Who’re those turkeys at the 51-53 age bracket?! Must’ve been a hell of a 50th B-day party!!! 🙂
Who’re those turkeys at the 51-53 age bracket?! Must’ve been a hell of a 50th B-day party!!! 🙂
Hey, where are the underage drinkers who are underage driving….???
I find reading your blog a lot like listening to Sarah Palin speak. I never know what the hell you’re talking about.
They’re there, jcl – they’re lumped in with 16 & under. (Drinking age in Sask is 19)
Matt, the point being………
SGEU and other public unions are better at controlling the sale of liquor to the public versus private store operators.
Alberta is the “bad-boy”. Gov’t unions “good”.
If Brad Wall would like to privatize liquor stores, he should go for it.
I remember how the alarmists howled when Alberta decided liquor distribution need not be a distribution monopoly.
I remember as a kid when I went into the Alberta Liquor Control Board store with my dad. He had to list the booze he wanted. Not sure if they wanted his name and address, but Albertans realized the post-Prohibition control freaks were idiotic.
There were predictions of carnage on the highways and imagery of drunken louts vandalizing neighbourhoods as people shook with fear in their houses.
None of that happened, of course.
Today, the ALCB is a middleman for all the booze that comes into the province and all imports must first go through their warehouses.
If there is a flaw in the system today, it’s that the ALCB cannot get the booze to the individual retailers fast enough.
Throw off the shackles and join the rest of the world, Saskatchewan.
You can go to the USA and get beer in any grocery store. Near as I can tell, grocery stores are not a branch of the ever-encroaching state.
If nothing matters more than the children’s safety, then how come the young gal at 0:14 that is learning to drive is not wearing a seatbelt?
Being almost a non-drinker, I haven’t seen Alberta fall apart from the increase in liquor outlets, but the odd time I do want a beer or some wine, I appreciate the wide range of product choice and places to buy from.
We seem to have a tight assed approach to liquor – in contrast, I just spent two weeks in China on business. One hotel I stayed at for a week ran their cafe as a buffet. The serve yourself beverage counter had coffee, juice, pop, and beer just sitting there for you to help yourself. Yes, the beer was in the open, on the counter next to the coffee. I didn’t see anyone over indulging, or children drinking, or any of the other evils that people ascribe to booze.
I’ll bet a lot of you on this blog are civil servants with access to a computer. And Kate what do you do for a living that you can spend so much of your time hosting a blog? Sounds like spoiled brat rich kid to me. They’re the ones that are so hard on working stiffs.
Free, that’s not necessarily true about the US. The laws vary from state to state. In Minnesota, for example, you cannot find alcohol in grocery store, but cross the state line into Wisconsin and that is true.
Regardless, I, your political and spiritual savior, Chairman O, will soon control every aspect of your feeble lives and little matters like this, will soon be a thing of the past.
SUBMIT TO CHAIRMAN O.
The obvious solution is to raise the drinking age to 72.
why don’t we ban drinking and driving?
I would have been extremely disappointed if Ok4ua hadn’t shown up.
That bundle of joy throws his/her wet blanket on everything!
I wonder if he/she blogs at agri-ville as Burbert?
SYF, in addition to listing your booze at the ALCB, there was also a time when there was a womens side of the bar and a mens side in Alberta.
The puritans in power wouldn’t let the two mix in public because you just never know what kind of sordid comings and goings might happen if they did.
Of course, maybe the death penalty for rape at the time had something to do with that cautious requirement.
Love the bump at 75+
They’ve finally reached the point where the recognition of impending doom eclipses any concern about taking do-gooder’s advice.
Sask. had the same rules RockyT. This ad is all about maintaining Union wages and union control over employees of the Sask. Liqueur Board. Nothing else.
How is it possible for underage drivers to get alcohol from UNIONIZED GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES?
In Queerbec, one, I repeat, ONE 21 year old man lost his life in a car accident driving in winter. He was completely sober. The judge declared “Had the car been equipped with winter tires, this man could possibly still be alive today”.
A law was passed, with not one blip of protest that all vehicles with a Qc license must have winter tires on all 4 wheels. This includes all wheel drives and 4wd.
You can purchase beer and wine at any convenience or grocery store and Quebec is still the number one Province with the highest recorded drunk driving and fatal accidents.
Talk about one f*cked up province.
IMO: Drinking should be legal at 16 years of age…Let them wear the novelty off, then let them drive: Minimum age 21.
The accident/death stats are telling. As the liquor laws became less authoritarian, the number of accidents/deaths became lower.
A number of years ago, a Vancouver Sun reporter did a peace about drinking and driving. If my memory serves me, a large portion of the drunk drivers were repeat offenders. In other words, the penalties were too damned light.
I and my family were victims of a drunk one evening. We were hit head on at an intersection by a car the drunk had rear-ended. The injury and trauma remained with us for years. The drunk was treated as the “real” victim in court and promised to attend AA. He had been convicted on 3 previous occasions.
I have no faith in the present method known as “drinking driver counter attack”. I don’t believe in road blocks by Police Officers on overtime paid for by my tax dollar. Stopping law abiding motorists with no suspicion or probable cause is just too totalitarian for me. It assumes in principal that my rights are worth no more than a salary top up before Christmas. And the real repeat drunks bypass the usual road block locations.
There are other ways to do the job and on regular time.
Now I’ll step off my soapbox; thank you for listening.
That’s amusing… Govt union flaunting the idea that they crack the kiddies for ID and yet the kiddies have the highest rate of drunk driving charges… Where did the kiddies get the booze?
I’ll tell ya where; They got the booze from the Govt workers.
When I was a kid growing up in Saskatoon, I pulled liquor for me and my buddies every other weekend. I was 16 years old. I never got cracked for ID. Not once.
The Govt union is lying.
Ahhh, yes, I remember the “good old days” when there was the Men’s and Ladies & Escorts at the hotels. Had to go in the Liquer store and write down the stock number of the beverage and hand it to the dude behind the counter. Then had to drive to another store to get my beer. good old Ontariario, circa 1960’s -70’s.
Fast forward and I was in Alberta when they went private. Only people howling were the former stodgy old farts that were always standing around the back of the gov’t liquer store with their hands behind their backs and of course the Friends of Medicare. If there was a drunken orgy in the streets of Alberta, I must have missed it.
Lived six years in Texas. I bought my beer and wine with my groceries most of the time. They have dry counties in Texas too but I never did see any drunks worrying about county lines.
The point to my verbal diarrhea is that there is no “root cause” for idiots who abuse booze and a drunk driver is a drunk driver is a drunk driver. Throw the bugger in jail for a while. At least he/she is off the streets for that time. Government control of booze is actually about controlling money from a “sin”. The SGEU is only after keeping a piece of the money pie and keeping the jobs of their members.
btw, how many of those diligent union workers have relatives who made a lot of money working the booze trade around Moose Jaw, Estivan and other roaring twenties boom towns?
…could it be that perhaps Sask drivers aren’t used to curves in the road.
bad tom, bad…
hehe
In keeping with tradition & the end of the logic tree, lets have another 3 year Prohibition on alcohol & all drugs. Including coffee or any other stimulant. That may hold off the Puritans with no god for a while one would hope.
Estivan = Estevan
Don’t forget Bienfait and North Portal……
I think booze should be made illegal and then kids could only source this nasty and deadly drug from illicit dealers too.
It’s stopped people from smoking pot…….right?…….right?
Oh hypocrisy, where is thy sting?
Where I grew up in Sask. women couldn’t go to the pub because it didn’t have a seperate room for them.Early 60’s I believe.
How about looking at the raw stats. The number of drivers isn’t x10 or x100 it is the actual numbers. It looks like the total number of drunk drivers in Sask was just a bit North of 200. Is that really what MADD is fighting about? Is zero tolerance really going to make all that much difference?
CRC – I can do you one better. Flying from Kosice to Prague on the 6:00 am flight, we were offered Pilsner Urquel as an option.
Ya, great job, guys. Looks like those 15 & 16 year olds aren’t getting a hold of alot of boose. Keep up the good work – and by the way – take tomorrow off. In fact take the next 30 years off!
I remember Alberta changing from government liquor stores to private. As far as I could tell from my vantage point as a primary health care provider, it made no difference whatsoever in the numbers of alcoholics, under-age drinkers or alcohol related traffic accidents. It did, however, improve the selection and convenience in purchasing liquor for most consumers.
When I was growing up in Quebec, beer was available for purchase in the grocery stores.
The SGEU are simply trying to protect their sinecures.
I have the solution, have government workers in white overcoats with big canadian flag crests at the exit doors of all high schools handing out free booze and cigarettes each and every school day. It would not be long before all teens stopped drinking and smoking. The rebellion factor would be completely destroyed and all the fun would be out of it. Ask any teen.
The big difference in private vs public is distribution. In Alberta the small stores get their liquor after the big guys…if there’s anything left. The guvment controls the quantity but it’s not evenly distributed.
Since private liquor stores pay their workers about half the hourly rate that gov’t liquor stores do, logically one would expect the prices to be substantially lower…except that’s rarely the case. This is where right wing logic takes over, with the belief that more minimun wage workers means a better economy.
Richard Evans…you ask how the kids get the booze…parents and siblings get it for them.
Iberia, you obviously have never seen the price breakdown on something taxed like booze, gas or butts. Profit margin is slim on booze but I have seen differences in pricing between different stores in Alberta. Don’t forget that the private liquor stores still have to get their stock from a single source that being the AGLC or whatever they call their distribution arm.
Case in point: Bought wine from a BC winery for a function one time. Even though the Gov’t warehouse didn’t carry the brand, I had to get it sent to them and picked up from there. And yes, they did take a cut.
Texas (hey I was in Houston once), you are right about different pricing in different stores/towns in Alberta.
My brother can’t believe the $2 to $4/case/flat less he pays for his favorite beer at a town 60 miles out of Edmonton when he comes to visit me.
And of course, he always stocks up on his way back to the city.
I told him that we get cheap booze because they have to keep the farmers drunk so they’ll keep farming for nothing. Heh.
That spike in the chart at age 50 is interesting.
In Alberta, where we have fault auto insurance, our insurance premiums get a break at age 50.
“This is where right wing logic takes over, with the belief that more minimun wage workers means a better economy.”
~lberia
It really does work, mainly because with fewer Union workers the Unions have less money to contribute to the socialist war chest at election time.
(no socialist government = better economy) 🙂
They are insulting the public by suggesting that only unionized workers are capable of checking for ID.
It’s time to end these nanny state policies that exist primarily to pay these union employees many times the going market rate for no justifiable reason.
I lived in the Yukon in the late 80’s. You could get a jug of whiskey from the hotel front desk, day or night. The only drunks I saw were in the hotel bars buying from “regulated bar service persons”: Taku, 60 Below, Cecil, Gold Nugget,the Klondike or the Copper Cliff etc. At 40 below, one had to keep the anti-freeze level at a minimum level, otherwise you froze when you took a nap on the long walk home.
The moral of this stat is simple. After 105 years of age, drivers cease to drink, and drive.
Since Alberta opened up the liquor outlet industry to privatization you can get liquor in any number of ways. I have supervised crews in Alberta and I look for certain aspects of accomodations with hotels. If they have a restaurant, bar, lounge, room service and what taxi service is supplied in town. I ask the men/women to use these services. In the old days when you ran out of booze you always sent the soberest drunk to get more.
“I’ll bet a lot of you on this blog are civil servants with access to a computer. And Kate what do you do for a living that you can spend so much of your time hosting a blog? Sounds like spoiled brat rich kid to me. They’re the ones that are so hard on working stiffs”.
Posted by: ok4ua at November 13, 2008 3:11 PM
“Are you disguising yourself as a working stiff” ok4ua or are you one of the lieberals that watched CBC fawn over Iggy last night. When he started in on the selling of himself and mentioned “change”, the little pea brain of yours linked to spread the wealth and I’m going be standing in line with my hand held out.
Making our way back from B.C. a couple years ago my Dad and I after picking up an inflatable boat, decided to grab a doz. suds. Well from Vancouver out to Abbotsford there was exactly 1 gov’t. run liquor store. One friggin store in the whole town. Not only that but the beer was out on the floor, no coolers!
As soon as we entered Hinton, low and behold the second business sign was a private liquor store, God Bless Alberta.
Alcohol is the biggest legal drug problem we have.
I’m retired and work part time. I do not support the liberals.
Who’re those turkeys at the 51-53 age bracket?! Must’ve been a hell of a 50th B-day party!!! 🙂
Who’re those turkeys at the 51-53 age bracket?! Must’ve been a hell of a 50th B-day party!!! 🙂
Hey, where are the underage drinkers who are underage driving….???
I find reading your blog a lot like listening to Sarah Palin speak. I never know what the hell you’re talking about.
They’re there, jcl – they’re lumped in with 16 & under. (Drinking age in Sask is 19)
Matt, the point being………
SGEU and other public unions are better at controlling the sale of liquor to the public versus private store operators.
Alberta is the “bad-boy”. Gov’t unions “good”.
If Brad Wall would like to privatize liquor stores, he should go for it.
I remember how the alarmists howled when Alberta decided liquor distribution need not be a distribution monopoly.
I remember as a kid when I went into the Alberta Liquor Control Board store with my dad. He had to list the booze he wanted. Not sure if they wanted his name and address, but Albertans realized the post-Prohibition control freaks were idiotic.
There were predictions of carnage on the highways and imagery of drunken louts vandalizing neighbourhoods as people shook with fear in their houses.
None of that happened, of course.
Today, the ALCB is a middleman for all the booze that comes into the province and all imports must first go through their warehouses.
If there is a flaw in the system today, it’s that the ALCB cannot get the booze to the individual retailers fast enough.
Throw off the shackles and join the rest of the world, Saskatchewan.
You can go to the USA and get beer in any grocery store. Near as I can tell, grocery stores are not a branch of the ever-encroaching state.
If nothing matters more than the children’s safety, then how come the young gal at 0:14 that is learning to drive is not wearing a seatbelt?
Being almost a non-drinker, I haven’t seen Alberta fall apart from the increase in liquor outlets, but the odd time I do want a beer or some wine, I appreciate the wide range of product choice and places to buy from.
We seem to have a tight assed approach to liquor – in contrast, I just spent two weeks in China on business. One hotel I stayed at for a week ran their cafe as a buffet. The serve yourself beverage counter had coffee, juice, pop, and beer just sitting there for you to help yourself. Yes, the beer was in the open, on the counter next to the coffee. I didn’t see anyone over indulging, or children drinking, or any of the other evils that people ascribe to booze.
I’ll bet a lot of you on this blog are civil servants with access to a computer. And Kate what do you do for a living that you can spend so much of your time hosting a blog? Sounds like spoiled brat rich kid to me. They’re the ones that are so hard on working stiffs.
Free, that’s not necessarily true about the US. The laws vary from state to state. In Minnesota, for example, you cannot find alcohol in grocery store, but cross the state line into Wisconsin and that is true.
Regardless, I, your political and spiritual savior, Chairman O, will soon control every aspect of your feeble lives and little matters like this, will soon be a thing of the past.
SUBMIT TO CHAIRMAN O.
The obvious solution is to raise the drinking age to 72.
why don’t we ban drinking and driving?
I would have been extremely disappointed if Ok4ua hadn’t shown up.
That bundle of joy throws his/her wet blanket on everything!
I wonder if he/she blogs at agri-ville as Burbert?
SYF, in addition to listing your booze at the ALCB, there was also a time when there was a womens side of the bar and a mens side in Alberta.
The puritans in power wouldn’t let the two mix in public because you just never know what kind of sordid comings and goings might happen if they did.
Of course, maybe the death penalty for rape at the time had something to do with that cautious requirement.
Love the bump at 75+
They’ve finally reached the point where the recognition of impending doom eclipses any concern about taking do-gooder’s advice.
Sask. had the same rules RockyT. This ad is all about maintaining Union wages and union control over employees of the Sask. Liqueur Board. Nothing else.
How is it possible for underage drivers to get alcohol from UNIONIZED GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES?
In Queerbec, one, I repeat, ONE 21 year old man lost his life in a car accident driving in winter. He was completely sober. The judge declared “Had the car been equipped with winter tires, this man could possibly still be alive today”.
A law was passed, with not one blip of protest that all vehicles with a Qc license must have winter tires on all 4 wheels. This includes all wheel drives and 4wd.
You can purchase beer and wine at any convenience or grocery store and Quebec is still the number one Province with the highest recorded drunk driving and fatal accidents.
Talk about one f*cked up province.
IMO: Drinking should be legal at 16 years of age…Let them wear the novelty off, then let them drive: Minimum age 21.
The accident/death stats are telling. As the liquor laws became less authoritarian, the number of accidents/deaths became lower.
A number of years ago, a Vancouver Sun reporter did a peace about drinking and driving. If my memory serves me, a large portion of the drunk drivers were repeat offenders. In other words, the penalties were too damned light.
I and my family were victims of a drunk one evening. We were hit head on at an intersection by a car the drunk had rear-ended. The injury and trauma remained with us for years. The drunk was treated as the “real” victim in court and promised to attend AA. He had been convicted on 3 previous occasions.
I have no faith in the present method known as “drinking driver counter attack”. I don’t believe in road blocks by Police Officers on overtime paid for by my tax dollar. Stopping law abiding motorists with no suspicion or probable cause is just too totalitarian for me. It assumes in principal that my rights are worth no more than a salary top up before Christmas. And the real repeat drunks bypass the usual road block locations.
There are other ways to do the job and on regular time.
Now I’ll step off my soapbox; thank you for listening.
That’s amusing… Govt union flaunting the idea that they crack the kiddies for ID and yet the kiddies have the highest rate of drunk driving charges… Where did the kiddies get the booze?
I’ll tell ya where; They got the booze from the Govt workers.
When I was a kid growing up in Saskatoon, I pulled liquor for me and my buddies every other weekend. I was 16 years old. I never got cracked for ID. Not once.
The Govt union is lying.
Ahhh, yes, I remember the “good old days” when there was the Men’s and Ladies & Escorts at the hotels. Had to go in the Liquer store and write down the stock number of the beverage and hand it to the dude behind the counter. Then had to drive to another store to get my beer. good old Ontariario, circa 1960’s -70’s.
Fast forward and I was in Alberta when they went private. Only people howling were the former stodgy old farts that were always standing around the back of the gov’t liquer store with their hands behind their backs and of course the Friends of Medicare. If there was a drunken orgy in the streets of Alberta, I must have missed it.
Lived six years in Texas. I bought my beer and wine with my groceries most of the time. They have dry counties in Texas too but I never did see any drunks worrying about county lines.
The point to my verbal diarrhea is that there is no “root cause” for idiots who abuse booze and a drunk driver is a drunk driver is a drunk driver. Throw the bugger in jail for a while. At least he/she is off the streets for that time. Government control of booze is actually about controlling money from a “sin”. The SGEU is only after keeping a piece of the money pie and keeping the jobs of their members.
btw, how many of those diligent union workers have relatives who made a lot of money working the booze trade around Moose Jaw, Estivan and other roaring twenties boom towns?
…could it be that perhaps Sask drivers aren’t used to curves in the road.
bad tom, bad…
hehe
In keeping with tradition & the end of the logic tree, lets have another 3 year Prohibition on alcohol & all drugs. Including coffee or any other stimulant. That may hold off the Puritans with no god for a while one would hope.
Estivan = Estevan
Don’t forget Bienfait and North Portal……
I think booze should be made illegal and then kids could only source this nasty and deadly drug from illicit dealers too.
It’s stopped people from smoking pot…….right?…….right?
Oh hypocrisy, where is thy sting?
Where I grew up in Sask. women couldn’t go to the pub because it didn’t have a seperate room for them.Early 60’s I believe.
How about looking at the raw stats. The number of drivers isn’t x10 or x100 it is the actual numbers. It looks like the total number of drunk drivers in Sask was just a bit North of 200. Is that really what MADD is fighting about? Is zero tolerance really going to make all that much difference?
CRC – I can do you one better. Flying from Kosice to Prague on the 6:00 am flight, we were offered Pilsner Urquel as an option.
Ya, great job, guys. Looks like those 15 & 16 year olds aren’t getting a hold of alot of boose. Keep up the good work – and by the way – take tomorrow off. In fact take the next 30 years off!
I remember Alberta changing from government liquor stores to private. As far as I could tell from my vantage point as a primary health care provider, it made no difference whatsoever in the numbers of alcoholics, under-age drinkers or alcohol related traffic accidents. It did, however, improve the selection and convenience in purchasing liquor for most consumers.
When I was growing up in Quebec, beer was available for purchase in the grocery stores.
The SGEU are simply trying to protect their sinecures.
I have the solution, have government workers in white overcoats with big canadian flag crests at the exit doors of all high schools handing out free booze and cigarettes each and every school day. It would not be long before all teens stopped drinking and smoking. The rebellion factor would be completely destroyed and all the fun would be out of it. Ask any teen.
The big difference in private vs public is distribution. In Alberta the small stores get their liquor after the big guys…if there’s anything left. The guvment controls the quantity but it’s not evenly distributed.
Since private liquor stores pay their workers about half the hourly rate that gov’t liquor stores do, logically one would expect the prices to be substantially lower…except that’s rarely the case. This is where right wing logic takes over, with the belief that more minimun wage workers means a better economy.
Richard Evans…you ask how the kids get the booze…parents and siblings get it for them.
Iberia, you obviously have never seen the price breakdown on something taxed like booze, gas or butts. Profit margin is slim on booze but I have seen differences in pricing between different stores in Alberta. Don’t forget that the private liquor stores still have to get their stock from a single source that being the AGLC or whatever they call their distribution arm.
Case in point: Bought wine from a BC winery for a function one time. Even though the Gov’t warehouse didn’t carry the brand, I had to get it sent to them and picked up from there. And yes, they did take a cut.
Texas (hey I was in Houston once), you are right about different pricing in different stores/towns in Alberta.
My brother can’t believe the $2 to $4/case/flat less he pays for his favorite beer at a town 60 miles out of Edmonton when he comes to visit me.
And of course, he always stocks up on his way back to the city.
I told him that we get cheap booze because they have to keep the farmers drunk so they’ll keep farming for nothing. Heh.
That spike in the chart at age 50 is interesting.
In Alberta, where we have fault auto insurance, our insurance premiums get a break at age 50.
“This is where right wing logic takes over, with the belief that more minimun wage workers means a better economy.”
~lberia
It really does work, mainly because with fewer Union workers the Unions have less money to contribute to the socialist war chest at election time.
(no socialist government = better economy) 🙂
They are insulting the public by suggesting that only unionized workers are capable of checking for ID.
It’s time to end these nanny state policies that exist primarily to pay these union employees many times the going market rate for no justifiable reason.
I lived in the Yukon in the late 80’s. You could get a jug of whiskey from the hotel front desk, day or night. The only drunks I saw were in the hotel bars buying from “regulated bar service persons”: Taku, 60 Below, Cecil, Gold Nugget,the Klondike or the Copper Cliff etc. At 40 below, one had to keep the anti-freeze level at a minimum level, otherwise you froze when you took a nap on the long walk home.
The moral of this stat is simple. After 105 years of age, drivers cease to drink, and drive.
Since Alberta opened up the liquor outlet industry to privatization you can get liquor in any number of ways. I have supervised crews in Alberta and I look for certain aspects of accomodations with hotels. If they have a restaurant, bar, lounge, room service and what taxi service is supplied in town. I ask the men/women to use these services. In the old days when you ran out of booze you always sent the soberest drunk to get more.
“I’ll bet a lot of you on this blog are civil servants with access to a computer. And Kate what do you do for a living that you can spend so much of your time hosting a blog? Sounds like spoiled brat rich kid to me. They’re the ones that are so hard on working stiffs”.
Posted by: ok4ua at November 13, 2008 3:11 PM
“Are you disguising yourself as a working stiff” ok4ua or are you one of the lieberals that watched CBC fawn over Iggy last night. When he started in on the selling of himself and mentioned “change”, the little pea brain of yours linked to spread the wealth and I’m going be standing in line with my hand held out.
Making our way back from B.C. a couple years ago my Dad and I after picking up an inflatable boat, decided to grab a doz. suds. Well from Vancouver out to Abbotsford there was exactly 1 gov’t. run liquor store. One friggin store in the whole town. Not only that but the beer was out on the floor, no coolers!
As soon as we entered Hinton, low and behold the second business sign was a private liquor store, God Bless Alberta.
Alcohol is the biggest legal drug problem we have.
I’m retired and work part time. I do not support the liberals.