61 Replies to “Holodomor”

  1. Now now Kate. you know that’s not true. The NYT’s Walter Duranty told us so. And he won the Pulitzer. You know if you win a Pulitzer you have as much cred as if you won the Nobel peace prize, right? So everything Walter lied about.. Er.. I mean, when Walter provided us with the One Truth about our comrades of peace and solidarity, it is the only truth.
    lol.

  2. It is indeed good to remember that the Socialists kill their own, all for the good of the State (Collective).
    Those that can not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  3. Some things never “change” and I “hope” kids will wake up to the true “benevolence” of Socialism.

  4. “It is indeed good to remember that the Socialists kill their own, all for the good of the State (Collective).”
    ~Pat
    Partly right.
    This was Russians, led by a Georgian, killing Ukrainians.
    Let us not make the mistake of buying the idea that the Soviet Union was something other than Russia, because it really wasn’t, and that would be a truly dangerous lesson to forget.

  5. Wonder what Russia is up to in the world lately?
    What has she done recently? What will she do in the near future?
    Who knows? It’s not as if the mainstream media will tell us that something big and bad has Russia’s fingerprints of design all over it even if they had concrete proof…

  6. @ Pat
    The Socialists didn’t kill their own. They killed other innocent families who didn’t want to live under their rule. Stalin was afraid Ukraine would rebel so he wanted to prove a point to them and everyone else. He starved them to death.

  7. Let me help enlighten those about the mass starvation in the USSR.Stalin starved everyone as to feed the armed forces. My family comes from Belarus and Russia,all were starved and/or imprisoned not just the Ukrainians.

  9. I hate socialists.
    I hate communists.
    I hate collectivists.
    This is your legacy, it will not be whitewashed.

  10. Due to the lingering presence of socialists in our society, that’s a question worth answering, Rednik. I would say: being humane.

  12. From 1:58 to 2:28, most of the Kulak cartoon characters look like stereotypical Юдеї/yudei.

  13. Collectivization is being attempted again. World wide. By the United Nations. On an essential resource, second only to food. Fossil fuels.
    In the 1930s, in Russia, it was for the “common good”. Stalin knew what was good for the people. Today, Al Gore knows what is good for the people.
    Ruse then – food supply.
    Ruse now – the planet.
    Same sh** different pile.
    Ask this guy. Been there, done that;
    [ A week ago, I gave a speech at an official gathering at the Prague Castle commemorating the 60th anniversary of the 1948 communist putsch in the former Czechoslovakia. One of the arguments of my speech there, quoted in all the leading newspapers in the country the next morning, went as follows: “Future dangers will not come from the same source. The ideology will be different. Its essence will, nevertheless, be identical – the attractive, pathetic, at first sight noble idea that transcends the individual in the name of the common good, and the enormous self-confidence on the side of its proponents about their right to sacrifice the man and his freedom in order to make this idea reality.” What I had in mind was, of course, environmentalism and its currently strongest version, climate alarmism.] Vaclav Klaus

  14. The Ukranians died in the millions – a slow death of starvation.
    No good has ever come from socialism, communism, Marxism, or collectism, only death and hardship.
    My husband’s family escaped the Ukraine, and when he was growing up, his family never had many material possessions, but they always had food because they lived off the land in Canada.

  15. Kate,
    Please do a screenshot from babble of some comments on their Holodomor thread – truly disgusting!
    http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/75th-anniversary-holodomor-marked
    Some quotes:
    “If this board were to lend this event the sanctity of Scripture – for example, if we have to acknowledge that the Soviets were trying to exterminate the Ukrainian nation (as is intimated in the OP) – I will happily leave this board and join “Just For Laughs”. Might as well get my humour straight from the source.
    ”
    “There were hungry people in the land of lush and green pastures here in 1930’s North America as inconceivable as that may seem. My father and uncles were avid poachers of deer and moose in those days. FDR created government farm collectives then to deal with the collapse of laissez faire capitalism in America. There were no truly successful agricultural models around the world for any government to follow during that era. ”
    They have no shame apparently.

  16. While I thought that this act was an atrocity, several of the gruesome pictures used in the video were proved to be staged. Others were also previously taken from a similar famine in the 1920’s. Not saying that all of them are fake however.

  17. Well, socialists do kill their own – and others. Bolsheviks against Mensheviks, Communists against Anarcho-Syndicalists in Spain, Communists against Communists in Russia (it is hard to imagine a more dangerous position than being one of Stalin’s court; and then there was the purge of the Red Army, which almost lost Russia the war). On and on and on it goes.

  19. The greatest fear of those who were so brutally starved to death by the evil Stalin was that no one would ever find out why they died, and who had done it to them. And indeed, thanks to people like the NY Times’ Walter Duranty, the horror of this genocide was hidden from the world for a very long time. Only recently have we begun to learn the truth. Thanks, Kate, for helping to tell the story.

  20. Please keep in mind it was done for the collective good of all. May those with the same collective thoughts today suffer the same fate.

  21. Thanks for posting this Kate as this event deserves far more publicity than it has had. My father’s family fortunately escaped this act of Stalinist terror living in what was then Polish occupied Ukraine which my father left in 1939 (a lucky break but also explains why I’m here to write this).
    For years I’d have people express disbelief that Stalin could have starved so many Ukrainians (and this is from people who had no difficulty in believing the Hitlerian holoucast). Not one person involved in orchestrating the Ukrainian famine has been punished for their actions and these individuals are free to move to Canada. People are free to publically deny that this event never happened in marked contrast to what happens to people like Ernst Zundel who have the temerity to question the number of Jews killed by Hitler.
    Part of this is likely due to the victors of a war creating their official history and, with the USSR being an ally of the winning coalition, it was probably considered necessary to gloss over the USSR’s far greater human rights abuses than occurred under the Nazi’s. When I saw how this event was handled in official historical accounts of WWII, I never again trusted anything that came from government sources unless I had independant confirmation.

  24. In Saturday’s National Post, the estimable Ian Hunter, Professor Emeritus of Law at Western, close personal friend of Malcolm Muggeridge, and, now, like Muggeridge, a Catholic convert, wrote a column called, “Telling the Truth about the Ukrainian famine”, which is something Muggeridge actually did.
    At the time, he was shunned by the left, who believed the duplicitous New York Times columnist and Communist toady, Walter Duranty, who received the Pulitzer Prize for his lies. (The Pulitzer Foundation, to this day, has refused to rescind the prize.)
    On November 22, 2008, at Westminster Cathedral (RC) in London, England, two truthful and courageous journalists, Malcolm Muggeridge and Gareth Jones—despised and rejected by the lefty establishment of their day (and beyond)—posthumously received the Ukrainian Order of Freedom.
    Alleluia!

  25. Can a Pulitzer be revoked even posthumously? I remember a few year back an award (can’t remember which) was revoked from a journalist whose story was completely fabricated.
    favill

  26. Russians and communism have never been made to confront their guilt as the worst torturers and mass murderers of recorded history, thanks to the marxist domination of academia and the media who all follow the Walter Duranty School of Journalism. The Pulitzer “prize” is forever stained by refusal to remove an award given to what amounts to a Holocaust enabler, just different holocaust.
    The Holomodor is only part of Russians’ evil handiwork. Double digit millions were also starved and worked to death in the gulags.
    Germans were collectively held responsible for the Holocaust, repented and made reparations as far as possible. Russians were allowed to continue thinking of themselves as “liberators” when they brought worse than the Nazis had. Putin is resurrecting Stalin as a national hero, not difficult to do with many ordinary citizens keeping shrines to him in their homes. I don’t think there are many Germans with shrines to Hitler.

  28. Waiting for Spielberg and other Hollywood elites to make dozens of films about this episode in history…
    …waiting…waiting…waiting…waiting

  29. As far as I last heard, the NYT still keeps Duranty’s pulitzer in the same place of honour as any others awarded (I can’t say won, or achieved, or any other expression indicating an effort justifiably rewarded) to other NYT employees.

  30. The Ukrainians or their relatives who escaped the Stalin “Holodomor” who are now living and farming in western Canada surely must despise the Canadian Wheat Board as a reminder of Stalinist Russia, when they or their western Canadian cohorts were jailed for selling their wheat to private buyers, as opposed to the ‘state’.
    Sadly, Canada still keeps vestiges of communism in the form of the Canadian Wheat Board.
    Communism was percolating in other European countries prior to the Stalin years.
    Hungary, Romania, Czekhoslovakia etc.in the 1920’s.
    Thankfully my parents came to Canada from Hungary when they did in 1925.
    And yes, Putin has not lost the Stalinist fervor.
    I suspect that Bush has long ago regretted his invite of Putin to Crawford.
    Long live FREE Ukrainians and their push for “Holodomor Day” in Canada!!!

  31. Thanks, Kate. My mother’s family is Ukrainian. I loath ethnic-obsessive victimology, but this was a Holocaust-scale atrocity which happened in Europe, much more recently than, say, the Irish Potato famine, unlike which it was deliberate – and, present company excepted, nobody’s ever bloody heard of it.

  32. Just the name is different. Fascism & Communism are the same. One is National the other International organized totalitarianism. By Beasts who wan t to force us all to be ants.
    To them we are nothing but chemical robots for their tuning. I agree with Lookout. In the 30’s all turned away from the truth for the progressive lie. They believe a lie because it was comfortable. Hence the black listing.
    Remind you people of present day events, with some different players?
    Slaughter in the millions is the result of Leader or personality worship by collectivists.
    Any who do not conform are not human & thus expendable. The best defense against any holocausts, is Equality of law for ALL married to Free speech.
    In Edmonton we have had a Ukrainian memorial for years by our cento graph of this atrocity with others.
    Its a stark reminder of the price of real Liberty.

  33. I remember studying this in school. 3 rooms, 3 teachers and over 100 children up to grade 9. We studied famines, wars and atrocities. Listened to morning bible in assembly, sang god save the queen, then started lessons in class. No it wasn’t a religious school it was an ordinary little country school without a library.
    Parents and neighbor’s talked about all manner of politics but that was before everybody got TV. Lot of neighbor’s fought and went thru these period of times.
    People use to talk about it and younger people listened, now they listen to TV, watch and play video and are very lucky if they can comprehend reading, writing and mathematics’s.
    They can however tell you about lieberalism of the world and it is all good. 45 years of lieberal rule, dumbing down the schools, rewriting history, people we elect to office are lining up at the socialist trough.
    People wonder why the law is so easy on murders, thieves and child molesters is because the elected ones are just as bad as the murders, thieves and child molesters.
    Thanks for letting me rant Kate.

  36. Oz, the Holodymor was all about communism and socialiasm, as the Ukrainian Slavs were ‘clinging’ to religion and nationalism and their agrarian economy, therefore posing a challenge to the communist state. It was almost immaterial that the Ruassians and Ukrainians were distinct but related Slavic nations.
    and thanks for posting this Kate.

  37. I wonder when someone will be brought before the Canadian Human Rights Commission for even sugesting that such a thing as the Holodomor happened and was instagated by the communists.The instution is in place and the players are at their posts.They prosecute on their terms.

  38. Bushman, it was about the Russification of the Ukraine. The Russians just happened to be Communists at that time….at that time.
    Jewish-Polish scholar Raphael Lemkin in his 1950s work titled “History of Genocide”:
    >”It is no wonder that the Communist leaders have attached the greatest importance to the Russification of this independent[-minded] member of their “Union of Republics,” have determined to remake it to fit their pattern of one Russian nation. For the Ukrainian is not and has never been, a Russian. His culture, his temperament, his language, his religion – all are different.”

  39. In terms of utter ideology-induced blindness Duranty was actually outdone by our own former PM and collectivist, Pierre Trudeau.
    In 1960, during the ‘Great Leap Forward’ (what a misnomer!) he travelled China with his sidekick Jacques Hebert. They wrote a book about it but somehow failed to notice that millions were dying from famine and purges all over the country. The death toll from that episode is estimated to top 40 million.

  40. One of the arguments used by the murdering filth and their allies at the time to refute famine stories was to cite the “bumper crops” of Soviet rye and wheat being sold on the European commodity markets at the time to obtain foreign exchange.

  41. In the ’70s, I visited the home of an elderly war vet. He was a big, powerful completely self sufficient Ukrainian man that had fought for the Germans. I spent a fascinating evening with him and a few things stand out in my mind.
    Among them – When I asked him why he fought for the Germans – he replied very coldly “To kill Russians”.

  42. Oz, f.u. if you are a communist/socialist apologist.
    The Soviets despised all nationalism, just as they despised religion and independant and self-sufficients people.
    Ukrainian nationalism was inseperable from religion and the way of life, which was primarily agrarian, with small, independant farmers. The only reason to russify Ukrainians was to make them complaint; to crsh their nation, so that the no longer would ‘cling’ to their guns and religion and small farms etc..

  44. Bushman, I hate socialism/communism. The variety matters not.
    That said, the position of field grade officers in the Red Army was reserved for Russians, Ukrainians were not allowed to rise above NCO during the entire existence of the Soviet Union.
    Get it? Sure, the selling of International Communism caused Russia to give lipservice to the ideal of post-nationalism, but the reality was that nations which fell into the Soviet Union’s orbit were Russified. That is why there was a break between the USSR and Mao’s PRC.
    The Soviet Union was Russian and Russia was the Soviet Union. To me, it looks like you, Bushman, want to make excuses for Russia and lay the groundwork for further Russian adventurism the like of which we saw in Georgia this year.
    I’m of the opinion that the Cold War never ended.
    The West just declared victory when there wasn’t any and the Communists continue to fight their side of it through Islamic Jihadi proxies instead of the Socialist Liberation Revolutionary proxies of the 20th century.

  45. Hard Right – you ask if todays kids will wake up to the benevolence of socialists? It is up to us to keep repeating the message. We can’t count on the schools. Too many teachers are Hard Left and would only gloss over such an atrociy.
    Thanks you Kate for reminding me with this posting. You provide a valuable service to, not only your country, but especially to our youth. If they don’t get this information on a website like this one they are not likely to get it elsewhere.

  46. Also – Canada has apologized for wrongs in the past – i.e. Japanese, Natives. Where in hell is the apology from Russia? Do anyone think that its coming anytime soon Why do we have anything to do with the bastard Putin?

  47. I spent an evening with a gentleman whose brother fought in the Russian revolution with the White army.He was captured and was asked if he wanted to go home or fight for the Red army.He hadnt been home for a considerable time and didnt know how his parents were getting along so opted to go home.In the middle of the night he was taken from his bed and was in the Red army.He was from the Ukraine and his family had a farm there.When the war was over the communists came and as the local feed mill was a for profit enterprise,they burnt the mill and poured gasoline on the grain in it and burnt it so as to start everyone on an equal footing.They transfered the family to Siberia where they planted a crop.It didnt come up in 1919.Nor in 1920.It was too dry.It came up in 1921 and was a fair crop.That fall the authorities came and took ALL the production and sent it to the cities so the workers could eat.They asked the authorities how they would be able to last the winter and grow a crop for next year and were told that that wasnt their concern.They moved to Canada that year.I am proud to have them as neighbors.

  48. Oz, Ukrainians such as Khruschev rose to the highest ranks of the Soviet Union. It did not matter if you were Georgian (Stalin) or Jewish (Beria), all that mattered was whether one was a Communist or not. Russian was the default, simply because of its size. And throughout much of the Soviet Union, it was thought that a person could not be both a communist and a Ukrainian nationalist, or any other type of ethnic nationalist, for that matter.

  49. Oz, I second Bushman. The same goes for any other socialist/communist apologists for the USSR.
    ‘Where the future is being made’ according to that ahole PET; hopefully there was a special place reserved for him next to Stalin & his ilk.

  50. @Bushman and the other Russian apologist,
    The Politburo wasn’t the “highest ranks of the Soviet Union”.
    Twelve of the “Soviet Republics” were nothing more than hostage nations to Russia.
    The Soviet Union was a three legged Russian stool: KGB, Red Army, Politburo(last).
    (in that order)
    The Politburo voted itself out of existence, just as the KGB told it to do.
    The Red Army and KGB remained.
    They were the real power of the Soviet Union.
    They were/are the real Russia.
    They are the real threat yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
    It is Russia that has all of the USSR’s nuclear weapons.
    It is Russia that has the USSR’s aircraft carriers and ability to project power abroad.
    It is Russia that has the remaining might of the Red Army.
    Again, I am not a Russian or socialist/Communist apologist.
    By pretending the Soviet Union was some kind of super Boogieman and separate enetity from Russia, you apologize for the real threat of Russia today.

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