Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
LA Times;
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is preparing legislation that would permanently put hundreds of thousands of acres of desert land off limits to energy projects. The territory would be designated California’s newest national monument.
With two weeks left in the legislative session, California Democrats are hustling to fulfill a commitment they made to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to pass a law to require all utilities to get a third of their power from “green” sources by 2020. […] . The main argument now is over how much of the new green power must be generated within California’s borders.
h/t Tim
Why is this surprising?
This happens in North America everyday as the Economic Needs of our Countries get pushed aside by environmental zealots.
Business as usual.
BTW … I do support Renewable Energy if it is not subsidized via PTC and can actually provide meaningful contributions, it can be backed by Government Guarantees for financing and special land use provisions.
Mandating it and then limiting its application. Busienss as usual as I said.
Thank God the Gubernator’s not a Democrat, at least, (although hell, he’s married to a Kennedy).
I would suggest all of it should be produced within the borders of the looney state….. and brown out Hollywood first
the californicate Dems are deep into PPP protocol.
Piss Poor Planning.
The race is on to see what wrecks California faster: government bankruptcy or a civil uprising.
Given the fires last week, I’d say southern Cal dwellers are getting a mite testy. Couple dozen blackouts due to idiot wind machines melting things might tip them over the edge.
OTOH, its hard to build a windmill when the contractors won’t take your checks, but demand cash. Or, the way the US dollar is going, gold.
Heh, there’s a thought eh? Demanding payment in gold before you stick a shovel in the ground. We could live to see that.
One foot on the brake, one foot on the gas, and that burning smell is the California economy going up in smoke.
I drove by a massive wind farm in Cal., about 1 in 10 were actually turning. The rest just stood there sucking up money. Who elects these people and what are the alternatives? The other thing I noticed is traveller cheques (Visa) take three people and 5 minutes to accept. I never plan on going back.
Do any of the huge volumes of recreational pharma smuggled in from Mexico transit through the state and go elsewhere? It seems unlikely.
Been seeing an awful lot of California lic. plates coming out of various neighborhoods here lately. Has the exodus begun???
“I would suggest all of it should be produced within the borders of the looney state….. and brown out Hollywood first
Posted by: cal2 at September 8, 2009 3:33 PM ”
Nah, cal2. I suggest produce it anywhere BUT in Calif*&cked, and charge them 10 bucks a Kwh for it.The sooner we can bankrupt them totally,the better. Besides,the Chicoms would probably like to buy it cheap at the bankruptcy sale!!!
Somewhat related:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/us-firm-signs-to-build-worlds-largest-solar-field/article1279521/
First Solar Inc. (FSLR-Q134.4112.9410.65%) said Tuesday it has received initial approval from the Chinese government to build what may become the largest solar field in the world.
First Solar, which makes more solar cells than any other company, said it struck a tentative 10-year deal to build in China’s vast desert north of the Great Wall. The project would eventually blanket 25 square miles of Inner Mongolia — slightly larger than the size of Manhattan — with a sea of black, light-absorbing glass.
Hmm.. if California is both going broke, and running out of power, what’s the best way to invest in the film industry in Toronto and Vancouver?
I hope the MacGuinty Fiberals in Ontario are keeping a watchful eye on Claifornia. They are headed down the same road to bankrupcy with “green” energy policies as that state.
I wonder what all the Tawrana lattee suckers will do then?
I’m just waiting for the day that Kate has the line “Ontario Not Broke Enough” because it is coming…no doubt about it.
HEY, ALLEN,
So what your saying is this multi million dollar deal is over a ten year period giving the first solar panel a life of 25 years at the most by the time the project it done there will only be 15 years left of lifeo n the first panel ..do you have any idea how long it will take to recoup the cost of those panel’s ..i am willing to bet it will be way beyond the slated 25 year life span of the most efficient and longest lifespan of any of those panels, that’s a losing bet if you ask me and i would never invest a dime into that solar shite!!
Paul in clalgary.
Paul..the market for solar has pretty much tanked and some manafacturers are going broke. Excessive supply over demand. I am willing to bet the Chinese gov’t is not paying Canadian Tire prices. Also it takes some of the heat off the building of coal fired generation plants. I’m not saying you are wrong but China is a different mutt altogether.
Dianne Feinstein is her self, a monument to stupidity. I’m sure the desert will continue to be deserted for a long time, especially with the exodus of Californians for the North West and even,
Canada. Does anyone know how many of them left the state after the L.A. riots?
It was not so long ago that Cali had the 6th largest economy in the world.
In 2007 it had dropped from #6 to #8 as Arnold, then Candidate for Governor learned after making that speech…….
“California has the ideas of Athens and the power of Sparta,” Schwarzenegger said during Tuesday’s address. “As you know, California, if a nation, would be the sixth-largest economy in the world.” Yes Arnie .. it was already dropped to 8 when you decided to share your vast knowledge.
It was number 6 because of Ronald Reagan who was governor from ’67 through ’75 and kept it from sliding back into the toilet along with states like New York, Illinois and Pennsylvania.
I wonder where that falls today?
Ooooops! 10th
But, even then back then in 2007 Cali led the way with such shining examples as Massachusetts, New Jersey and Maryland in “transitioning to the NEW economy”.
That’s some transition! Dropping from #6 to #10 in the scale of global performance is a BIG Delta in real and relative terms.
As the socialists and parasites pick away at the rotting corpse …. it will be diminished further.
Paul,
I have to be honest, I know very little of the economics of a solar farm. I do know a bit about wind farms, and have studied the economics of them.
“I hope the MacGuinty Fiberals in Ontario are keeping a watchful eye on Claifornia. They are headed down the same road to bankrupcy with “green” energy policies as that state.”
Glengarrian….You can bet your butt he is.And he is trying to figure out how to beat them down the toilet.After all,Tarrawna has to be the bestest,fastest,and firtest in everything,even in the race to socialist bottom.
Paul @8.57 – “do you have any idea how long it will take to recoup the cost of those panel’s”
Less than 10 years.
Also note, the build is incremental.
Meh – I’m sure she’s just cleverly setting aside the land for future nuclear power plants.
Or maybe not.
Well, we now know where Galt’s Gulch isn’t. Callefonia.
Ten
Paul @8.57 – “do you have any idea how long it will take to recoup the cost of those panel’s”
Less than 10 years.
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yah, and man produced CO2 is causing the “glowball” warming too
I suggest that we take a “real” look at solar panels. Cause I believe that most will expire before their pay back threshold is met:-))))
Its like watching a colony of ants commit suicide.
I suggest that we take a “real” look at solar panels. Cause I believe that most will expire before their pay back threshold is met:-))))
Posted by: GYM at September 9, 2009 12:44 AM
Indeed. Simple test: does solar make sense without massive government subsidy? Of course not. If it did, private enterprise would be all over it.
Not only do I agree that most (all?) panels will … expire … before their cost is recouped, but I also wonder how much in terms of operational expense they’ll incur, primarily in terms of the massive upkeep required to keep them clean. Deserts are dusty places, and solar farms are big places. Labour expense alone to keep the damn things clean is going to be huge.
One might guess : they don’t know if their arses are punched..or bored.
Just a guess…
contrast Texas , which is not going broke but is making moves to isolate itself from the united hiatus of obamica.
Texas had a gross state product (GSP) of $1.09 trillion, the second highest in the U.S.[137][138] Its GSP is comparable to the GDP of India or Canada which are ranked 12th and 11th worldwide. Texas’s economy is the third largest in the world of country subdivisions behind California and Tokyo Prefecture.
[quote]Mr. Ahearn said much of the deal hasn’t been worked out yet, including how much First Solar would get paid.[/quote]China
China gave approval for a Wealth transfer, Cap & trade will pay the 10B, maybe from CANADA. I would think that the “bait” would have a contingent based on China’s support of Gore/Pelosi/Soros world view…….
California likewise is looking for a Wealth Transfer……
JMHO
I hope all the greenie lurkers are taking notes here. What Feinstein just did there was have it both ways.
1)She gets to be “green” by boosting “alternative” energy scams which by their nature devour huge areas of land. Solar is particularly land intensive.
2)She gets to be “green” by protecting huge areas of land from eeevile energy developers, boo hissss.
And you Lefty watermellons lap this stuff up. Still wondering why we mock you, suckers? Wanna buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is preparing legislation that would permanently put hundreds of thousands of acres of desert land off limits to energy projects. The territory would be designated California’s newest national monument.
The policies of the state government will create lots of open space in what are now urban areas, as those who create wealth flee the state.
Been seeing an awful lot of California lic. plates coming out of various neighborhoods here lately. Has the exodus begun???
I think so. I was bicycling in Los Altos Hills (a very affluent place) on Monday, and was struck by the number of “for sale” signs on very nice houses (well, the signs didn’t literally strike me, but there were a lot of them). I don’t know for sure that their owners will be leaving California, but that’s my guess.
Labour expense alone to keep the damn things clean is going to be huge.
~Colin from Mission B.C.
No problem.
We pitch tents on the decks of all those ships full of plastic bottles we send to China to be converted into Super Store black plastic shopping sacks, and send our Squeegy Kids over to keep the panels clean.
It’s win-win!
Everybody supports ‘renewable energy’ if it’s created and distributed by the free market, because that’s the only way we’ll know that it’s usable, reasonable, and desired.
I always feel ridiculous having to make obvious statements, like when you say something about black issues in America having to point out that you have black friends, or with similar arguments – we have to stop giving people the ammunition. Arguing against statism is not arguing against responsible environmental policy or renewable energy or any other ‘progressive’ wet dream; it’s just arguing against statism.