare but serious side effects are always, of course, possible.
Knee Jerk?
Well they got this pretty well wrong from the start.
Don’t they have people in high positions , paid with ample tax dollars to intelligently safe guard the country they work for?
Knee Jerk my ass…..
People have been abiding this mess for almost a year there is nothing knee jerk about being skeptical of a bunch of crony capitalists, , globalists, a waste of skin PM, and a press that for the most part is even worse.
Question? If they are so right , they should have the guts to hang their ass in the wind. and no being voted out isn’t much of a punishment.
We should know by now how much of this mess was caused by negligence, and if we had any kind of press worth a sht, maybe your knee jerk comment might have some merit.
And marmots are also a form of rat.
“And marmots are also a form of rat.”
No, they’re a type of ground squirrel. Seriously, check your facts before posting.
Sometimes I wonder if they are a form of a cat.
Mr. Marmot
L- The Great Reset includes indoctrinating retired people into Critical Race Theory.
Is there any provincial, municipal government officially rejecting Critical Race Theory?
How about a federal or provincial political parties ? Is it part of the Charter, now ?
How much confidence do you have in 21st Century Cult. Marxist-Medicine, so far ?
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“In the UK, retired doctors are volunteering to become Covid vaccinators to speed up the process. But the bureaucratic hurdles to volunteering are bordering on the absurd.
Retired GP Claire Barker, in a letter to the Telegraph, writes that she is expected to have documentation that she has received training in ‘conflict resolution, equality, diversity and human rights, fire safety, and preventing radicalisation’.
In other words, medically qualified doctors cannot administer a life-saving vaccine unless they have had diversity training…”
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/12/31/we-are-putting-woke-idiocy-above-saving-lives/
I 54 a smoker and won’t be getting the vaccine, willingly at least .
Maybe I will see a Gulag ,who the hell knows ?
No matter what’s said somethings seems really fishy about this whole Wuhan Flu affair.
And I don’t know if there is enough integrity in the voting public, to get the free world out of this mess and make sure this cluster f— doesn’t happen again.
Maybe we are going to get “UTOPIA” after all, if you like it or not.
I’m thinking that’s where we are headed.
It’s the only place the younger generations are going to be able to “function” and maybe wake the hell up.
I may be overly cynical, but I didn’t make it this way and either did many that comment here, read blogs like this on or listen to podcasts by smart people with some integrity and common sense.
It’s going to be an interesting year.
Yeah, I will take it as soon as I can, if only to be able to go back to a normal social life. I have co-morbidities, and one family member who is at extreme risk due to congenital defects, even though she is only in her early twenties. I don’t blame any of you guys for refusing though. Our ‘elites’ have been horrifying in their callous disregard for our well being. Nobody should be forced to take it, and once everybody has had the opportunity, the refuseniks should not be discriminated against.
BTW, Measles only kills one in a thousand, roughly.
Oh hell yes! I probably had a fairly mild case of Covid back in March but still…
Hell yes.
As a RN poster said – “sure it’s fine if you refuse the vaccine because you believe you are stronger than the virus, so why not come down and volunteer at the hospital moving COVID patients around, or visiting them?”
She has a point.
No she doesn’t. That is purely stupid statement for her to make.
People under zero obligation to jump through any nurse’s arbitrary goalpost of what constitutes a belief of anything.
Let’s reword her statement: “sure, it’s fine if you refuse the vaccine because you believe you are stronger than the virus, so why not continue going to work, be a productive member of society and pay taxes and support your local and not so local business so us nurses can get paid to do the work WE signed up for” (Nursing that is, not Tik Tok videos)
Many of us are refusing “the” vaccine for different reasons altogether. I don’t believe I’m stronger than the virus, but I also don’t believe that I’m stronger than unintended ADE.
Hundreds of millions of people in the Western world seem to be various flavours of eager to take one or more of the several vaccines available right now, and I’m more than happy to let them beta-test ’em for me.
I see no reason to fear the ADEs. This is clearly a rationalization on your part.
As far as medical volunteers are concerned, choreographers are especially in demand.
I in fact am a professional choreographer. You might know my work from the off-off Broadway hit “Gay Mormon Closet Solutions.” My skills might come in handy “on the front lines.” Is that the point she was trying to make?
What you have to believe to go along with the totalitarian government COVID narrative:
– our “essential” healthcare workers are all the smartest, best, scienci-believers, ever!
– our “essential” healthcare workers are disproportionately… people ovvvv culller
– our “essential” healthcare workers put themselves at huge COVID risk every single day! They could all dieee!
– If you catch COVID … you’re gonna dieeeeeeee! Like all those 337,000 people already
– the majority of our “essential” healthcare workers don’t believe in the SCIENCE of vaccinations
Makes about as much sense as shutting down MORE of CA … because all the prior shutdowns FAILED.
No.
I know the risk factors & probabilities for the disease. At least in the near term. These aren’t yet characterized for the vaccine(s).
If the risk for the vaccine is as great or greater than the risk of the disease there isn’t a value driver. IF the opposite becomes true then Yes. It depends on the data. I feel comfortable with the risk and waiting even several years potentially.
Nope…maybe in the fall.
As an evil, white, patriarchal middle-aged man, who wants to atone for all the bad things my forebears did, I’m all for letting BIPOC people get a first crack at the available vaccine doses; then all the politicians and bureaucrats who fomented this lunacy, and then all the sheep who wear masks while they’re alone in their car. Then, maybe, I’ll consider it.
+++ Tanker
I’ve stated before, N-O to the WooFlu RNA changing substance. As noted by others above, I’m quite happy to let the thousands of others willingly become longterm beta testers for the rest of us.
So, I’m against taking it because, SCIENCE. Long term established scientific practices, dictate my waiting.
I’m also against taking it because of STATISTICS. Each region has a different rate of infection and deaths, that should also be considered. In my neck of the woods, Victoria, the virus is virtually non-existent, though you wouldn’t know it from the irrational fear expressed by the various Media dummies, Bonnie Henry, letters to the editor, or the totalitarian NDP. We have the same chance of dying in a car accident, or from a fall, than by dying of Covid. I don’t see a worldwide call to ban cars, although, we don’t want to give the authoritarians any ideas.
And, as with others, I’m not anti-vax, I took TwinRix a few years ago to guard against HepB for overseas travel. Not taking this RNA mutant vax may prevent future travel, but I’ll re-evaluate after another year or so, after the guinea pigs take their dose.
Not unless they can hit me over the head and tie me down.
RN’s, RPN’s and PCA’s are notorious for refusing any flu vaccination.
After seeing a story about that in the propaganda paper a couple of years ago, I asked my daughter about it. She would only say she wouldn’t take it, period.