65 Replies to “Welcome Back, Khadr”

  1. I don’t know what is going on with Harper and his government these days. They just step into one cow pie after another.
    Maybe they take their conservative base for granted and are trying to appeal to the secular progressives. If so, that would be a big mistake. There may not be any other conservative party for us to vote for (not at the moment) but we can choose not to donate to the CPC war chest and that is what I am doing to protest Harper’s lack of conservative principles.

  2. ahh, this makes much more sense. Liberal mandarins and their Machiavellian machinations, maneuvering to malevolently murder my CPC party.
    f-ers.
    Maybe some names should be named and some careers should be crushed. Just a suggestion, CPC.

  3. Is the picture put forward by commenter Tom of Lilley’s Pad really of Khadr. If it is, it`s pretty damning whomsoeveer the hands belong to. We sure as hell don`t want that ever released to the public of Canada.

  5. Who will boss Harper throw to the wolves (Angry CPC members) on this abandonment of conservative principles? ‘Oh it was all just a big mistake, it was XXXX in the XYZ dept who made the error! They’ve been fired so all is well now.’
    Harper micro-manages his government so he had to know the deal. If not, I think its a little too far into the game for Harper’s troops to be acting like rank amateurs in governing.

  6. This is simply the chickens returning to roost when you dumb down your ideology to pander to the mushy middle known as the Canadian electorate.

  7. All I can say is that if our government ends up mollycoddling this filthy creep like they did with the lying, whining Arar, then it’s time for a Tea Party revolution in Canada as well.
    I will not give the Conservative Party one dime if this ends up becoming Arar Part II.

  9. Can we order air force to down that plane?
    I doubt the Americans will send him on rawing trip from Cuba to Halifax.

  10. Don’t get confused that the legal system actually produces justice. The Khadr ‘dog and pony’ show has been a long running farce from the beginning. This is only the capstone to the edifice called ‘monumental stupidity’.
    Hey just in time for Remembrance Day…
    “War criminals on your streets
    In your cities
    In Canada
    We are not making this up…”
    Keep your bayonet sharp, and your rifle handy.
    Prosit
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  11. Posted on the other site but worth repeating here for the wishy/washy Cino’s here, this appears to be a set up against the Harper government by the unelected bureaucrats/liberals that are trying their damndest to create problems, and they know that they cannot be fired from a public service position without a tremendous payoff. They have nothing to lose since most of them after twenty-five to thirty years in power are approaching retirement anyway.

  13. Soccermom: “next time they call begging for $$”
    I’m thinking about signing up with the CPC just so I can tell them to pound sand when they call.

  14. Antenor: there is some evidence to suggest you are bang on. The big layoff announcement in Charlottetown of 1200 Veterans Affairs Ministry coincident with Iggy’s Maritime visit this summer past is one. This complete lie had to be buried with a full page letter in the local paper from the Minister. Also the vicious attack on the new RCMP Commissioner William Elliot, appointed to clean up the mess in that force, comes to mind.

  15. I’m not sure what to think anymore, but JMD’s view @ 11:03 is worth considering. It is starting to appear more and more all the time that Joe Who’s Red Tory crowd has taken over.

  16. I love how some of the regular posters immediately come out with the old saw: I won’t send them money the next time they call, yadda, yadda, yadda. With friends like that lot, I say you don’t really need the Liberal, NDP, and media enemies.
    Who the hell is behind this? Not the Conservatives, but the damned Liberals who are as entrenched in Ottawa as they are in the MSM.
    So, to make up for the rest of you weakkneed turncoats, I have sent my email off to my MP to tell him KEEP KADHR OUT, and at the same time send his benighted family back to their hell home where they belong.
    And, most importantly, the cheque is in the mail.
    If any of you can remember way back then, we all – children in public and high schools as well adults – pulled together and bought our war stamps and bonds to DEFEAT the damned enemy.
    Now I’m going to the nursing home to see my friend with Alzheimers who has never heard about Khadr.
    And, Kate, if awards are given out for headlines, the one you’re using should win. You’re good.

  17. Gellen, Antenor & Gurney99, seem to have a good grasp on what is really happening. It’s rather disappointing than no other posts thus far appear to be cluing in.

  18. @ Mark R
    I gather I was too subtle in the
    ‘send up’ LIEberal ad reprise?
    Prosit
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
    1st Saint Nicolaas Army
    Army Group “True North”

  19. Perhaps the Conservatives should prepare charges against Khadr’s mother and family members for conscripting little Omie into Al Qaeda….which is a war crime.
    Also, prepare treason charges against Khadr and advise him he will be charged the minute he sets foot on Canadian soil.
    That might make him reconsider if he wants to apply to come back to Canada. With any luck he will choose to go to Pakistan where a drone will locate him as he goes about his business in northern Pakistan.

  20. Gellen is right; I mean, who would we vote for, still it is necessary we make our displeasure known to them, though I think they are already aware of it. That said, I like joeys take on it too.

  21. “@ Mark R
    I gather I was too subtle in the
    ‘send up’ LIEberal ad reprise?
    Prosit
    Hans-Christian Georg Rupprecht ”
    My apologies, I had overlooked your earlier post. I should have also included you as one of the clued-in.

  22. antenor and gellen – I think you’ve hit the mark. The majority in parliament, who are the Liberals, NDP and Bloc, are behind this Love Khadr agenda. Plus the civil service who are primarily Liberals.
    I don’t think that people realize that Canada’s parliamentary system doesn’t give the PM any executive powers – unlike those in the US. And, due to the existence of the Bloc, allowed into existence by the Liberals, which operates as the regular Quebec default party, our governments are almost guaranteed to operate as a minority.
    If this minority government happens to be CPC, then it faces a majority left, made up of the Liberals, NDP and Bloc. And that civil service. And the CBC etc. So, to get anything done, Harper almost has to move by stealth, by having others propose motions (Bernier), by small steps outside of parliament.
    Issues such as Khadr, the Gun Registry (a make-work Liberal project for the Maritimes and nothing to do with security), refugee and immigration reform, Senate reform, equalization reform…all of these are prevented from happening by the left majority, who use these issues deliberately, as political strategies. For votes. Not for the good of Canada.
    The way to help this situation is not to attack Harper and the CPC but to blog, write, go public with your awareness of the left agenda and their tactics. Make it public. Blogs and the Internet are a powerful tool.

  23. Don’t just wonder who to cote for.
    Involvement with an EDA allows a voice in policy-making.
    Fixing the problems from the inside yields better results than handwringing while looking in from the the outside.
    The world is run by those who show up. Don’t like something? SHOW THE F UP to really do something about it.

  24. Yeah, Curious. Policy.
    Remember that policy convention the CPC had not two years ago?
    How are those grassroots initiated, approved and voted on policies working out for you?
    (Cue the Lib/NDP/Media excuse of the day)

  25. Occam’s razor guys!
    This is a media circus!! It’s raining and snowing in Toronto, reporters need a warm place to spend days on end at Guantanamo Bay, average daytime temp 80F.
    Khadr is a POW, nothing else. USA is toning the war down, it needs a patsy to make them look “sympathetic.” Khadr has that cute “pacifist” look. Oh ya! and he’s blind in one eye and he wants to better himself by attending the ACME institute of small engine repairs, saw sharpening and locksmithing.
    I don’t believe that Harper or any PM has much say in USA’s international or foreign policies! But it looks good on paper, don’t it????

  26. All of you who are planning to sit on your vote or to stop contributing to the CPC are useful idiots for the lefty scum. The Lieberal bureaucrats and swivel serpents have been sabotaging the Harper government since it came to power and you all fall for it, every time. Grow up and extend your thinking beyond what the MSM wants you to think.

  28. I’m not entirely sure we even have a choice. Can we refuse entry to a citizen? Where does he go that a country will say they want him? bambam went behind Britain’s back when he shipped Gitmo partiers to their jurisdiction but they weren’t born there.

  29. It shall be interesting to see if the snivel service via foreign affairs over stepped it’s bounds, foreign affairs needs a good house cleaning starting with C.

  30. gellen, I know, I know, but it is so frustrating when the deck appears to be constantly stacked in favour of the Marxist. Besides, I still think the Joe’s crowd is doing their bit also.

  31. Speedy says “I’m not entirely sure we even have a choice. Can we refuse entry to a citizen? Where does he go that a country will say they want him?”
    Well, we can make his life so miserable here in Canada with charges of treason and charges against his family for conscripting him into Al Qaeda that he won’t want to come back to Canada.

  32. Harper’s strategy since day one has been to avoid at all costs any issue that stirs up the former liberal base; unless it’s to concoct some phony issue to distract from other things. There is nothing, absolutely not one conservative principle that Harper will not walk away from in order to keep the former liberal base quiet. I heard it said here a number of times that Obama has a shelf-life for everything … funny that, since our PM is even worse.
    He occasionally tosses the base a bone, to keep it passive; like walking out on Iran at the UN … but it’s just a cynical game.
    How is it working in the polls I wonder? Even a dope like Iggy is holding his own now.
    Compare Harper’s sleaze game to that of Rob Ford … treat voters like Adults, and not children to be lied to or tricked, and you get rewarded. Even Mad Max has more gravitas now, simply because he speaks openly and honestly.
    Time for a big flush of the CPC toilet to purge it of the hacks … because hacks indistinguishable from the LPC and NDP and BLOC are what they have become.

  34. *
    “speedy asks… Can we refuse entry to a citizen?”
    nope… but what about a plan b?
    khadr admitted to terrorist action against nato forces.
    two words… high… treason.
    *

  35. Heh, I see the far-right conservative supporters of a liberal government have showed up in force here again. Cjunk, your comparison is invalid. Harper has had to survive four years of minority government in which all the opposition parties are left of centre. The amount of legislation he has managed to get through is quite remarkable given the circumstances. The only comparable minority government with such a legislative record was that of Lester Pearson in the 1960s, and he didn’t have to contend with the BQ.
    Ford however has yet to take office in a city council dominated by left-of-centre councilors. It will be interesting to see how much of his program he will be able to move through such a body without the sort of necessary compromises that every elected official must undertake.
    Neo, don’t be foolish. He may be a greasy little brainwashed murderer, but ranting on about high treason is simply providing ammunition for socialists to demonstrate what idiots conservatives are.
    As to the sentencing agreement, of course it was inked by bureaucrats on both sides of the border. Too many of you have so little understanding of how little actual control any minister has over a department. Ministers are there for typically two years at most, but the bureaucrats are there for a career lifetime. Given the workload ministers face, they can at most undertake one serious issue during their time at the ministry. With dozens of separate departments and thousands of branches and tens of thousands of employees, routine business such as repatriations are handled by the department. The minister is then given the agreement to sign off on and advised of the serious adverse consequences if it’s refused.
    Have none of you ever watched Yes Minister? Do none of you understand that the show was only slightly exaggerated from the truth? Quick, quick, who can name the number two official in the federal government? And no it’s not an elected official.

  36. Cjunk: “Time for a big flush of the CPC toilet to purge it of the hacks … because hacks indistinguishable from the LPC and NDP and BLOC are what they have become.”
    Conservatives being well-known for their commitment to the ethos of “personal responsibility,” I’m glad to see that some of you are holding PM Harper, Minister Cannon, and other CPC officials to theirs.
    As for the rest of you…tsk, tsk!
    And on a completely unrelated topic, what’s up with SK potash?

  37. cjunk – getting elected is one act; getting legislation through is quite another act. Therefore, your one word comparison is invalid.
    As cgh has pointed out, it will not be easy for Ford to get his legislation through with a Council so heavily left. BUT, there are enough non-progressives in the Council that he won’t have as difficult a time as Harper has had.
    Think. Think. To get a bill through into law requires a vote. If the majority in parliament are progressives, made up of the Bloc, Liberals and NDP – then, do the math. Think.
    cjunk- provide examples of your ‘conservative principles’ that Harper has walked away from. I’m aware, for example, that the Francophone International Club, whatever its name, was going to declare itself against Israel. Harper refused to go along with it and stopped the motion.
    He’s advocated senate reform, getting rid of the gun registry, getting rid of equalization, decentralization etc…but with a majority vote against him – kindly tell us what you expect him to do. Please advise us.
    The way he seems to operate, given this reality, is to have others, not in parliament, open up the issues. The HRCs have been opened up by Levant and others. Max Bernier is opening up talk on immigration and equalization. Indeed, there’s a new non-govt council on immigration, made up of people like Salim Mansur and Gilles Paquet, both conservative minds, both highly knowledgeable.
    charles macdonald – your succinct conclusion is without evidence. As such, it remains your private opinion..arrived at, I presume, by your a priori emotions rather than fact.
    lance – please explain why the existence of a majority in parliament, made up of the Bloc, Liberals, NDP is viewed by you as ‘an excuse’. I go by reality; if a bill is put forth in parliament and the majority votes against it..well. You obviously think that there are other ways to get laws in place. Please tell us. That policy convention wanted the HRC section 13 abolished, it wanted to get rid of the Gun Registry, and an elected Senate. All of these are dear to the heart of the progressives – and thus, bills to deal with them, are impossible to get passed.

  38. Well said, cjunk. There really are no more conservatives left in Canada, especially in the so-called “Conservative” Party of Canada.
    I do have to nitpic on one point.
    “Compare Harper’s sleaze game to that of Rob Ford … treat voters like Adults, and not children to be lied to or tricked, and you get rewarded.”
    Ford won and rightly so. He won because Torontonians were pissed off with waste and waste was something he has been ranting about for years. So he was genuine and honest about that. He ran a great and tightly focused textbook campaign.
    But one thing he was not was honest. He lies all of the time, possibly even more than Harper (I know, hard to believe). He lied about his drug charge. He lied about the reason he lied about the drug charge. He lied about the “failure to take a breathalyzer” charge (it was a drunk driving charge). After being caught promising to score some illegal drugs for someone he knew and who he spent lots of time with, he lied about being worried for the safety of his family (his campaign manager wrote the speech and told Ford to read it). He lied about being kicked out of Leafs game for being a drunken lout.
    Torontonians didn’t care because they liked Slitherman even less and were pissed off with the waste. But let’s ourselves be as honest as we want our politicians to be or else they learn they can get away with it, especially brazen lies. Just look at Harper.

  40. “provide examples of your ‘conservative principles’ that Harper has walked away from. I’m aware, for example, that the Francophone International Club, whatever its name, was going to declare itself against Israel. Harper refused to go along with it and stopped the motion.”
    – appointing an unelected senator on his very first day in office
    – appointing an unelected senator right into cabinet where he is not accountable to Parliament on his very first day in office
    – calling an election on a whim for political advantage instead of in accordance with his own fixed election date law
    – holding confidence votes on everything instead of free votes on all but budgets
    – record breaking spending year after year even before the recession
    – deficit spending
    – stimulus spending and Keynsian economics once it started
    – bragging that his stimulus spending saved the economy and was an absolute good thing, and not even just a necessary evil, thereby entrenching forever that government stimulus is good for the economy
    – corporate welfare
    – expansion of regional development agencies
    – increase in the number of full time employees of the federal government to record levels
    – increase in the number of employees at CHRC to record levels
    – increase in the budget of the CHRC to record levels
    – 30% increase in the PMO budget while pretending to be bringing in austerity
    – record breaking spending on polling (also a broken promise)
    – complete disregard for accountability and access to information, an even worse record than Chretien
    – passing the buck whenever possible instead of taking responsibility for his own actions (latest eg: Potash and the UN)
    – taxing income trusts
    – increasing income taxes
    – airport tax
    – promise to bring in carbon trading
    There are not enough hours in the day for me to list all of the abandonment of conservative principles from this “Conservative” PM. All the pathetic excuse making just encourages him to abandon even more conservative principles.
    And most of those you will see, like increasing the size of the PMO budget by 30% and appointing Fortier to the senate, had absolutely nothing to do with being in a minority government. Nothing at all.
    Bernier doesn’t speak for the PM. He’s gone rogue and, not being in cabinet and holding a safe seat, there is nothing Harper can do about it. It is not a coincidence that he started speaking up as soon as he was overlooked in the last cabinet shuffle.
    I don’t know if you are naive, dumb, so full of kool-aid your brain has drowned or all of the foregoing.
    This government will not get better by patting it on the back and saying “great job” every time another core principle gets thrown into the cesspool of petty partisan gain.

  41. cgh: “As to the sentencing agreement, of course it was inked by bureaucrats on both sides of the border. Too many of you have so little understanding of how little actual control any minister has over a department.”
    Considering that Clinton herself has directly raised the Khadr repatriation question with Cannon, there is basically zero chance that the DFAIT Minister’s Office wasn’t at least aware of the contents of diplomatic note before it was sent out by their Legal Adviser.
    Obviously, Cannon or Harper didn’t personally dictate the note to some DFAIT staffer, but it’s naive to claim that this was just some “routine repatriation business” in which the Minister’s only involvement was his pro forma sign-off.

  42. Davenport:
    Further to your point, given the intense public attention to this matter, given the close following of this matter by Harper and Cannon, given the number of times they have commented on this matter, it is utterly beyond ridiculous to pass the buck and blame unknown/unnamed bureaucrats for this.
    Harper knew. Cannon knew. Cannon lied. Harper hasn’t lied, yet, but instead avoids showing any kind of leadership and remains weakly silent.
    Khadr is an admitted terrorist. He should rot in jail if that’s the worst we can do to him.
    But he has also been denied a fundamental human right of due process. So he can appear tough on terror and get his wedge issue, Harper has abandoned a fundamental conservative value.

  43. any conservative – you are cherry picking situations out of context and furthermore, these are your opinions, unsubstantiated with analysis.
    First, with Ford, you are decontextualizing the situations. Oh – and how do you know his campaign manager ‘told Ford to read it’.
    Second, you are doing the same with Harper. To delare that Harper appointed an unelected Senator..well, that’s because, legally, senators are not elected but appointed – and none of them are vetted by or accountable to parliament. That’s the law. Therefore, your whine about his doing so ignores reality.
    I disagree that he called an election on a whim. There were succinct reasons for his doing so.
    He does not hold confidence votes on ‘everything’ but he does indeed hold them, challenging the progressives who refuse to pass any and all conservative legislation. So, Harper calls them to account by doing this. Would you prefer that the progressives totally control legislation by refusing pass any conservative bills?
    Absolutely not – he’s not a Keysnian. And no, he does not brag that the stimulus saved the economy. Oh – are you aware how the progressives insisted that such a bill be set up and passed?
    Corporate welfare – nonsense.
    Regional offices – yes, and that’s all to the good; he is decentralizing tasks to enable local adaptations. Set up six OSME (Office of small and medium enterprise) regional offices to help smaller companies access federal contracts.
    The CHRC is not under his authority.
    What an ignorant statement about income trusts. Aren’t you aware that key economists and bankers said he was absolutely correct to do this – because so many institutions were getting into ‘that business’ that it was depriving the govt of valid revenue.
    He reduced income, capital and corporate taxes. Didn’t increase them. Don’t you know the facts? Corporate tax reduced from 22.12 to 15% by 2012; reuction of small business income tax rate from 12 to 11%. Increase in capital gains exemption for small business from $500,000 to 750,000. Personal income tax reduced to 15% lowest level.
    Tax Free Savings Account, reduction of GST, increase of individual deductible, increase in spousal deduction, new child tax credit, children’s fitness tax credit…on and on.
    Don’t try the personal insults. Instead, stick to the issues and support your opinions with facts.

  44. atacl says “Khadr is an admitted terrorist. He should rot in jail if that’s the worst we can do to him. But he has also been denied a fundamental human right of due process.”
    See, this is where the rest of us fall down laughing.
    Having been captured as an enemy combatant, non uniformed, on a battlefield, particularly after being seen killing a medic on said battlefield, Mr. Khadr has had a great deal more due process than any other such prisoner in military history.
    You know atacl, in -actual- wars where some bunch of metrosexual socialists aren’t setting the ROE based on questionnaires in Cosmo magazine, soldiers just shoot non-uniformed enemy combatants aka terrorists. Bang. No muss, no fuss.

  45. ET: The single most important thing for a minority government to do in the Canadian system is to get a majority. Harper failed to do so against the worst leader the LPC ever fielded … and he failed to do so going into a recession which should’ve sent Canadians flooding into the arms of the CPC. All your talk about minority government realities is yesterday’s excuse … because we now know that the minority reality is the fault of the CPC PMO. Ford proved beyond a doubt that Canada is NOT as leftwing as so many Harper apologists have claimed.
    So, you can go on and on and on about Harper being dealt a tough hand with a minority, to which I say, he is playing the hand he dealt himself. In our system, any leader who fails on his second attempt to get a majority MUST go … to hold onto a loser, is to lose any possibility for the momentum needed to get a majority.
    Barring some unforeseen massive mistake on the LPC part, there will never be a majority with Harper. He must go.

  46. So sad to see so-called “conservatives” so self-delusional over basic facts. Sad sad sad. And it makes me angry. The excuse after excuse after excuse make me angry. No sure which makes me angrier: making stuff up to (like he has no say on the budget of the CHRC), being blind to facts (like he didn’t increase income taxes in his first month in office – I still don’t have my $4000 back lady), or making weak excuses for the inexcusable (everything else).
    As for how do I know his campaign manager ‘told Ford to read it’ – Kouvalis, his campaign manager, has said it. To the Globe. To Maclean’s. On the radio. Don’t understand why Ford would put such an ego in as his Chief of Staff, especially when Kouvalis has basically gone public to say Ford won not because of Ford but because of Kouvalis.

  47. Why was there ever a deal to begin with?
    Omar Khadr received a forty year sentence which would have been somewhat sufficient. Now, it is whittled down to a year and a few months. I am pointing a finger at everyone who could have put this monster in prison where he belongs but did not.

  48. “Due Process”……sounds a bit like the argument about the Canadian Charter of Rights and that is because it is written, it is the “Word”, always has been the “Word” and will be the “Word” forevermore.
    Memo to Davenport and others…..there is more than one “due process” in the world. There are many. And when you fiddle with the military, you are into a different “due process” than you are if you are caught scribbling grafitti.
    Also, Canada’s justice system “due process” is not the gold standard of the entire world. Canadians are subject to the “due process” wherever in the world they happen to be. Canadians better understand that.

  49. Phantom:
    I’m not going spend a lot of time on the due process discussion. It’s all been said and done. To me it is like free speech: I may hate what the neo-nazi says but I will defend his right to say it.
    But you say he’s had tons of due process. Once they chose not to shoot him on the spot, they were responsible for him and ensuring he got due process. You say he got tons of it. Where? He’s been in jail without a court hearing for what? almost a decade? The US refused to actually make a decision about whether he was a prisoner of war – which would mean a military trial – or a civilian – which would mean a civilian trial – but instead made up a new process altogether and even then didn’t let him have his day in court.
    He certainly added to his woes (like firing his own lawyers for delay, etc.) which is why I don’t want to spend much time on this. But Harper walked away from it altogether, abdicated any responsibility even when our courts said he had to intervene, somehow.

  50. So, if Harper was not made aware of the decision, does that mean he can over-rule his bureaucrat and let the child soldier rot in Guantamano?

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