And who’s kidding whom? The University of Toronto would be first in the lineup behind them.
More – “What is moral blindness but the inability to tell right from wrong, friend from enemy, love from hate? And what is moral deafness but a man who can hear words and never understand their meaning?”
I say no problem. Its a free country, Columbia can invite whoever they want. Let the A-man speak.
But no NYPD escort, no armed Iranian security thugs, no US gubmint limo, no helicopter air support…
Same as if I went to speak. Let the sumbich catch a cab outside his hotel like the rest of us.
That’s fair, right? Red carpets are for the leaders of -friendly- nations.
Slightly off topic, I went to PT school in upstate NY where the socialist love is so thick you can smear it on a bagel.
In the staff parking lot one of the secretaries had the best bumper sticker I ever saw before or since.
“Buy a gun. Piss off a Liberal.”
“in an atmosphere of mutual respect and tolerance”
Who says that in order to have free speech the speakers must respect and tolerate the views of other speakers?
Obviously in this case, the dissenting academics neither respect nor tolerate Mr. Pipes views.
So, it comes down to, “we strongly support speech which we approve of”.
These people have no understanding of propaganda. “Debate” all you want but what they’ll see on AlJazeera, on France2, on Sky, and on CNN International is heavily edited video of the two or three pro-Iran questioners and Imadinnerjacket looking like a statesman.
These people are the very definition of useful idiots.
Pass along Dean Clueless’s invitation to Osama bin Laden. This could get interesting.
I did a search on Daniel Pipes.
A site called Sourcewatch doesn’t like him,eh.?
GDW:
What if “Beelzebub” himself shows up, after all we are living in, according to the Iranian intelligencia, “The Great Satan”.
It would make for some interesting rhetorical discussions.
NYC dwellers might put up some banners inscribed:
“WELCOME TO HADES!”
and from Dante’s Inferno
“ABANDON ALL HOPE YE WHO ENTER!”
I think it is always fatal to lose your sense of humor.
On the other hand they might pray that HELL does not come.
Cheers
Commander in Chief
Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7
(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Well it’s a good thing that Oktoberfest started today!
If Hitler would be invited to Columbia, what would it be without a good Munich BEERHALL PUTSCH!?!
PS Duck when the bullets start flying.
Cheers
& PROSIT!
Commander in Chief
Frankenstein Battalion
2nd Squadron: Ulanen-(Lancers) Regiment Großherzog Friedrich von Baden (Rheinisches) Nr.7
(Saarbrucken)
Knecht Rupprecht Division
Hans Corps
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
Hans:
Jogged my memory.
A leading National Socialist was scheduled to appear in New York before WWII.
Then-mayor La Guardia agreed to provide security.
He then asked for Jewish volunteers from the New York City police force to protect him.
Former Gotham mayor Ed Koch revealed this little-known tactic earlier this week during a discussion as to who should provide protection to Ahmedjinidad when he spoke at Columbia University this Monday.
I think the US should leave the border security down at a couple crossings so Mossad can accidentally enter and do what it does best.
Interesting. I take it people here don’t necessarily like President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. You would think they would at least like to hear what he has to say. After all, he is a conservative, which makes him a right-winger’s kind of guy.
albatross,
Opinions on far left sites range from tacitly embracing to openly supporting Ahmadinjad. Whereas the conservative sites abound with condemnation of him generally and are outraged about his potential presence at ground zero.
Sorry, but that rotting stench you on the left have aquired by your support of that madman cannot be as easily exercised as you’ve attempted with your little quip.
No, the alliance between the left and radical Islam has been well documented for all to see.
While the fall of the Berlin wall and the Eastern European regimes was the beginning of the end, this despicable alliance with an ideological movement that seeks the destruction of the Western world will be the nail in the leftists’ coffin.
Have a nice night.
Historically the left have tied their fortunes to loosers. Hitler, Mao, Chavez, Lenin, etc.
Lefties will always be behind the curve and continue to finish last.
Re: “Lefties will always be behind the curve and continue to finish last.”
Uh, actually ML, most lefties never manage to finish at all.
Amazing to see such solidarity, like Lemmings following each other over the cliff.
Need any more proof of the Leftist cesspools in our halls of higher learning?
“Need any more proof of the Leftist cesspools in our halls of higher learning? ”
Funny Liz. Didn’t we used to call them gulags,re-education camps,indoctrination training?
Alby you haven’t signed the Euston Manifesto yet have you?Go and do it and then let us know what your real name is so we can all go and have a look.
I remember all the people objecting to Kissenger, Netanyahu and others. It does only work one way.
Anyway, Imdeadinajihad can speak. Dont care, it says more about Columbia than it does about him.
alb39, i am a conservative , a asshat is an evil islamic jihadist. when will you people (lefties) realize that evil exists. stop connecting islam with anything other than islam.
What’s to debate??? They got oil we want…they have unstable leadership that yanks our chain by funding terrorists and paying us against China and Russia…our media and politicians have demonized them setting them up for invasion….let’s get on with it and stop playing these silly theatrical games…as if some snoid from a mooslim backwater will talk his way out of a well deserved nuking…the arrogance!
Chavez next then on to Korea….and the draft!
Albatross – you’ve provided us with a sterling example of your ignorance of basic facts about political ideologies – and reality.
Ahmadinejad is not a conservative; he’s a leftist, a socialist. Like you.
He rejects the basic axioms of conservative ideology, namely, the promotion of individual actions and responsibilities, the use of reason, the rejection of decisions based on emotion, promotion of free enterprise, capitalism, the notion of responsibilities for those in need.
He, instead, supports groupism, the rejection of individual free speech, actions and thought, the rejection of dissent. He operates by emotion, by fear-mongering, by threats rather than reason. His mode of governance is the big welfare state, with full gov’t control over the economy, people, business, etc.
So- he’s more like you, albatross, one of the few resident leftists on this blog.
Why NOT invite him to Columbia? Because, like almost all people on the left, he is unable and unwilling to engage in debate, to support his ideas with facts and reason. He’ll preach, he’ll pontificate, he’ll threaten. Now – why is offering a pulpit to an irrational preacher a good thing?
Alby lifted his scaly head did he?
Alby’s got an intellectual brother in Amadinnerjacket. They both want to decrease the surplus population.
Of the two, Alby’s got the bigger dream. A-man just wants to kill the Jews, but Alby wants to de-populate a whole friggin’ continent.
Alby is really good at being a Lefty. He knows that when you’re a tyrant, history remembers you for your body count.
I don’t even know why anybody responds to the stupid birds comments.
The thing always lands in a beak first summersault as their type is want to. It can’t entertain a thought for more than 2 seconds, so providing reason is a waste.
Given the comparisons to Hitler, I wouldn’t be surprised if President Imabeetlebrow – or “Socrates of the 3rd millenium”, as he refers to himself now – meets with a bullet rather than leftist Columbia students.
Columbia University dean John Coatsworth says if Hitler were in the United States he’d find “plenty of platforms from which to speak.”
And Columbia would be one of them; they would “certainly invite him.”
So there you go.
The Hollywood Dream Part 1
Once all nations are joined together and the fighting has stopped.
Once there are no more borders and silly laws for everything.
Once there are no more taxes to pay for governments to do infrastructure and welfare because everything will be free.
Once there is only one committee running the planet and making sure we don’t pollute our world.
We will finally have peace among nations. And then we will be free to enjoy the anarchy, starvation and disease that comes with it.
Once no one has the obligation or opportunity to work or create anything we can sleep late.
Once brutal street gangs run local matters. We shall finally have peace we have waited for.
——————————
Watch for World Peace 2 “No more Infidels” coming to theater near you.
Watch for World Peace 3 “No more Muslims” (in Chinese only) coming soon to theaters where there are Chinese people … which will be pretty much everywhere.
We will not be in Kansas anymore.
But try to find a public forum at Columbia that can argue that teachers and students can be armed for self-defence on campus. Or even a public forum to argue that all Americans should be armed for self-defence.
Odd that they’ll provide a forum for avowed mass murderers, but not mass defenders…
The defining factors between Left and Right are continually morphing.
Presently I would describe them as follows
Left = completely insane
Right = completely bewildered regarding the Left.
Hollywood got one thing right long ago when they called a movie “It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World”.
Isn’t Columbia the school that prevents the ROTC from recruiting on campus? Hypocritical, to say the least.
Isn’t Columbia the school that prevented Gilchrist from speaking? Hypocritical, to say the least.
I don’t agree with prohibiting anyone from taking part in a debate. Allowing extremists to simply propagandize is not a good idea, as there are always intellectually vacant people in any society who will see them as a hero.
“A formal debate is a contest between two sides to see which one has more skill in speaking and reasoning”.
Invite Ahmadinejad, and Hitler in 1936, if it were possible to time travel, to DEBATE in any venue, but ONLY if they are willing to DEBATE!
And line up the best of the opposition to do the debating, then let the world see how bankrupt the ideas of the tyrants really is. Ahmadinejad versus the brightest of the Jewish community, would look like Churchill versus Howdy Doody.
And Al-Jazeera would undoubtedly edit their version of the debate to show Mahmoud in a kindly light, but the truth would be out there, for all to see, on Youtube.
And after the chat is over, be prepared to turn matters over to the military, and let them do their job, unfettered by political appeasers.
I’d kinda like to see A-man “debate” George Bush mano a mano with pointed sticks. Trial by combat has a long and illustrious history, and its SO much easier on the peasantry. That’d be us.
My money’s on George. He’s got the reach on A-man, big time.
Your commentator “Belmont Club” says that in 1942 Churchill wanted to defeat Hitler. That’s true. But for many years prior to that, he was far more sympathetic to HItler and to fascism generally. He had considerable (and sympathetic) contact with Mosley, the leader of the BUF (British Union of Fascists), for example.
ET – you’ve provided us with a sterling example of your ignorance of basic facts about political ideologies – and reality.
Stick to semiotics.
Well, if that’s true exile, there may be hope for you developing rational thought as well.
But it’s likely you’re revising history to your own ends, as most leftists do. Are you not confusing Churchill with Chamberlain?
I’ve read much about Churchill. Never was it mentioned that he sympathized with corporal Hitler.
ET at September 23, 2007 9:08 AM
“He, instead…”
“supports groupism”- Here it’s called the christian church
“the rejection of individual free speech actions and thought”- That’s pretty right-wing of course
“the rejection of dissent”- Ohio State
“He operates by emotion, by fear-mongering”- Oh and Bush and Harper don’t http://www.thestar.com/News/article/258949
There’s a new term running around these days, it’s called “fear capitalism”. It’s a system invented by conservatives.
“by threats rather than reason”- Right and what is the difference with Harper wanting to fill the prisons to rid the country of violent crime? Isn’t that implied threat? Wouldn’t reason be to fix why violent crimes are being committed in the first place?
“His mode of governance is the big welfare state”-Ok so no conservative is perfect, (none really come close to perfection anyway, so no surprise there) in this case the people do benefit from something.
“with full gov’t control over the economy, people, business, etc.”- Ah the right-wing wet dream. Well what’s one to do when you have oil and are viewed as a threat by country with 650 billion dollar defence budget that’s run by Christian Zionists and that has a major military force on your western border? You have to make sure you keep that evil outside influence out of you country I guess. He’s sounding more conservative every time I think about him. In the US it’s the Mexicans and Muslims that are portrayed as the bad influence. In Iran it’s American culture they are trying to keep out in favour of their religion.
Well when you think of it and you throw in the intolerance and his stance on religion, you’re right, he’s no a conservative, he’s a neoconservative.
For that matter, exile, given your lack of rational thinking, your mind is obviously inadequate to comprehend Churchill.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and stick to rabble or kos. The water is more shallow there, you should do fine.
albatros,
Sounds like you’ve got more in common with the islamofascist Imadinnerjacket – or as he now likes to call himself – “Socrates of the 3rd millenium.”
Perhaps you should do a beak first tumble into Iran. I’m sure they’d be at least entertained.
irwin daisy at September 23, 2007 5:04 PM
“Sounds like you’ve got more in common with…”
Oh please tell, how do you figure that?
exile – you haven’t the foggiest idea what semiotics means; you have no idea of my research base – so don’t even attempt to go that route. That way, exile, leads to nowhere for someone like you.
If you want to dissent with me, exile, then, don’t pontificate – ie, just present your conclusion – deal with my statements point by point. That includes my outline of political ideologies. Rebut it, exile or ….
albatros – what a stupid thing to say – that a socialist political mode is akin to a church. Yes, both are focused around the church. But, the church, albatross has no political authority. Its basic axioms, which are metaphysical, are very different from democratic basic axioms, which are not metaphysical and are legislated and created by the people. That’s why, in our democracies, there is a separation of church and state. Because the knowledge base is completely different.
Now, albatross – have you learned that basic fact yet?
Sheesh, albatross, you don’t know the different between right and left political ideologies, do you? The ‘right’ supports individualism. OK? The right, albatross, is not equivalent to totalitarianism – which is, I’m sure, the error you have fallen into. Totalitarianism is neither left nor right. It’s an authoritarian mode. That’s all. It has nothing to do with right or left ideologies. OK? Learned something else?
No, emotional manipulation is a key tactic of the left, albatross. Witness the Liberals with their ‘The Country is Breaking Up’; and they and the left with Kyotoism. Neither Harper nor Bush operate that way.
Harper wants to fill the prisons to prevent violent crime? I think you need some lessons in basic reasoning, albatross. Harper wants to make crime a risky business for the criminal.Yep – that’s a threat. How? By increasing the risks and reducing the benefits. Risks? Prison terms. Benefits? Very little.
At the moment, albatross, there are few risks involved in criminality. Robbery, rape, beatings, drugs – you are out in a day on bail. And zip, off you go and into the same criminal economy. After all, it’s a lucrative business. No taxes. Lots of money. Risky – but -if you get into a gang, the gang protects you. So, albatross, how would you deal with the mounting beatings, robberies, drive by shootings, drugs? Hmmm?
Oh, for cat’s sake, albatross, don’t tell me you’ve fallen for the ‘crimes are only created by people who were abused as children, or, people who are poor, or people who were teased and mocked. Ohhh, the meanness. If none of that had happened, why, these people who all be living behind white picket fences and mowing their lawns and…Albatross the Cloud Dweller. Yoo hoo. Wake up and get down from the Clouds.
People CHOOSE lives of crime – because it is economically viable. No years and years of schooling; you get into it early – and get returns early. No dealing with 9-5, no jealous coworkers, no bosses. And extremely lucrative. And, in our Canada, the risks are low, low. Get caught? Tough- you’re right out on bail. People CHOOSE these lives, albatross. Being yelled at as a kid doesn’t mean that you become an adult criminal. People aren’t machines, they make choices.
albatross – the communist system of full gov’t control is economically disastrous. You are, quite frankly, irrational. The USA is not run by Christian Zionists and it is outrageous stupid for you do even suggest that.
I gather that you support Islamic Sharia Law, stoning of women, public hangings, no dissent allowed? That’s the Albatross we know – a fervent admirer of the Islamic fascism!
Ahmadinejad isn’t a convervative, you twit. You haven’t the foggiest notion what the term means. I am guessing that you think it means ‘authoritarian’. Sheesh. Go do some serious reading.
Do you know why the US is against the Mexicans? Oh, I know, you think the Americans are just ‘mean people’. Do you think it could have anything to do with the Mexicans offloading their entire lower class onto the US – which has to support them with schools, hospitals, roads, services – and they dont’ pay a penny in taxes for this? Hmmm? 12 million illegal Mexicans? Do you think that could be the reason?
Albatross – I don’t think I’ve come across anyone as misinformed and unwilling to think as you – in a very long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBCqap6w63M&mode=related&search=
Alby you should view this Monty Python sketch, it reminded me of your handle.
You are cooked just like Christmas Turkey dinner! 🙂
ET: Thank you, for your kind and gentle roasting.
Next time we’ll pluck the feathers. 🙂
Cheers
Wonder if Macleans magazine consulted Alby for their cover picture this week of George Bush imposed as Saddam Hussein? I’ve canceled my subscription over it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_D7WtOHZd0&mode=related&search=
I thought Hitler visiting England was already done by Monty Python.
But then truth is stranger than fiction.
Cheers
Liz J:
Macleans has just proven what monumental idiots they are.
Macleans goes MAD magazine puerile.
Caricatures trotted out as news.
For SERIOUS readers only.
I think I’ll stick to my Foreign Affairs mag, as I don’t have to stumble into Macleans intellectual fecal matter.
Yeeeeehaw!
Just got back from killin’ me some terrorists in downtown Tarawna… well, actually, I wasn’t really killing terrorists, I was arguing with some islamofascistcommienazi… well, actually, I wasn’t really arguing, I was posting in a web forum about what stupid moonbats all those Toronto socialists are… okay, I wasn’t really posting, I was just sitting around, thinking about how the world would be a great place if everyone was like Charles Johnson.
Anyways, back to important matters…
“Totalitarianism is neither left nor right. It’s an authoritarian mode.”
wait a minute, I thought that totalitarianism is a left-wing idea? I thought Hitler was a leftist?
“No, emotional manipulation is a key tactic of the left, albatross.”
So all of the constant reminders of “links” between “Iraq” and “9/11”, and the reminders of Saddam’s links to some washed up terrorists, and documentary’s on PBS mentioning supposed training of airplane hijackers in Iraq, wasn’t emotional manipulation?
Hey ET, I’d like to ask you a seriously question: do you actually think that Canada will become a country ruled by sharia law? Will people like you and I be subjected to beheadings? Have you ever been to Toronto, or even had an acquaintance who wasn’t white before?
self-loving (what a name; says a lot about you).
Totalitarianism is a mode of governance, that insists on total control by an autocratic leader or hierarchy. It is not, in itself, a left or right set of policies, but a mode of governance. Got that?
It is usually found in socialist/communist systems because these systems and their policies subordinate the individual to the authority of the state and thus, totalitarianism is a mode that works well with such an ideology.
Hitler was most certainly a ‘leftist’, in his fascist focus on the primacy of the group – the hereditary group in his case. And the mode of authority that he used to govern his state, was totalitarian. Get the difference?
No, reminders of 9/11 aren’t emotional manipulation. They are reminders of factual events. The same way we have remembrance day; the same way that we remember the end of WWII, and so on. The fact that we also have emotions about these historic facts, isn’t emotional manipulation. Emotional manipulation is instilling fear and hate without cause.
Your final paragraph of questions are too stupid and childish to merit an answer.
I see loathsome is back. Eew.
“Hitler was most certainly a ‘leftist’, in his fascist focus on the primacy of the group – the hereditary group in his case. totalitarianism and fascism.”
Part of the problem with your description, is that you are confusing totalitarianism and fascism. One could be a totalitarian, and not a fascist (some would argue, with merit, that Pinochet, the Peronists, and other Latin American dictators were totalitarians, but not fascists).
Fascism is a conception of the society, where the state is seen as a living, organic entity, whose survival supercedes the needs of its individual members. As you have correctly noted, the Leninst interpretation of class struggle provides a very nice, self-serving justification for those who wish to implement that form of government. As you have incorrectly noted, Hitler was not a leftist.
Hitler used extensive left-wing jargon, appeals to the suffering working class, etc., but they were all completely self-serving. His purpose was to create a hierarchical, racially ordered society, enforced by violence and terror. There could not be anything less left-wing than that.
You can jump up and down and say Hitler was a leftist, but all you are doing is making yourself look silly.
“Emotional manipulation is instilling fear and hate without cause.”
As I was saying, the constant reminders of 9/11, juxtaposed with Saddam Hussein. A perfect example.
My final paragraph was a legitimate question. Do you believe we are going to live in Sharia law? Do you believe that Muslims are taking over? If not, then what are we fighting for?
Yeah Phantom…schools out, y’know 🙂
“I see loathsome is back. Eew.”
On that wonderful website, Sadly, No, I saw a video of a young College Republican explaining that he didn’t have to fight terrorists in Iraq because he was fighting liberals at home.
So, how is your struggle going, Phantom? Did the 101st Fighting Keyboardists promote you to 2nd Alt-Shift Lieutenant yet?
I’m sure blogging is wonderful therapy for you. You get to project all your angery and frustration at your own personal failings onto Muslims, Liberals, NDPers, gay-rights activists, al-Qaeda, at no-expense to yourself, and you get an audience too.
You get to be your own personal George Orwell, raging against the machine of the MSM. And because you can never possibly win, you’ll always be struggling, your life will always have purpose and meaning.
Man, if I ever end up depressed in life, I’m not going to go to a psychiatrist: I’m going to blog about all the muslims loving MSMers that are out to ruin Canada.
“Yeah Phantom…schools out, y’know :)”
What makes you so certain that I am in school? Just because I’m a leftist, I’m in University, or high-school?
What if I implied that everyone who posted here was a sexually frustrated, middle-aged, white guy with repressed homosexual desires? I’m sure there’s plenty of conservatives to which that above statement applies (well, one less in the US Senate), but I couldn’t make such a statement, since I don’t know any of you.