44 Replies to ““Wild Rose Unnerves Harper””

  1. I have a subscription to NP and there is only one column I refuse to read any more. Its that ‘I HATE STEVEN HARPER’ blowhard Don Martin. He must have been one of those Parlimentry Press Gallery twits that after years of being spoon fed by the lieberals and then shut out by the Concervatives have never given Steven Harper a fair or balanced break.

  2. From the article:
    ‘Crowfoot MP Kevin Sorenson: “Nothing to say.”‘
    Gah. If Kevin Sorenson has the nerve to stump into my store looking to shake my hand like he did during the last election, he’s going to get an ear full.
    I’m pissed off about Ezra Levant and Stephen Boisson being terrorized by a renegade government department. I’m pissed off about the muzzling of Lindsey Blackett over speaking out about this. I’m pissed off at the lacklustre job his government has done managing Alberta’s budget.
    I may not be able to tar and feather Kevin Sorenson’s sorry ass the next time I see him, but I’m pretty sure that I can come up with peanut butter and some saltines on short notice. The same goes for that useless twat, Jack Hayden, who is allegedly my MLA.
    Wild Rose, here I come.

  3. any more fiscal conservatism from the likes of Stephane Stelmach or Brian Harper, we’ll be another few hundred billion in debt and still heading towards a collapse in wage earners, and a boom in retirees.
    Thanks Prog Cons.

  4. It wouldn’t look good on the CPC to be seen endorsing the WRAP if the WRAP gains government and then builds the firewall that PMSH suggested Alberta build back in the 20th century.

  5. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,Martin got his shorts in a knot when it became clear that the PM preferred to go home after a long day on the hill,as opposed to sucking up to the beer swilling press and then picking up the tab,all at the tax payers expense.Martin actually used to be worth reading,no longer though, since his lips were removed from the spigot.

  6. So far I’ve not heard of a platform for the WRA party. I think I’ll wait until they come out with one before jumping on the bandwagon!.

  7. Once Harper gets a Stelmach-like majority, he’ll be able to more effectively lead Canada out of Trudeaupia.
    Once people figure out the Wild Rose is being funded by Big Oil, then they will understand why big money is unhappy they do not have a Ralph Klein-like sockpuppet to look after their interests.
    Ted Morton and Jim Dinning represented Big Oil in the leadership race and fell short.
    I guess Big Oil figures they should take all the profits from the oil patch and let everybody else pay for the roads, hospitals and schools that are necessary. Since the influx of population into Alberta is a direct result of oil exploration …
    On the other hand, there is a valid argument to be made that Alberta does not have a revenue problem, it does have a spending problem.
    Stelmach has been slow on the draw in slashing the bureaucracy. He ignores that at his own peril.
    Like anything else, to discover the Wild Rose agenda, just follow the money.

  9. I believe PMSH’s gag order is about image.
    The federal Conservatives have worked very hard to eliminate social conservatism (particularly the religious type) off their policy radar, and even harder to eliminate the perception in the media of the Conservatives being a social conservative group. It’s my understanding that there is a large group of social conservatives in the WRP, and that party is currently negotiating internally how social conservatism affects their policy.
    So in a nutshell, support from any Conservative MP’s for the WRP can and will be misconstrued as proof of the “hidden social conservative agenda” of the Conservatives in the next election.
    Seems pretty straight forward to me.

  10. > So far I’ve not heard of a platform for
    > the WRA party.
    That’s funny, I’ve not heard of any platform from the Cons, either. Let’s face it — Ed Stelmach makes Iggy positively look like a visionary. Being invisible is NOT a platform.

  12. The CPC is scared of the WRA for good reason. We don’t like liberals masquerading as conservatives in the west.

  13. Anyone ever think that the Mp’s who declined comment just want to stay out of provincial politics because they have enough on their plate
    Sometimes, scribblers make up stories and points of view because they have a low creativity day. Something like a bad hair day.
    It would be better if Martin just took a day off when he has nothing legitimate to write about.
    The discussion about the Wild Rose Party remains for another day. Hopefully, in a more thoughtful opinion column.

  15. Harper has always kept a distance in Provincial politics so what’s the fuss?
    Besides the PC party is as left as the Liberals, hell Ralph was a Liberal, he changed his suit not his politics when he ran for PC leadership, Just look at the massive civil service he created.
    Alberta Conservatism was a short lived smoke screen which allowed Ralphy to talk the talk but not walk the walk and now it’s in the open under the dolt Stelmach.

  17. For some reason, I’m having trouble getting the PDF of the platform downloaded. But I am very curious to see what their environmental platform is. If they say in there, the science IS NOT SETTLED and we should slow down a bit, then I’d vote for this lady for PM.
    Besides all the spending, the number one beef I have against the CPC is how quickly they bought into the fraud that is global warming.
    I cringe every time I hear them talk about it.

  18. while Prentice is talking about it, there is still time. When he stops, that’s when the PC green shift will kick in – and you start paying.

  19. Harper’s increamentalism seems like the calm before the storm of wildly swinging public moods. I have only one word to the supporters of CPC: oblivion, to the left: irrelevance.
    the Crisis that has already begun. They are distracted by their latest text message, shopping at the mall, worried about the next credit card bill, engrossed by the adventures of balloon boy, and trusting that their elected officials know what is best for them. What will blind side them is the depth and ferocity of the next stage in the Crisis. They will need to choose sides when the time comes. I will choose the side of truth, freedom, liberty, ………….The fools and fanatics who run this country are certain. I am not certain of the final outcome
    link

  20. I agree with the Post by: ‘hardboiled’. When he stops, that’s when the PC green shift will kick in – and you start paying.
    and thanks for ‘WRAP’ link ‘hardboiled’. I will be reading it later.

  21. the bear 12:10, exactly. Had enough of the tweedle dum, tweedle de and tweedle do choices.
    Indiana is right. Lets not give the Alberta haters any fodder.
    Haven’t read Don Martin for years. He must be on the Liberal payroll.

  22. The Alberta PC’s have shifted to far left on far to many of the topics.
    A shift back to the right will happen in Alberta either with the PC’s or without them. Over the decades its been easier to buy a PC membership and influence from within then support the ineffective liberals.
    If Ed is still the leader come election time the PC’s wont be getting my vote for the first time in my voting life. I gave the guy a chance last time becuase thee was no real alternative.
    We are going on 3 years with steady Eddy and the province is worse off thanks to his leadership.

  24. Ed’s got three things going agin him;
    he’s a old white guy
    of _______ immigrant acenstry
    and lives on a farm (yeah right)
    Danielle Smith is;
    younger
    smarter
    hotter
    that’s the US magazine summary!

  25. The CPC is scared of the WRA for good reason. We don’t like liberals masquerading as conservatives in the west.
    End quote:—————-
    We don’t like Diet Cons here in the East either, we vote Conservative as a protest vote against the Liberals not in support of Harper and his merry band of liberals.

  26. Kate, I would imagine that you are referring to Harper’s plausible fears of a vote-splitting federal alternative. I don’t see this happening in the next two or three years.
    While I am not Harper’s biggest fan by any means, I sense that almost all dissident conservatives are sobered by the comparison between the “diet Cons” (or Liberal-lite) form of the CPC under Harper, and the Chretien-ghost-of-Trudeau redux likely to greet us after a Liberal win brought on by vote-splitting (because nothing else short of a national suicide movement would do that).
    And on the three most critical issues to most dissident conservatives (economy, climate change, free speech) it is pretty easy to imagine Ignatieff or any future Liberal leader doing a whole lot more damage than Harper is doing. In fact, many “slight dissidents” out there are probably easily able to talk themselves into seeing signs of fiscal conservatism, climate realism, and free speech concern, if they look through the entrails long enough.
    I am not that skilled an entrail-observer but I do pick out subtle hints on the climate realism front that the go-slow-and-play-along approach is somewhat similar to the choice you or I might make if held hostage by madmen with guns (which is about how political correctness actually works in modern times).
    Actually, Harper’s Achilles heel might turn out to be majority government. Once a larger, more confident caucus was assembled and knew they had five years of freedom from intense media scrutiny, the real conservative impulses might start to bubble up to the surface. This may explain why the CPC has in several recent elections found some way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in the week before voting day.
    So I would predict perhaps a split in the federal conservative movement would only come after three years or so, at the moment, many dissidents are hanging in there (or at least keeping their counsel) on some sort of faint hope foundation.

  27. “So I would predict perhaps a split in the federal conservative movement would only come after three years or so, at the moment, many dissidents are hanging in there (or at least keeping their counsel) on some sort of faint hope foundation.”
    Like that from set you free at 11:48? Well, I no longer believe we will see any significant change once there is a majority. Harper is playing for a long term shift in Canadian politics, to make the CPC the “Natural Governing Party”. His goal is not to get a single majority and then get all ideological on us. He’s going for 20 years of CPC power, whether with him at the helm or someone else.
    However, I have to agree with Peter O’Donnell. Though sorely disappointed in what has happened to the CPC in the last year, the thought of Liberals back in power is, for now, enough to frighten me back to the CPC vote, even if I am no longer a party member.
    Right now the CPC remains the obvious lesser of two evils, but there may come a point when this will change.
    Wouldn’t it be ironic if Harper was the person who both unified the right, and then permitted it to divide again because of excessive drift to the left?

  28. It least the Wildrose Alliance isn’t advocating for Michael Ignatieff like that PC’s are.
    “An internal memo prepared for Alberta Tory MLAs reveals a growing schism between the federal and provincial Conservatives on a host of important files, including the oilsands, climate change negotiations and employment insurance.
    The talking points, prepared by the provincial Conservative government’s caucus office, argues that federal Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff is doing more to champion the lucrative oilsands than Prime Minister Stephen Harper.”

  30. An internal memo prepared for Alberta Tory MLAs reveals a growing schism between the federal and provincial Conservatives on a host of important files, including the oilsands, climate change negotiations and employment insurance.
    And that simply proves what we already know, Ed Stelmach is an idiot.

  31. “Right now the CPC remains the obvious lesser of two evils”
    Given Prentice’s impending Green Shift Tax, The continued existence of the HRC’s, the lockdown of the Access to Information Act, and the largest deficits and addition to debt in the history of the nation (with no end btw), I think one thing is pretty clear.
    The two parties you describe are the same evil.

  32. Can anyone point me to where the PM is said to have told his MP’s not to speak on this matter? Or possibly Mr. Martin has fabricated the gag order to explain why reasonable people won’t give him the time of day?

  33. The two parties you describe are the same evil.
    ~hardboiled
    Maybe, maybe not.
    But, if so, I’ll take the evil geniuses over the evil idiots any day and the Liberals of today are evil idiots.

  34. Wait and see?? They wish the WAP would disappear. Can’t have some upstart provincial right-wing hick party from Alberta, of all places, upset the Big Government plans of the New Con Party, would we now? Their ideas might be catching.
    Right in Mr ‘Arpeur’s “conservative” back yard, too. A message to those “conservatives” who speak out of both sides of their “liberal” mouths, non?
    Trust me, the Cons will use this new party and any of it’s platform to continue the demonization of Alberrrrda in the eyes of the ROC. They learned from da best, eh? They are federalists, now.
    Ditch the HRC’s, free speech and property rights, return democracy to Alberta, all anti-liberal ideas, all anathema to the New Con Party Big Government plans for this country. From what I’ve heard from DS’s mouth, she isn’t big on the current or previous federal governments of the two mainstream Parties. She doesn’t come right out and say it, but it was discussed at the leadership debate I attended.
    This is the birth of the federal Reform Party v 2.0. Plans are to run our own APP vs CPP, our own police force and not the federal RCMP, and do just about everything that is currently ascribed to in La Belle Province under the Constitution, by devolving powers to the provinces as they were originally laid out, in 1867.
    In effect, Danielle Smith and the WAP is sticking a sharp stick into the federal government’s eye, not just Special Ed’s.

  35. I disagree with part of his concluding description of Smith and Stelmach.
    “She: Colourful, cosmopolitan and camera-friendly.”
    I would add plenty of street smarts to that.
    “He: Rural, hesitant with plenty of aw-shucks, old-school honesty.”
    I would change to Rural, aw-shit why did they ask that, old school crooked as a dogs back leg acts more like a federal liberal.
    The only chance Alberta has to maintain any semblance of a healthy oil industry is if he gets tossed when the Conservatives have their leadership review.

  36. ‘Can anyone point me to where the PM is said to have told his MP’s not to speak on this matter? Or possibly Mr. Martin has fabricated the gag order to explain why reasonable people won’t give him the time of day’?
    My thoughts too, wallyj. Whiny, weak, mealy mouthed Martin has nothing to say to me. I never, ever believe anything the press gang in Ottawa say or write about.
    I don’t like the ‘climate changy’ rhetoric either, Jacksnewwatch has Lord Monckton on his sidebar – worth a listen – the 0 was the worst possible nightmare choice for USA and Canada because we both have to live with that foul stinking Marxist manure pit stench that follows the new guy and his flukies everywhere.

  37. Hardheaded:
    I’m going to say this very slowly.. the PC’s… do..not..have..a..majority. If Harper had tried to govern the way you suggest in 2006, he would never have survived a single confidence vote, and the Tories would have been creamed in the subsequent election.
    If, after the financial meltdown on Wall Street, Harper had done nothing, as you suggest, there would have been a confidence vote that he would have lost, and the Tories would have been slaughtered in the ensuing election.
    Oh, and big f***ing deal that the budget deficit in nominal terms is a record. As a % of GDP (3.7%), which is what intelligent people use to keep score, it’s nowhere near what we saw in Canada before, and nowhere near where Britain (13%), the US (10%), France (5.5%), Spain (6.2%) and little countries like Ireland (11%) are right f***ing now.
    Take a good look in the mirror, my boy. As a political leader, you’d make Stephane Dion look like a veritable genius, and Iggy like a towering giant. Now go study the phrase “the art of the possible”, and don’t come back until you understand it.

  38. KevinB, this lack of a CPC majority is bugging all of us on the right as Harper et al have not been able to implement much of what they hoped for. So don’t lets argue, but hope and work toward a majority and then we will see what happens or if the “progressives” have taken over again.
    Oh, by the way, I know that you are trying to make a point to hardboiled, but don’t yell as I had to disconnect the hearing aids from my anti-tank guns damaged ears.

  39. The rise of the WAP (it’s spelled “Wildrose”, one word) is seen as a *very* good thing to federal conservatives in West, MPs and activists alike. Why? It sends a clear message to people in the PMO, and the Reds in Caucus, that the base of strength in the party *must* be respected, because there is a point at which we stop choosing the lesser evil. It draws a line in the sand for the squishy cons to see, a line that they cross at their peril.

  40. Harper is a joke to anyone who really believes in conservatism so he should be scared of an upstart libertarian party for the very same reason Stelmach is. It’s a threat from the right.
    Liberal/Tory … same old story. Don’t believe me? Have a look at American politics. See any difference between big gov’t Dems or Reps?
    All big government should concern those of conservative stripe.

  41. Kate, I wish we had the Wildrose Alliance party here in Saskatchewan! I agree with everything that Danielle Smith has said so far. Albertans are so lucky!

  42. Harper is a joke to anyone who really believes in conservatism…
    ~Aizlynne
    I believe in conservatism and Prime Minister Stephen Harper is no joke to me.
    To put the purity of ideals before the conservation of power would be to guarantee a role for the CPC as a permanent “also ran” party like the NDP.
    In addition, if PMSH were to walk the walk and talk the talk of an ideologically pure conservative today, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Obama regime treated Canada like they treat Honduras and then you would really see Canada in economic crisis.

  43. Set you free:
    If you have any questions about my posts, I would welcome them.
    _____________________________
    No special point – I merely felt that the confidence that Mr. Harper is biding his time and will implement a “real” conservative program once he has a majority, is misplaced.
    I used to believe it. I don’t any more. I think the CPC is getting comfortable in the seats of power, is playing the game the way the Liberals used to play it, and will eventually go down the way every government does – not on principle, but death by a thousand cuts, and the promise of “something new and better” from the other side.

  44. As one of those original ‘redneck’ Reformers I have a soft spot for the WRA. Like any power constituency if you can’t beat them in the polls then you join and takeover from within. In my opinion that is what has happened with the Alberta PCs to a degree.
    When Preston Manning advocated for going national with the Reform Party there was a membership vote to do so which he won. Some of us thought the Party should stay in the West and run provincially. Reform provincial governments in AB, BC, and Sask would have given the West a negociating position within Canada that would have gained more for us than a struggling CP party trying to convince Easterners to give up their economic and political dominance of the country.
    What is the philosophical basis for the CP Party? I no longer serve on our CP riding assoc board because it became clear that developing positions was not welcome. So when you talk about AB MPs dodging comment about the WRA I’m not surprised at all. They have no accountability other than the PMO and isn’t that why we started Reform in the first place? The talking heads have the ‘balls’ to question why young people don’t get involved!

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