There’s never a fault line around when you need one…
“This is so absolutely insane,” Dunlop said Thursday. “I don’t know how any government could possibly allow this to happen. Compulsory certification of the carpentry industry will cripple the construction industry in Ontario.”
h/t Vic in Ont
So much for ‘sweat equity’ in your own home.
I can’t begin to list the improvements I’ve made in my own home with my own hands.
This won’t just affect home building, the impact will go all the way down the line to causing layoffs in the Ontario hardware stores.
Watch your local Home Depot and similar stores(I don’t know what they have in Ontario) close their doors and lay off all their staff.
The Ontario College of Trades ratios will also be up for review.
Something to note for those not in the construction industries, that typically only one apprentice is allowed to work under one journeyman, although for some, plumbing for example, the ratio is now 3:1 ? … If Carpentry is brought into the mandatory trades, that is one must be an officially indentured apprentice, they’re going to have to only work under a journeyman regardless of if they want to one day become journeymen themselves.
Thusly those 90% of carpenters currently working in the field without a ticket will be considered not in the trade.
This ought to put a brake onto the condo bubble they’re always going on about. just regulate the problem away.
http://www.obep.ca/pub/Ontario-College-of-Trades-announces-apprenticeship-ratio-reviews.html
Just what the second most broke province (Quebec is number one) needs to create more unemployment and further stifle the economy – more guild socialism.
Yet another example of idiotic credentialism. To the largest degree possible, I ignore this and do all of my own electrical wiring. Don’t have much of an idea about electrical codes but work on the premise that strain relief of electrical connections very important, minimal contact resistance for connections also critical and do all my wiring with to a standard that assumes it might be around 70 years from now. Have never had a problem and the only comments I’ve had from licensed electricians I’ve had to do bits that I won’t because of insurance requirements (like upgrading my input power from a BC Hydro source) is that “You’re not licensed”. Never a negative comment on my work, just a comment that I don’t meet some statist arbitrary regulation.
Everyone does carpentry: some do it well and others are abysmal at it. For constructing concrete forms it takes minimal training to create a temporary wooden structure that is torn down after the concrete has set. I know I’m a lot better at electrical work than carpentry so I hire carpenters when I need them. The main criterion for my hiring a carpenter is not whether they’ve been certified by some statist organization, but rather what other people who have had them do work for them think. If a carpenter won’t tell me who he’s worked for I get suspicious and the people who I’ve hired have had rave reviews from their previous customers and have done stellar work in my house. I could have gotten a lot cheaper carpenters but, again, I consider that framing and other carpentry work is something that should be done right the first time. To me that’s worth paying a premium for. They’ve done the framing and I’ve run the wiring and thus I also look for carpenters who aren’t statists.
This is yet another move for Ontario to shoot itself in the foot. It may be that we’ll have to ask both Ontario and Quebec to separate from Canada together and let the sane provinces remain.
Hmm do I see the registration of skil-saws and hammers on the skyline…
This is another over reach of the sheltered bureaucracy.
It falls under: “the what do we do today to convince somebody we should continue to receive our high bureaucratic salaries”. Also in this category is the “shh! do not talk about the continuing high fringe benefits we bureaucrats receive”. This particularly true in the Federal Bureaucracy and the bought off Ontario bureaucrats by the Liberal Party of Canada/Ontario.
When a person becomes an elected official and/or an appointed official the bureaucratic game plan is “suck up and make these newbies feel important”. Out of this approach comes the ever increasing sense of entitlement.
The result is the elected and appointed officials forget the reason they have the position is to monitor; control; and ensure all policies are audited as proscribed. There must be a moratorium on all new legislation until all existing legislation is examined; questioned; and audited. From this will come realistic support for Canadian Citizens.
If we have functioned as a nation this long; why oh! why! do we need additional legislation? Stop the special interest political buy off with Tax Revenues. This only builds new bureaucratic fiefdoms and allows the suck up to continue.
Do what your number one job is; ensure the clerks, at whatever pay grade they have managed to develop for themselves, do not spend Tax Revenues foolishly.
Any politician who advises me what new legislative changes they are going to initiate will not have my support.
The politician who says they will be personally following the activities of a particular group of clerks to ensure accountability will receive my support regardless of what clerical group is to be followed. Cheers;
This will work precisely as designed.
It will drive skilled trades out of Ontariowe and into other provinces. It will make Ontariowe’s unemployment numbers better.
“I don’t know any Government that would allow this to happen”
Government? Allow? What political system did this guy grow up under?
This will happen in any jurisdiction where an ignorant, lazy, cowardly population sits on its arse and does nothing.
As automation and outsourcing make jobs redundant, more people will seek government work and will do everything in their power to justify their position. In their socialist minds everyone can work for the state, which simply prints more money to keep the illusion of prosperity. It’s not surprising that Ontario is becoming more like the USofA. They’ve got the same sort of socialist fools at the helm.
“If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. If it does not move, subsidize it.”
Ronald Reagan
In other words, the perfect union environment. You can’t and won’t do it yourself by fiat, so we’ll have to do it FOR you. No one can tell me these union pigs don’t have their dirty, stinky, corrupt paws in this one way or another.
Those in the industry that can think for themselves will be pushed out. They will be replaced by unemployed auto/factory workers whose training will require massive subsidies. But these are already trained to be union supporters.
That’s the insanity that is Ontario, it’s on a path of self destruction due entirely to voter stupidity, giving the lying corrupt Liberals majorities and a near majority supported at every turn by their NDP brethren owned by the unions who call the shots.
There’s not one facet of the lives of Ontario residence that is not regulated in some way and there’s a tax on everything we need to survive. The windmills are still going up, the farmlands are taken over by solar panels…look up and they’re on roofs, it’s a flaming disaster.
Ontariowe is the nanny state of North America.
Tim Hudak will be against this, right before he folds up like a wet cardboard box.
Ontario has slumped into one of the worst bureaucratic cesspools in North America (not to mention a class ‘A’ kleptocracy). California and Ontario are soul mates in destroying the golden goose but still spending its eggs in absentia. People there are as thick as stumps about what is happening to the province’s liquidity and wealth engines. They see shiny new office buildings (mostly foreign corporations building local offices to loot what’s left of the credit-based economy) and they think the economy is booming. They never stop to think that the larger government gets the less of that “economy” stays in their hands – less food for the master when his abundant servants eat most of it before it gets to the table. They don’t get that the longer a political party is in power the more corrupt it becomes. Bureaucracy and patronage vacuums up private sector wealth as it expands – bureaucracy costs you a big chunk of your productive output. Ontariowes bureaucracy has almost DOUBLED in the past 8 years, oddly enough this figure is correlational to Ontriowes increased debt load.
It is evident the Onterrible government is becoming predatory after spending itself into massive debt, by pillaging the treasury for its public sector/patronage cronies – now, with Ontario deindutrializing (under excessive taxation/regulation) and a massive debt to service, the Kleptocrats are coming after resident industries which cannot escape by moving to friendlier economic zones – primary among residual wealth engines is the construction industry.
Certification of trades is just the tip of the iceberg of the planned pillage of the industry and its reliant trades. Certification has less to do with assurance of job quality/safety as it does providing the government a tool to control (shakedown) the industry, make it compliant to government demands and make it reliant on government edict. Its a control tool, mostly used abusively to consolidate power over industries the government wants to extort. In the coming decade Ontariowe will not be a good place for trades and skilled labor to spend their earning years, and it certainly will be a hostile environment for retirement.
I don’t know what they have on the Ontario flag but it should be changed to a banana and a red star.
Well, We’d be better off with a wet cardboard box than the wrecking crew/coalition we have now.
Criticizing our only hope who hasn’t been in power is just part of the problem. Conservatives are very good at eating their own at the most crucial times.
Saskatchewan needs carpenters.
Follow the money.
Q Why is the Ontario College Board of Trade (Oxymoron much?) deciding that carpentry needs credentialism?
A The Ontario College Board of Trade charges money each and every year for those credentials. They are just ensuring an ever growing revenue stream to their non-profit public service board.
The more “trade” they manage, the more compensation the executives are entitled too. Those (luxurious paid vacations) trips to winter conferences in the tropics do not pay for themselves. We manage XX,000 tradespeople, of course we need a staff of dozens of minions.
The Liberals have already done the same thing to barbers and human resource workers in the last year or so.
All workers will need to be part of a quantifiable group.
It’s how the left always divides people into sections that can be influenced from above.
The governing Liberal party of Toronto thinks a nail is something to be buffed at a pedicare salon. From the top down they remain utterly clueless about how real, normal Ontarians go about their daily lives. Electricity generated without burning any fuel, agriculture produce marketed through farmers stalls, make believe premiers donning red rubber boots for forays to the countryside, and union control of every facet of existence. Not your grandfather’s Ontario.
Mayor-elect O.Chow will change Mayor to Woyor, because, Yes We Can!
Many carpenters are either self-employed or work for a small business. Just face the facts that bureaucrats and socialist and/or statist politicians hate self-reliant people. This is also why we end up with certified or licensed barbers and beauticians and also the prevalence of wind turbines on farm land. The latter pits neighbour against neighbour; something they also like. A few wealthy farmers or the desperate who receive huge payments from corporate operators are at odds with the rest. Socialists and civil servants hate the independent, which would include farmers and independent trades people.
As for the paper tiger, Hudak, I would suggest that anyone who is opposed to this writes to him and gets as many friends and relatives and non-certified tradesmen to do the same. If he gets enough support on an issue, I may be naive but i believe he will act when possible. I have written to him outlining why I believe the Ontario College of Trades needs to be dismantled or reigned in. I have talked to him and I believe his intentions are good, but he has a large lethargic populous to appeal to. A very daunting task. At least he isn’t like the previous leader, Tory, who is a lib with a blue necktie.
My Liberal MPP is worse than useless. He has promoted graduated drivers licenses (which has only reduced accidents by causing fewer young people to drive), mandatory workers compensation premiums even for the self employed, the greenbelt legislation, and more.
Don’t look for the perfect or even acceptable conservative candidate. A lazy conservative MPP is better than an energetic Lib or NDP; they can be cajoled into proper action some of the time.
I dunno, Mike Holmes makes a damn good living the way things are now…
Wonder if Mike Holmes will “do it right” when it comes to voting? I saw him pictured with Bugs Suzuki if that could be a clue to his political leanings….