(Two Afghan women photographed moments before they were executed. The “after” photos, plus the AP video, at the link.)
This is why we despise you.
We would remind the AP that the act of the Taliban inviting a reporter to the murder means they wanted this news out there. The AP was clearly being used as a propaganda outlet for the Taliban.
Does this make him an accomplice or only a witness to the crime? When you know a crime is about to be committed, do you not have a moral and ethical obligation to try to prevent that crime? Even if you’re a journalist? Even if all you do is try to call the authorities, in this case someone in the Afghani government or NATO?
A quick Yahoo News photo search of Rahmatullah Naikzad seems to indicate that he’s very friendly with the Taliban. Many of the pictures show Taliban fighters posing for the AP photographer.
It strikes me that the people who are so quick to critique the AP and point out inconsistencies, fake photos, doctoring, etc are the somehow the same ones who jump all over this sort of thing and assume it to have happened exactly as it’s described and shown!
Jeffro – want to take a stab for us at an alternative explanation as to what “happened exactly” in those photos? Are you for real! Two pretty commonplace rural women executed as “prostitutes” and you are suggesting that some other missing detail would mitigate the obvious savagery!! We are talking about the Taliban, aren’t we?
Any evidence that the reporter was present is entirely circumstantial
The AP stringer credited his name to the photos which makes it less than circumstantial. It’s sort of like a signature on a document. A quick question, is AP denying its authenticity?
Get real. Better not to open your mouth than confirm you are a fool.
I wish I could say I’m appalled and horrified but I’m not, this happens on a daily basis in Islamic Countries. Globally women are beaten to death for being immoral, and the world and MSM remains silent. Hundreds of thousands of women in Darfur raped or gang raped and the MSM and the left remain silent. I’ve come to the conclusion that women, and little girls are desposable beings in the persuit of a Socialist/Islamic Utopia.
In Europe women are being raped at record numbers by Muslim Immigrants and the response by the government and police is to hide the stats and figures. Racial and Religious harmany is more important than the saftey and well being of women.
At least these women won’t have to suffer living as a Wahhabi Muslim Female anymore, I’d rather be dead than forced to live under Wahhabi Islam.
Persoanlly I wish I could arm every single Muslim woman on this planet, the next time one of those filthy stinky pigs came to attack a female she’d have the ability to kill the filth where it stood. If the females of Darfur were armed I don’t think the Arab Janjaweed would of survived one attack let alone hundreds.
I was at the eye doctor’s office the other day (in Delta BC). In comes someone dressed in black from head to toe with only eyes uncovered!! She (??) sat across from me in the waiting room. My reaction to this? I must confess that I wanted to punch her right in the face and tell her to “smarten up”
Sheila at July 16, 2008 10:23 AM
I’d have pointed at her and laughed.
Then I would have asked her, “How long is the Circus in town for?”
Actually I wouldn’t.
I pity these women because they don’t usually speak Canadian and probably don’t know they don’t have to put up with living in a bag.
Unless we give them refugee status, including relocation and a new identity to protect them from relatives, and boot the “man” out of the country, there is no hope for them.
How soon we forget about the Korean Missionaries that were executed, In the Media’s eyes casualties of war.
Thats what a mission of Peace does for you.
Muslim garb is no more of a threat than swastikas or Che Guevara T’s. Those of you ridiculing Muslim female garb are cowards,ridicule the men who hold these women in slavery and the religion that they aspire to; but not the women. The women are real honest to goodness victims; unlike so many of the faux-victim classes manufactured by Western elites. Muslim women have no say in the matter … none; and many Western Muslim women risk their lives simply if they complain. Imagine their chances in Afghanistan.
If you attack, go after the ideology that binds them; and the scumbags that hold them enslaved, including the leftist elites in the West who offer Islamic purists nothing but soothing tones.
If you love liberty, then fight the Burka in the open market place of ideas, but don’t forget that there is a slave under that blue sheet.
DaninVan: “Some serious hypocrisy going on here…”
I don’t see it as hipocrisy. FYI, I agree with everything else you say in your comment. It’s infinitely better for the terrible evils inherent to radical Islam to be exposed to the world in every way possible to push back the creeping Sharia forces that continually use our western democratic system against us while freely and brutally terrorizing people with violence.
However, it’s the intentions of the AP that are suspect. The AP takes and sells everything given to them by Islamic radicals at face value – no risk taking (i.e. real journalism) invested to get to the deeper truths. There’s much more story to these murdered women than we’ll ever hear because once the AP got its’ blood-money shots, they were already moving onto finding another “shock-bite” long before the bodies of those murder women turned cold. By not digging out and reporting the real story the AP is dishonest to claim that these photos have anything to do with journalism. The AP is a trash organization and deserve to be despised by those that respect truth.
I do concur that ultimately these photos and others like these will continue to justify keeping Canada in a combat role…and may eventually persuade others like the germans to join the fight. If the AP and other MSM organizations were actually doing actual journalism on radical Islam there would be no wiggle room for our moonbat leftoid politicos and the effort to rid the world of this menace would be much more overwhelming. Who knows, maybe these women would still be alive and the Taliban devils too busy running from zipping 45 cal’s to do much murdering.
DEAR CANADA: If you enjoyed the photos, and you wish to see more, that’s easy. VOTE LIBERAL!!!
DEAR CANADA: If you enjoyed the photos, and you wish to see more, that’s easy. VOTE LIBERAL!!!
Pity Jack Laydown wasn’t there. He would have negotiated their survival, guarantee it.
>”The women are real honest to goodness victims; unlike so many of the faux-victim classes manufactured by Western elites.”
Paul at July 16, 2008 2:33 PM
I have personally seen woman who were born and raised in Canada and the U.S. who have voluntarily married Muslim men and are NOT victims.
Momma Kadhr knows how to play the Canadian system like a violin and is clearly NOT a victim.
Nazis and Cuban revolutionaries are no longer a viable threat.
Islam and all of it’s trappings is an existential threat NOW, not yesterday.
Having Muslim women walking around Calgary dressed in black bags normalizes something that should be denormalized and discredited.
Paul, you wrote “If you love liberty, then fight the Burka in the open market place of ideas, but don’t forget that there is a slave under that blue sheet”
I guess then the Khadr women are the exception, they obviously adore their position in life, hating the non-muslim society they live in, collecting welfare and sit around spewing their hateful nonsense. Yup, real benefit to our society.
Martin B; perhaps “hypocrisy” wasn’t really the right word, would you settle for “a disconnect”?
Whatever the photographers original intent, I’d call it a serious propaganda blow TO the Taliban, and, if it can be vigorously circulated, a kick in the crotch to the Khadr clan.
“This is the cause my son was(is) fighting for!” *bogglement*…
Such nice people.
The point of killing the women is to intimidate the Afghanis, so yes, with or without the pics they were doomed. The pics won’t even be seen by the majority of illiterate rural inhabitants, and certainly the captions would be unread and unneccesary; the pictures speak for themselves.
Canuckguy, OZ: You can’t judge an entire group of women by Kadr momma no more than you can judge all conservatives by one or two people. My general point was, that the vast majority of Muslim women have no choice doing as they do. They must in most cases leave family and friends behind if they want to Westernize. In most Muslim states they face much worse. The pressure on them is far greater than most can imagine, not to mention that ever since birth they’ve been subjected to the dehumanizing brainwashing of The Prophet.
If they open their mouth and speak out, as does momma Kadr, then engage them in the open market place of ideas … but their clothing has nothing to do with it. Attacking their Burka, is cowardly.
Are the two victims of the Taliban murder in the AP snuff piece guilty of being nothing but Muslim shmags then? … they were, after all, covered.
The Phantom, you make a good point. I hadn’t considered that.
Penny, I am not “suggesting that some other missing detail would mitigate the obvious savagery.” Let’s consider what we have here. A ‘before’ picture of two women clad in blue. We have an ‘after’ shot of what appears to be two women clad in blue that are dead. We have a video that shows little and is accompanied with audio of gunshots and screams. If in fact the reporter was present for this murder or knows the identity of the murderers, or was/is in a position to do something about this murder, then surely the critiques leveled against him/her and the AP are warranted. Personally, I need more evidence than is currently available.
DaninVan, well said. There’s more hear than meets the eye.
Oops. I meant Martin B, well said. Though DaninVan makes a good point too.
“Are the two victims of the Taliban murder in the AP snuff piece guilty of being nothing but Muslim shmags then? … they were, after all, covered.”
Paul at July 16, 2008 3:36 PM
I wasn’t critical of foreign burka clad Muslimas.
I even stated @ 2:00 PM:
“I pity these women because they don’t usually speak Canadian and probably don’t know they don’t have to put up with living in a bag.”
I still think that wearing “the Bag” in Canada should be denormalized and discredited.
Why?
Because otherwise Canadian women wearing “the Bag” are going to end up at the business end of a pistol like those poor women this thread is about.
Count on it.
Oz: The Burka doesn’t need to be denormalized; it already is. They stand out like complete freaks among all the skirts and shorts and bluejeans.
What has not been denormalized is Islamic doctrine. Canadian elites and media refuse to attack that, they’r too busy going after Hitler/Harper to bother about little things like barbarian beliefs.
I say, attack Islamic foundantional doctrine because it is the ideology that threatens us all … the Burka is just an artifact, and besides, the vast majority of Islamic killers are men, and they dress in Abercrombie & Fitch.
I used Google to confirm the fact that Canada has a few very good snipers in Afghanistan. My memory brought me back to the war years in England. Most of the men around the council houses were WW1 veterans. Nobody wanted to here any stories from them.
A man was said to be a sniper in that war. Someone darkly said, when I mentioned Mr Thacker, a former sniper. “The troops ‘ated their own snipers”. So the legend lives on. Honest fighting men and others decrying snipers. I suppose they thought it was a cricket match.
Says I to the Canadian snipers.
Go for it!
Well Paul, women wearing “the Bag” need to remain thought of as “complete freaks” here in the West in order that they don’t eventually end up as the Afghani women above did.
If “the Bag” is an artifact, it isn’t “merely” an artifact until it stops being a contemporary artifact and becomes an historic artifact.
Oz: It’s like attacking NDP orange or Che Guevara T’s instead of the foundational ideology. Sink the ideology, and Burka’s will diminish to a rarity … which they are anyway.
DaninVan:”would you settle for “a disconnect””
I’m more for “different issues connected by circumstance”. The AP is a lazy disingenuous heartless leftnut agenda driven den of yellow striped nitwits. How they pursued and presented this double murder to the public shows the AP’s lack of professional mettle.
However, the act of publishing anything that shows brutal naked truth, in spite of the treacherous source and the indifference of the publisher, is always worth it. With the AP, such things, particuliarly when involving radical Islam, seem to happen more by accident than by design.
Paul, I have to side with Oz. In all abusive relationships there is an abuser and an enabler. These women who allow themselves to be treated this way are no better than the beaten wife who refuses to leave her “loving” husband or the wife whose allows her child to be abused by her “loving” husband.
Paul, I did state: “I guess then the Khadr women are the exception” realizing they are not the majority of Muslim women but I believe they are certainly a sizable minority.
And yes, the ‘bag’ is a symbol and sign of a repressive culture,(it probably predated Islam) but symbols can be powerful and should be dealt with and when necessary, not tolerated. Society can be too tolerant. Sure, deal with the deep rooted cultural medival beliefs but on all fronts. Do not accept the ‘bag’, Sharia, and the violent behaviour of those Muslims who take screaming fits over the supposed slights.
I recall that women attending the Christian churches in my youth(way back) were expected to wear some sort of head covering whether they be scarfs or stylish hats. Things evolved since then. Islam is regressing or at the very least not evolving to a more civilized liberal society(BTW ‘liberal’ is not a bad word in this context)
AS for your comment “… as does momma Kadr, then engage them in the open market place of ideas…”. In momma’s case, her mind is a rusty steel trap, she would be proud if any of her sons became a suicide bomber. You can’t engage twisted minds like that.
Gus, Oz: Your ignorance is stunning … just plain stunning. These women are raised in a fanaticle system from birth; they don’t for the most part have the psychological capacity to just walk away, especially when in a foreign country. They have no support system to speak of, unlike normally abused women … and it’s hard enough for “local” women to do so. Normally, abused women only have one male adult to worry about … in the Muslim case, they have their entire community and all they’ve ever known set against them.
Now consider this. The vast majority of women in North America who are murdered, are killed by X husbands or boyfriends … and they are killed “AFTER” they leave the relationship. There is little protection for indiginious women who likely know the system way better and have supports. Imagine what it’s like for a Muslim immigrant. She’s got no chance.
Once again … use your brains to defeat the ideology … don’t go after mere symbols.
Paul, your comments are most astute and reasonable and I agree with you that ridiculing the pathetic burqa wearer is pointless. I can’t get past though the burqa that’s voluntary as a religious expression not so different from some old nuns that won’t move to street clothes and the burqa that’s an involuntarily imposed symbol of male submission on a female that has no choice in the matter. How do we do justice to the later in secular western societies? That’s no small issue. What if instead of burqas cloth handcuffs were the symbolic outerwear imposed on Muslim women, how tolerant would we westerners be then?
I’m conflicted as to whether burqas should have a place in our society. Ataturk banned them. The Shah of Iran tried to ban them. It’s more than the west that has tried to grapple with this very arbitrary symbol.
I think that the question that needs to be asked of burqa clad Muslim women immigrating to the west, granted most answers won’t be reliable, is: “is it YOUR choice to wear a burqa”? If the answer is “no” it seems to me that we simply can not add such an undemocratic entity to our culture unless we are prepared to fix it for her.
Of course, the West’s feminist are dead silent on that problem.
Paul, your comments are most astute and reasonable and I agree with you that ridiculing the pathetic burqa wearer is pointless. I can’t get past though the burqa that’s voluntary as a religious expression not so different from some old nuns that won’t move to street clothes and the burqa that’s an involuntarily imposed symbol of male submission on a female that has no choice in the matter. How do we do justice to the later in secular western societies? That’s no small issue. What if instead of burqas cloth handcuffs were the symbolic outerwear imposed on Muslim women, how tolerant would we westerners be then?
I’m conflicted as to whether burqas should have a place in our society. Ataturk banned them. The Shah of Iran tried to ban them. It’s more than the west that has tried to grapple with this very arbitrary symbol.
I think that the question that needs to be asked of burqa clad Muslim women immigrating to the west, granted most answers won’t be reliable, is: “is it YOUR choice to wear a burqa”? If the answer is “no” it seems to me that we simply can not add such an undemocratic entity to our culture unless we are prepared to fix it for her.
Of course, the West’s feminists are dead silent on that problem.
Don’t go freakin’ on the Muslims my pea-brained friends. Your Christian brothers on the right are not far behind:
http://www.wholesomewear.com/page-3.html
Oddly enough… the Muslims do swimwear better:
http://www.ahiida.com.au/
Seriously though… you guys don’t quite understand how reporting works do you? And you have no idea how these events transpired, or how these photographers felt, or whether or not they were able to do anything.
The whole point of journalism is to interfere. They do so not through direct action, but by bringing the events to the attention of the world.
We in the West can look at these photos and try to come to some sort of understanding what is going on. If journalists were calling in airstrikes, we wouldn’t get this sort of access, and also wouldn’t know what’s happening on the other side.
“Momma Kadhr knows how to play the Canadian system like a violin and is clearly NOT a victim.”
OZ: You miss the point! Momma Kadhr can behave like this BECAUSE she is in Canada and free from political and/or religous retribution. I am sure she would behave completely the opposite in an Islamic country.
Penny: Your point is well taken. I can understand why powers have often banned the Burka or even hijab. It is indeed a sign of oppression and hyper-chauvinism. There also tends to be a direct correlation between Muslim purism, and hijab wear … the more hijab, the more fundamentalist the local Muslim population.
It’s my contention though, that by banning burka’s etc., the movement simply moves underground. There are millions of brutally oppressed women in the west who wear T-shirts, skirts, and shorts. They look completely normal outwardly, yet may be slaves to a brutal husband or even family … or worse yet, organized crime syndicate. Banning the burka for socio/political reasons wouldn’t change a thing for Muslim women; after all, some of the most “progressive”, wear the hijab.
I read recently an interesting fact, from a Canadian Islamic organization. (If I can find the link, I’ll provide it) They claimed that fully half of all Muslim immigrants to North America either become secular or are converted to Christianity. If that’s the case … then our system is working. I won’t get worried unless our government allows massive Muslim immigration, whereby they can form enclaves and begin to create their own Islamic mini-states … like in the EU.
I suppose this is not an issue discussed by our friends the Saudi inter-religious tolerance forum this week — eh!
I suppose this is not an issue discussed by our friends the Saudi’s at their inter-religious tolerance forum this week — eh!
Quote: The whole point of journalism is to interfere. They do so not through direct action, but by bringing the events to the attention of the world.
We in the West can look at these photos and try to come to some sort of understanding what is going on. If journalists were calling in airstrikes, we wouldn’t get this sort of access, and also wouldn’t know what’s happening on the other side.
Posted by: John at July 16, 2008 7:40 PM
Only a coward does nothing whilst women are being murdered in the name of Islam. Sorta like the feminazis and the leftards in Canada John, they do nothing whilst women get raped and murdered in the name of Islam.
In my small town a woman was thrown down a flight of stairs beaten by her Muslim husband and then dragged up the stairs and thrown down again in front of her two sons. She had been in Canada two years and had not been allowed to leave the house in those two years. Her offense, her mother died and she wanted to go home to Saudi Arabia to the funeral, hubby thought she was acting un-Islamic. He told the judge she deserved it because she looked at another MAN, how? She was a prisoner in her own home for two years? This is happening in Canada and the leftards say nothing, the Burka is the sign of radical Islam. They shove their beliefs down our throats, whilst filing complaints at the various HRC across Canada. Welcome to Wahhabi Islam, a cult who has no equal rival for evil against women.
Yet I’m Islamophobic, and they can treat woman like property in Canada legally under the guise of “Religion”. Yet a Christian or a Catholic can’t recite the bible lest it offend a advocate of Homosexuality.
Welcome to Canada, radical Islam has a place in society but Conservatives, Catholics and others aren’t allowed to speak lest we offend those that hate woman.
How many Muslim Women in Canada are living under Wahhabi Islam Law? We’ll never no, the left don’t give a rat’s ass about Muslim Women only Feminazis.
Where are the feminists?
As we all know they are too busy collecting public money and supporting socialist parties to speak up for Arab women. There is a conflict of interest; coincidentally union reps, black activists, environmentalists, publicly funded TV stations and many others are against our role in the ME.
Two tier feminism is what our professional advocates support, equal rights for some, but not for N.American aboriginals or Arab women here or abroad.
“Where are the feminists?”
Yes indeed and well put. I might add this. They have chilled the very innards of much of the CBC male front men . And then there is Bob; he of the bare backside.
Oh, just a little defence of these men- think Judy Rebick.
John: “If journalists were calling in airstrikes”
Then Osama and his murderous henchmen would have no place to hide. Also people would actually trust them and buy their news.
Remember Johnny Maudlin? Well, he probably doesn’t either, but he did write this just last week:
“young Afghani men are being killed for the crime of repelling a foreign invasion of their nation. And we, right here in Canada, are party to the slaughter.”
I posted a comment with the link to the Taliban’s most recent atrocity. He hasn’t yet posted it. Probably too busy to. Yeah, that’s it…
Reading some of the AP photo history it looks like these two woman were being forced to prostitutes to raise money for the Taliban. If so they were set up for this.
People, there are more hookers killed in Detroit Michigan in a year than the Taliban will ever manage to knock off.
mild exaggeration on my part I suppose
Taliban:
I still maintain they need a healthy dose of extermination.
I still maintain they need a healthy dose of extermination.
Yeah Man!