We don’t know what the future will bring, but so far the period between May and November 2007 ranks as one of the most dramatic changes in the perception of a war that we’ve experienced.
And if the past is any guide, there will be fundamental political adjustments from the trivial of pundits repositioning themselves by simple silence about the war, or suggestions they were never really anti-war, or that the improvements came only because of their principled criticism — to the fundamental of having the entire leadership of the Democratic either ignore Iraq, claim the victory was not worth the commensurate cost of the last four plus years, or take proprietorship over Gen. Petraeus’s success — anything other than demanding a timetable for complete withdrawal with an admission of de facto defeat in the manner of the now infamous NY Times editorial.
Where were they then? – AJStrata takes a look back at the Champions Of Defeat.
Don Surber – “Blaming the media for victory”. That’s one you don’t hear very often.
where does Taliban jack stand now that we are winning?
a real good journalist on CBCpravda would ask him that question.
back to lies by omission.
Great second link. Liked this paragraph:
“It was, and still is, an abhorrent symbiosis which proves why we need to stop politics at the edge of our borders. al-Qaeda kept on killing because each time they did kill the Dems ran to a pliant SurrenderMedia and claimed all was lost in Iraq. Each time a vote or major Congressional event was upcoming al-Qaeda would slaughter thousands to help emphasize the Dems’ message of doom and gloom. It was a terrible enabling role the Dems played, inviting hope for al-Qaeda and training them like Pavlov’s dog to kill for media attention, right on cue.”
The Champions of Defeat will probably forget about Iraq and move on to other areas, such as Pakistan-Afghanistan.
They will pick up their Mind-Template, which has the sentence: ‘X is the fault of the USA/Bush’ engraved on it, and march right over to Pakistan. They’ll slip the new word ‘Pakistan/Afghanistan’ in to replace ‘X’…and they are back in their business of doom and American Sin.
So then after all, the time frame in Iraq is very similar to that of the de-Nazification period after WWII in Germany.
Only difference was that back then, the marginal international socialist voices did not control the media like they do now, making sure that their agenda is forefront in everyone’s mind.
Talk about blatant propaganda efforts…and now watch the trolls come out from under their rocks.
I wouldn’t declare Mission Accomplished yet not by a long shot.
Premature celebration almost always ends up in embarrassment ……. but it seems that contrary to the defeatist/loser mentality … actually fighting to win and using enough force to do it has been shown to work.
Also contrary to the moonbat sect … Bush = right about most things.
That’s right Jose, not until Iraqis have SSM and a nanny state government to cater their drug addicts’ every need and all they teach children in school is about their self esteem.
No, it’s not Mission accomplished yet – but it sure isn’t the abyssmal mission failure that people, some here at SDA, were assuring us was the case. In fact, failure was the undisputable truth.
So, all those that were citing nothing but doom and gloom, can you at least now agree that things are taking a turn for the better.
Don’t worry, even if you could agree that one of Bush’s policies has a remote chance of success, it won’t make you a Bush-lacky in my eyes.
I saw this article today which said that ousting the taliban saved the lives of almost 90,000 children in Afghanistan. If we had listened to Taliban Jack, these children would have been destined to die.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-11-04-afghanistanhealth_N.htm?csp=34
Great articles Kate. I wonder if now we’ll be treated to another 3 page editorial in the NYTimes by Michael Ignatieff explaining how the only time he was wrong about Iraq was when he thought he was wrong but was actually right?
Jose, no much too early to declare victory. Iraq is not part of the intergenerational war on terrorism.
You must admit, this could be a bit of a coup for the Republicans. First, Bush invades Iraq on pretext of WMD operational capability, which proves to be totally false, despite which he wins re-election. Now, even though US forces still there three and a half years later, Republicans get cover of turnaround in Iraq and the defeat of AQ there. So far, all the Democrats seems able to offer is Obama on SNL and Hillary tripping over her own tongue.
How do the Democrats let them do this.
You are all delusional.
And with that kind of evidence, Graeme, what’s to keep us from not believing you are delusional?
Graeme,
I’ll pretend you didn’t say that.
Nice line from the third link:
“What a fun world that Bunting must live in. All the evil of the world resides at 10 Downing Street and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue — and only she can see it.”
Only she and a gazillion other “free-thinking” lefties, who would rejoice if Iraq dissolved in carnage just so they could be proved right. Thing is, Iraqis have turned on the people causing the carnage and guess what, it’s not the Americans . . .
If all Bunting and her pals’ theories about Bush and Co. were true, they’d be dead. Or jailed. And Mecca and Tehran would be a sea of glass.
So keep driving around with your bumper stickers, you brave speakers of truth to power. You’re so brave you only dare speak “truth” to a power that does nothing to you. Continue to hero-worship Michael Moore, the Dixie Chicks and George Clooney as they parade their brave stance against their president, complete with adoring fans and awards on their shelves. I’m sure all the dissidents jailed in Castro’s Cuba, poisoned or jailed in Putin’s Russia, slaving in labour camps in China, robbed of property by Chavez, etc. etc. are all agog in admiration of your bumper stickers and slammin’ blog comments.
I’m waiting for the CBC to show the latest news from Iraq.
Waiting … still waiting … still waiting.
Putting the two together – MSM focus on the downside and the actual record in Iraq – yields something geopolitical in scope: no more can MSM denizens be lobbied to get the American military out of a war. They no longer have sufficient influence, even as parts of an institution. Also, they’ll no longer have the presumption of belief on their side now that the real score is out – except for those who bent with the facts in the present conflict.
I wonder how many other enemies the U.S. military will have to clobber before this point gets across to the world’s rogue nations.
Jose, no much too early to declare victory. Iraq is not part of the intergenerational war on terrorism.
Wrong!
Iraq will be the staging ground for the upcoming invasion of Iran. This has always been the stategy; but like Jack said “you can’t handle the truth”
Actually Jon, that is a typo, I should have said Iraq is NOW part of the intergenerational war on terrorism. That’s what I meant, so I guess we agree.