“Clearly, the wrong horses have been backed.”
For many years now, human-caused climate change has been viewed as a large and urgent problem. In truth, however, the biggest part of the problem is neither environmental nor scientific, but a self-created political fiasco. Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).
Yes, you did read that right. And also, yes, this eight-year period of temperature stasis did coincide with society’s continued power station and SUV-inspired pumping of yet more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.
In response to these facts, a global warming devotee will chuckle and say “how silly to judge climate change over such a short period”. Yet in the next breath, the same person will assure you that the 28-year-long period of warming which occurred between 1970 and 1998 constitutes a dangerous (and man-made) warming. Tosh. Our devotee will also pass by the curious additional facts that a period of similar warming occurred between 1918 and 1940, well prior to the greatest phase of world industrialisation, and that cooling occurred between 1940 and 1965, at precisely the time that human emissions were increasing at their greatest rate.
Climate denier, Prof Bob Carter “is a geologist at James Cook University, Queensland, engaged in paleoclimate research.”
I had a discussion about this recently. The word lag was uttered though no mechinism for the lag was presented. When I pointed out that in 1992, the decrease in temp was easily attributed to a volcanic eruption, I asked what is causing the current warming to be curbed. I was told simply that the climate is complex. Good times. Good times. — John M Reynolds
What the hell do the damn geologists know about anything. They are a breed that can hardly dress themselves in the morning anytime prior to the third cup of coffee. ;^)
Before Al Gore, there was Danny and the Juniors:
Climate change is here to stay – it will never die
It was meant to be that way – though I don’t know why
I don’t care what people say – climate change is here to stay
(We don’t care what people say – climate change is here to stay)
“What the hell do the damn geologists know about anything”
probably a lot more than than failed politicians and fruit fly scientists.
David S. and algore seem to have disappeared from the tv screen since the great earth day concert. Except for those commercials of ds, that nobody watches. These fear mongers will be looked at, in 30 years with the same disdain that Paul Erlich, Rachel Carson and others are today. Remember Famine, Population Explosion and Silent Spring. How many deaths did those people cause by their predictions. Will the volcano that erupted yesterday have any effect on what is in our air.
What is worse, the fear being spread by the algores, or the fear being spread re the war on terror.
Oh, I watch them. The refrigerator one annoyed me. Sure you might save enough money by getting rid of the basement fridge to buy more beer but it would be warm beer. A friend pointed out, however, that if you simply stopped buying groceries there would be a lot more space in the kitchen fridge. Problem solved.
I’m a geologist, YOOP, and I can assure you that we geologists know more about this planet’s climate past and present than you ever will! This planet’s climate has been a lot warmer and a lot cooler at various times in the past, than it is today and all without any input by humans over the last 3 million years. One would think that after the massive quake and tsunami in the Indian Ocean in 2004, that people would have a little more respect of what this planet’s processses can do to really screw things up for us surface dwellers. Tough to deal with by people like you because those processess can’t be controlled by mankind, including our climate. Get an education before you spout off on subjects you aren’t qualified to comment on.
jt, as I recall, Yoop is a geologist himself and was saying that tongue-in-cheek. Notice the “winky face” at the end of his post?
“Bladder-trembling:” now that’s one I’m going to save and use. But more seriously, global warming, like Y2K, was a narrative perfectly constructed for the media’s needs: a Chicken Little hand wringing plot scenario with a lot of hectoring man-is-the-root-of-all-evil moralizing. It could have been a Bruce Willis movie, and I often had the suspicion that what the media were really thinking about was not the science (or lack thereof) in front of them, but the special effects that were due to show up in the last hour of the movie. Casting RoboGore as the Prophet of Doom was a spectacularly bad move, but of course you can’t get good actors to do junk like this. But the media appear to be moving on now: in the past month or so I’ve seen several news stories about weather disasters in which the reporters have not thrown in the easy expected bit about “climate change,” and I suspect that global warming is about to follow El Nino into the media’s cavernously large archive of Jumped Conclusions. More will follow, of course.
AL GORE, DAVID SUZUKI,JAMES LOVELOCK eco-freak wackos and all around nut cases they all should be sent to the planet ALFA 177 where they can enjoy a balmie night time tempeture of 120 degrees below zero
It is a shame that our ‘new’ federal government has decided to ride the CO2 golbal warming horse just when it is starting to slow down. Rational words are finaly being spoken about the great gravy train that has made big Al Gore and Dave S so wealthy.
This, from Kate’s post, says it all;
[Since the early 1990s, the columns of many leading newspapers and magazines, worldwide, have carried an increasing stream of alarmist letters and articles on hypothetical, human-caused climate change. Each such alarmist article is larded with words such as “if”, “might”, “could”, “probably”, “perhaps”, “expected”, “projected” or “modelled” – and many involve such deep dreaming, or ignorance of scientific facts and principles, that they are akin to nonsense.]
Exhibit A for a mother-of-all-lawsuits ??
Ken,
I can’t say for certain but I believe “Canada’s New Government” is saying what people want to hear for now and trying to buy time.
Harper doesn’t buy the kultist BS but does have to deal with public opinion (working for the public as he does…)
When the public wakes up to the fact that they’ve been had by the MSM, Ecofrauds and campus eggheads they will unleash their wrath on them (as well as Stephie “Kaptian Kyoto” Dion himself.)
I have said for awhile that the full throated climate change cry cannot be sustained unless there is some event.
The heatwave in the west will and is being used, but the second rather pleasant summer in a row in the east makes it difficult to universally claim.
I heard an eviro lobbyist on the radio last night talking about a recent poll. Of course he pulled out the example of this years warm winter….well 2 things, it was a great lakes and east phenomena, west of the lakes it was very ccccold.
Secondly, it was el nino.
Third that changed dramatically when the el nino broke.
They are charlatans pushing an agenda. I am a marketer and I know when I am being “sold” something. We are being “sold”. Problem is the product may be running past its obselesence date.
AT least until there is a heat wave, hurricane or some other natural occurence that they can point to.
Watch for reports on the low level of lake Superior to be tied to it, maybe some comaprison of 2006 to 2007 ice levels at the north pole.
I seem to remeber they were predicting an incredibly warm summer in Europe…..ooops got that wrong for everything north of 45 degrees lat.
Until they can make conistent predictions it all needs to be ignored.
Smog….well thats another story altogether.
The fecal matter Tsunami of political manipulation and profiteering that followed the deficient science of man-made GW, has washed over the public…leaving us saturated with it’s obvious foulness but increasingly aware of the source of the stench.
Most thinking people are now aware that any ideology/orthodoxy that required the waves of BS (which MMGW has used to convince the public to render up their wealth and sovereignty to a elite group of oily profiteering messiahs), is probably devoid of credible substance.
MMGW is a spent political force….HOWEVER; in some unenlightened backwaters where thinking is an unpopular publicly denounced endevor, like in Ontario, you get mixed messages…recently the environmental orgs that profiteer from the MMGW BS commissioned a poll by environics which naturally told its clients what they wanted to hear….that “the environment” (the new code word for MMGW) is the number one political issue on the minds of Ontario voters.
Now, with nose diving incomes, double digit civil service expansion, crushing tax increases, the bankruptcy of the city of TO, bleading 3800 good industrial jobs a month to China, a broken “user fee” public health system, six nations terrorist extortion and GTA Gang wars….It seems that only a very brain washed mind would hold the “environment” as the number one voting issue.
Then again Ontario is the center of the global village disinformation industry….for the rest of us in Real Canada and the US who survived the fecal tsunami of global warming with our objective reasoning, we breathlessly await to be “polled” on the matter. 😉
Don’t mistake the rest of Ontario with the Toronto and area.
If it is ever proven that MMGW is the hoax many of us are convinced it is,I will be watching closely to see how Harper backpeddles from his abandonment of us skeptics.
As per the left and Dion….I expect they will NEVER admit they were wrong.Not that the press would ever dwell on their utter stupidity/complicity in regards to this scam….
Now isn’t that an interesting little story about global temperatures.
Gee, I wonder what other interesting stuff about climate we can learn from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia’s web site, where the source of this story is supposed to be from? Let’s look shall we?
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
Oh wait, this doesn’t match the story at all! This contradicts the story, right on their home page. Oh well, you can’t believe everything you read in the right-wing blogs masquerading as actual news sources.
I wonder what else the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia say about global warming?
Let’s look shall we?
Unfortunately, humanity, through energy generation, changing land use and other processes, has produced a substantial increase in the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, enhancing the natural greenhouse effect, and it is feared that this continuing change will lead to a major shift in global climate.
In case you missed it on the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia web site, they provide this link.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/myths/index.html
albatros39a,
Thanks for showing that the Climate Research Unit does indeed confirm Carter’s statement:
“Consider the simple fact, drawn from the official temperature records of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, that for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase (there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero).”
CRU’s graph indeed does show temperature leveling off around 1998 and 2006 was down slightly from the previous years.
Not really the contradiction of Carter’s reference though…oh well luck next time.
“for the years 1998-2005 global average temperature did not increase”
“(there was actually a slight decrease, though not at a rate that differs significantly from zero)”
You’d best take a closer look at that chart.
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/gtc2006.pdf
Calgary just experienced the warmest july since 1960. Now if that isn’t proof that global warming is real then nothing will convince you. Except maybe for the fact that it was warmer 50 years ago. OOPS.
Alby39,
You’re looking at the wrong chart. “Global Average Temperature”, not “Global Air Temperature”
Try this one:
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/nhshgl.pdf
Strand AL GORE and DAVID SUZIKI on the same lifeboat together in the middle of ANTARTICA where its acuialy getting colder
“I’m a geologist, YOOP, and I can assure you that we geologists know more about this planet’s climate past and present than you ever will!”
“Tough to deal with by people like you because those processess can’t be controlled by mankind, including our climate. Get an education before you spout off on subjects you aren’t qualified to comment on.”
Posted by: jt at August 1, 2007 9:33 AM
See what happens when one goes fishing so early in the morning, but doesn’t really expect to catch anything.
I didn’t actually anticipate a bite.
(JT: FYI, I’m old, so I get to spout off. Also, 48 years continous employment as, gasp, a field geologist. “People like” me have worn out more field boots, and broken more rocks, than the newer generation will ever see. ;-))
“I’m a geologist, YOOP, and I can assure you that we geologists know more about this planet’s climate past and present than you ever will!”
“Tough to deal with by people like you because those processess can’t be controlled by mankind, including our climate. Get an education before you spout off on subjects you aren’t qualified to comment on.”
Posted by: jt at August 1, 2007 9:33 AM
See what happens when one goes fishing so early in the morning, but doesn’t really expect to catch anything.
I didn’t actually anticipate a bite.
(JT: FYI, I’m old, so I get to spout off. Also, 48 years continous employment as, gasp, a field geologist. “People like” me have worn out more field boots, and broken more rocks, than the newer generation will ever see. ;-))
“jt, as I recall, Yoop is a geologist himself and was saying that tongue-in-cheek. Notice the “winky face” at the end of his post?”
Posted by: Eeyore at August 1, 2007 9:38 AM
Eeyore,
I tried that gig as a piano player in a whorehouse last month, but I’ve gotten too old to reach the *low* notes… 😉
Sean look at the raw data sets particularly, the HadCRUT3. It’ll be interesting to see what the global temp charts look like after this summer. Globally and locally here in North America, 2007 is shaping up to be a record breaker.
I’d often wondered if Algor has been helped or hindered by the similar-sounding name.
That was silly of me because Algor is shorthand for some sort of mathematical concept (although I suppose an Al Gore-rhythm could be used to bamboozle unsuspecting listeners if the song went on long enough, eh).
Unfortunately, Algor’s products are based on the finite element method, and that seems to be directly related to real-world, predictable physics.
They could probably make a real killing in the climate change 3D modelling software market if they’d just tweak some settings or allow for random, silly variables based on suspect field collection data to be entered into the program.
Which leads me to this question: who makes the software that climate modellers use? That never seems to be mentioned when an “expert” explains how the results were achieved. I work with 3D software every day and it’s the same old garbage in, garbage out scenario. Many operators are happy just pushing the buttons and accepting the output at face value because asking questions often results in endless, fruitless queries to non-responsive “system administrators”.