I told you we should have kept burning down rain forests.
Also, thanks to commenter Bill D. Cat, this debate transcript (PDF) from Intelligence Squared U.S. – “Global warming is not a crisis”.
I told you we should have kept burning down rain forests.
Also, thanks to commenter Bill D. Cat, this debate transcript (PDF) from Intelligence Squared U.S. – “Global warming is not a crisis”.
Back in a second , gotta go light the SUV on fire ….. of course after letting it idle for , you know , a day or three .
Kate, you’re simply awful. đ
Remember “acid rain”? Sulfur dioxide? I’m not for a second suggesting that we should not have reduced it. But that yellowy haze over places like Cleveland and oh say the LA basin definately cooled those places. Interesting to see that the Asian Pacific areas are affecting weather(not climate) as their “smog” drifts out over the ocean.
Ronnie Raygun claimed that trees cause pollution, (which he read in a Reader’s Digest Magazine). Remember his Minister of the Environment, Earl Butz: “If you’ve seen one tree, you’ve seen them all.”
Keep in mind that the gang behind Gore is only one side of things. They are loud, though.
youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU
Now you know the, *Rest of the story *. = TG
And this is where we are headed. . .
cobasys.com/home/home.htm
= TG
This is now proof positive. Around every silver lining is a big black cloud.
I grew up in the 60s afraid of the getting nuked.
In the 70s afraid of world economic collapse.
In the 80s with global cooling
In the 90s with an asteroid about to hit.
overhyped with Y2K by the MSM
and now global warming. so 5 down , 5 wrong one to go.
Gulp ,
Thanks . It does make for a good read , keep an eye on the stats pre and post debate . One can only hope calmer heads prevail …..oh , and the burning the SUV blast , I’d never be so irresponsible …. I’d burn the neighbors , I’ve gotta work tomorrow .
EARTH FIRST !!
We’ll log the other planets later
http://tinyurl.com/24h5l7
Liberals Abandon A Sinking Ship
By the time of the 1993 federal election, the Progressive Conservative Party had melted down. Despite the short lived boost in the polls that Kim Campbell had given the party, it was clear it was headed for an historic defeat. The clearest indication of the coming defeat was the mass of PC MPs who were leaving politics or even the PC party itself.
In the 5 years from the 1988 to the 1993 election, 70 out 169 MPs, 41% were no longer standing for re-election for the PC Party. Despite the brave words during the campaign, those who knew best had found better things to do than try for re-election as Tories. They took patronage appointments, they joined other parties, they retired from politics and took jobs in the private sector or simply to spend more time with their families.
The historic number of âretirementsâ foreshadowed an historic defeat. It was unique in Canadian history and we would never see it again. Or so we thought.
Undetected by the Ottawa Press Gallery, without comment from political pundits, beneath the noses of the Canadian public, there has been an historic number of Liberal âretirementsâ. In the last 5 years, 75 out of 172 Liberal MPs, 44% have left or have announced that they will leave their jobs as Liberal MPs. This does not count all the Liberal MPs who have lost their seats in the 2004 and 2006 elections. In the last 5 years, 75 Liberal MPs have âtaken patronage appointments, joined other parties, retired from politics and took jobs in the private sector or simply to spend more time with their families.â
Remember dinosaurs, mastadons, sabre tooth tigers in Canada!! The globe will warm again, and again and again long after were gone.
Well la-de-dah. Them smrt fellers at NASA spent a gazillion dollars and came up with this???
“When more sunlight can get through the atmosphere and warm Earth’s surface, you’re going to have an effect on climate and temperature,”
I cuold have told them that frum my observations on my front porch. When I sit out in the sun, I git hot. When I sit out in the shade or at night I git cold.
But hold on. I thot all that arthropodic global warming stuff was from the sun hittin all them little CO2 molecules dancin around in the breeze. Yuh know all 350 ppm of them.
Or am I jest stupid.
I always thought we were either supposed to run out of oil by now or be dead from AIDS?
I am happy to hear about NASA’s Glory Mission in 2008
From the NASA article at earth observatory
âThe thinning of Earthâs âsunscreenâ of aerosols since the early 1990s could have given an extra push to the rise in global surface temperatures.â
Aerosols are the least understood of theâ known unknownsâ and were descibed as having a significant cooling effect on the planetâs temperature in the IPCC summary. A large portion of human produced aerosols result from the burning of fossil fuels and other industrial activities.
One problem with cutting industrial emissions too quickly is that it may result in a short-term increase in global warming. Short term because the aerosols come out of the atmosphere very rapidly compared to the greenhouse gases like CO2. If deep cuts to industrial emissions result in an increase in global temperatures there will an outcry to cut even more emissions as the global temperature rises despite our apparent best efforts. Whether man-made greenhouse gases are or are not a significant contributor to global warming doesnât seem to matter in the short term in this scenario.
It is important to get some global data on aerosols.
The GISS findings that “global aerosols had dropped as much as 20 percent from the relatively stable level between 1986 and 1991â. Makes me wonder what industrialized countries had a significant reduction of output around that time.
We donât have to burn rainforests, China is ramping up to take care of our aerosol production needs for now.
Kate
Thanks for the link to the debate transcript.
Gavin Schmidt of GISS is one of the participants.
Yeah and a whole bunch of show biz types will hold another one of those rediclous SAVE THE RAINFORESTS campaigns and with such as GREENPEACE,SAINFORSTS ACTION NETWORK,RAINFOREST ALLIANCE,WORLD WILDLIFE FUND and others will hold more concerts and cheat those people out their money tellings them RAINFOREST TEN ACRES A MINUTE,RAINFORESTS THE LUNGS OF THE EARTH, and other bits of malarkey. LOOK OUT GREEN LIARS THE RESPLENDENT QUETZALS ARE DEVELOPING A TASTE FOR WACKOS AAHHH ATTACK OF THE KILLER QUETZALS
For another great link try the Belmont Club; on post normal science. Here’s a YouTube clip from a Harvard astrosphysicist on the subject of “precautionary principle” as applied to weather engineering and the punishment its critics faced half a millenium ago. She has another word from the “post-normal” method of thinking: superstition.
http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-normal-science-as-proof-for-global.html
If Maggie Muggins were to comment here it would be something like this.
Tra la la la la lalorrow
I can’t wait to hear another hypothesis tomorrow.
Jimbola
Thanks for the link.
The debate that Kate points to would be a worthwhile read and so would this as background information.
http://bostonreview.net/BR32.1/emanuel.html
I think it is important to try to understand the issues in the scientific debate pro or con without reference to implied consequences. This should be a rational exercise instead of the thing it has become. The science behind the story is as interesting to me as the politics is for others.
Davie, Davie. Trees do emit hydrocarbons in measureable quantities. Look it up.
There’s a well documented case of a U.S. company applying for permits to build a plant in a grove of southern pines being required, by the Environmental Protection Agency, to clearcut 30 acres to offset the anticipated emissions from its operation. (This is the same theory of environmental management behind currently touted trading of rights to CO2 emissions).
Ain’t bureaucracy grand?
Davie:
Earl Butz was the Secretary of the Interior.
He resigned after making a comment to reporters about his attitude regarding African-Americans.
He is correct regarding the trees, though.He was not an Arborist, so to him all trees looked the same.
Still no mention of the effect the constant microwave stimulation of water vapor in the atmosphere from news agency communications nattering over global warming has done. đ
Two wrongs don’t make a right, Kate. More likely they’ll make a liberal, or a socialist.
The link to the debate was interesting. I thought the speakers addressed several points that have often been left in the background; first, the very negative impact on the developing world’s people of restricting use of the most efficient and inexpensive forms of energy production, often carbon fuels, second the fact that the audience was swayed to the affirmative despite the fact that the affirmative side was given the onerous task of proving a negative i.e. that “global warming is not a crisis” — a very unfair framing of the resolution in the first place. I think (hope) it demonstrates that given the real goods on the human produced CO2 global warming issue most rational human beings will recognize it for the nonsense that it is and the only adherents will be the lefty nutjobs. Being religious fanatics to begin with, nothing will sway them.