Or, as Kathy Shaidle likes to say, “Journalists – our moral and intellectual superiors!”
(Great work, Richard)
Update: I’m told that CTV.ca has quietly cut the offending portion from the tape on their online site. Not that there was anything wrong with it! **** Update 2: Or did they? Others tell me the segment is now intact.
Sez Fife:
“Oh, but some of my best friends are conservatives.
(But I wouldn’t want my sister to marry one.)”
I am fed up with the endless, endless speculation about ‘When Will There Be An Election’.
From http://www.crichton-official.com/speech-whyspeculate.html
“In recent years, media has increasingly turned away from reporting what has happened to focus on speculation about what may happen in the future. Paying attention to modern media is thus a waste of time.”
Oh dear, now I realize I might have posted this link here before. It’s a good read anyway.
Simon, I am not mad about bobs comment, mad is a feeling, and what I think is that bob uses knuckle-dragger like others use faggot and he does it on a news? program. That makes him a hypocrite posing as a journalist, flinging mud at the viewers. What I want is a media that reports the facts, and puts all the opinion on the editorial page, where it belongs.
No response from Mike Duffy yet.
“Call CTV News Toronto at 416-332-7400 and express your outrage.”
You cannot defame a public interest political party by one members private actions which the public possibly had no right to see unless he gave permission. Give permission…. The peeping Tom at a party.
Is Larbor now wanting to use the possible illicit tape to lever a benefit? This just keeps growing and growing.
What about free speech?
Ahenakew possibly new he was talking to a news reporter who may report what he said. The individuals in this recording possibly had the expectation no one would see the tape. No permission given. Could be spreading hate.
The news has reported the Gay community is up in arms over this tape. The NDP may have built their own case against themselves by releasing the tape. Keep stirring the pot NDP.
Vitruvius,
I must refrain from retorting … as Yoda said “Never post after a few brews having”.
Excellent work CPC soldiers!!! The bigger the spotlight on this mess the more exposure Tom Lukiwski’s comments get. I’ll wager knuckledragger against Lukiwski’s f**got/aids/dirty coming for me comment any day when considering the general electorate.
By all means lets get this repeated as much as possible! Onwards!
Understood, Ural, yet I’m not so sure how far to push that, because as H. L. Mencken said, “The harsh, useful things of the world, from pulling teeth to digging potatoes, are best done by men who are as starkly sober as so many convicts in the death-house, but the lovely and useless things, the charming and exhilarating things, are best done by men with, as the phrase is, a few sheets in the wind.”
Furthermore, as Abraham Lincoln said: “If we take habitual drunkards as a class, their heads and their hearts will bear an advantageous comparison with those of any other class. There seems ever to have been a proneness in the brilliant and warm-blooded to fall in to this vice. The demon of intemperance ever seems to have delighted in sucking the blood of genius and generosity.”
And don’t forget that Mahatma Gandhi said: “Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony.”
All right, that’s far more than enough from me. Thank you very much, Kate, for putting up with my cornering of at least one corner of the market in this thread, fortunately for us all, I don’t have the time to do this too often, which is a good thing because that would quickly become intolerable, or as Rex Murphy would say, ontolerable.
Good night everyone, thank you for your interlocution.
If you want some real fun with the media and Liberanos, go by a number of Liberal memberships and have a class action to get too the bottom of the income trust. Similar to the Harris case. I do not think Goodale will go after the MSM.
How quickly CTV forgets about the big mouth bigot Svend Robinson who wanted the Bible and Quran banned in Canada as hate Literature , then he help kill a disabled female as a favour, and finally was caught on video tape stealing a $60’000.00 piece of jewelry .
Alas….homosexuals aren’t expected to live by the same moral standards as the rest of society and we must pity them because they can’t help it when the use drugs, steal , lie , spew hate , or expose themselves in public to little boys during the annual Pride Parades that don’t display any pride at all .
They display a serious Self-hatred that mocks all homosexuals and merely re-enforces the Medical evidence that Homosexuals have the highest rate of Bi-Polar disorder which leads to the highest rate of prescribed Medication for any self-identified group in society.
But you can’t tell the truth in canada because the HRC is there to prevent the fragile and over-sensitive minorities from being harmed when life’s realities start to disrupt their version of reality where everyone is Right&Wrong at the same time depending on which end of the Bi-Polar stage they are viewing our reality from.
Sooooo conservatives are tight lipped knuckle draggers with latent homophobia but Liberals are pathalogical liars and malfeasant criminals with conflicted interests in their corporate patronage web.
We have a real choice in Canada.
A distorted political commentary from our 4th estate does not make the choice any easier…they are part of the problem
I hate it when journalists openly campaign to be the next Governor-General of Canada.
It’s more than being “mad” about the comments made by Fife, it’s about the fact he has a forum to spout his opinions which goes beyond just reporting.
With his comments he was demeaning and tarnishing all Conservative members and he did it with a sneering smile that said I’m having fun with this one.
At least we don’t have to troll the trash bins of vacated offices to expose the Liberals and Dippers, they’re doing a good job on themselves.
Has everyone sent a complaint to CTV head honcho against Fife and Robertson? JUST DO IT!!
It was quite the act, a nice little skit performed by Bobby with the bait tossed out by Lloyd.
These little skits performed nightly by CTV and CBC talking heads is what the masses are fed as news when they are nothing manipulative journalism. Any banana republic would be proud.
news@ctv.ca
keep on this people.
As a supporter of these “knuckledraggers”, his comments hurt my feelings and was said in a tone that was derogatory to knuckledraggers everywhere.
Isn’t that EXACTLY what he is insinuating happened with Tom L’s comment (is last name is too hard to spell so let’s just call him Tom from now on)
This thread is just full of precious snowflakes insulted by the term knuckle-draggers.
Unfortunately, it’s not the CBC making the comments so they can’t be held to the same standards of say, a member of parliament.
You know what to do, lift those knuckles up onto your keyboard and let the company know how you feel. I’m sure they’re terribly concerned about the ‘get off my lawn’ demographic.
Someone mentioned Svend, he came to a sad end and he was merely a thief. Looks like a few more thieves around, stealing videos from old offices to aid a cause. That’s what this Dipper escapade is all about and the Liberals have latched on like a hungry piglet to score political points. Hypocrites, all of them.
What’s more pathetic? This blatant bias in our MSM or that our left-minded friends don’t see anything wrong with “professional” journalists acting this way and denying that liberal media bias exists.
Arthur A: Us “precious snowflakes” are just as insulted by being called “knuckledraggers” as other “precious snowflakes” are insulted by being called “faggots”.
One group’s “hurt feelings” garners national television exposure and skyrockets of outrage…the other group’s “hurt feelings” garners sneers and snickers from national media. This is hypocritical in the extreme.
Obviously, you have SOME intelligence (as you are apparently able to manipulate a keyboard), so I don’t understand why you cannot see this…”there are none so blind who WILL NOT see”. Twit.
You “conservatives”, each and every one of you, deserves to be banished to the wilderness of politics and have “progressives” run your lives IF you don’t pick up the phone, get that keyboard, and contact CTV or make other noise. For once you’ve been given a golden oportunity to prove, beyond a doubt, how bias the media is. If you don’t take it, you are just a bunch of cranks bitching on the blogs.
My comment clearly is not intended for those of you who have taken an action … which I trust is a lot of you.
reading the comments on this thread is quite depressing indeed – Canada is now beyond repair – how do they get people to live in this country?
I wouldn’t call for his resignation. But I’d certainly inform the voters of his views so they can decide if that’s the guy they want representing them.
You should view the release of this video as a blessing. As you’ve apparently mastered walking upright in public, how else would you identify one another?
As for the hypocrisy claim, I fail to see how it might apply to me. What standard am I holding someone else to that I’m failing to apply to myself or universally?
Att: Robert Fife and CTV news,
To say that my husband and I are outraged is an understatement.
Robert Fife, in one fell swoop by denigrating members of the Conservative party, has shown himself to be a bigot.
He not only vilified the Conservative govt., but he also denigrated Conservative voters who elected these so-called “Knuckle Draggers”.
Are we “Knuckle Draggers” Mr. Fife?
Does he also intend to identify the “other Knuckle Draggers” in the Liberal party?
Our opinion of Mr. Fife is that he is no longer a credible news reporter.
Why?
Because he is spewing hatred towards a group of people.
My letter to Mike Duffy…
Just to let you know Mr. Duffy, I have sent an email to TD Canada Trust Visa, telling them that we will be getting a credit card from another bank.
Why?
Because TD Canada Trust advertises on CTV.
Arthur A, I’ll reprint a post directed at another in a previous thread (something I don’t usually do but the left seems terminally thick…) I’ll even personalize it for you:
“Arthur A, why is it every time a lefty joins the conversation, we have to lower the level of academic discourse so low so that you are able to understand what is being discussed?
Let me remind you of a basic analysis tenet that, apparently, no liberal understands: “Correlation does not equal causation”. Holding opposing views on social issues does not a priori lead to anything more than holding opposing views. Escalation of opposing viewpoints to violence is a consequence of many factors, including suppression of those opposing viewpoints.
This discussion isn’t about the content of inappropriate speech, its about who gets to decide what it is, and whose standard applies. We are rejecting the left claim, your claim, to priority of the decision.
I am comfortable in saying that if you polled ALL Canadians, you will find that the majority will find the practice of homosexuality offensive. Equally, you will likely find the majority of Canadians will agree, somewhat begrudgingly, that left to their own devices, its no one else’s business. This is a belief shared by most about most things.
I also know, with absolute certainty, that virtually every individual, in the privacy of their own lives, expresses what can be defined as a bigotry about some one or group, at one time or another, on more than one occasion. Bigotry is colour-blind, independent of religion, race, creed or sexual orientation. It exists in us all. It is an undeniable, un-reformable characteristic of being a human animal. It is the unassailable consequence of our tribal will to survive.
What is at argument here, is your assumed right to define, for a group that disagrees with you, who is going to set the standard, and in doing so, you claim a superior right to use the very techniques of bigotry to assert that standard. Is the fundamental hypocrisy not clear to you? Are you so intellectually dogmatic as to not recognize the double standard? Or is this really not about equalities, but rather about simply the application of your tribal bigotry over others?
The left’s characterization of people who do not agree with them as “knuckle-draggers”, pejoratively as “racists” and “bigots” (usually used incorrectly and out of context), is as offensive to as many as the terms “faggot” and “kike” are to others. You have no moral pedestal to stand on. You are no less “racist”, “bigoted” or “neanderthalic” then the people you seem to hate.
This is the great failing of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and the Constitution, and why they are defective documents. Neither preserves rights; rather, they entrench institutionalized racism, bigotry, and ultimately, hatred. That’s what these discussions are about. Repatriation of the constitution was not a victory for Canada, it was the acceptance of a blueprint for its destruction.”
If you’re calling to complain, don’t forget your local affiliate. Call their news director and let them know how sick you are of it. It’s important that the complaints come up the chain in addition to being sent directly to the national office.
Letters and phone calls are better than deletable emails, I think.
And especially complain to the Broadcast Standards Council – the follow-up process they have to go through is at least a nuisance, and may in fact be productive. Best to send that complaint in writing…
“You have no moral pedestal to stand on. You are no less “racist”, “bigoted” or “neanderthalic” then the people you seem to hate.”
Well, I do have a moral compass. But it doesn’t direct me to treat everyone with love and compassion. It tells that the anti-gay community is fit only for mockery and derision.
The fact that a bigot might call me a bigot, simply because I don’t have some universal moral truths that I can throw at them, doesn’t really concern me.
You think I assume I have a right to define for everyone, which I don’t. I assume I have a right to define for myself, which I do. And I apply it as I do now, by sharing in the laughter and derision that is currently being applied to a group of people with raw knuckles and feelings.
You also think I claim a right to priority in the discussion. Why you think that I have no idea. As I said, I’m glad his comments have been made public. It provides and opportunity to choose sides. To condemn and defend. If he gets re-elected then you’ve won, and the anti-gay crowd will continue to have a say in the discussion. If he does not get re-elected then, perhaps there aren’t as many of you as you think.
If I believed you didn’t have a right to partake in the discussion I’d claim that anti-gay speech is hateful, and try to use Canadian laws to prevent you from saying it. But I don’t. Instead I call you ignorant and laugh in your general direction.
Ah, Arthur, this thread is about Bob Fife, not Tom. The post is about faux moral superiority, which is the mantle the left wears. As for what Tom Lukiwski said 17 years at a drunken party, I could care less. It simply has no relevance today. And you know what? I don’t care about what Tom Lukiwski thinks privately today about gays. Or you for that matter. I know that lefties like you think all conservatives are knuckle draggin’ bigots, so why should I give a damn about what you think? You certainly don’t concern yourself with what might be hurtful to conservatives. Its when you (reinforced by the MSM) seem to think that the state should take unilateral action that I get my knickers in a knot. I fully expect to see as much boot embedded in the ass of bigoted lefties as I do that of the right.
At least “knuckle draggers” are somewhat further along the evolutionary scale than moonbats.
I venture we’ll be seeing less of Robert Fife. Look at Kinsella’s fall into irrelevance.
Here’s the Broadcast Standards Council site for registering a complaint:
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/complaint/index.php
Everyone reading this should file one.
Skip, your post implies that you can’t be a conservative unless you’re anti-gay. I’ve already stated here that I agree and support those who would call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers. Even Bob Fife didn’t go so far as to call all conservatives knuckle-draggers. He said there are some.
I didn’t realize the post was about the left’s faux moral superiority supported by the MSM. I thought it was about the supposed hypocrisy of calling the anti-gay crow knuckle-draggers. As one who feels quite happy doing so, I was hoping to have the hypocritical nature explained to me.
But as I don’t feel a sense of moral superiority, nor do I wish to engage the state in shutting down opposing views, I can see that your comments and the intent of this post is directed at others.
Thank you for that Finn.
Oh, and those of you making claims under the Canadian Broadcast Standards, what is the basis for the claim? I mean, other than just being offender what part of the code did Bob’s reporting violate?
Here’s the link to the code.
http://www.cbsc.ca/english/codes/epc.php#clause1
I’d try to claim privilege under the category of mental disability if I were you.
Thanks, Finn, for providing the Broadcast Standards Council (BSC) site.
To make a complaint, one needs to provide the following information:
“1) the name, date and time of the program
2) the name or call letters of the broadcaster”
Could someone provide that information here? If I have time, I’ll look for it and post. But maybe someone already has the information.
Thanks.
P.S. When I spoke on the phone last evening to the CTV person who refused to identify himself, even by his first name–altogether unprofessional–I was not informed that someone would respond to my complaint as the BSC suggests should happen. I’ll mention this in my complaint.
Arthur, my post implies nothing of the sort. Again, you still don’t get the fundamental hypocrisy. I don’t call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers, nor do I believe I should. If that were true I’d have license to call the gay crowd something publicly, and I don’t. That’s the hypocrisy. Its simply not appropriate for Robert Fife to refer to any member of Canadian society as “knuckle-draggers” (or faggots or anything else) – not in a public forum on a public airway. If the left sees a rationalization for this, then they don’t understand their own moral outrage, nor do they understand any concept of equality. They’re simply parading their own sense of “moral” superiority. How much clearer can we make this?
Whoops, I know the answer to #2: CTV, right!? (But I don’t know the call letters.)
Good work Lookout, if we keep up with the complaints, at the very least it will be documented.
I sent my complaint without all the pertinent info,but I am sure that they know exactly which broadcast is being referred.Go for it,but don’t expect much.
Skip, I’ve really appreciated your posts here. I understand and empathize with your frustration re the posts from a certain lefty.
I believe, from unhappy experience with people close to me, that the brains of lefties are ideologically schlerotic—scarred. There are parts of their brains where logic and truth simply cannot implant. The utopian lies they’ve been fed by our overlords and have willingly digested have disfigured their brains, as well as making them quite inflexible and, certainly, intolerant.
This is sad, and dangerous, because these people are willing dupes—useful idiots—of the most craven power mongers, like the Liberal Party and the MSM of Canada.
Skip: How much clearer can we make this?
I don’t know. I think the only reason you still see some hypocritical stance in me is because you’re atttributing beliefs to me that I don’t have. For instance, unlike you, I think you do “have license to call the gay crowd something publicly”. If I thought otherwise, then I’d either believe that people have some inherent right not to be offended or being anti-gay was tatamount to a hate crime (talk about claiming moral privilege!). All of us have a right to denigrate and decry that which we find offensive. Similarly, we all have a right to promote and publicly state that which we believe. The mere fact that others may find yours, or my beliefs offensive, is irrelevant.
This is what I believe at any rate. I’m perfectly aware that laws and codes of conduct disagree with me. For instance, that code of broadcasting conduct says you can’t call the gay community a bunch of faggots. There doesn’t seem to be any protection for the anti-gay community being called knuckle-draggers.
I’m not quite sure why you’re not grasping how my stance is not hypocritical. Each “side” should be allowed to say what they want, and each “side” should respond. These are my beliefs. They don’t describe the current situation, where one side is prevented from speaking. But I’m not responsible for the laws and the code of conduct, I’m responsible for my actions and my beliefs. I would agree with you if you said “people who call the anti-gay crowd knuckle-draggers” are hypocrites because they support laws that prevent the anti-gay crowd from calling the gay community “faggots”.
As you see, however, I am not one of those people. I think we ought to resort to counter arguments, mockery, boycotts, etc. I think we ought to shut up the anti-gay crowd by rallying supporters, electing people who share our views, protesting anti-gay events and businesses. I think you have a right to do the same. I think it is a very conservative idea to try and freeze culture. And passing laws and code of conducts that enshrine a particularly morality at a particularly point of time, is just that, an attempt to freeze culture.
This is some of ctv’s sponsers:
– CHIP Home Income Plan
– http://www.BuyListen.ca
– Rogers home phone
– Fusion blades,Gillette
– Mazda.ca
– TD Canada
– Grey Power{insurance]
– Selsun Blue
– Gaviscon[acid reflux]
– Canadian Tire[jump start]
I’m starting to contact these companies to inform them that I will be boycotting their products and urging like minded individuals to do the same.
Thank you, Me No Dhimmi, for the motivation. .
Send an Email like this to CTV using their ** FEEDBACK** at the bottom of their [closed] comments page.
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ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080404/lukiwski_tape_080404/20080404?hub=Canada
CTV and Lloyd Robertson can not take this back:
* * And didn’t you just love Lloyd’s painfully obvious leading question: **So, Robert, do you think this is PM Harper’s worst nightmare?** INSTEAD of say, **Robert, do you think this will have a negative impact on the CPC**? * *
CTV, agents for destruction of the Conservative Party of Canada?
I will be contacting your sponsors. You can bet they are not your partners in this project of destructive party politics.
We have a free vote in Canada for a reason.
CTV deserves to face lawsuits and huge fines with conditions on CRTC license.
Is it normal to publicize a stolen private partytime video tape? Do you have a signed release from the owner? = TG
PS: this Email is also posted to major blogsites. = TG
Arthur A: It is YOU who has the reading comprehension problem. The reference to hypocrisy was in my response to you, wherein I stated:
“One group’s “hurt feelings” garners national television exposure and skyrockets of outrage…the other group’s “hurt feelings” garners sneers and snickers from national media. This is hypocritical in the extreme.”
The charge of hypocrisy was NOT levelled at YOU directly, yet off you march to fight a phantom battle.
However, I suspect that you ARE hypocritical. I suspect that you DO believe it is unacceptable to refer to homosexuals as “faggots” and DO believe it is acceptable to refer to SOME MYTHICAL Conservatives as being “knuckledraggers” (I say “some mythical conservatives” because you lefties say they exist, but can never point one out). Both terms are equally derogatory, yet I suspect that you won’t see it that way. So, I suspect that hypocrite will be an appropriate label for you, after all.
And I repeat…twit.
Fife’s comments are more of the usual unprofessional MSM. ArthurA, Fife says “some” conservative members are knuggledraggers and social conservatives who have to be shut up by PMO, lest their views come out, which are supposedly damaging to Tories (their “worst nightmare”) and the Canadian psyche alike. He does this all without naming one individual (He could have least given other examples).
I saw this clip on CTV and, frankly, I just shook my head at the easy way Fife slags Tories while saying the Lukiwiski matter has been dealt with. It’s not about hypocrisy at all. Whatever, who cares what people think, and who cares if some journalist betrays their bias. That makes them incompetent, not hypocritical.
“It is YOU who has the reading comprehension problem.”
Are you implying that I’ve accused someone in this thread of having a reading comprehension problem?
“The charge of hypocrisy was NOT levelled at YOU directly, yet off you march to fight a phantom battle.”
I wrote that, “As for the hypocrisy claim, I fail to see how it might apply to me. What standard am I holding someone else to that I’m failing to apply to myself or universally?”
You’re response is that you weren’t calling me a hypocrite. Ok. Good to know. Except that, you then go on and say I’m probably a hypocrite if I believe your laundry list of things.
I didn’t read it too closely, but it seemed to pretty much represent what I believe in terms of what’s acceptable and what is not. The fact that you believe these beliefs make me a hypocrite means:
A) My question about whether or not the hypocrisy charge was levelled against me was valid
B) You don’t seem to have followed the discussion with skip too closely, since it contained a great deal about how I might believe those things and not be considered a hypocrite.
“Whatever, who cares what people think, and who cares if some journalist betrays their bias. That makes them incompetent, not hypocritical’
Either way, who cares? The only thing that matters is rubbing Fife’s nose in his own pool of piss.
I’m getting bloody sick of effete, girly-voiced pansy-assed journalists like Fife sitting on thier lazy, drunken, asses safe in their news rooms taking snotty, elitist shots at social conservatives.
It’s time for a little payback.
Arthur A, your contortions and convolutions are dizzying…and pathetic.
Sorry Kate…I’ll stop now. What part of don’t feed the trolls don’t I understand!