Tune into John Gormley Show today for what I expect will be the best coverage of verdict reaction, along with what are likely to be review of testimony that national media have helpfully ignored. Go here and click “Listen Live”.
Keep your comments on topic and respectful.
So the Natives, Aboriginal leadership, media, Turdeau and Canadas Justice minister really believe that just because an all-white jury of 7 women and 5 men acquitted Gerard Stanley or 2nd degree murder and manslaughter because of skin color.
SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.
Even casually following this trial one can see that the evidence presented led to that acquittal.
3 severely intoxicated witnesses the day of the shooting took the stand. One was passed out and didn’t see or hear ANYTHING.
The natives and their leadership won the court of public opinion since August 8, 2016.
They lost their claim for “Justice” on February 9, 2018 when the evidence and testimony in a 2 week trial rendered an acquittal.
Racism is the instant response. Really!?? Who are the racists? YOU blame an all-white jury of not being capable of determining the guilt or innocence of a man in a trial with national significance.
“You didn’t listen to OUR story.”
“The white crown prosecutor withheld evidence and testimony. “ “The RCMP botched the investigation”
“The residential school system ruined our people”
This was a trial to determine the guilt or innocence or Gerard Staley. This is NOT about every wrong the white man did to Indians in the past.
There was no self-defence testimony. There is no castle law defence by Stanleys lawyer.
Everything I ever heard about from Stanleys position was; “The gun just went off”
The evidence of the distorted cartridge casing pointed to hang fire. The testimony by 2 other individuals were that they experienced hang fire of several seconds. Enough evidence and testimony that the jury could not convict beyond reasonable doubt.
Everyone who panders to the Natives and their leadership are not helping the situation in the local community of The Battlefords. Canadians who only listen to CBC, CTV, Global or any print media are NOT getting the true story of what happened that day.
North Battleford is the most dangerous place to live in Canada as per the same media. The Battlefords have the highest crime rate in Canada and Indigenous gang violence is getting worse all the time. The Onion Lake First Nation gangs are battling the Saskatoon gangs for control of the drug distribution hub of The Battlefords. An RCMP recently shot and killed an Onion Lake gang member after a report of shots being fired.
Do I know what happened on the Stanley Farm that day?
NO, I don’t. But. The story from CBCs and CTVs twitter feeds painted a different picture than the news articles and opinions they published.
Who are the racists? The media withheld the whole story from the Canadian public. They tilt the dialogue painting a picture of white supremacy and extreme racism.
The Native community and their leadership want a conviction despite the evidence and testimony presented.
I left one of the most blistering phone messages ever on the local LIEberal mp’s message machine.
according to TURDoo, they have to ‘do better’.
so naturally I posed the question, better at *what*?
– jury tampering?
– getting the message out to drunken 20somethings it might be very stupid to show up in numbers on *someone else’s* property looking and acting like they might have criminal intentions?
– improving the jury system they could have any time they’ve been in power over the last go&$^$&$mn CENTURY??
to all LIEberals everywhere, you can’t have it both ways. you can’t hand the verdict decision totally over to a jury, then whine if the answer popping out of the ‘black box’ is not to your liking.
If all those protesting Aboriginal put same amount of effort into parenting, perhaps results wouldn’t be so tragic…just speculating.
Judicial overreach. They might have had a chance if they charged him with some sort of negligence. Of course, this wouldn’t have satisfied the grievance mongers.
also, in LIEberal Canuckistan, apparently its fine and dandy to second guess the jury.
after the fact even. ‘trial by media’, here it is folks !!!
here’s an idea pm minister TURDoo, let’s set up online juries for serious felonies, let everyone with their favourite opinion weigh in. just like online voting.
10s of thousands of ‘guilty’ verdicts, what could go ‘worng’?
captcha Croix RACE
What Trudy and his Justice Minister did was right out of the Alinsky/Obongo playbook.
Surprised? Despite all the strong evidence to the contrary, this was just an innocent Indian preyed upon by a white racist………….
Now, serious question. Yes, Stanley had a right to defend his property, but, can someone answer why manslaughter wasn’t in play. Not saying I want that, but, others in accidental death situations have been convicted
This is typical of the racists in the grievance industry,always there to weep and moan about injustice,but never there for the kid when he needed guidance. From straight “A” student Trayvon to future doctor Colten Bouchie,the story is always the same.
In Bouchie’s case,where was the FN leadership and parents to advise him that driving around drunk with a gun in the vehicle,stealing from farmers, was an invitation to disaster.
On Trayvon Martin,the racist President weighed in when he should have kept his mouth shut,on Bouchie, our idiot PM weighed in to pander for votes and virtue signal.
I don’t understand the issue of a “hang fire”,but then the media knows sfa about guns and ammunition so that isn’t surprising.
The Court system did their duty,the Native activists didn’t like the result.They probably would have preferred a guilty on manslaughter charge so Stanley could be shanked in the PA pen.
Andrew Scheer should immediately call for a Royal Commission on the Bouchie case,in the House. The object, to out virtue signal the Liberals and put THEM on the defensive.
Bring the justice system to its knees: Next time you are called for jury duty, state that you would rather not serve as juror as you don’t wish the PM (or any Gov official) calling your judgment into question.
I have managed to avoid the entire Gerard Stanley case. It was white guy vs. Indians, therefore I immediately knew -everything- in the media would be a lie.
What I’ve gathered so far: Only in Canada would this case have made it to trial. In most of the USA Stanley would be getting decorated for valor. In the more Liberal parts the prosecution would have wisely settled for breaking him financially and pled him down to time served.
Let this be a lesson to us all. If armed criminals come to your house, run away and let them take it all. That is your only defense now, in Canada 2018. Otherwise, the loss of your home and worldly goods will be the least of your problems.
The message that is being sent to all young people and particularly aboriginal is that it is now OK to drink and drive because of racism; it is OK to drive/drive AND have a loaded rifle in your care because of racism; it is Ok to enter private property and attempt to steal a vehicle (we know they tried it at least once before they arrived at the Stanley farm) and it is OK because of racism.
That is a horrible message to send and when did ANY of that become OK in ANY culture/society?
As well, the legal system will ALWAYS favour the defendant because they have the most to lose and it is an unbalanced system – the Crown will always have way more resources at their use – I’m betting the Stanley family’s costs are probably in the area of $250,000 easily.
Are more aboriginal individuals in jail – yes but it is not because of racism or because they commit more crimes but rather because poor people end up in jail because they are poor. They rely on Legal Aid and Legal Aid will negotiate the charge down rather than fight it out because Legal Aid doesn’t have enough money.
I think if the Crown had gone with a manslaughter charge any jury would have convicted, but by the time the evidence was presented this wasn’t quite the story that the media and activists wanted everyone to believe.
If you are seeking help, do you knock on the house door first?
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didn’t see any of canada’s sainted aboriginal people
being charged with…
1. drunk driving, reckless endangerment
2. possession of a firearm while under prohibition
3. attempt theft of a vehicle, criminal trespass.
4. perjury
oh, right… it’s cbc rules.
nothing a little sweatlodge won’t wash away.
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I don’t think more poor people are in jail because they are poor.
In many (not all) cases the same root causes of being poor are the root causes of committing crimes. And they are character issues, not economic ones.
Again….. I worked in VERY poor areas in Saskatoon and Prince Albert, and there were many poor people there of excellent character.
BUT…. there were also many who were poor because of character issues. And those same issues made them more likely to commit crimes. Correspondence does not denote causality. They were not criminals because they were poor. They were criminals AND poor because they were useless, selfish, lazy people.
One area in Saskatoon actually had the atmosphere of the local school improve when they became MORE poor. Instead of badly parented welfare types, they had even poorer immigrants – mainly Filipino – where the parents were desperately working 2 jobs to see to it that there kids could go on to collect university degrees instead of criminal records. And when it comes to keeping these Native kids out of trouble with the law…. we don’t need another program.
There is a program in place. It’s called Parenting.
Manslaughter was one of the three options presented to the jury. It was presented as there was no intent to kill, but thru improper action of the use of the gun the victim was harmed.
So basically did Stanley fail to do anything to ensure that the weapon was safe.
If I might get technical for a minute regarding the ‘hang-fire’ issue, and the testimony by the firearms experts in this trial.
Keeping in mind that I only had access to the snippets of that testimony that the media reported; not once did I hear the words ‘out of battery discharge’, which is almost certainly what caused that deformed bullet case. Pictures of the bullet casing were published, and it is severely bulged near the rear of the casing to the point where if it had actually been chambered it never would have ejected onto the dash of the SUV where it was recovered.
That being said, it is hard to say what an out of battery discharge means in the context of these events, other than SOMETHING malfunctioned with that firearm, or bullet, or both. The out of battery detonation may have occurred in conjunction with the hang fire. Stanley testified that he could see the barrel protruding from the slide, indicating that the pistol was at least partially unlocked and out of battery.
Also the firearms expert testified that hang fires are extremely rare, and the hang time is always less than a second. While they are rare, they occurs most often with old surplus military ammo (which is what Stanley had), AND they can absolutely have a delay longer than a split second. Nothing more than a quick YouTube search will show you proof of hangfires much longer than a second. They will also show that a bad lot of ammo can consistently hang fire.
I’m not familiar with the inner workings of the TT-33 pistol Stanley had. Does anyone know what sort of out of battery safety was built into that design?
In the end I think all of the technical issues around the firearm would have confused the heck out of your average juror, and it certainly would have raised reasonable doubt in their minds.
I also agree with the idea of over-reach in charging 2nd degree murder. One can’t help but think they went for the highest possible charge partly because of the up roar by certain groups, and in the media. Lesser firearms charges, and criminal negligence may have stuck.
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“If you are seeking help, do you knock on the house door first?”
knock? what are you talking about?
the stanley farm was the third stop on this drunken steal-a-thon. they
broke the stock on their rifle trying to smash in a truck window at
one of the previous places they raided.
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To those who feel that Gerald Stanley should have acted differently, what do you suggest he should have done?
Bongo and his minister of justice are tampering by suggesting the jury got it wrong. The jury met every standard known in law.
Bongo and Jody Wilson should be charged with obstruction of justice. Their actions undermine the basis of a democratic justice system. Both are unfit for office.
We haven’t heard the last of this.
Sovereign juries.
Castle doctrine.
Neither of these issues were at play? From what I’ve read then, I’m not likely fit for jury duty in Canada, especially knowing that the PM of the day, or the “national media” may be second guessing my vote.
North Battleford info:
http://www.macleans.ca/society/north-battleford-canadas-most-dangerous-place-is-fighting-for-its-future/
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/north-battleford-crime-strategies-1.4375339
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/north-battleford-crime-shootings-stabbing-home-invasion-1.4425394
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/saskatchewan-city-struggling-with-crime-to-fight-back-with-neighbourhood-watch-1.1512492
https://canadianmortgagesinc.ca/2012/12/10-worst-cities-to-live-in-canada-part-5-north-battleford.html
They can’t claim this reaction is a new escalation…
Murder occurs
(a) where the person who causes the death of a human being
(i) means to cause his death, or
(ii) means to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and is reckless whether death ensues or not;
(b) where a person, meaning to cause death to a human being or meaning to cause him bodily harm that he knows is likely to cause his death, and being reckless whether death ensues or not, by accident or mistake causes death to another human being, notwithstanding that he does not mean to cause death or bodily harm to that human being; or
(c) where a person, for an unlawful object, does anything that he knows or ought to know is likely to cause death, and thereby causes death to a human being, notwithstanding that he desires to effect his object without causing death or bodily harm to any human being.[1]
Manslaughter occurs when you pull the trigger in the heat of passion that results in a death.
Second degree murder might have been appropriate, but the defense of “the gun accidentally discharged”, if it’s believed, takes murder and manslaughter off the table. If the prosecutor dropped the ball, it was by NOT also charging him with firearms charges.
“If you are seeking help, do you knock on the house door first?”
Yes, but if you are seeking “help yourself”…
Don’t store a restricted or prohibited gun in an outbuilding (all handguns are in one of those two classes), use a long gun, e.g. shotgun for the purpose he claimed he kept that handgun (scaring off coyotes.) Because he is now liable to charges for improper storage of that gun, will certainly lose the Restricted class on his Possession and Acquisition License (RPAL/PAL) for that, if he doesn’t lose the whole license because he has now been involved in an accidental firearms fatality. And because a long gun is less likely in a situation like this to end up pointed in an unsafe direction when you are distracted by some other task (like reaching into a thief’s vehicle to switch it off and/or take the keys.)
Consider this.
Yesterday, Sunday, the CHQR Global supposed pretend news station in Calgary said approximately this, a farmer in Saskatchewan accidently shot a native man sitting in an SUV. The words “accidently” and “man sitting in an SUV” are precise quotes from the broadcast.
Somehow you got the drift that the shooter was a farmer and the victim was a native. The interesting thing is that no “social scientist” can characterize this phenomenon. The “journalists” dance around and do lingo gymnastics to not to specify.
There was no elaboration on what is it that happened. You can see that the political low life will pick on it as they do their virtue signaling and demagogy.
At this moment the mud is so thick that nobody see to the end of their bloody nose.
I is interesting to note that the severely normal people have pretty good idea of what happened, though nobody will say it out loud, which would only be proper, since those that know will not speak the truth.
You can tell that nobody will speak the truth because nobody is talking, waiting for others to talk.
As for the airhead in Ottawa, he shoots his mouth off not knowing what will actually come out of it. Seems the handlers and the infatuated are OK with that.
Reasonable doubt was established in the minds of the jurors by the defense that the discharge of the fatal shot was an accident caused by a technical failure of the ammunition and/or the gun. The “hang fire” if that is what it was occurred well within the time frame that typical safety precautions taught for dealing with an apparent hang fire require you to make provision for. Contrary to some “expert” testimony hang fires can take minutes, though it is true that the longer it takes the less likely. Indeed, the odds against any hang fire occurring are millions to one against rather like the odds of any individual winning the lottery. But against those odds, people do win lotteries and hang fires do occur.
“…the airhead in Ottawa, … shoots his mouth off not knowing what will actually come out of it. Seems the handlers and the infatuated are OK with that.”
PM Castreau is so stupid he mistakes Cardinal Butts for someone smart enough to give him good counsel. But they were both stupid enough to recognise that enough Canadians are stupid enough to elect them.
My sister reminded me that the Stanley family has probably been impoverished. They had to hire a defense team and keep them on retainer since this happened in July 2016. This was a relatively “speedy” trial – approx. 18 months since the situation – my sister said I bet this cost them at least $ 250,000.00 in legal fees. Now, they will have to sell the family farm and leave or else be terrorized by those who think they “got away with murder”. It is just like what is happening in South Africa with blacks targeting white farmers and torturing and murdering them.
“farmer in Saskatchewan accidently shot a native man sitting in an SUV”
I would note that that was basically Stanley’s own testimony about what happened. He made no claim to defending himself or his property, just that the gun accidentally went off on its own, and it was just bad luck that the gun was accidentally aimed at the young man’s head at the time.
There are certainly valid questions about how credible that long hang fire claim is, and even if the gun is thought to be unloaded you are still required to be careful about where you point it.
I think even with his own testimony he was somewhat fortunate to not be convicted of manslaughter.
Now that Gerald Stanley has been found not guilty, there is a Go Fund Me account set up for the Stanleys to cover legal costs. I have donated to it, as I’m sure this is not over for him.
They are going to give him the Ian Thompson treatment and bankrupt him and his family. All this over some ridiculous firearm storage and discharge laws.
“even if the gun is thought to be unloaded you are still required to be careful about where you point it.”
You don’t live in Indian country, do you?
I fully expect a politically motivated retrial, in which the verdict will be predetermined. Leftists love them some kangaroo courts.
If ever a time has come for this country to Enshrine Property RIGHTS…it was 8 years ago.
This is what you get – utter Lies, deception and now, Govt officials actually screaming for an Inquiry on the Justice system. You can be sure that if this is indeed held..Changes will be rife with Gender and all sort of other Social Justice BS such that if you are WHITE…???
You’re Guilty. PERIOD.
The US is looking better and better all the time.
Remember around the same time when 4 young aboriginals murdered a Caucasian senior in the course of a robbery? If EVERYTHING must be about race, then surely this murder was also racially motivated.
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/la-ronge-restaurant-owner-dies-in-hospital-after-armed-robbery-1.3372376
Native parenting has always been non-existent even before the arrival of civilization. The young were allowed to run amok and do whatever they wanted until they either died or made it into adulthood by their own efforts. They are indeed living in the ways of their ancestors.
Perfect. I disqualify myself from all jury duty in the future because instead of looking at the evidence presented to me I would feel compelled to vote based on the current Liberal platform for fear of being bullied.
Came into this one late, tried to catch up by Googling Gerald Stanley – got a CBC article (I know, it was all that came up).
Was informed by the CBC that there was a “rifle barrel” found in/near the car.
Later in the article they expanded to inform me that this “rifle barrel” had five rounds in the magazine and one in the chamber.
That’s way too stupid to be just stupidity.
Gave up on that article at that point.
Learned more here in the first dozen comments.
When this happened I anticipated a show trial given who occupied the chair in Ottawa. Then it didn’t happen even though Saskatchewan was highly charged over the events. They knew the facts, everyone spoke of it and the consequences. Maybe Ottawa doesn’t listen to SK…..I know I know Rolf Goodyear diligently reports everything to Ottawa but maybe they don’t listen to him?
Bongobutts and friends underestimated the situation. I now expect them to attempt a full soviet union show trial. The waters though have been muddied by bongo himself and his minister of justice. Defense in any future trial will certainly call the comments by the two ‘tampering’. A fair trial may now no longer be possible.
As usual the rcmp botched the investigation. They too are not qualified for office.
The rifle in question looks to me like a Cooey 60 or Cooey 600 without its stock. Apparently they broke the stock off using the rifle as a club while attempting to break into a vehicle on another farm.
I also can’t figure out the “hangfire” claim,but as you said,we aren’t privy to all the information.
I’ve experienced it many times with cheap .22 ammunition,read: European made from the former Yugoslavia,sometimes two or three duds in a box of fifty. So,I waited the recommended 30 seconds and ejected the garbage round.
I bought five boxes of 6.5 X 55 Swedish mauser ammo a few years back,made in Bosnia, about three in every box of 20 would split at the neck,one or two out of 80 split at the base. About 2 or 3 of the 80 rounds I bought hang fired, treated in the usual manner, 30 second wait then chuck ’em out.
And no, it sure wasn’t the rifle,a good tight Swedish Karl Gustav rifle with a 29 inch barrel, an absolute tack driver.
Every year at our annual Range cleanup,we have a campfire and lots of dud ammo gets swept into the fire, usually .22 or 7.62 X 39 shit quality Russian ammo. Everybody stands about ten feet back as we don’t want to get burned by the sparks from the larger cartridges exploding, quite harmlessly except for the sparks.
My point is, outside the chamber,the loaded cartridge isn’t dangerous unless you use it as a suppository. When they explode in the camp fire,the cartridge is always bulged,and usually splits as well, the bullet doesn’t travel more than a few inches.
I would love to have access to all the info presented at the trial, just to satisfy myself and my own curiosity concerning Press reports that don’t make any sense.
Some interesting background on the past Red Pheasant First Nation chiefs and it’s relation to those in the vehicle.
https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/7wt9ey/after_stanley_verdict_lawyers_say_political/du37b4q/
Ha! Isn’t that so true. And now … in America we have to suffer the absurdity of EVERY Central American “Dreamer” being a potential Rhodes Scholar. smh. Yet, we now learn that only a small fraction of DACA recipients even bothered to sign-up for Obama’s blanket (illegal) amnesty. The illusions created by the leftists is all they’ve got. It’s all part of their political theatre which … sadly … works on the vast unwashed, unthinking, masses.
This is why you handload. In all the rounds I’ve loaded, I’ve yet to have a single misfire.
Well, I suspect he will get to experience the full George Zimmerman for the rest of his life. He and his family should sell out, relocate, change their names. Delete Facebook, Twitter, …
You don’t know anything; property rights WERE enshrined in this country, in Diefenbaker’s charter. Trudeau’s charter ended Diefenbaker’s charter.
I feel so bad for the Stanley family. They never asked for any of this. First their property was invaded by hostile and unpredictable belligerents. Now they live in fear of reprisal, public condemnation and the obvious emotional anguish that must accompany such a violent encounter. If anyone should be considered a victim it is them.
A lot of great comments above.
A lot of noise has been made about the jury being partial. I found an older article that claims there were 750 summons issued for jury duty in the Battleford area which covers a large area of NW Saskatchewan and includes more that a few Indigenous communities. Does anyone know how many summons were issued to people in Indigenous communities? And of those how many showed up? I suspect that when Indigenous persons are issued a jury summons it probably gets ignored. After all they don’t believe in our Justice system in the first place.
Hang fire and misfire are completely different things.
A misfire is simply that. It didn’t fire.
A hang fire is a something different and rare event. The firing pin hits the primer but the shell does not fire. It continues to detonate though in a delay that can take 30 or more seconds it’s a very dangerous process – and exceeding rare.
Indians are excitable about this case. Wait until the jury finds not guilty in the trial of the guy charged with killing Tina Fontaine. The little I have read about the case shows a severe lack of real evidence.
Where ever you live, the habit of always being mindful of where you are pointing your firearm is worth cultivating. Sometimes it can end up being pointed at parts of your own body. Accidents happen. Every time you get in a car you create another opportunity to be involved in a car accident. Every time you handle a gun you create another opportunity to be involved in a gun accident (doesn’t have to be loaded, I dropped an unloaded 26 pound machine gun on my big toe once, certainly didn’t tell the platoon sgt. why I was wincing during drill.)
As I mentioned above, getting this wrong is much easier with a handgun than with a long gun. If you are going to have and use handguns you need more practice than you would with a long gun to build and maintain safe habits.
I am sure that this is the first time a Prime Minister and one of his lackeys has interfered in the justice system. Both of them should step down as they are not qualified for the job.